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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #212

 1. Re: Lighting Graphics
    by Adam Fitchett <adam [at] fitchtech.net>
 2. Re: Drury Lane
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 3. Re: Paper Drafting
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 4. Re[2]: Paper Drafting
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
 5. Re: sound que software
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 6. Friction
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
 7. Re: Friction
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 8. Re: Friction
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
 9. Re: Friction
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
10. Re: Friction
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
11. Re: Roadboxes
    by "Stuart Baulch" <the.devil.you.know [at] rogers.com>
12. Re: Paper Drafting
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
13. Color Coding Fixtures
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
14. Personnel Lifts -Again
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
15. Marley was Dead...
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
16. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
17. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
18. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
19. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
20. Re: Friction
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
21. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
22. Lighting/Music Software
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
23. Re: Friction
    by "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
24. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
25. Re: Friction
    by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" <roadhat [at] earthlink.net>
26. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
27. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>
28. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
29. Re: Friction
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
30. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
31. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
32. cable boxes
    by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
33. Re: Friction
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
34. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
35. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
36. Re: Friction
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
37. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by "Elliott Family" <elliott [at] peak.org>
38. Re: Paper Drafting
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
39. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>
40. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
41. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
42. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
43. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
44. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
45. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
46. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
47. Weird Type of Plate
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
48. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovillano [at] verizon.net>
49. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>
50. Re: Roadboxes
    by "Brandon Slokowski" <bslokowski [at] hotmail.com>
51. Re: Paul Schreiner's lift
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
52. Re: Roadboxes
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
53. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by "Nigel Worsley" <nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com>
54. Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
55. Re: CAD Text
    by "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" <ferreiraj [at] kingphilip.org>
56. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
57. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
58. Technician Position Available
    by "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
59. Re: Friction
    by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
60. Re: Roadbox
    by June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
61. Re: Friction
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
62. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by howie <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
63. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
64. Re: Plastic Glides
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
65. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
66. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
67. Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
68. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by Jason Romney <jason [at] cd-romney.com>
69. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovillano [at] verizon.net>
70. Re: Lighting/Music Software
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovillano [at] verizon.net>
71. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
72. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Joe Meils" <bipolarber [at] cyberback.com>
73. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
74. Re: CAD Programs
    by Joe <joe [at] dunfee.com>
75. Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
    by "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com>
76. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
77. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
78. Radio Mic Rental in San Francisco Bay Area
    by Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>

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Message-ID: <41AC25E8.2080200 [at] fitchtech.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:48:56 -0800
From: Adam Fitchett <adam [at] fitchtech.net>
Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics
References: <list-6213174 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-6213174 [at] prxy.net>

Oddly enough, as a student and until recently an electrical engineering 
major who studied at two very respected engineering schools, I was 
required to go through my 4 calculus classes and even some of my physics 
classes without the aid of a calculator. While not all that practical as 
we (the students often argued) I do have to say it's nice knowing how to do.

As far as symbols go, I have recently hung two different shows at 
different theatres by different lighting designers, both of which did 
their plots by hand so the pencil and paper isn't quite out-dated yet.

-Adam Fitchett
San Jose State University (formerly a student at the General Motors 
Institute)


Moore, Martin W. wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper
>drafting, now it's all computer drafting.
>
>It's like insisting on doing arithmetic without a calculator -- verging
>on the Luddite
>
>
>
>Martin
>

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Message-ID: <007901c4d6c7$7b5c0280$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6338152 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Drury Lane
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:29:29 -0000

Aha!
You wouldn't have an e-mail address, I suppose? (posted off-line, of
course??)

TD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: Drury Lane


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Look up Laura Koch, the stage manager. One of my best friends. Doom
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:50 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Drury Lane
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi, team.
>
> Any of you London based guys working "The Producers" or know anyone who
> is?
> A couple of my erstwhile colleagues are down there in about 2 weeks and
> would very much like a backstage tour (official or otherwise).
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Ynot
>
>
>



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Message-ID: <003c01c4d6dc$070f5110$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Paper Drafting
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:56:35 -1000

<<Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper
drafting, now it's all computer drafting.

It's like insisting on doing arithmetic without a calculator -- verging
on the Luddite>>

Not again...  sigh.

Some think they know how everyone should do everything and scoff at those
who disagree.

Sorry, but it's not "all" computer drafting.

I am certainly not against CAD and use it for space planning as I have
mentioned before.  I then go on the boards for elevations.  It's simply
faster.  I can also harness the power of orthographic projection while
looking at a full 30" x 40" drawing without scrolling.

Think of it as another crayon in the box.

So is it "kray-on" or "cran"?

Laters,

Paul

"My puppy's bed is full of bugs" Tom said dogmatically.



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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:17:29 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
Message-ID: <163375941.20041130081729 [at] TCON.net>
Subject: Re[2]: Paper Drafting
In-Reply-To: <list-6417595 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net> <list-6417595 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy!

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, Paul wrote:

PG> So is it "kray-on" or "cran"?

It's "Kren."

Tee hee hee....

Best regards,
 Frank E. Merrill
 MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
 Eastablished 1946
 Indianapolis  
 317: 255 4666

 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v3.0
         mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net



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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:48:31 -0500
Subject: Re: sound que software
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD1E45F.2476%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6331695 [at] prxy.net>

FYI, Mac users.  It's PC only.  We're using it in
our current show.  Sound op learned to run the
show in about 10 minutes.  We had to borrow a
laptop PC to use it.

Steve

on 11/29/04 10:59 PM, jeff at jeff.mabray [at] comcast.net wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'm going to come out of lurk mode and speak up here as another one to
> promote Sound Cue System.  I used it on a production of "A Christmas Story"
> about this time last year.  For anyone who knows the show it is fairly sound
> intensive - It was very easy to learn - very intuitive to play and worked
> very well for us.  The 55 bucks is a small small price to pay for a program
> of this caliber and ease of use.  The graphics aren't that great - but this
> isn't a graphics display program - its a sound cue playback program -
> 
> There are capabilities to assign cues to hotkeys for instant playback - It
> can play multiple cues over one another-  I could go on and on.  I think
> that there is a demo program available for download that should answer all
> of your questions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: Friction
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BDD1EF7E.1628%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

Dennis Booth wrote:

<The thickness of the glide generally is only important in regards to the =
attachment of the glide, possibly counter-sunk screws, as has been =
pointed out.  Rounding over or chamfering the edges of the glide is a =
good idea, too.

However, the amount of contact surface area is what will ultimately =
determine the sliding resistance of the glides, so minimize the surface =
area of the glides as much as possible and also use as few glides on =
your wagons as is possible.  UHMW is a low-friction plastic, and not =
surprisingly, "low-friction" means just that --  Not "NO-friction"!>

And not to contradict too much, but for sliding friction surface area has
nothing at all to do with it, at least from the standpoint of pure physics.
Friction is based on the coefficient of friction of the materials in
contact, and the force between them.  That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction
(there are other issues with the bacon).

In practice, though, if the surface areas get too big or too small, there
can be other problems.  Too small, and you can get the flooring deforming
(think of a tiny steel runner on plywood), or a small rough/uneven spot can
stop the works.  If they get too big, for one thing you're spending a lot of
money on UHMW that you don't need to spend.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept.



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Message-ID: <000901c4d6ea$552d9b00$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-6433576 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:39:00 -0800

> That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
> bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction
> (there are other issues with the bacon).


So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor?

<grin>

       -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative 
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm

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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:45:55 -0800
Message-ID: <005201c4d6eb$4d079e20$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6434067 [at] prxy.net>

If it is the High Holidays, I would rethink using bacon. Doom

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-----Original Message-----
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Ares
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:39 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Friction

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> That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
> bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of
friction
> (there are other issues with the bacon).


So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage
floor?

<grin>

       -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative 
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm


------------------------------

Message-ID: <001301c4d6ed$078c87a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-6435188 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:58:19 -0800

>
> If it is the High Holidays, I would rethink using bacon. Doom
>

Ahh, thanks, Doom.  Always the clear-viewed, logical and balanced one.  What 
was I thinking?  Here I am, directing "A Christmas Carol," with about 1/4 of 
my cast is Jewish, too.   :)

       -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm 


------------------------------

From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:00:51 -0800
Message-ID: <007b01c4d6ed$62fc1f60$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6437097 [at] prxy.net>

Without too  much vetch. Go easy on the bacon .... kosher is the way.
Dickens would agree. doom

====================================================
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Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana

Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
====================================================
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a healthier & safer place.
Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
====================================================
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Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
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====================================================
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====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon
Ares
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:58 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Friction

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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>
> If it is the High Holidays, I would rethink using bacon. Doom
>

Ahh, thanks, Doom.  Always the clear-viewed, logical and balanced one.
What 
was I thinking?  Here I am, directing "A Christmas Carol," with about
1/4 of 
my cast is Jewish, too.   :)

       -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm 


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From: "Stuart Baulch" <the.devil.you.know [at] rogers.com>
Subject: RE: Roadboxes
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:09:58 -0500
Message-ID: <KCEIJIDPMGEOPAHHPAEFMENFCBAA.the.devil.you.know [at] rogers.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>

Sean R. McCarthy asked:
I'm in the need of some cable boxes.  I REALLY liked the ones that Westsun
used to have.  I think they were built by a Canadian company.  Smooth wood,
uber-beefy construction.

Anybody know this company?
http://www.bigdealcases.com/hardwood.htm

But I'm not a fan... seen too many wheels sheered off by crews rushing to
make last call.

I much prefer the injection moulded ones that Christie Lites is using now -
made by Spectrum.
Lighter, more adaptable and cheaper (I think).
http://www.spectrummfg.net/flight.html

Stuart B


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Subject: RE: Paper Drafting
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:14:37 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD93 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Think of it as another crayon in the box.
>=20
> So is it "kray-on" or "cran"?

I say "cran".  My wife calls them "colors". :)

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Message-ID: <001f01c4d6f0$ac7488f0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
References: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Color Coding Fixtures
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:24:18 -0500

I might have asked this before but I forget.
Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or 
similiar Lekos?  I want to see before I just come up with my own.

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu 


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Message-ID: <41AC97D4.2030101 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:55:00 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Personnel Lifts -Again
References: <list-6243433 [at] prxy.net>


Hi List,
So while we are on this topic, we just learned that we will be able to 
fund at least one and maybe two new personnel lifts.  We are pretty well 
informed of the JLG and Genie types of lifts but what we really need is 
a replacement for the old Upright Model 524 Cherry Picker that has been 
in sad shape for years and is not able to be repaired.  The company 
wants nothing to do with these devices any more - probably with good reason.

What we need is something similar though.  Something that will give a 
work platform at about 25 feet.  Something with a footprint that is not 
excessively wide (the 524 was 36" x 72" sans outriggers). Upright does 
now make a rolling scaffold  unit that would do this but one must climb 
up the outside of the thing.  I'd prefer to be climbing up the inside of 
the fame and stepping onto the work platform.  We also need this to be 
light enough to be placed on stage platforms that are usually 
stress-skinned decks on compression legs.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Steve Rees,TD
SUNY-Fredonia


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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:54:58 -0800
Subject: Marley was Dead...
Message-ID: <20041130.075545.1376.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

Dear Jon,
        And what makes you think there weren't Jews in England during the
holiday period when 'A Christmas Carol' as set? <g> Maybe Scrooge didn't
celebrate Christmas because he was Jewish. There is no evidence one way
or the other as to whether Scrooge was 'Converted' as a part of his
'awakening'. All we know is that he was scared sh*tless of what he
saw/dreamt, and wanted to appear to have been 'reformed' to those persons
that he had to interact with, such as family and friends, so he could
enjoy some happiness in his waning years. Is this a humbug? Certainly!
Cynically,
/s/ Richard

 Here I am, directing "A Christmas Carol," with 
> about 1/4 of my cast is Jewish, too.   :)
>        -- Jon Ares

________________________________________________________________
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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <155.44db4db3.2eddf3a0 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:02:40 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


In a message dated 11/30/04 10:58:02 AM, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes:

>        And what makes you think there weren't Jews in England during the
>holiday period when 'A Christmas Carol' as set? <g> Maybe Scrooge didn't
>celebrate Christmas because he was Jewish. There is no evidence one way
>or the other as to whether Scrooge was 'Converted' as a part of his
>'awakening'. All we know is that he was scared sh*tless of what he
>saw/dreamt, and wanted to appear to have been 'reformed' to those persons
>that he had to interact with, such as family and friends, so he could
>enjoy some happiness in his waning years. Is this a humbug? Certainly!
>Cynically,


you may think that your assesment is cynical, , but it's pretty acurate.  for 
all the attempts of regional theatre to make A CHRISTMAS CAROL their 
Nutcracker equivalent cash cow,   it's not a "sweet, little holiday story".  Many 
productions however do everything they can ( in defiance of the original Dickens 
text ) to make it that sort of production, , 

I did a fairly accurate adaptation , , ( adapted and directed ) it years ago, 
, ,   there were those who "hated" it because I took the "joy" out of it, , , 
 well, , it's really not a particually joyfull novella to be truthful, 


wish that there were another piece more suitable for the holiday money making 
needs of regional theatre

very best,

Keith Arsenault


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:16:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD206F1.2485%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6447360 [at] prxy.net>

Well, we've been doing it for 31 years pretty successfully.

Our production is not totally historically accurate,
we include local and regional bits, some pertinent
national political bits, and a wonderful jab at
Clay Aiken, local international "hero".  There is some
Scrooge in all of us and our attempt is to lift
spirits with good music and song.  We seem to have
found a formula that has worked for 31 years.  Want
to see something quite bad watch Kelsey Grammar's
musical TV movie.  That was quite sadly produced.
I felt no emotion for anyone except Kelsey and his
inability to draw us into that movie.  We play to
over 25,000 people a year.  Many use our production
as a "family get-together" to draw them into the season.

Spend Friday after Thanksgiving at the mall and you
all will be ready for our show.

My two cents.

Steve

on 11/30/04 11:02 AM, IAEG [at] aol.com at IAEG [at] aol.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/30/04 10:58:02 AM, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes:
> 
>> And what makes you think there weren't Jews in England during the
>> holiday period when 'A Christmas Carol' as set? <g> Maybe Scrooge didn't
>> celebrate Christmas because he was Jewish. There is no evidence one way
>> or the other as to whether Scrooge was 'Converted' as a part of his
>> 'awakening'. All we know is that he was scared sh*tless of what he
>> saw/dreamt, and wanted to appear to have been 'reformed' to those persons
>> that he had to interact with, such as family and friends, so he could
>> enjoy some happiness in his waning years. Is this a humbug? Certainly!
>> Cynically,
> 
> 
> you may think that your assesment is cynical, , but it's pretty acurate.  for
> all the attempts of regional theatre to make A CHRISTMAS CAROL their
> Nutcracker equivalent cash cow,   it's not a "sweet, little holiday story".
> Many 
> productions however do everything they can ( in defiance of the original
> Dickens 
> text ) to make it that sort of production, ,
> 
> I did a fairly accurate adaptation , , ( adapted and directed ) it years ago,
> , ,   there were those who "hated" it because I took the "joy" out of it, , ,
> well, , it's really not a particually joyfull novella to be truthful,
> 
> 
> wish that there were another piece more suitable for the holiday money making
> needs of regional theatre
> 
> very best,
> 
> Keith Arsenault
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:20:48 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD95 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> wish that there were another piece more suitable for the=20
> holiday money making=20
> needs of regional theatre

There is...if you can get an audience to pay nearly full-price for a
45-minute operetta (that isn't "Achmed and the Camels"--I mean, "Amahl
and the Night Visitors").  It's "Only A Miracle" by Seymour Barab...I
directed it as my senior project in undergrad after reading the libretto
and ROFLMAO in the Buffalo Public Library.

I don't think it's a question of suitability, but of audience
recognition vs. producers' cojones and willingness to take a little
risk...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:20:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD207EC.2486%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6441367 [at] prxy.net>

My color coding with small colored dots on the
sides and top of the yoke:
Red- 50 degree or 4.5 x 6
Yellow- 36 degree or 6 x 9
Green- 6 x 12
Blue- 6 x 16
get the idea!  Don't have anything longer
in inventory.

My cable color coding with tape next to each
cable head:
Red- 5'
Yellow- 10'
Red/Yellow- 15'
Green- 20'
Red/Green- 25'
Blue- 30'
Green/Green- 40'
Don't have anything longer in inventory.

Steve

on 11/30/04 10:24 AM, Rob Carovillano at rcarovil [at] sju.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I might have asked this before but I forget.
> Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or
> similiar Lekos?  I want to see before I just come up with my own.
> 
> Rob Carovillano
> Technical Director
> Bluett Theatre
> Saint Joseph's University
> 610-660-1044
> rcarovil [at] sju.edu 
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:23:39 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD96 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
> > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of=20
> > friction (there are other issues with the bacon).
>=20
>=20
> So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the=20
> stage floor?

Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards.  I'd
recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find
in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these
days.

Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets...<VBG>

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Color Coding Fixtures
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:29:38 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD97 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Not aware of any standards, per se...but we've probably all developed
similar color coding systems at one time or other.

> My color coding with small colored dots on the
> sides and top of the yoke:
> Red- 50 degree or 4.5 x 6
> <snip>
>=20
> My cable color coding with tape next to each
> cable head:
> Red- 5'
> Yellow- 10'
> Red/Yellow- 15'
> Green- 20'
> Red/Green- 25'
> Blue- 30'
> Green/Green- 40'
> Don't have anything longer in inventory.

I've seen comments where the closest thing to a standard for cable is
using resistor color codes, but my experience has been that a large
percentage of stagehand-types (especially students, which is where I've
spent most of my time the past few years) don't find it particularly
intuitive at the ends of the scale.  So I've stuck with a ROYGBIV plan
(though backwards...red is shortest, even though it's the longest
wavelength).  I've used tape on barrel ends based on beam angle and
available inventory, and spray paint on connectors for cable (I find
that tape tends to come off too easily for my taste).

------------------------------

Message-ID: <000401c4d6fa$05aa4730$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
References: <list-6180863 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:13 -0500

Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and 
view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline?

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu 


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Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:46:37 -0500
Message-ID: <DEF9C5FC613BEC46BB08F973317F22A7E94704 [at] email.ncarts.edu>
From: "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>

I wasn't going to go there, but since you've opened the door...

I'm reminded of an old adage told to me by an even older, wiser =
stagehands.

"Don't ever ask a stagehand to lubricate anything unless you're prepared =
to watch your backside."  Or words to that effect, perhaps ummm... =
somewhat courser.

DGB

Dennis Gill Booth
Technical Faculty & Assistant Dean for Operations
=A0 North Carolina School of the Arts=20
=A0 School of Design and Production=20
=A0 1553 South Main Street=20
=A0 PO Box 12189=20
=A0 Winston-Salem, NC=A0=A0 27117-2189=20
* Voice:=A0 (336)770-3232 x105=20
* FAX:=A0=A0 (336)770-3213=20
* Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul =
Schreiner
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:24 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Friction

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>

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> > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing

> > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of=20

> > friction (there are other issues with the bacon).

>=20

>=20

> So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the=20

> stage floor?


Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards.  I'd

recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find

in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these

days.


Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets...<VBG>


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Message-Id: <s1ac5f1d.044 [at] ac3.nesd.k12.pa.us>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:52:23 -0500
From: "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

>Want to see something quite bad watch Kelsey Grammar's
>musical TV movie.  That was quite sadly produced.
>I felt no emotion for anyone except Kelsey and his

My wife and I got through about 20 min. of that movie. That's all we
could stand...



Les Lind, TD
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



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From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" <roadhat [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:53:30 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c4d6fd$20f39200$0300a8c0 [at] Roadbox>
In-Reply-To: <list-6450337 [at] prxy.net>



"I'd recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can =
find
in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these
days. Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets...<VBG>"

In this regard - one of the funniest moments in my theatre career was
sending our props-purchaser to the pharmacy in a very small town to buy =
a
case of KY Jelly to lubricate our UHMW runners. Well, that and the time =
I
accidentally left a tube of the stuff on the lectern in a Synagogue =
after
lubing up the shock-mounts for the goosenecks ...

- J.Minh



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:54:29 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures
Message-id: <41ACA5C5.691C84F5 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net> <list-6441367 [at] prxy.net>

Rob Carovillano wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I might have asked this before but I forget.
> Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or
> similiar Lekos?  I want to see before I just come up with my own.

There is not a documented standard.  When I've done such things I try
to make sure I'm using the same color code as any theatres with whom
I'd swap equipment, just to make it easier to remember.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:00:11 -0500
Message-ID: <C5FA5FEED6F0884E9EB90BB3C010F1EF12EE6588 [at] etsuex1.etsu.edu>
From: "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>

I got though about 25 minutes of it. I thought the costumes were pretty =
nice, but the sets were terrible.   London was never so clean looking =
(not even today).  The lighting was far too "bright and happy."   This =
was not a good production.

-Delbert

Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D.
Professor
Phone: 423-439-7912
=20
=20

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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of LES =
LIND
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:52 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

>Want to see something quite bad watch Kelsey Grammar's
>musical TV movie.  That was quite sadly produced.
>I felt no emotion for anyone except Kelsey and his

My wife and I got through about 20 min. of that movie. That's all we
could stand...



Les Lind, TD
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <6.39685061.2ede031e [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:08:46 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


In a message dated 11/30/04 12:01:00 PM, HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu writes:

> but the sets were terrible.


lots of c g i  "matte" painting, , , 



very best,

Keith Arsenault


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Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:09:43 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD98 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> In this regard - one of the funniest moments in my theatre=20
> career was sending our props-purchaser to the pharmacy in a=20
> very small town to buy a case of KY Jelly to lubricate our=20
> UHMW runners.=20

No wonder theatre people have reputations for, shall we say,
questionable morals.  Between case purchases of K-Y and unlubricated
condoms (especially on tour in those ultra-conservative midwest
towns)...

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Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:12:32 -0800
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B73239A9 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank =
over this?
---------------------------------------------------
>London was never so clean looking (not even today).

=20
=20

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Message-ID: <004201c4d701$c296ac10$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-6455784 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:26:39 -0800

> I got though about 25 minutes of it. I thought the costumes were pretty 
> nice, but the sets were terrible.   London was never so clean looking (not 
> even today).  The lighting was far too "bright and happy."   This was not 
> a good production.
>


I know it was shot in the "made for TV" timeline, but it was apparent that 
the opening and closing (street) scenes were shot on a backlot in full sun. 
I found it particularly humorous in the end scene, as it started to 'snow' 
(some practical plastic flakes on the actors, and the rest digital) - and 
the sun is casting noontime shadows.  They filtered (or digitally filtered) 
the scene to look overcast - sort of a day-for-night look.

    -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm 


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Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FF93 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net ('seanrmc [at] earthlink.net')
Subject: cable boxes
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:33:18 -0800

Sean:

Westsun's gear was purchased (for the most part) by Q1 (in Vancouver).  Call Hermen and he can probably set you down the right path, either buy used cases, or get you where the other ones were made.

Q1 Production Technologies  604-434-6400		www.q1pt.com


Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
University of British Columbia
604-822-2372
604-822-1606 fax
chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca
 


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Message-ID: <E4A88E2C1A02D943A0B743C2B253669C0477FECD [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:39:45 -0700

Don't your actors supply enough?

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares
So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:47:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD21C4C.249A%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6459587 [at] prxy.net>

Shot in Budapest.

Steve

on 11/30/04 12:26 PM, Jon Ares at jonares [at] hevanet.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> I got though about 25 minutes of it. I thought the costumes were pretty
>> nice, but the sets were terrible.   London was never so clean looking (not
>> even today).  The lighting was far too "bright and happy."   This was not
>> a good production.
>> 
> 
> 
> I know it was shot in the "made for TV" timeline, but it was apparent that
> the opening and closing (street) scenes were shot on a backlot in full sun.
> I found it particularly humorous in the end scene, as it started to 'snow'
> (some practical plastic flakes on the actors, and the rest digital) - and
> the sun is casting noontime shadows.  They filtered (or digitally filtered)
> the scene to look overcast - sort of a day-for-night look.
> 
> -- Jon Ares
> Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
> www.hevanet.com/acreative
> http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:50:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD21D29.249B%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6451254 [at] prxy.net>

If I am using a crew to help hang lights,
I color code the plot too.  They then
match dots on instruments with color graphics
on the plot.  Most of these kids don't have
a lot of theatre experience, but learn very
quickly.  I always spend some time at the
beginning of each call teaching them something
that will help during the call.

steve

on 11/30/04 11:29 AM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote:

> I've seen comments where the closest thing to a standard for cable is
> using resistor color codes, but my experience has been that a large
> percentage of stagehand-types (especially students, which is where I've
> spent most of my time the past few years) don't find it particularly
> intuitive at the ends of the scale.  So I've stuck with a ROYGBIV plan
> (though backwards...red is shortest, even though it's the longest
> wavelength).  I've used tape on barrel ends based on beam angle and
> available inventory, and spray paint on connectors for cable (I find
> that tape tends to come off too easily for my taste).
> 
> 


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:52:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Friction
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD21D79.249C%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6450337 [at] prxy.net>

How about butter-flavored PAM?

Steve

on 11/30/04 11:23 AM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>>> That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
>>> bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of
>>> friction (there are other issues with the bacon).
>> 
>> 
>> So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the
>> stage floor?
> 
> Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards.  I'd
> recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find
> in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these
> days.
> 
> Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets...<VBG>
> 
> 


------------------------------

Message-Id: <200411301757.iAUHvIv9089929 [at] a.mail.peak.org>
From: "Elliott Family" <elliott [at] peak.org>
Subject: RE: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:57:13 -0800
In-Reply-To: <list-6451523 [at] prxy.net>

Rob:

Adobe Audition 1.5 (which originated as Cool Edit before Adobe bought it
out) does this. But I suspect just about any of the sound editing
applications can do this. This is available only for PC.

In Audition 1.5 (and in Cool Edit), the mp3 (other supported formats are
listed below) can be viewed as a waveform or as a spectral view, and the
Display Time Formats are as follows:

	Decimal (mm:ss.ddd) displays time in minutes, seconds, and
thousandths of a second.
	Compact Disc 75 fps displays time in the same format utilized by
audio compact discs, where each second equals 75 frames.
	SMPTE 30 fps displays time in the SMPTE format, where each second
equals 30 frames.
	SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps) displays time in the SMPTE drop-frame format,
where each second equals 29.97 frames.
	SMPTE 29.97 fps displays time in the SMPTE non-drop-frame format,
where each second equals 29.97 frames.
	SMPTE 25 fps (EBU) displays time using the standard European frame
rate, where each second equals 25 frames.
	SMPTE 24 fps (Film) displays time in a format where each second
equals 24 frames, suitable for film.
	Samples displays time numerically, using as a reference the actual
number of samples that have passed since the beginning of the edited file.
	Bars and Beats displays time in a musical measures format of
bars:beats:ticks.
	Custom (X frames/sec) displays time in a custom format. 

CUE LISTS can be created by placing markers anywhere in the file and then a
you can name them whatever you want. The list also supports a second field
for further DESCRIPTION.

You can PLAY ANY CUE at will by simply double-clicking on it in the list, or
highlighting it and clicking Auto Play. You can even double-click a cue in
the list over-and-over to create a skipping record effect on the fly.

Other supported sound file formats:

	64-bit doubles (RAW) (.dbl)
	8-bit signed (.sam)
	A/mu-Law Wave (.wav)
	ACM Waveform (.wav)
	Amiga IFF-8SVX (.iff, .svx)
	Apple AIFF (.aif, .snd)
	ASCII Text Data (.txt)
	Audition Loop (.cel)
	Creative Sound Blaster (.voc)
	Dialogic ADPCM (.vox)
	DiamondWare Digitized (.dwd)
	DVI/IMA ADPCM (.wav)
	Microsoft ADPCM (.wav)
	mp3PROR (.mp3)
	NeXT/Sun (.au, .snd)
	SampleVision (.smp)
	Windows Media Audio (.wma)
	Windows PCM (.wav)
	PCM Raw Data (.pcm) (.raw)

Hope this helps. (I've been using this application for over 4 years and love
it. It's extremely easy to use and very powerful.)

John Elliott
Albany Civic Theater (Oregon)



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rob
Carovillano
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Lighting/Music Software

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and 
view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline?

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu 




------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ba.66142047.2ede0eb8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:58:16 EST
Subject: Re: Paper Drafting

In a message dated 30/11/04 12:57:25 GMT Standard Time, 
paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net writes:

> Sorry, but it's not "all" computer drafting.
>  
>  I am certainly not against CAD and use it for space planning as I have
>  mentioned before.  I then go on the boards for elevations.  It's simply
>  faster.  I can also harness the power of orthographic projection while
>  looking at a full 30" x 40" drawing without scrolling.

The one trouble is getting a reasonable size print-out. Unless you have 
access to a large format printer or plotter (A3 at least, and preferably bigger), 
you wind up playing mosaics with several sheets of A4. Very few high street 
shops, in the UK, can handle CAD files, or DXF files.

Personally, as I don't have to deal with densely populated flown bars, I use 
the generic CIE symbols, with a character inside the symbol to define the 
actual lantern type. By ringing changes on the colours of the characters, and with 
a program I wrote some twenty years ago, I can pull the type, dimmer and 
patch information straight off the drawing into Excel, together with phase balance 
and approximate location. Add in a field for 'what's it for' information, and 
all the rigging and plotting information is there. But you do need a big plot.

The symbols are on the screen, out of the printing area and in eight 
orientations. The only trouble is that our inventory changes so often that I have to 
keep re-writing the program. Plus, the plans have now gone metric, so all the 
numbers are wrong. Sometimes, it's easier to do it by hand!


Frank Wood

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Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:11:01 -0500
Message-ID: <C5FA5FEED6F0884E9EB90BB3C010F1EF12EE66A8 [at] etsuex1.etsu.edu>
From: "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>

Ahhhhhhhhh.....

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Professor
Phone: 423-439-7912
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Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank =
over this?
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>London was never so clean looking (not even today).

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <99.52812fc3.2ede131a [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:16:58 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

In a message dated 30/11/04 17:13:29 GMT Standard Time, 
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

> Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank 
over 
> this?
>  ---------------------------------------------------
>  >London was never so clean looking (not even today).

You're safe. To start with, I don't like Dickens, although I have read "A 
Christmas Carol". But it's basically a rathe gloomy work, only lightening up at 
the end.

As for London, it has been much cleaner than it is today. Pepys regarded 
being rowed up the river as a pleasure trip, and salmon frequented the waters 
then. It went downhill after that, perking up a bit when Bazalgette installed a 
better sewage system in the nineteenth century. Alas, this hasn't stood up tho 
the population expansion. It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope 
with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the river, 
including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. Move back 200 years, and 
start again.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

Message-ID: <005c01c4d709$de4d4560$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-6466978 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:24:45 -0800

> It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope
> with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the 
> river,
> including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains.


Welcome to Portland, Oregon, USA, 2004.

      -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm 


------------------------------

From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <86.1c569c7e.2ede15ec [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:29:00 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


In a message dated 11/30/04 1:25:26 PM, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes:

>
>
>> It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope
>
>> with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the
>
>
>> river,
>
>> including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains.
>
>
>
>
>
>Welcome to Portland, Oregon, USA, 2004.


Portland ? ? ?    sounds more like Tampa, ,  if we have a heavy rain during a 
high tide, , the bay backs up into the storm drainage system, , there's no 
where for the water to go, 

not as bad as New Orleans, , 

if you recall me mentioning this back during Hurricane season when I had to 
evacuate, where my house stands ( a mile from the bay ) it was 6 feet under 
water the last time we had a direct hit from a hurricane, , thankfully that was 
in 1921

very best,

Keith Arsenault


------------------------------

From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:45:58 -0800
Message-ID: <002001c4d70c$d676dd30$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6466978 [at] prxy.net>

Go for it Frank. It is your territory. doom

====================================================
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Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
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Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
====================================================
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a healthier & safer place.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:17 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 30/11/04 17:13:29 GMT Standard Time, 
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

> Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with
Frank 
over 
> this?
>  ---------------------------------------------------
>  >London was never so clean looking (not even today).

You're safe. To start with, I don't like Dickens, although I have read
"A 
Christmas Carol". But it's basically a rathe gloomy work, only
lightening up at 
the end.

As for London, it has been much cleaner than it is today. Pepys regarded

being rowed up the river as a pleasure trip, and salmon frequented the
waters 
then. It went downhill after that, perking up a bit when Bazalgette
installed a 
better sewage system in the nineteenth century. Alas, this hasn't stood
up tho 
the population expansion. It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable
to cope 
with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the
river, 
including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. Move back 200
years, and 
start again.


Frank Wood


------------------------------

From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:47:06 -0800
Message-ID: <002101c4d70c$fe6fb690$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-6466072 [at] prxy.net>

Please Del ... I am criticized to the max for one worders ... gosh.
Unless there is some priority of people ... and there is. doom

====================================================
A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public
Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana

Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
====================================================
Risk International & Associates, Inc.  -  Dedicated to making the world
a healthier & safer place.
Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
====================================================
International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA)  -
Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org
====================================================
960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767    Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961
====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Hall,
Delbert L.
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:11 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Ahhhhhhhhh.....

 
Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D.
Professor
Phone: 423-439-7912
 
 

-----Original Message-----

Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank
over this?
---------------------------------------------------
>London was never so clean looking (not even today).

 

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From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: RE: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:51:04 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-6464164 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000006471936 [at] prxy.net>

I too have used Cool Edit for years and still use it and like it.  I wish
Adobe hadn't bought it and made it expensive.  I wasn't aware that you could
annotate the timeline with text.

Jonathan Deull
Edmund Burke School
Washington DC

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Elliott
Family
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:57 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Rob:

Adobe Audition 1.5 (which originated as Cool Edit before Adobe bought it
out) does this. But I suspect just about any of the sound editing
applications can do this. This is available only for PC.

In Audition 1.5 (and in Cool Edit), the mp3 (other supported formats are
listed below) can be viewed as a waveform or as a spectral view, and the
Display Time Formats are as follows:

	Decimal (mm:ss.ddd) displays time in minutes, seconds, and
thousandths of a second.
	Compact Disc 75 fps displays time in the same format utilized by
audio compact discs, where each second equals 75 frames.
	SMPTE 30 fps displays time in the SMPTE format, where each second
equals 30 frames.
	SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps) displays time in the SMPTE drop-frame format,
where each second equals 29.97 frames.
	SMPTE 29.97 fps displays time in the SMPTE non-drop-frame format,
where each second equals 29.97 frames.
	SMPTE 25 fps (EBU) displays time using the standard European frame
rate, where each second equals 25 frames.
	SMPTE 24 fps (Film) displays time in a format where each second
equals 24 frames, suitable for film.
	Samples displays time numerically, using as a reference the actual
number of samples that have passed since the beginning of the edited file.
	Bars and Beats displays time in a musical measures format of
bars:beats:ticks.
	Custom (X frames/sec) displays time in a custom format. 

CUE LISTS can be created by placing markers anywhere in the file and then a
you can name them whatever you want. The list also supports a second field
for further DESCRIPTION.

You can PLAY ANY CUE at will by simply double-clicking on it in the list, or
highlighting it and clicking Auto Play. You can even double-click a cue in
the list over-and-over to create a skipping record effect on the fly.

Other supported sound file formats:

	64-bit doubles (RAW) (.dbl)
	8-bit signed (.sam)
	A/mu-Law Wave (.wav)
	ACM Waveform (.wav)
	Amiga IFF-8SVX (.iff, .svx)
	Apple AIFF (.aif, .snd)
	ASCII Text Data (.txt)
	Audition Loop (.cel)
	Creative Sound Blaster (.voc)
	Dialogic ADPCM (.vox)
	DiamondWare Digitized (.dwd)
	DVI/IMA ADPCM (.wav)
	Microsoft ADPCM (.wav)
	mp3PROR (.mp3)
	NeXT/Sun (.au, .snd)
	SampleVision (.smp)
	Windows Media Audio (.wma)
	Windows PCM (.wav)
	PCM Raw Data (.pcm) (.raw)

Hope this helps. (I've been using this application for over 4 years and love
it. It's extremely easy to use and very powerful.)

John Elliott
Albany Civic Theater (Oregon)



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rob
Carovillano
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Lighting/Music Software

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and 
view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline?

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu 






------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:52:33 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Message-id: <41ACC171.3B979676 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-6466978 [at] prxy.net> <list-6468060 [at] prxy.net>

Jon Ares wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> > It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope
> > with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the
> > river,
> > including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains.
> 
> Welcome to Portland, Oregon, USA, 2004.

And Washington, DC.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

------------------------------

Message-ID: <000201c4d70e$5a89c9b0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
References: <list-6180863 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Weird Type of Plate
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:56:45 -0500

Here is a question.  We currently have a wooden 2x4 construction pit cover 
that is getting pretty questionable.   I would like to replace it with 
another wooden cover since we dont have the welding capability.  I have 
found that with the amount we take it on and off the holes drilled for the 
bolts become stripped very quickly and we then have problems getting the 
bolts back out.  Is there some type of metal plate with holes for screws on 
the corners and a hole for a carriage bolt in the center that could be 
placed over the area to be used.  I have used torque washers in the past but 
they dont seem to last very long either.

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu


------------------------------

Message-ID: <000b01c4d70e$9651e540$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovillano [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-6471940 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:58:32 -0500

I was looking for something priced closer to $free.

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:12:45 -0500
Message-ID: <C5FA5FEED6F0884E9EB90BB3C010F1EF12EE681E [at] etsuex1.etsu.edu>
From: "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>

Randy - I think you are criticized for one word responses that are then =
followed by eighteen lines of signature that includes an advertisements =
for an upcoming workshop that you are doing, your business, and a =
professional association to which you belong.   I think it is more of a =
matter of proportion than simply making a short response.

-Delbert
=20
Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D.
Professor
Phone: 423-439-7912
=20
=20

-----Original Message-----

Please Del ... I am criticized to the max for one worders ... gosh.
Unless there is some priority of people ... and there is. doom

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Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
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In-Reply-To: <list-6238600 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Brandon Slokowski" <bslokowski [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Roadboxes
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:27:35 -0500

The Canadian company that you are thinking of may be Big Deal Custom Cases, 
they are in Winnipeg.  They make some "uber beefy" cases, and they can 
custom build anything.  They do beautiful work.  Check them out at 
www.bigdealcases.com  The exchange rate is a major plus!

Brandon Slokowski

>From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
>Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Roadboxes
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:41:40 -0800 (PST)
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi all....
>
>I'm in the need of some cable boxes.  I REALLY liked the ones that Westsun 
>used to have.  I think they were built by a Canadian company.  Smooth wood, 
>uber-beefy construction.
>
>Anyway:
>
>Anybody know this company?
>
>Anyone have other suggestions?  I'm open to either buying or building 
>(depending on costs).
>
>Boxes need to:
>
>Fit on the lift-gate of an Isuzu city van box truck.
>Fit through standard doors.
>be stackable (probably max 2 high)
>be small enough to be handled by two people (not lifting, or ramp--the big 
>cable boxes from PRG would be way big)
>
>These are for cable.
>
>Thougts?
>
>--Sean
>
>Sean R. McCarthy
>seanrmc [at] earthlink.net



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Subject: Re:Paul Schreiner's lift
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From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:45:36 -0500


"I never use outriggers." said Tom dangerously!

Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041130124740.017ff060 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:47:40
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Roadboxes

>    If they gotta be that small, you may want to consider going to
>industrial plastic storage boxes and some furniture dollies.

Noooooo! Not if you're going to truck these things, anyways.  Plastic boxes
and milk crates are for retailers and dairies.  Give us an idea ither than
bigger than a breadbox, smaller than a PRG (?) cable box.  How would these
be stacked?  Four guys or fork?  Tail of the liftgate, perhaps?
You can buy aluminium extrusions and make your own roadboxes, buy used
fairly cheap, or make angle iron frames and stick baltic birch panels the
spaces.  How much weight per box are you thinking about?  How much of what
kind of cable do you need to store/move?  Give us more detailed problems
and you get more detailed solutions.
Plastic boxes are good for fifteen to twenty pounds *in your venue*, more
if you don't mind replacing them every other month.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <19b601c4d715$1290efb0$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop>
From: "Nigel Worsley" <nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com>
References: <list-6180863 [at] prxy.net> <list-6451523 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:44:57 -0000

Rob Carovillano wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and
> view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline?

Audacity can do this, and it is free!

http://audacity.sourceforge.net

Nigel Worsley


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Subject: Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread
Message-ID: <OF21FBD5E3.A2BEF003-ON85256F5C.006D7000-85256F5C.006D8251 [at] sarasotagov.com>
From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:56:08 -0500


Wow Elliot, that was terrific, thanks.

Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.

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Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041130141816.02d80d00 [at] mail.naisp.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:56:07 -0500
From: "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" <ferreiraj [at] kingphilip.org>
Subject: Re: CAD Text
In-Reply-To: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>

Hello all:

      I am in a rather unique position here.  We have an AutoCAD course 
taught by Paul Riley, the co-author of Discovering AutoCAD 20XX, 
co-authored with Mark Dix and published by Pearson/Prentice Hall.  My tech 
students are taught the basics, then Paul works with them on projects 
geared towards scenic and lighting design.  He has indicated an interest in 
helping them learn Vectorworks and Wysiwyg as a specialized extension of 
his AutoCAD program.  Since a sizable number of my students enroll in the 
tech theatre program at Rhode Island College in Providence, many of them 
start AutoCAD here and continue it there where a business computing 
instructor now offers sections of AutoCAD for theatre techs only.  It has 
become quite a beneficial program between the two schools and has helped 
give my students a leg up in prepping for tech/design careers.  As we are 
just about to start the construction for the new theatre complex and 
creating an honest-to-goodness theatre curriculum, we are jumping into the 
AutoCAD element of design in a big way.  Thankfully, money is being 
appropriated to obtain the Wysiwyg and Vectorworks software as part of the 
theatre outfitting, but in the meantime, I am hoping to start taking 
students to RIC so they can practice on their copies of the programs.

Cordially,
Joe Ferreira



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Subject: Re:Re:  Re: ideas for bums in seats
Message-ID: <OFC4D21BAD.0C135ECC-ON85256F5C.006DDDE5-85256F5C.006E0081 [at] sarasotagov.com>
From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:01:31 -0500


Hey Chris,

How's this: "Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned
errors."  Wish I knew who said it.

Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.

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Message-ID: <058201c4d717$87105270$d39e1518 [at] DonTaco>
From: "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
References: <list-6481207 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:02:31 -0800

> How's this: "Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned
> errors."  Wish I knew who said it.
> 
> Marty Petlock
   

     Thomas Henry Huxley.


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Subject: Technician Position Available
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:07:01 -0500
Message-ID: <DB9E114BBEDEDD448CFB620864279EA4066A37 [at] win2kserverky.vlsoffice.com>
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>

If you or someone you know is interested in the services side of the =
industry, Vincent Lighting Systems has a Field Service Technician =
position open in our Cincinnati (read Northern Kentucky) office.  See =
www.vincentlighting.com/info.shtml#KYS for a general job description and =
contact information.

Thanks for the bandwidth.

Regards,
Paul

***********************************************************
Paul Sanow 			psanow [at] vls.com
Technical Sales			www.vincentlighting.com
Vincent Lighting Systems


1420 Jamike Ln. #2
Erlanger, KY 41018

(859) 525-2000	x211		FAX (859) 525-2050
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Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0AA756FC [at] UCMAIL4>
From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" <WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: RE: Friction
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:10:07 -0500

Not if your working in the Yiddish Theater

Steve Waxler
Technical Director
College Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Ares [mailto:jonares [at] hevanet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:39 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Friction

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
> bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction
> (there are other issues with the bacon).


So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor?

<grin>

       -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative 
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm

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Message-ID: <20041130203536.95142.qmail [at] web14121.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:35:36 -0800 (PST)
From: June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Roadbox

>I'm in the need of some cable boxes.  I REALLY liked
>the ones that Westsun used to have.  I think they
>were built by a Canadian company.  Smooth wood,
uber->beefy construction.

>Anybody know this company?

I believe Westsun's boxes were made by 
Big Deal Cases, a Canadian company that does, indeed,
make smooth uber-beefy cases. They did boxes for
several shows, and also do one-off projects. They do a
lot of standard shapes and sizes, and also a lot of
custom stuff. If you can draw it on a napkin, they can
probably make it happen. I carry a custom road box
that they made for me, and it has taken a lot of abuse
without harm. 

They have a nice website:

www.bigdealcases.com

June Abernathy
IATSE #321
FOH Electrician
The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)




		
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Message-ID: <41ACEE7E.A00F5420 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:04:46 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Friction
References: <list-6450337 [at] prxy.net>



Paul Schreiner wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing
> > > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of
> > > friction (there are other issues with the bacon).
> >
> >
> > So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the
> > stage floor?
>
> Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards.  I'd
> recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find
> in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these
> days.
>
> Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets...<VBG>

    They do sell it in five gallon buckets.   Only you find it in the
electrical parts distributorship under water soluble cable pulling
lubricant.  It's not USP, but it is pretty much the same stuff.
If you really need a lot, you can get it in 55 gallon drums.

    --Dale



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Message-ID: <41ACF037.8040306 [at] hillinteractive.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:12:07 -0500
From: howie <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software
References: <list-6471940 [at] prxy.net> <list-6472959 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-6472959 [at] prxy.net>

Rob Carovillano wrote:

> I was looking for something priced closer to $free.

Audacity is free & does what you want, but you need to run it on a free 
operating system, too (Linux or BSD).

---------------Howie

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Message-ID: <41ACF13B.104A69EF [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:16:27 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate
References: <list-6180863 [at] prxy.net> <list-6472745 [at] prxy.net>



Rob Carovillano wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Here is a question.  We currently have a wooden 2x4 construction pit cover
> that is getting pretty questionable.   I would like to replace it with
> another wooden cover since we dont have the welding capability.  I have
> found that with the amount we take it on and off the holes drilled for the
> bolts become stripped very quickly and we then have problems getting the
> bolts back out.  Is there some type of metal plate with holes for screws on
> the corners and a hole for a carriage bolt in the center that could be
> placed over the area to be used.  I have used torque washers in the past but
> they dont seem to last very long either.
>
> Rob Carovillano
> Technical Director
> Bluett Theatre
> Saint Joseph's University
> 610-660-1044
> rcarovil [at] sju.edu

    I'm having a hard time understanding your question.  Don't have enough
information to give a useful answer.
    How big is the opening you need to cover?  What weight bearing capacity
per square foot do you need to hold?  What kind of finish surface do you
need to present?   Why do you need bolt holes?

    --Dale



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Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20041130141550.01cf8bb8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:36:19 -0800
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Glides
In-Reply-To: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6394125 [at] prxy.net>

I don't think that is true, although it is a common assumption. With 
greater surface contact, the load is spread out more and is therefore less 
at any given point, creating less friction. So, it's a wash really. You 
could cover the entire under-surface of your skid with a sheet of UHMW and 
it would not appreciably change the overall friction of the UHMW against 
Plyron (or whatnot). Your design should place the runners for the greatest 
stability and support of your skid.

Home Depot furniture glides are usually nylon, although I have found a few 
labeled polyethylene. They may be UHMW, but that doesn't mean much to the 
hoipoloi and the manufacturer may simply leave that information out.

At 02:30 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote:
>However, the amount of contact surface area is what will ultimately =
>determine the sliding resistance of the glides, so minimize the surface =
>area of the glides as much as possible and also use as few glides on =
>your wagons as is possible.  UHMW is a low-friction plastic, and not =
>surprisingly, "low-friction" means just that --  Not "NO-friction"!

Loren Schreiber
Director of Production and Technology
School of Theatre, Television and Film
San Diego State University
(619) 594-7711
lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu 


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <110.3dff303a.2ede5644 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:03:32 EST
Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate

In a message dated 30/11/04 18:58:10 GMT Standard Time, rcarovil [at] sju.edu 
writes:

> Here is a question.  We currently have a wooden 2x4 construction pit cover 
>  that is getting pretty questionable.   I would like to replace it with 
>  another wooden cover since we dont have the welding capability.  I have 
>  found that with the amount we take it on and off the holes drilled for the 
>  bolts become stripped very quickly and we then have problems getting the 
>  bolts back out.  Is there some type of metal plate with holes for screws 
on 
>  the corners and a hole for a carriage bolt in the center that could be 
>  placed over the area to be used.  I have used torque washers in the past 
but 
> 
>  they dont seem to last very long either.

It doesn't sound difficult to make. A piece of 4" x 1/4" steel, 4" long. Four 
holes near the corners, and one in the middle with a suitable thread cut in 
it to take the bolts. A fancier solution would be to drill transverse holes, 
and insert steel dowels with tapped transverse holes to take the bolts. This 
would probably be stronger. In my opinion, coach bolts are a big no-no. I have 
used far too much bad language trying to unfasten them.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c4.1b9dfe19.2ede588e [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:13:18 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

In a message dated 30/11/04 19:13:46 GMT Standard Time, HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu 
writes:

> Randy - I think you are criticized for one word responses that are then 
> followed by eighteen lines of signature that includes an advertisements for 
> an upcoming workshop that you are doing, your business, and a professional 
> association to which you belong.   I think it is more of a matter of 
> proportion than simply making a short response.

I, too, have been criticised for over-snipping the messages to which I am 
replying, and it is important that we on the list can make some relation between 
the post and the previous message to which it is a reply.

I was brought up to save bandwidth, so I can see why Randy does this. In the 
days of slower connections, and charged connection time, it was more 
important. But I have to agree that eighteen lines of signature on the end of a 
one-line message is over the top. My signature line is, I hope, commendably short, 
being:-



Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <cf.1cf0da12.2ede5987 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:17:27 EST
Subject: Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread

In a message dated 30/11/04 19:54:44 GMT Standard Time, 
Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes:

> Wow Elliot, that was terrific, thanks.

I'm sure that it was.

However, since neither the subject nor the message content tells me what it 
was about, I remain in darkness, unable to respond. No doubt you are all 
breathing a collective sigh of relief!


Frank Wood

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In-Reply-To: <list-6499381 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6471940 [at] prxy.net> <list-6472959 [at] prxy.net> <list-6499381 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <96E023B6-432B-11D9-B7DD-000D93B4343A [at] cd-romney.com>
From: Jason Romney <jason [at] cd-romney.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:27 -0500

On Nov 30, 2004, at 5:12 PM, howie wrote:

> Audacity is free & does what you want, but you need to run it on a 
> free operating system, too (Linux or BSD).
>
Actually Audacity will run on just about anything including Mac OS X 
and Windows XP. It is quite a capable program for the price.


Jason Romney
Sound Design Instructor
North Carolina School of the Arts
jason [at] cd-romney.com
romneyj [at] ncarts.edu
http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/
http://www.cd-romney.com


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Message-ID: <001d01c4d739$d13c3c70$6401a8c0 [at] desktop>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovillano [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-6505062 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:07:58 -0500

I need to bolt the multiple sections of the pit cover together, if not with 
bolts, what would everyone suggest.  I am trying to find something that will 
last 5-10 years.  Our problem now is the bolts (carriage) stripping the wood 
away and spinning in place when being removed.  Do you think machine bolts 
would be an adequate solution to this problem or could a not so smart 
student still sink them too far into the surface?

Rob Carovillano 


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Message-ID: <000301c4d73a$63da9180$6401a8c0 [at] desktop>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovillano [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-6471940 [at] prxy.net> <list-6472959 [at] prxy.net> <list-6499381 [at] prxy.net> <list-6510992 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:12:05 -0500

And what do you know,  I had audacity and didn't even realize I could do 
this.  Thanks guys.

Rob Carovillano

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Romney" <jason [at] cd-romney.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> On Nov 30, 2004, at 5:12 PM, howie wrote:
>
>> Audacity is free & does what you want, but you need to run it on a free 
>> operating system, too (Linux or BSD).
>>
> Actually Audacity will run on just about anything including Mac OS X and 
> Windows XP. It is quite a capable program for the price.
>
>
> Jason Romney
> Sound Design Instructor
> North Carolina School of the Arts
> jason [at] cd-romney.com
> romneyj [at] ncarts.edu
> http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/
> http://www.cd-romney.com
>
> 


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Subject: RE: Weird Type of Plate
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:11:59 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD9C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I need to bolt the multiple sections of the pit cover=20
> together, if not with=20
> bolts, what would everyone suggest.  I am trying to find=20
> something that will=20
> last 5-10 years. =20

What's supporting the cover pieces on their edges now?  Last pit cover I
had to deal with had the cover sections supported on the US and DS sides
with some 1/4" thick angle iron, and the seams between the individual
cover sections were held up by 1/4" thick lengths of 3" T-bar.  No
bolting required (though there was some mortising involved).

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Message-ID: <001301c4d73a$522ef2a0$95ecbed0 [at] hppav>
From: "Joe Meils" <bipolarber [at] cyberback.com>
References: <list-6506160 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:11:34 -0600

    So, if you feel funny about having a cast for "A Christmas Carol" that's
half jewish, does that mean we (gentiles) can't do "Fiddler on the Roof?"
Damn... and I was sooooo looking forward to auditioning for it... ("If I
were a rich man... yadda dee da dee da dee da doooo....")

Joe


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <12d.50ae1855.2ede6bc4 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:35:16 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


In a message dated 11/30/04 7:14:51 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com writes:

>
>
>    So, if you feel funny about having a cast for "A Christmas Carol" that's
>
>half jewish, does that mean we (gentiles) can't do "Fiddler on the Roof?"
>
>Damn... and I was sooooo looking forward to auditioning for it... ("If
>I
>
>were a rich man... yadda dee da dee da dee da doooo....")
>
>
>
>Joe



Years ago we did a production of LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS, ,  we just didn't 
have any african amercian girls that were up to the parts of the "chorus", , , 
so we cast it with white girls and did it more like the "shirelles", 

the kicker was, , our Jewish shop keeper "Mushnik"  was African American, 

the other footnote to this production was Seymour was played by Scott 
Leonard, better known today as the short blonde lead tenor with ROCKAPELLA 

very best,

Keith Arsenault


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Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20041201003634.00d53504 [at] pop.paonline.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:36:34 -0500
From: Joe <joe [at] dunfee.com>
Subject: Re: CAD Programs

  I've had a bit more of a chance to work with some new CAD programs, so I
can add a bit to some comments I've voluneered in the past;

  There is an AutoCAD clone, called IntelliCAD... but it is not sold
directly to customers. Rather, a software vendor can license the source code
to make their own distrubution package.  It is sold by www.bricscad.com and
www.cadopia.com among others, but those seem the be the big names.  It costs
from $200 to $400 depending on what additional features you want.  I used
the $200 BricsCAD version, and generally it worked very well.  But I did
have enough problems and bugs with the 3d that I had to abandon using it.
You may do better than I, depending on your video card, etc.  There is a
free 30 day trial version.

  The other package, is LT-Extender www.lt-extender.com (about $100).  This
is a 3rd party add-on to AutoCAD LT, which gives it many of the features of
the full version of AutoCAD at a fraction of the cost.  My AutoCAD LT 2002
with LT Extender is actually more reliable than when I was using AutoCAD
full version.  I work exclusively in 3d, so do use all those 3d commands.
However, different versions of AutoCAD LT have different amounts of
functionality with the LT Extendor package because of the way AutoCAD
programed LT.  So, you will have to see if it gives you the commands you
want.  (I think there are a few other 3-rd party providers that have similar
goals)

  Rufus, does your LD Assistant program work with IntelliCAD?  That may be
an option for some people.

  I really like the idea of a single package for both set design and
lighting.  The task of creating in AutoCAd, then creating a simplfied
version that is acceptable to import into WYSIWYG for lighting design is not
a quick process.

  And, while I have a 18 year career with AutoCAD, I will certainly be the
first to say that its 3d ablilities are very limited even when compared to
low-cost CAD packages.   Though I have not used it much, I strongly suspect
that Vectorworks is the best choice for a theater nowdays.

Joe Dunfee  joe [at] dunfee.com
Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.



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Message-ID: <000f01c4d74b$842765b0$640aa8c0 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC>
From: "Randy B." <rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com>
References: <list-6515902 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:14:39 -0600

I need some help locating a source for sheets of cardboard.  Sometime ago I
was able to order sheets of cardboard from Chicago scenic supply in 4x8,
4x10, 4x12 foot sheets in any thickness between 1/4 inch and 1 inch.  Well I
am in need of some and I can no long find Chicago scenic supply.  Anyone
have any other sources.  I am in Milwaukee, Wisconsin so the closer the
better.

thanks

randy B.


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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <193.33ef8777.2ede86a1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:29:53 EST
Subject: Re:  Re: Marley was Dead...

In a message dated 11/30/4 6:14:51 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote:
<<So, if you feel funny about having a cast for "A Christmas Carol" that's 
half jewish, does that mean we (gentiles) can't do "Fiddler on the Roof?">>

Why not??? I once played a "negro sharecropper" in Finian's Rainbow... and 
I'm pale skinned with blonde haired. Got the part because I can scat sing. 

A local high school just did "West Side Story" with the northern European 
"Puerto Ricans". Wish I could convince the local directors to stop using "brown 
face" though. They don't seem to understand just how racist that is considered 
to be.

Kristi

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD298CB.24D9%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6512060 [at] prxy.net>

Machine bolts with TWO washers, one next
to the head and one next to the nut.

Steve

on 11/30/04 7:07 PM, Rob Carovillano at rcarovillano [at] verizon.net wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I need to bolt the multiple sections of the pit cover together, if not with
> bolts, what would everyone suggest.  I am trying to find something that will
> last 5-10 years.  Our problem now is the bolts (carriage) stripping the wood
> away and spinning in place when being removed.  Do you think machine bolts
> would be an adequate solution to this problem or could a not so smart
> student still sink them too far into the surface?
> 
> Rob Carovillano 
> 
> 
> 


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Message-ID: <d983c4a04113021222f534c15 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:22:32 -0800
From: Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com (theatre sound)
Subject: Radio Mic Rental in San Francisco Bay Area

Hi All

Who's got a favourite vendor to rent radio mics from in the SF bay
area? I'm looking for 4 beltpacks, with lav mics, and the receivers
for the last week of february and the first two complete weeks of
march.

Thanks in advance.


-- 
Mat Goebel
Cell: 510.693.1448

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