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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #211

 1. Re: High density plastic glides
    by "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
 2. Re: Learning AutoCAD
    by "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
 3. Re: CAD Programs
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 4. Re: CAD Programs
    by "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
 5. Re: CAD Programs
    by "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
 6. Lighting Graphics
    by "Moore, Martin W." <MOOREM4 [at] rpi.edu>
 7. Re: References
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 8. Re: Low Plats
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 9. Re: Cadd Drawing
    by "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
10. Re: Cadd Drawing
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
11. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
12. Re: Thanksgiving Baby
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
13. Re: Lighting Graphics
    by Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
14. Personnel Lifts
    by "Immel,Patrick" <PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
15. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
16. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
17. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
18. Re: Learning AutoCAD
    by "F. Randy deCelle" <drandolp [at] uiuc.edu>
19. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
20. Re: Lighting Graphics
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
21. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
22. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
23. Re: Cadd Drawing
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
24. Roadboxes
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
25. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
26. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
27. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
28. Re: New Thread?
    by "Elliott Family" <elliott [at] peak.org>
29. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
30. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Immel,Patrick" <PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
31. Re: Roadboxes
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
32. RT60 (was: Re: Acoustics - a chance for the sound guys to show  off!)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
33. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
34. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
35. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
36. Re: audrey 2
    by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
37. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
38. Re: Lighting Graphics
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
39. Steel strength sites?
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
40. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
41. Re: Roadboxes
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
42. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
43. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
44. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
45. Re: Roadboxes
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
46. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
47. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
48. Re: Rope lights
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
49. Re: Roadboxes
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
50. Re: Roadboxes
    by Jeff Grams <jdgrams [at] saintmarys.edu>
51. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
52. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
53. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
54. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
55. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
56. Afghan theatre
    by "Gina&Joe" <sonoratheatrewrx [at] theriver.com>
57. Re: Personnel Lifts
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
58. Re: High density plastic glides
    by James Feinberg <feinberg [at] sandiego.edu>
59. Re: Afghan theatre
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
60. Re: Steel strength sites?
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
61. Re: Steel strength sites?
    by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
62. Re: Steel strength sites?
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
63. Re: High density plastic glides
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
64. Re: Steel strength sites?
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
65. sound que software
    by "Adam Berns" <ab [at] adamb.com>
66. Re: sound que software
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
67. Re: Cell Phones on Tour
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
68. Drury Lane
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
69. Re: Steel strength sites?
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
70. Re: sound que software
    by "jeff" <jeff.mabray [at] comcast.net>
71. Re: sound que software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
72. Re: Drury Lane
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>

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Subject: RE: High density plastic glides
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:28:00 -0500
Message-ID: <DEF9C5FC613BEC46BB08F973317F22A7E946F2 [at] email.ncarts.edu>
From: "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>

Pat,

The thickness of the glide generally is only important in regards to the =
attachment of the glide, possibly counter-sunk screws, as has been =
pointed out.  Rounding over or chamfering the edges of the glide is a =
good idea, too.

However, the amount of contact surface area is what will ultimately =
determine the sliding resistance of the glides, so minimize the surface =
area of the glides as much as possible and also use as few glides on =
your wagons as is possible.  UHMW is a low-friction plastic, and not =
surprisingly, "low-friction" means just that --  Not "NO-friction"!


DGB

Dennis Gill Booth
Technical Faculty & Assistant Dean for Operations
=A0 North Carolina School of the Arts=20
=A0 School of Design and Production=20
=A0 1553 South Main Street=20
=A0 PO Box 12189=20
=A0 Winston-Salem, NC=A0=A0 27117-2189=20
* Voice:=A0 (336)770-3232 x105=20
* FAX:=A0=A0 (336)770-3213=20
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* D&P URL: http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/=20
* Faculty=A0URL: http://faculty.ncarts.edu/dandp/booth/


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Immel,Patrick
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 9:07 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: High density plastic glides

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I need to create a couple of low profile wagons for a production.  I am
wondering if anybody has ever used the high density plastic glides.  I =
am
not sure of of the acronym for this product or its name!  If anybody has
used this before or at least remembers its name, I would appreciate the
help.

Thanks in advance,

Pat Immel
Northwest Missouri State University

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Subject: RE: Learning AutoCAD
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:37:21 -0500
Message-ID: <DEF9C5FC613BEC46BB08F973317F22A7E946F3 [at] email.ncarts.edu>
From: "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
Cc: mgoebel [at] gmail.com (Mat Goebel)

Mat,

We've been using "AutoCAD 20XX (XX=3Dinsert version) Instructor" a =
series of texts by James Leach for about 10 years now.  ISBN =
#0-07-286854-6

I like the text because it has a "self-guided" approach.  Leach also =
emphasizes both keyboard and mouse commands retro to the earliest =
versions, which helps when students get out into the job market and need =
to work with earlier versions of AutoCAD.  Leach includes good comments =
about drafting layout and conventions, so it's not strictly a book about =
programming and operation, but also about drafting quality and =
communication.

DGB

Dennis Gill Booth
Technical Faculty & Assistant Dean for Operations
=A0 North Carolina School of the Arts=20
=A0 School of Design and Production=20
=A0 1553 South Main Street=20
=A0 PO Box 12189=20
=A0 Winston-Salem, NC=A0=A0 27117-2189=20
* Voice:=A0 (336)770-3232 x105=20
* FAX:=A0=A0 (336)770-3213=20
* Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu=20
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Goebel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:04 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Learning AutoCAD

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Are there any book out there that you reccomend for learning?

Right now I'm looking at:
Mastering AutoCAD 2005 and AutoCAD LT 2005
AutoCAD 2005 and AutoCAD LT 2005: No Experience Required
AutoCAD 2005 For Dummies

quick replies appreciated for subsequent addition to my christmas list  =
=3D)
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:40:08 -0500
Subject: Re: CAD Programs
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD090E8.240E%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6141277 [at] prxy.net>

Speaking of LD Asst, did the crazy bug of having to drag
the cursor away from the upper left hand corner of the
screen at start up ever get fixed.  It was maddening to
have it freeze up if you started up the app and walked
over to talk to another student?

Steve



> Yeah, Rufus, come on! I mean, if you're going to try to pull one over
> and basically spam the list pretending to be an end user, at least use
> an e-mail domain OTHER than LDASSISTANT.COM. We're not stupid. Well,
> most of us...



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Reply-To: <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
From: "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
Subject: RE: CAD Programs
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:47:20 -0600
Message-ID: <003d01c4d619$f284c350$6400a8c0 [at] PC123093183111>
In-Reply-To: <list-6141277 [at] prxy.net>

Hi Andy,

Please except my apologies, it was not my intend to mislead or to spam
anyone.

Best Regards

Rufus Warren


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Andy
Leviss
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:21 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: CAD Programs


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Pat Immel, in reply to Rufus Warren, wrote:
> >Take a look at LD Assistant at www.ldassistant.com
> >I use it and like it. The program has more features that
> Vector Works or
> >WYSIWYG and I think it is easier to use.
> 
> "I use it and like it"?  Just say you make it and sell it! jeeesh!

Yeah, Rufus, come on! I mean, if you're going to try to pull one over
and basically spam the list pretending to be an end user, at least use
an e-mail domain OTHER than LDASSISTANT.COM. We're not stupid. Well,
most of us...

--Andy

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Reply-To: <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
From: "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
Subject: RE: CAD Programs
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:01:24 -0600
Message-ID: <003e01c4d61b$e9b634f0$6400a8c0 [at] PC123093183111>
In-Reply-To: <list-6209730 [at] prxy.net>

Hello Steve,

I am not sure what version of LD Assistant you are speaking of.

I know their was a problem with an early version of Vector works that LD
Assistant plug-into, 
and you would have to drag the cursor away from the upper left hand
corner of the screen at start up it from crashing. The guys at Vector
works did fixed that problem.

But that was 6 or 7 years ago if I best remember, now we have or own CAD
program built with AutoCAD2004 at the core.

Best Regards

Rufus Warren


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Larson
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:40 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: CAD Programs


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Speaking of LD Asst, did the crazy bug of having to drag
the cursor away from the upper left hand corner of the
screen at start up ever get fixed.  It was maddening to
have it freeze up if you started up the app and walked
over to talk to another student?

Steve



> Yeah, Rufus, come on! I mean, if you're going to try to pull one over 
> and basically spam the list pretending to be an end user, at least use

> an e-mail domain OTHER than LDASSISTANT.COM. We're not stupid. Well, 
> most of us...



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Subject: Lighting Graphics
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:02:27 -0500
Message-ID: <EA12B6E490A190419B131EE44E7A881710E24D [at] vcc-ex1.win.rpi.edu>
From: "Moore, Martin W." <MOOREM4 [at] rpi.edu>


Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper
drafting, now it's all computer drafting.

It's like insisting on doing arithmetic without a calculator -- verging
on the Luddite



Martin


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Hefter
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 9:13 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Standards & RPs in Public Review


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Reminder:
The Public Review period for USITT's "RP-2: Recommended Practice for=20
Theatrical Lighting Design Graphics" closes Tuesday, November 30, 5:00
pm=20
Eastern Standard Time.

Info at: http://www.usitt.org/standards/UsittRP-2.html

ESTA Technical Standards Program Activity, includes the following draft=20
standards in Public Review until December 7, 2004:
-BSR E1.20 -- Remote Device Management over USITT DMX512
-BSR E1.23 -- Design and Execution of Theatrical Fog Effects -BSR
E1.27-1 -- Portable Control Cables for Use with USITT DMX512/1990 and=20
E1.11 (DMX512-A) Products

Info at: http://www.esta.org/tsp/


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Subject: RE: References
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:07:46 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD89 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Jumping in a bit late on this since I was doing the holiday thing with
the family last week...

> I could see including references on the resume itself
> if your credits were very few, and you need to fill
> out the page. I agree with Herrick, that including
> names of people you've worked with as well as places
> that you have worked in the resume is important. It
> gives you "built in" references, and can be an
> important link, if the person scanning resumes
> recognizes a name or a place that they are familiar
> with.

IMHO, while I understand the logic behind listing people you've worked
with (i.e., directors of individual shows), part of the problem is that
for young'uns (those who will most likely be listing individual show
credits on a resume) those names will get repeated over and over because
of the lack of breadth of experience they'd have.  It's mildly annoying
to see 16 individual shows with individual job titles in the first two
columns and see "Whatsamatta U." 16 times in column 3; it only serves to
highlight the fact that s/he has only worked extensively in one place.
The situation is exacerbated when column 4 contains 11 references to
"dir. Ignatz Pollyotch" and 5 for "des. Charlie Schnu-Schnu".

If you're going to include names, I'd recommend instead being rather
selective about it, and only including names of (for example) guest
directors/designers and so forth who are more likely to have a wider
network in the first place...

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Message-ID: <41AB2D79.20609 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:08:57 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Low Plats
References: <list-6012504 [at] prxy.net>

Patrick
There is a good description of such a method as designed by Jon 
Lagerquist at South Coast Rep in the USITT Tech Expo 2001 book entitled 
"Another Low Pallet and Caster System".  Let me know if you need this 
faxed to you.
Steve

Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com wrote:
>> 
> Patrick:
> 
> I see a lot of  touring shows using very low profile wagons with push &
> pull sticks [snipped]


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Reply-To: <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
From: "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
Subject: RE: Cadd Drawing
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:24:15 -0600
Message-ID: <004301c4d61f$1b3561b0$6400a8c0 [at] PC123093183111>
In-Reply-To: <list-6075948 [at] prxy.net>

Mark,

A dear friend forwarded an email to me from the list that was asking
about CAD programs.

I wanted to let the person know their was a program out their that had
AutoCAD at the core and did not cost $3,700.00.

LD Assistant is a great program and offers more than any other program
out their, 
and for that I am very proud.

Best Regards

Rufus Warren





-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mark
O'Brien
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:09 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Cadd Drawing


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On Nov 28, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Immel,Patrick wrote:


    For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
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    <excerpt>From: Rufus

    Sent: 11/28/2004 1:02 PM

    Subject: Re: CAD Programs


    Take a look at LD Assistant at www.ldassistant.com

    I use it and like it. The program has more features that Vector
Works
    or

    WYSIWYG and I think it is easier to use.



"I use it and like it"?  Just say you make it and sell it! jeeesh!



Pat Immel

Lighting and Scenic Designer

Northwest Missouri State University

</excerpt>


>From the website...


"LD Assistant 04 and
AutoCAD LD Assistant 04 users can now, for the first time ever, control
their lighting systems and easily create advanced lighting plots,
high-end photo-realistic images and animations with professional
lighting effects," says Rufus Warren, President of Design & Drafting.
With an AutoCAD-native interface, users can leverage their knowledge of
AutoCAD and be productive from the start.



With that said, I would hope that he uses it, and likes it.   ;-)


This kind of reminds me of the junk mail that one receives with a post
it note "attached" to it.  The post it usually says something like "Hey
Mark, I saw this, take a look"


As for the software, if it works as it says it should, there might even
be a plug in to bring doughnuts, and make coffee.  I currently use
Visual Cadd, and Bobcad/Cam, however,  I have purchased a seat of
Vector-works Spotlight, and will be learning that.  The reason for this,
is to be compatible with the software that my colleagues are using.
Because of cost, the Cad/Cam programs will remain in DOS for
the time being.   I am spiffing up a P 233 for the shop to replace the
486-33. When I ran out of hard drive on that machine, I discovered that
my keychain had more HD space.  It is kind of fun, I often forget what a
joy DOS is for certain applications.







Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ

520/621-7025

520/591-1803 Mobile



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Message-ID: <000301c4d620$2b902120$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-6216971 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Cadd Drawing
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:31:52 -0800

> A dear friend forwarded an email to me from the list that was asking
> about CAD programs.
>
> I wanted to let the person know their was a program out their that had
> AutoCAD at the core and did not cost $3,700.00.
>
> LD Assistant is a great program and offers more than any other program
> out their,
> and for that I am very proud.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Rufus Warren


Let's all take a breath...  I don't think Rufus was 'spamming.'  Sure, it 
might have been a good idea to end his original post with something like, 
"BTW, my company puts out this software, and if you have any questions, 
please don't hesitate to contact me," but I don't think he was anywhere near 
the spam level we've seen from some past posts regarding products.  Rufus 
didn't cut and paste an entire product pitch and brochure, just a little 
information.

Let's save our indignation for the super spammers.  And for Frank.   :)

   -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm 


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Message-ID: <20041129144947.30658.qmail [at] web52010.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:49:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell <jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats
In-Reply-To: <list-6070148 [at] prxy.net>

Just as every student has a different learning style,
members of an audience have different approaches to
enjoying a performance.  I am the President of the
Board of a community orchestra here, and am constantly
trying to come up with a way to make the stage
visually appealing.  Unfortunately, it's a frightfully
ugly space, we have no budget at all and no time to do
anything.  I can't do anything involving fabric
because it will muffle the sound.  Even setting up the
shell is out, because it takes several people several
hours and the college that hosts us will no longer do
it for free.

It's a constant debate, but I figure that if *I* am
bored watching the conductor's back, so are a lot of
other people.  (BTW, he's also my husband.)  What
we've been using recently is colored lights projected
on a screen at the back of the stage.  It doesn't add
that much visually, but at least the screen covers the
ugliest part of the back wall.

I think more people would like more visual imput, but
the ones who don't are so much louder about it that
the debate is confused.  And your average conductor
(or musician) finds watching other conductors (or
musicians) so fascinating that he/she can't comprehend
other people not feeling that way!

            Jacki


--- John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com> wrote:

> >Frank Wood wrote:
> >Emphatically, no! I, at least, go to concerts to
> listen to the music, rather
> >than to watch the conductor or the soloists.
> 
> Oh, some of the members of the orchestra can be
> highly amusing at times.  


		
__________________________________ 
Do you Yahoo!? 
The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do?
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Message-ID: <41AB3D18.8030705 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:15:36 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Baby
References: <list-5553305 [at] prxy.net>

Sam and Kacey
Best wishes to you both!! Now you're gonna be busy for sure.
Best,
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia

Sam Fisher wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> David Thomas Fisher
> Born
> 11/25/04 at 9:34am, 7 pounds, 19.75"
> 
> Mom, Dad, and brother very happy.
> 
> Sam Fisher
> VP - Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
> 



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Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20041130022819.038eb318 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:34:44 +1100
From: Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics
In-Reply-To: <list-6213174 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:02 30.11.2004, Martin Moore wrote:
>Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper
>drafting, now it's all computer drafting.

Don't you use standard graphic symbols and layout standards in your CAD 
drafting?

I've been using CAD for my lighting plans for around 18 years, and I 
welcome the existence of standards for graphical communication that I can 
employ in my drawings.

Andy



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Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE390237E340C [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
From: "Immel,Patrick" <PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
Subject: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:39:56 -0600

Hello All,

We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new personnel lift.  We
currently have a "Genie" but are not married to any manufacturer.  Wish list
includes:

No outriggers needed
No higher working height than 30 feet
Get through doors
Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do
Am I forgetting anything?


Suggestions?  Personal faves?!

Thanks in Advance,

Patrick Immel
Northwest Missouri State University

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Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:45:15 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD8A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new=20
> personnel lift.  We currently have a "Genie" but are not=20
> married to any manufacturer.  Wish list
> includes:
>=20
> No outriggers needed
> No higher working height than 30 feet
> Get through doors
> Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
> Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do
> Am I forgetting anything?

Do you NEED to get to 30 feet?

If not, and you can get by with a 20' model, I'd wholeheartedly
recommend the Genie IWP20.  Outriggerless, fits through a standard
doorway, available in both AC and DC, and best yet, you can get an
option that allows you to extend the basket out from the mast 26".
Great for getting and working above hanging scenery.  When I bought one
for my previous employer, it came in at just under $5K, including
shipping...

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:56:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BDD0B0F4.18A1%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6229904 [at] prxy.net>

on 11/29/04 10:45 AM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote:

> Do you NEED to get to 30 feet?
> 
> If not, and you can get by with a 20' model, I'd wholeheartedly
> recommend the Genie IWP20.  Outriggerless, fits through a standard
> doorway, available in both AC and DC, and best yet, you can get an
> option that allows you to extend the basket out from the mast 26".
> Great for getting and working above hanging scenery.  When I bought one
> for my previous employer, it came in at just under $5K, including
> shipping...


Yeah, but can you get it into a pick up truck?
What is the weight of that thing?

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:02:11 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD8C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Yeah, but can you get it into a pick up truck?
> What is the weight of that thing?

For the standard (32" wide) base and outreach option, the weight is
listed as 1348# for the AC model, 1432# for the DC version. =20

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Message-Id: <200411291606.iATG63UM016220 [at] expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu>
Reply-To: <drandolp [at] uiuc.edu>
From: "F. Randy deCelle" <drandolp [at] uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE: Learning AutoCAD
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:06:03 -0600
Organization: University of Illinois Department of Theatre
In-Reply-To: <list-5724432 [at] prxy.net>

I've been teaching a course in AutoCAD 2005 this semester and have
been using the following:

AutoCAD 2005 and AutoCAD LT 2005 Bible by Ellen Finkelstein
Publisher: Wiley; Bk&CD-Rom edition (July 12, 2004) 
ISBN: 0764569899 

Great examples with a CD that has the example files and free routines.
The book runs through most aspects of AutoCAD, including custom
menuing, 3D, etc. and is pretty easy to follow.

As far as versions go, yes the Educational version times out, however
people might consider AutoCAD LT, which has most of the functionality
of the full version, just some limitations on advanced features.

For the LD Assistant plug, one thing I will say, is for the money,
apparently you do get a full version of AutoCAD (2004) which cost
wise, isn't bad.

Randy
_________________________________________________________________
F. Randy deCelle, Assistant Professor, Chair of Scenic Technology
Department of Theatre - University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


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Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:10:13 -0800
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B73239A7 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Try www.jlg.com -- They have a few models that might work for you, =
although 30' without outriggers is a tall order (pun unavoidable, =
sorry).
Good Luck,
-- r.

Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

-----Original Message-----
We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new personnel lift.  We
currently have a "Genie" but are not married to any manufacturer.  Wish =
list
includes:

No outriggers needed
No higher working height than 30 feet
Get through doors
Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do
Am I forgetting anything?



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:09:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD0B3CC.2423%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6228265 [at] prxy.net>

It's the same thing with color coding on electrical
cables.  I developed a system 30 years ago which my
students and I found made a lot of sense.  I've been
using the same lighting graphics for the same period
of time.  At this point of my career, I don't plan
to change methods. 

However, if you are younger and working more in the
industry where specific graphics should be used across
the board, that's a different story.  I retired from
teaching five years ago.  In my situation, what I've
got ain't broke.

Steve

on 11/29/04 10:34 AM, Andy Ciddor at aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> At 01:02 30.11.2004, Martin Moore wrote:
>> Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper
>> drafting, now it's all computer drafting.
> 
> Don't you use standard graphic symbols and layout standards in your CAD
> drafting?
> 
> I've been using CAD for my lighting plans for around 18 years, and I
> welcome the existence of standards for graphical communication that I can
> employ in my drawings.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:27:27 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD8D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> 30' without outriggers is a tall order (pun=20
> unavoidable, sorry).=20

Again, a FWIW...the IWP line from Genie has a 20', 25', and 30'
platform-height models, and all of them work without outriggers.  Only
the 20' model has the basket-outreach option, though.

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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129111714.01cd6820 [at] mail.insightbb.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:31:23 -0500
From: Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats
In-Reply-To: <list-6220902 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6070148 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-6220902 [at] prxy.net>

Jacki,

I am currently working with two different orchestras, along with a 
colleague, to do exactly what you are describing.  The Lafayette Symphony 
Orchestra (Lafayette, Indiana) recently won a grant to purchase some large 
drapes to "dress" the stage.  They do not own a shell, neither does their 
host theatre.  We tried sharkstooth scrim and some other light fabrics 
(both color and weight).  To the conductor's ears, there was NO audible 
difference with the light fabrics in place.  We finally settled on a 
theatrical gauze.  This was chosen by my colleague, the scenic designer, 
because he thought it would be more versatile than the original scrim as a 
backdrop.

Combining the fabric with lighting (color, pattern) and video, we have 
created a very dynamic and VISUALLY interesting experience.  The visual 
additions are always looked at from the perspective that, first and 
foremost, the audience is there to hear the orchestra play--so any 
additions need to be enhancements to that experience.

The second orchestra, the Battle Creek Symphony Orchestra in Battle Creek, 
Michigan, just finished a concert that included four cameras, three with 
operators.  The audience (the majority of whom were long-time symphony 
attendees) LOVED the visual impact of the video images.  Particularly of 
the conductor's face.

As she (the conductor, Anne Harrigan) put it in her opening comments to the 
audience: "Beethoven was an innovator in his own time.  We are adding some 
new elements to this concert: live video and lighting.  If Beethoven were 
alive today, he would have been taking advantage of these new technologies 
to enhance the performance of his art.  Since he is not, we are."

Mike

At 09:49 AM 11/29/2004, Jacqueline Haney Kidwell wrote:

>Board of a community orchestra here, and am constantly
>trying to come up with a way to make the stage
>visually appealing.  Unfortunately, it's a frightfully
>ugly space, we have no budget at all and no time to do
>anything.  I can't do anything involving fabric


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:39:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Cadd Drawing
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-6218111 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <3993E906-4225-11D9-96D1-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu>

I have to agree with Jon here.  Company affiliation would have been a 
nice inclusion.  But, when a topic and problem come up on the list for 
which a vendor might have a solution.  I would welcome there note.  As 
long as it's not a long sales pitch and is in response to a post, I 
welcome the input.  As for truth in advertising/posting, I have a 
vested interest in being able to respond to VectorWorks questions, just 
as Bill Sapsis has a vested interest in responding to rigging 
quesitions.  We all value Bill's input to much to worry about flames 
scaring him away from responding.

Sam

Samuel L. Jones
Theater Production Supervisor
Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight Developer
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu

==========================================================

On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 06:31 AM, Jon Ares wrote:

> Let's all take a breath...  I don't think Rufus was 'spamming.'  Sure, 
> it might have been a good idea to end his original post with something 
> like, "BTW, my company puts out this software, and if you have any 
> questions, please don't hesitate to contact me," but I don't think he 
> was anywhere near the spam level we've seen from some past posts 
> regarding products.  Rufus didn't cut and paste an entire product 
> pitch and brochure, just a little information.
>
> Let's save our indignation for the super spammers.  And for Frank.   :)
>


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Message-ID: <16148915.1101746501004.JavaMail.root [at] fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:41:40 -0800 (PST)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Roadboxes

Hi all....

I'm in the need of some cable boxes.  I REALLY liked the ones that Westsun used to have.  I think they were built by a Canadian company.  Smooth wood, uber-beefy construction.

Anyway:

Anybody know this company?

Anyone have other suggestions?  I'm open to either buying or building (depending on costs).  

Boxes need to:

Fit on the lift-gate of an Isuzu city van box truck.
Fit through standard doors.
be stackable (probably max 2 high)
be small enough to be handled by two people (not lifting, or ramp--the big cable boxes from PRG would be way big)

These are for cable.

Thougts?

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

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Message-ID: <41AB51BF.6020605 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:43:43 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
References: <list-6229090 [at] prxy.net>

We've had a JLG Model 36AM for about ten years.  It is the DC version 
and if we had it to do over, we would get the AC version.  Even though 
the company has replaced the charger system once and battery at least 
twice at no (or very little) cost, I think the AC version would have 
been less trouble in the long run.  We also have had some problems 
getting student users to remember to plug it in after a call and to 
remember to turn the key off while charging. Even though the 
instructions are plainly in view, neglect of operational procedures 
means the next days' crew encounters a dead or dying battery.  You can't 
charge and operate the device simultaneously.
The footprint w/ outriggers is almost 80" x 80" as well.
Overall, when it is working, it works real well and we would be lost 
without it. It is not however, the perfect solution.

Steve Rees,TD
SUNY-Fredonia

Immel,Patrick wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new personnel lift.  We
> currently have a "Genie" but are not married to any manufacturer.  Wish list
> includes:
> 
> No outriggers needed
> No higher working height than 30 feet
> Get through doors
> Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
> Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do
> Am I forgetting anything?
> 
> 
> Suggestions?  Personal faves?!
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> 
> Patrick Immel
> Northwest Missouri State University



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:46:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-6236368 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <3BFA689A-4226-11D9-96D1-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu>

Be sure about the weight limit on your floor.  Most stages can handle 
the heavy lifts that don't need outriggers, but most dance floors and 
some stages cannot.

Sam

Samuel L. Jones
Theater Production Supervisor
Dance Program, Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
(310) 825-5823(w)
(310) 993-4172(c)
(310) 207-0392(h)

==========================================================

On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 08:27 AM, Paul Schreiner wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> 30' without outriggers is a tall order (pun
>> unavoidable, sorry).
>
> Again, a FWIW...the IWP line from Genie has a 20', 25', and 30'
> platform-height models, and all of them work without outriggers.  Only
> the 20' model has the basket-outreach option, though.
>
>


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Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A8CF505 [at] UCMAIL4>
From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:56:46 -0500

Patrick, 
Keep in mind that the Genie without outriggers cannot be moved when
extended.   I KNOW, I KNOW.  JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MENTION IT.

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: Immel,Patrick [mailto:PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:40 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hello All,

We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new personnel lift.  We
currently have a "Genie" but are not married to any manufacturer.  Wish list
includes:

No outriggers needed
No higher working height than 30 feet
Get through doors
Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do
Am I forgetting anything?


Suggestions?  Personal faves?!

Thanks in Advance,

Patrick Immel
Northwest Missouri State University

------------------------------

Message-Id: <200411291712.iATHCXVS028300 [at] a.mail.peak.org>
From: "Elliott Family" <elliott [at] peak.org>
Subject: RE: New Thread?
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:12:29 -0800

The similarities in meaning between "ham" and "hammer" have a long history,
mainly mushrooming in the early part of the 20th Century. But "ham" as a
slang for "amateur radio operator" derives from slang terms for "ham" and/or
"hammer" & "amateur" which existed before the radio. What seems clear to me
is that the "ham actor" and "ham radio operator" both derived from the
"clumsy," etc. meanings behind "hammer" & "ham", and the sound similarity
between "ham/hammer" and "amateur," giving rise to the following "thread":

Taking Eric Partridge's "A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English,"
8th Edition, edited by Paul Beale, as my source for this discussion, I note
the following entries, which I have reorganized into chronological order to
add clarity to the branching derivations:

      "Hammer-headed" means "stupid; oafish: coll., perhaps: the OED
considers it Standard English Mid-C16-20; obsolete (Nashe.) [Derived from]
the hardness of a hammer."

      "ham-bone. A greenhorn or an amateur among itinerant musicians:
showmen's: since 1880. (P.H. Emerson, 'Signor Lippo, 1893.) Whence, prob.,
the American 'ham,' 'inferior actor, re-transported to England ca. 1925;
hence, 'ham,' n., as above."

Citations regarding the word "hammer" ("to punish; beat; pugilistic slang
(--1887) and then general colloquialism") seem to me to be "likely" simply
since hammers have been around far longer than amateur radio operators (as
in: he hammers out his role (beating it mercilessly [or to death]). That's a
simple and likely (if not "the") derivation predating any amateur radio
references.

      "hammer-chewer. An amateur: ca. 1910-40. (Petch, 1969). A somewhat
clumsy would-be jocularity." (But that is probably all that is: a "clumsy
would-be" attempt to make a joke.)

      "ham-handed is the Royal Navy's form of ham-fisted: since early C20.
('Musings,' ca. 1912, p.62.) 'Hands like hams' are usually clumsy--or look
it.--2. Hence, almost immediately, figuratively, 'of clumsy people and those
who lack tact' (Laurie Atkinson: a copious supply of terms, Forces' and
gen., received from 1948 onwards, 1976.)"

      "ham it up. To act a part extravagantly; hence, to wreck (something)
by ill-advised conduct: Can. (ex US): since ca. 1930; by 1945, Eng."

According to Partridge's citations, "ham" meaning "an amateur wireless
transmitter" entered the language in Sept. 1936--a bit late for the above
series of citations regarding acting or performing music.

      "ham, v. To be an inferior actor, eps., to act badly: adopted, ca.
1939, from US Campbell Dixon in "Daily Telegraph," 18 Nov. 1946, 'After a
deal of hamming'. Ex the n. in ham-bone. Also adj.: 'inferior': adopted ca.
1930. See also ham it up."

--John Elliott

Albany Civic Theater (Oregon)

P.S.: Online, there's also a nice page that quotes several other sources:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/2/messages/120.html

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
MissWisc [at] aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:03 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: New Thread?

 

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>

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I'd always been taught that it's a shortened form of "amateur" just as "Ham
radio operator" is.

 

:)

 

More fat for the fire!

 

Krisit



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Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A8CF530 [at] UCMAIL4>
From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:13:44 -0500

I am running a Genie AWP30 and two AWP30S (shorter outriggers)The are all DC
models and I am very pleased with them.  The two AWP30S fit through doorways
without tipping them.  The other one needs to tip back on its base.  Yes,
like all battery operated machines, you have to change the battery
periodically, but to be able to move them around stage without dragging a
cord behind works for me.  We also have a MEC scissors lift with a 16'
platform height.  It too fits through doorways and we do love it and use it
a lot, but I do wish it went up higher.

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen E. Rees [mailto:Rees [at] fredonia.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:44 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

We've had a JLG Model 36AM for about ten years.  It is the DC version 
and if we had it to do over, we would get the AC version.  Even though 
the company has replaced the charger system once and battery at least 
twice at no (or very little) cost, I think the AC version would have 
been less trouble in the long run.  We also have had some problems 
getting student users to remember to plug it in after a call and to 
remember to turn the key off while charging. Even though the 
instructions are plainly in view, neglect of operational procedures 
means the next days' crew encounters a dead or dying battery.  You can't 
charge and operate the device simultaneously.
The footprint w/ outriggers is almost 80" x 80" as well.
Overall, when it is working, it works real well and we would be lost 
without it. It is not however, the perfect solution.

Steve Rees,TD
SUNY-Fredonia

Immel,Patrick wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new personnel lift.  We
> currently have a "Genie" but are not married to any manufacturer.  Wish
list
> includes:
> 
> No outriggers needed
> No higher working height than 30 feet
> Get through doors
> Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
> Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do
> Am I forgetting anything?
> 
> 
> Suggestions?  Personal faves?!
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> 
> Patrick Immel
> Northwest Missouri State University


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Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE390237E3432 [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
From: "Immel,Patrick" <PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:42:57 -0600

 Its got to be said...I know, but even coming down without the outriggers
will save A LOT of time from coming down, cranking up the outriggers,
moving, cranking down the outriggers, going up!

Pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Waxler, Steve (waxlers) [mailto:WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU] 
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:57 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Patrick,
> Keep in mind that the Genie without outriggers cannot be moved when
> extended.   I KNOW, I KNOW.  JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MENTION IT.
> 
> Steve Waxler
> Technical Director
> College Conservatory of Music
> University of Cincinnati
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Immel,Patrick [mailto:PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:40 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Personnel Lifts
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> We are in the process of possibly upgrading to a new 
> personnel lift.  We currently have a "Genie" but are not 
> married to any manufacturer.  Wish list
> includes:
> 
> No outriggers needed
> No higher working height than 30 feet
> Get through doors
> Possibly get onto a (pickup) truck
> Would like to have AC/DC combo, but DC would do Am I 
> forgetting anything?
> 
> 
> Suggestions?  Personal faves?!
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> 
> Patrick Immel
> Northwest Missouri State University
> 

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Message-ID: <41AB63B3.26833F31 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:00:19 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Roadboxes
References: <list-6238600 [at] prxy.net>



seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi all....
>
> I'm in the need of some cable boxes.  I REALLY liked the ones that Westsun used to have.  I think they were built by a Canadian company.  Smooth wood, uber-beefy construction.
>
> Anyway:
>
> Anybody know this company?
>
> Anyone have other suggestions?  I'm open to either buying or building (depending on costs).
>
> Boxes need to:
>
> Fit on the lift-gate of an Isuzu city van box truck.
> Fit through standard doors.
> be stackable (probably max 2 high)
> be small enough to be handled by two people (not lifting, or ramp--the big cable boxes from PRG would be way big)
>
> These are for cable.
>
> Thougts?

    If they gotta be that small, you may want to consider going to
industrial plastic storage boxes and some furniture dollies.   These
are the boxes that you see stacked in the aisles of the CVS when
they are stocking the shelves late at night.  Plastic, usually grey,
and have flip over lids that close together and can hold a lot of
weight.  You can find cheaper, flimsier versions of these at
office supply stores.

    --Dale



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041129111102.017f7258 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:11:02
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RT60 (was: Re: Acoustics - a chance for the sound guys to show
  off!)

>is the there a meter for measuring reverb times in a
>space?  or do you just do the math?  
>are they very expensive?
>is the measurement taken from an output source, or
>from a listeners POV?
>in a very large hall would every area be a little
>different?

A great SPL meter would do the trick, or graphing input on a computer with
SMAART or some similar software.  The quality of the results will equal the
quality of the soft/hardware, however.
RT60 is the time it takes for an acoustic impulse to lose 60 dB, or to
become 1 to the neg. sixth of the original value.  
I'm not sure what an output source would be (like a speaker?) but taking
more than one sample would be helpful.  I would take the measurement from
listener's POV (POL?) mostly because the RT60 is used to determine how well
the listener is able to distinguish one sound from another.
In a very large hall, depending on what the constructions is and what else
is in the hall, the RT60 time might be different all over, or very much the
same.
Go to: <http://www.mcsquared.com/reverb.htm> for examples of reverb times,
and an adequate explanation of RT60, and other topics.  Pop around the site
for some insights into what problems sound faces.
<http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-RT60.htm> will get you close to
what your problem might be, and changing some of the parameters in the test
will give you an idea of what changes you might make IRL to make the room
better.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <111.3e427dce.2edcc029 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:10:49 EST
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats

In a message dated 29/11/04 02:21:02 GMT Standard Time, MissWisc [at] aol.com 
writes:

Just to prove I don't take it all too seriously, there is also the Bugs Bunny 
"Valkyrie", which is very amusing. Indeed, my wife believes that there's a 
whole Bugs Bunny Ring cycle, much truncated, and has ordered up a DVD which 
includes it from a hire company.

The Hoffnung concerts were also entertaining, many years ago. These included 
some zany items, such as a horn sonata played on a watering can, a trumpet 
piece played on a length of garden hose, and an orchestral piece which included 
vacuum cleaners.

> P.S. Frank... ever think of QUITTING smoking? Then you'd be welcome 
>  everywhere!

Kristi, thanks for the thought, but after 50 years as a smoker, I doubt that 
I shall.


Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041129112100.017f7258 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:21:00
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats

>"Hey, 
>that did that violinist really hit that harmonic in tune?  Let's run that 
>again, shall we, folks.  NOO-oo-oo!  She missed it.  The refs should have 
>caught that one.  Clearly out of tune!" 

You misspelled 'violist'.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1a7.2c122c38.2edcc29d [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:17 EST
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats

In a message dated 29/11/04 04:49:44 GMT Standard Time, MissWisc [at] aol.com 
writes:

> I'd probably have a very difficult time using that as I teach at a Catholic 
>  school! I got yelled at by one mom last year because I taught the origin 
of 
>  "Deck the Hall". It's a pagan Yule song not a Christmas carol! ;) Truth is 
>  painful to ignorant, bigoted people.

So are many others. The year's end festival goes back long before Christ, but 
the general nature of them is, at bottom, the same. Only the words have been 
rewritten. If you look through the Oxford Book of Carols, the attribution 
'TRAD(itional)' is often a giveaway.

Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A8CF5F4 [at] UCMAIL4>
From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: RE: audrey 2
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:22:52 -0500

I think I have a set of plans around somewhere.  If you really still need
them I will look to see if I can find them.  Haven't seen them for a few
years but they are here somewhere.

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: ken frederickson [mailto:kenfrederickson [at] yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:09 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: audrey 2

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hi all.

I know that this has probablly come up a million
times, but for some reason I am unable to access the
archives section at the moment.  My stagecraft class
wants to tackle the construction project.  does anyone
have a set of plans for the plant?  any suggestions on
where to look?  the outside seems easy enogh, but I
know that there is  some special construction inside.

thanks.


		
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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041129112750.017f7258 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:27:50
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re:  Re: ideas for bums in seats

>I got yelled at by one mom last year because I taught the origin of 
>"Deck the Hall". 

Just remind her that it was religious fundamentalists that blew up the WTC
and killed Jesus.  Minds that are too narrow are dangerous.   Minds that
only know one thing are singularly dull, and uninformed.  All the best
paintings draw from all the colors on the wheel, and all the best music
draws from all the instruments in the orchestra.  Solos are for primas.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <6a.4977184f.2edcc4ce [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:30:38 EST
Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics

In a message dated 29/11/04 14:03:10 GMT Standard Time, MOOREM4 [at] rpi.edu 
writes:

> Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper
>  drafting, now it's all computer drafting.
>  
>  It's like insisting on doing arithmetic without a calculator -- verging
>  on the Luddite

Maybe. But I learned how, when I was young, and what else do you do when the 
batteries in your calculator are flat? Easy stuff, I do in my head, and if 
it's more difficult, I use a slide rule. I still have one in my desk. Admittedly, 
you have to do it all twice. Once very roughly in your head, to see where the 
decimal point should be, and then again on the slide rule to get accurate 
numbers.


Frank Wood

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Subject: Steel strength sites?
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:30:56 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD8E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Anyone have a good online reference that would have information on the
strength of steel box tubing for structural purposes?  I've been charged
with the construction of some new portable seating risers, and I'm
trying to CMA as much as possible...and googling so far has turned up a
ton of false alarms.

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <194.32dd90b9.2edcc5f8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:35:36 EST
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

In a message dated 29/11/04 16:03:11 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
writes:

> For the standard (32" wide) base and outreach option, the weight is
>  listed as 1348# for the AC model, 1432# for the DC version.  

Just curious, but why the DC version? Where does the DC come from, unless you 
mean batteries?

Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <9442375.1101753505714.JavaMail.root [at] louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:38:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Roadboxes

They don't need to be tiny....

This is for several thousand feet of 2P&G 12/3 stage cable.  Think short coffin, not 4'x4'x3.5' PRG cable box.

We use lots of thos bins for things like PAR-64 lamps and adaptors, but they would be WAY too small for this.  I'm looking for a true roadbox.

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>

    If they gotta be that small, you may want to consider going to
industrial plastic storage boxes and some furniture dollies.   These
are the boxes that you see stacked in the aisles of the CVS when
they are stocking the shelves late at night.  Plastic, usually grey,
and have flip over lids that close together and can hold a lot of
weight.  You can find cheaper, flimsier versions of these at
office supply stores.

    --Dale




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Message-ID: <E4A88E2C1A02D943A0B743C2B253669C0477FDAC [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: ideas for bums in seats
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:39:42 -0700

This has been the norm for years at massive venue rock and country shows.  Since the bleed seats can barely see the stage much less the performer(s), video close-ups FPed to massive screens at least give them the chance to see the sweat.

Frankly, seeing the conductor sweat leaves me cold, however watching a close-up of the pianist's hands might get me to the concert hall more often.

Chip Wood

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Riter, Andrew (Head 

Our symphony orchestra in town has installed to FP screens and 3(?) camera around the stage and house, to project video images of the conductor (his front), soloist, piano keys etc.  
Is it worth it? Dunno.

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In-Reply-To: <list-6254856 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6254856 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <42A40689-4236-11D9-AFDE-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:41:19 -0700

That would be 84 lb.  of batteries...


Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:35 AM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In a message dated 29/11/04 16:03:11 GMT Standard Time, 
> pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu
> writes:
>
>> For the standard (32" wide) base and outreach option, the weight is
>>  listed as 1348# for the AC model, 1432# for the DC version.
>
> Just curious, but why the DC version? Where does the DC come from, 
> unless you
> mean batteries?
>
> Frank Wood


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Message-ID: <E4A88E2C1A02D943A0B743C2B253669C0477FDB0 [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: ideas for bums in seats
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:44:42 -0700

But not with barefeet!

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com


P.S. Frank... ever think of QUITTING smoking? Then you'd be welcome 
everywhere!

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Subject: RE: Roadboxes
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:49:56 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD8F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

> They don't need to be tiny....
>=20
> This is for several thousand feet of 2P&G 12/3 stage cable. =20
> Think short coffin, not 4'x4'x3.5' PRG cable box.

What about those SKB truck-pack boxes?  43-1/4"x28"x22" interior
dimensions, something akin to 45"x30"x24" exterior...

Only problem with those is that they're exPENsive (about $580 each
IIRC)!

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:21:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
Message-ID: <20041129.104926.3908.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

I still prefer Condor lifts that can
/s/ Richard

> Patrick, 
> Keep in mind that the Genie without outriggers cannot be moved when
> extended.   I KNOW, I KNOW.  JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MENTION IT.
> Steve Waxler

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:49:19 -0800
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats
Message-ID: <20041129.104926.3908.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

Do you mean "What's Opera, Doc", the most honored piece of cartoon
animation, ever produced? Number two is "The Rabbit of Seville", which is
another Bugs Bunny opera-themed cartoon. Thank You, Chuck Jones! One of
the longest touring 'road shows' is performances by the local symphony
orchestras of whatever city they are touring to of  the music from both,
and other WB films, accompanied by the films' video projection with the
dialog and effects tracks. It enthrals audiences of all ages at the
Hollywood Bowl when it is presented every few years.
/s/ Richard

> Just to prove I don't take it all too seriously, there is also
> the Bugs Bunny  "Valkyrie", which is very amusing. 
> Indeed, my wife believes that there's a  whole Bugs 
> Bunny Ring cycle, much truncated, and has ordered 
> up a DVD which includes it from a hire company.
> Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <004601c4d644$ed2a5070$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE>
Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-5846696 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Rope lights
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:40:17 -0500

I've used rope lights for "backstage" lighting.   I've modified a plug so
with a rectifying diode in series with the common side.  This dims the
lights without the use of a dimmer.

For actors who are "darkness challenged" this has been a boon.  Even thought
of color coding them.  Green is securely backstage, yellow is on-stage,
behind scenery/drop.  Red means you're at an exit/entrance area.

Alf


----- Original Message -----
From: <Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Rope lights


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> on 11/26 Keith Arsenault wrote:
>
> "having seen Marty Petlocks rope light cue system behind the fly rail at
> Van
> Wezel in Sarasota, , , I can endorse it wholeheartedly and would recommend
> that
> system to most everyone"
>
> Deja vu all over again. I think we ran this thread last spring, thanks
> Keith. The rope lights have proved very popular. We've also been using
> ropelights to mark the path from Dressing Rooms through OSR for the last 3
> seasons as Mark O'Brien suggested. Everyone really likes that, I can't
> describe what Howie Mandel did with them but he had us all in stitches.
> Anyone who's been through my hall will understand why we were happy to
> locate strings in purple.
>
> Marty Petlock
> Technical Facilities Manager
> Van Wezel P.A.H.
> Sarasota, FL.
>
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Message-ID: <20041129191329.1063.qmail [at] web81706.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:13:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Roadboxes
In-Reply-To: <list-6249698 [at] prxy.net>

--- Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net> wrote:
>     If they gotta be that small, you may want to
> consider going to
> industrial plastic storage boxes and some furniture
> dollies.   These
> are the boxes that you see stacked in the aisles of
> the CVS when
> they are stocking the shelves late at night. 
> Plastic, usually grey,
> and have flip over lids that close together and can
> hold a lot of
> weight.  You can find cheaper, flimsier versions of
> these at
> office supply stores.
> 
>     --Dale


I recently saw a heavy plastic jobsite industrial box
with casters. I believe that it was in McMaster-Carr,
but I'm not sure. Something else to look at.

Mike H

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:19:58 -0500
From: Jeff Grams <jdgrams [at] saintmarys.edu>
Subject: Re: Roadboxes
In-reply-to: <list-6238600 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <a06110401bdd1240e662f [at] [147.53.65.165]>
References: <list-6238600 [at] prxy.net>

>
>I'm in the need of some cable boxes.

aren't we all

>Boxes need to:
>Fit on the lift-gate of an Isuzu city van box truck.
>Fit through standard doors.
>be stackable (probably max 2 high)

OUCH

>be small enough to be handled by two people (not lifting, or 
>ramp--the big cable boxes from PRG would be way big)


I like  http://www.rrcases.com/home.html

They used to have a used and overstock section and you could call or 
e-mail them and they would send a list.

used them 3 times and they were very easy and cost effective.

Jeff

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Message-ID: <41AB7A0C.6070504 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:35:40 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts
References: <list-6254856 [at] prxy.net>

Frank,
Indeed, the DC power is battery power from a large battery pack on the 
machine.
Steve Rees

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> In a message dated 29/11/04 16:03:11 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
> writes:
> 
> 
>>For the standard (32" wide) base and outreach option, the weight is
>> listed as 1348# for the AC model, 1432# for the DC version.  
> 
> 
> Just curious, but why the DC version? Where does the DC come from, unless you 
> mean batteries?
> 
> Frank Wood



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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:35:55 -0800
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-6253655 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <E31224F3-423D-11D9-A073-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu>

Chris,

I certainly agree with most of what you are saying, but Bach sonatas 
and partitas for solo violin are unsurpassed.

Sam

================================================
On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 11:27 AM, CB wrote:

> Just remind her that it was religious fundamentalists that blew up the 
> WTC
> and killed Jesus.  Minds that are too narrow are dangerous.   Minds 
> that
> only know one thing are singularly dull, and uninformed.  All the best
> paintings draw from all the colors on the wheel, and all the best music
> draws from all the instruments in the orchestra.  Solos are for primas.


------------------------------

From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:17:24 -0800
Message-ID: <006701c4d650$70fe53a0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6256982 [at] prxy.net>

You have my vote. Condor, Inc. was one of my clients, insurance, etc.
and product liability. Seemed like a good product. Dr. Doom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Niederberg
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:22 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

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I still prefer Condor lifts that can
/s/ Richard

> Patrick, 
> Keep in mind that the Genie without outriggers cannot be moved when
> extended.   I KNOW, I KNOW.  JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MENTION IT.
> Steve Waxler

________________________________________________________________
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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:18:03 -0800
Message-ID: <006801c4d650$88df4d80$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6239393 [at] prxy.net>

Excellent point, so often overlooked. Dr. Doom

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====================================================
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Samuel
Jones
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Be sure about the weight limit on your floor.  Most stages can handle 
the heavy lifts that don't need outriggers, but most dance floors and 
some stages cannot.

Sam

Samuel L. Jones
Theater Production Supervisor
Dance Program, Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
(310) 825-5823(w)
(310) 993-4172(c)
(310) 207-0392(h)

==========================================================

On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 08:27 AM, Paul Schreiner wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> 30' without outriggers is a tall order (pun
>> unavoidable, sorry).
>
> Again, a FWIW...the IWP line from Genie has a 20', 25', and 30'
> platform-height models, and all of them work without outriggers.  Only
> the 20' model has the basket-outreach option, though.
>
>


------------------------------

Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A8CF71A [at] UCMAIL4>
From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:21:44 -0500

Yes, it is a great way to go.  Now, if only the trapped stage floor would
support it.  For arenas it is wonderful.  I have looked into this type of
equipment before, but they are all so heavy.

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson [mailto:doomster [at] worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:17 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

You have my vote. Condor, Inc. was one of my clients, insurance, etc.
and product liability. Seemed like a good product. Dr. Doom

====================================================
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Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana

Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
====================================================
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a healthier & safer place.
Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
====================================================
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Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org
====================================================
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====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Niederberg
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:22 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I still prefer Condor lifts that can
/s/ Richard

> Patrick, 
> Keep in mind that the Genie without outriggers cannot be moved when
> extended.   I KNOW, I KNOW.  JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MENTION IT.
> Steve Waxler

________________________________________________________________
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------------------------------

Message-ID: <002f01c4d652$d24adb40$77b627d8 [at] com>
From: "Gina&Joe" <sonoratheatrewrx [at] theriver.com>
Subject: Afghan theatre
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:34:26 -0700


Here's an inspiring article from the 11/26/04 Christian Science Monitor
about a play festival in Kabul.  It also has some background about theatre
in Afghanistan.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1126/p01s04-almp.html

Gina Gagliano
Tucson




------------------------------

From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Personnel Lifts
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:33:28 -0800
Message-ID: <001301c4d652$b02b3320$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6268157 [at] prxy.net>

I have discovered in assessing many rigging systems in arenas, stages,
auditoriums, athletic field houses, churches, that the condor works best
for me, and indeed the weight factor is a primary consideration when
using a lift. doom

====================================================
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Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana

Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
====================================================
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a healthier & safer place.
Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
====================================================
International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA)  -
Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org
====================================================
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====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Waxler,
Steve (waxlers)
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:22 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Yes, it is a great way to go.  Now, if only the trapped stage floor
would
support it.  For arenas it is wonderful.  I have looked into this type
of
equipment before, but they are all so heavy.

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson [mailto:doomster [at] worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:17 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

You have my vote. Condor, Inc. was one of my clients, insurance, etc.
and product liability. Seemed like a good product. Dr. Doom

====================================================
A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public
Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana

Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
====================================================
Risk International & Associates, Inc.  -  Dedicated to making the world
a healthier & safer place.
Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
====================================================
International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA)  -
Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org
====================================================
960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767    Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961
====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Niederberg
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:22 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Personnel Lifts

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I still prefer Condor lifts that can
/s/ Richard

> Patrick, 
> Keep in mind that the Genie without outriggers cannot be moved when
> extended.   I KNOW, I KNOW.  JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MENTION IT.
> Steve Waxler

________________________________________________________________
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Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:11:27 -0800
Subject: Re: High density plastic glides
From: James Feinberg <feinberg [at] sandiego.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-5752964 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <3BA1A3B2-424B-11D9-904D-00039367B7D4 [at] sandiego.edu>

I, too, was looking into this recently.  I had planned to go with UHMW, 
although I've never worked with it before.  Long story short, I ended 
up using self-adhesive furniture glides from Home Depot.

The plastic pads were more than sufficient for our needs (it was a 
pretty short run) but they did occasionally pop off going over some of 
the worse floor seams.  If I were to do it again, I'd probably try a 
stronger adhesive.  But at a few bucks for a four pack, I certainly got 
my money's worth :)



On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 06:06 AM, Immel,Patrick wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I need to create a couple of low profile wagons for a production.  I am
> wondering if anybody has ever used the high density plastic glides.  I 
> am
> not sure of of the acronym for this product or its name!  If anybody 
> has
> used this before or at least remembers its name, I would appreciate the
> help.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Pat Immel
> Northwest Missouri State University


------------------------------

From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Afghan theatre
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:26:45 -0800
Message-ID: <002101c4d65a$2132baf0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6269332 [at] prxy.net>

Great article. Thanks so much. Dr. doom. I have many Afghan friends here
in Claremont, and I shall apprise them of the article. doom

====================================================
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Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
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====================================================
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a healthier & safer place.
Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
====================================================
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Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org
====================================================
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====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
Gina&Joe
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:34 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Afghan theatre

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


Here's an inspiring article from the 11/26/04 Christian Science Monitor
about a play festival in Kabul.  It also has some background about
theatre
in Afghanistan.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1126/p01s04-almp.html

Gina Gagliano
Tucson




------------------------------

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:34:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Steel strength sites?
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BDD10017.18F3%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6254233 [at] prxy.net>

on 11/29/04 1:30 PM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote:

> 
> Anyone have a good online reference that would have information on the
> strength of steel box tubing for structural purposes?  I've been charged
> with the construction of some new portable seating risers, and I'm
> trying to CMA as much as possible...and googling so far has turned up a
> ton of false alarms.


The structural integrity of a steel shape (I-beam, Tube, C-Channel, etc) is
determined not only by its' size and thickness, but also how it is used.  To
determine a load rating for steel tube, for example, the method of
attachment to the rest of the frame, along with the span would need to be
known.

I would urge you to contact an engineer or someone with a steel background
to get an answer that will be more accurate than a table online.

(can you see me jumping up and down with a sign saying...me, me...call me!?
I could make the sign bigger....)
<<gg>>

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A8CF825 [at] UCMAIL4>
From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: RE: Steel strength sites?
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:43:43 -0500

Go ahead, make the sign bigger!

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Sapsis [mailto:bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:35 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Steel strength sites?

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

on 11/29/04 1:30 PM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote:

> 
> Anyone have a good online reference that would have information on the
> strength of steel box tubing for structural purposes?  I've been charged
> with the construction of some new portable seating risers, and I'm
> trying to CMA as much as possible...and googling so far has turned up a
> ton of false alarms.


The structural integrity of a steel shape (I-beam, Tube, C-Channel, etc) is
determined not only by its' size and thickness, but also how it is used.  To
determine a load rating for steel tube, for example, the method of
attachment to the rest of the frame, along with the span would need to be
known.

I would urge you to contact an engineer or someone with a steel background
to get an answer that will be more accurate than a table online.

(can you see me jumping up and down with a sign saying...me, me...call me!?
I could make the sign bigger....)
<<gg>>

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.

------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-6277387 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6277387 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <89BA6240-424F-11D9-AFDE-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Steel strength sites?
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:42:16 -0700

In the past, I have found a structural engineer willing to look at my 
ideas and plans, and make recommendations as to what is OK, and what is 
not.  When I then drew up the plans, he did the calculations, and put 
his stamp on my drawings.  From that point on, I built the structures 
to those plans with no modifications whatsoever.  This was recommended 
to me by my attorney.    It took a while to find one that was 
interested in working this way, but he seems to like a strange project 
now and then, and of course, the bragging rights that go with them.

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote:

> on 11/29/04 1:30 PM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone have a good online reference that would have information on the
>> strength of steel box tubing for structural purposes?  I've been 
>> charged
>> with the construction of some new portable seating risers, and I'm
>> trying to CMA as much as possible...and googling so far has turned up 
>> a
>> ton of false alarms.


------------------------------

Message-ID: <41ABBEFC.4070606 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:29:48 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: High density plastic glides
References: <list-6274314 [at] prxy.net>

I've also used these furniture glides and like them for lightweight 
apps.  I have found that you can attach these more securely with an oval 
head screw through the center drawn down tight.  This sets the head of 
the screw below the rim of the glide and worked pretty well on our 
masonite deck.
Steve Rees,TD
SUNY-Fredonia

James Feinberg wrote:
  Long story short, I ended up
> using self-adhesive furniture glides from Home Depot.
> 
>


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Message-ID: <41ABBF87.3040205 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:32:07 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Steel strength sites?
References: <list-6277387 [at] prxy.net>

Bill, you shameless self promoting hussy! :)
Steve

Bill Sapsis wrote:

> (can you see me jumping up and down with a sign saying...me, me...call me!?
> I could make the sign bigger....)
> <<gg>>


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:35:41 -0500
Message-Id: <200411291935.AA149029116 [at] adamb.com>
From: "Adam Berns" <ab [at] adamb.com>
Reply-To: <ab [at] adamb.com>
Subject: sound que software

Over the past several shows I have noticed that the CD and Minidisk player are being used less and less in the production done at my high-school.  Students are opting more towards PC based sound programs.  Currently they use windows media or ITunes and we constantly end up with a toilet flushing instead of a phone ring.  I am looking for a relatively simple sound que system that will run on a PC that can do basic cross fades between different sounds coming from different devices; CD, MP3, WAV, WMA, etc.  Any advice?  I may also be in the marked for a sound card for a PC that has a decent line out qualities (not like a standard card with just mini jacks.  Any recommendations?

Thanks!


------------------------------

From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Cc: ab [at] adamb.com
Subject: RE: sound que software
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:48:05 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-6301634 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000006303365 [at] prxy.net>

....  I am looking for a relatively simple sound que system that will run on
a PC that can do basic cross fades between different sounds coming from
different devices; CD, MP3, WAV, WMA, etc.  Any advice?  I may also be in
the marked for a sound card for a PC that has a decent line out qualities
(not like a standard card with just mini jacks.  Any recommendations?


Adam:

Within the last few weeks there was discussion of these very subjects, but I
can't remember if they were here or on the Show Control and Theatre Sound
lists.   To summarize:

1) There are a number of low-cost cue-based programs available.  The one
most cited, which I just used for the first time in a "complex" high-school
production, is called Sound cue System, available for download at
www.soundcuesystem.com.  I have no affiliation with the company, except as a
customer.  The program works well and is very simple to learn and use. $55
for the standard version.

2) There are lots of ways of getting the sound out of the PC including sound
cards and interfaces based on PCI cards, USB ports, and, increasingly,
firewire.  One important caveat is the likelihood of noise and static when
plugging from the computer into a mixing board due to ground loops.  For
more details on this, see the recent Theatre Sound archives.

Hope this helps.

Jonathan Deull
Edmund Burke School




------------------------------

Subject: Re: Cell Phones on Tour
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:27:13 -0800
Message-ID: <D970C7F47C09C845806F744DA67B21764F1386 [at] mercury.exchange.local>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

Trying to avoid the "me too" syndrome, but I'd agree that Verizon seems
to have the best overall coverage in the US.  I keep telling myself that
AT&T Wireless will get better with their new ownership, but I ain't
holding my breath (good coverage, lousy customer service).  And I still
own a Nextel (on the lowest possible fee program) *purely* because it
lets contractors program me into their system on construction sites.
Hate the Nextel service and coverage, but I'm not seeing a lot of my
construction boys changing the company phones anytime soon...

Everybody at the office loves their Treo's....and we've found a bit of
software that I'd recommend very, very highly to anybody on the road -
that's "PdaNet".  Basically it's a program to use your Treo as a
wireless modem when connected to your laptop via the USB sync cable.
Absolutely seamless, functions in areas where a WiFi hotspot is at best
a distant dream, and it's allowed us all to get online in some really
strange places.  It's about $35 from http://www.junefabrics.com/palmnet
(strange name, I'll grant you).  There have been a number of other "use
your cell as a modem" programs and dongles out there, but this one works
like a champ.  And we've been seeing really high connection speeds with
it in most locations...keep in mind that you're paying for airtime, but
there are sure times that it's worth every penny.  And it beats trying
to type on the tiny little keyboard of the Treo

Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com =20
http://www.thinkwelldesign.com =20


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Message-ID: <00ab01c4d67e$f5dcfb20$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6303373 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Drury Lane
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:50:21 -0000

Hi, team.

Any of you London based guys working "The Producers" or know anyone who is?
A couple of my erstwhile colleagues are down there in about 2 weeks and
would very much like a backstage tour (official or otherwise).

Any ideas??

Ynot



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Message-ID: <BAY14-F35711FB09D96ED16662540DABE0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-6278732 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steel strength sites?
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:34:59 -0500

>>(can you see me jumping up and down with a sign saying...me, me...call 
>>me!?
>>I could make the sign bigger....)

>Go ahead, make the sign bigger!

If you *do* make the sign bigger, please make certain that it still falls 
within the original design criteria, and that weight, durability, and 
transportability are not impacted. You may wish to confirm that the sign 
remains within these parameters by checking with the design engineer.

;)


-- Matt

=======

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From: "jeff" <jeff.mabray [at] comcast.net>
Subject: RE: sound que software
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:59:14 -0600
Message-ID: <DEEDIFBFLGELEEMJFCFEGEFNCAAA.jeff.mabray [at] comcast.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-6303373 [at] prxy.net>

I'm going to come out of lurk mode and speak up here as another one to
promote Sound Cue System.  I used it on a production of "A Christmas Story"
about this time last year.  For anyone who knows the show it is fairly sound
intensive - It was very easy to learn - very intuitive to play and worked
very well for us.  The 55 bucks is a small small price to pay for a program
of this caliber and ease of use.  The graphics aren't that great - but this
isn't a graphics display program - its a sound cue playback program -

There are capabilities to assign cues to hotkeys for instant playback - It
can play multiple cues over one another-  I could go on and on.  I think
that there is a demo program available for download that should answer all
of your questions.







------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:01:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Cc: ab [at] adamb.com
Subject: Re: sound que software
In-Reply-To: <list-6301634 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411300400060.13565 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-6301634 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Adam Berns wrote:

> phone ring.  I am looking for a relatively simple sound que system that will 
> run on a PC that can do basic cross fades between different sounds coming from 
> different devices; CD, MP3, WAV, WMA, etc.  Any advice?  I may also be in the 
> marked for a sound card for a PC that has a decent line out qualities (not 
> like a standard card with just mini jacks.  Any recommendations?

I recommend you join the theatre-sound mailing list, where this sort of thing is 
discussed on a regular basis:

http://www.brooklyn.com/theatre-sound/index.html

Good luck!
Charlie

+ Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd +
+ http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com +
+---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+

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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Drury Lane
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:42:46 -0800
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Look up Laura Koch, the stage manager. One of my best friends. Doom

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Hi, team.

Any of you London based guys working "The Producers" or know anyone who
is?
A couple of my erstwhile colleagues are down there in about 2 weeks and
would very much like a backstage tour (official or otherwise).

Any ideas??

Ynot



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