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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #213

 1. Re: Friction
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
 2. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 3. Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #212
    by Mary Davis <mdavis [at] cascadelight.com>
 4. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 5. Re: Weird Type of Plate
    by "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
 6. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by "Karl G. Ruling" <kruling [at] esta.org>
 7. Re: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
 8. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 9. car on stage
    by "jknipple" <jknipple [at] howardcc.edu>
10. Re: car on stage
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
11. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
12. Re: car on stage
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
13. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
14. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
15. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
16. Re: car on stage
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
17. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
18. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Joe Meils" <bipolarber [at] cyberback.com>
19. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
20. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
21. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
22. Award for the longest signature
    by Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
23. Re: Lighting Graphics
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
24. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
25. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
26. Re: Award for the longest signature
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
27. Re: Bacon grease lube (veering rapidly OT)
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
28. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
29. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
30. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Mike Rock" <rockm [at] new.rr.com>
31. Pit cover connections
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
32. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
33. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Michael Millar <houseomo [at] ix.netcom.com>
34. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
35. Re: car on stage
    by "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
36. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
37. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
38. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
39. Re: ideas for bums in seats
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
40. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
41. Help:  need info on  Circus Gatti/Santa Show
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
42. Re: CAD Programs
    by "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
43. Re: Lighting Graphics
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
44. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
45. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
46. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
47. Re: Help:  need info on  Circus Gatti/Santa Show
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
48. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
49. Re: Marley was Dead...
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
50. Re: Friction
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
51. Re: car on stage
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
52. Re: High density plastic glides
    by "Immel,Patrick" <PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
53. Re: High density plastic glides
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
54. Re: High density plastic glides
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
55. Re: High density plastic glides
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
56. Re: Roadboxes
    by "Marc Palmer" <MPalmer [at] prg.com>
57. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by "Marc Palmer" <MPalmer [at] prg.com>
58. Re: Color Coding Fixtures
    by "Mike Rock" <rockm [at] new.rr.com>
59. Re: Frank Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
60. Re: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
    by "Jared Fortney" <jared_fortney [at] yahoo.com>
61. Re: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
62. Re: car on stage
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
63. Re: Friction, and Color Coding
    by June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:57:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Friction
Message-ID: <20041130.232330.3976.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

        This very slippery dielectric, which often comes in bright
yellow, is sometimes referred as "Elephant Snot' by Electrical
Contractors, and is available at Home Depot and other building supply
stores. The quart size normally comes with a spout, so it can be applied
easily and precisely.  
/s/ Richard

> They do sell it in five gallon buckets. Only you find it in 
> the electrical parts distributorship under water soluble 
> cable pulling lubricant.  It's not USP, but it is pretty much
> the same stuff.
>     --Dale

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Message-ID: <006801c4d78a$bd127a60$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6531942 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:47:12 -0000


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To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


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>
> In a message dated 11/30/4 6:14:51 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote:
> <<So, if you feel funny about having a cast for "A Christmas Carol" that's
> half jewish, does that mean we (gentiles) can't do "Fiddler on the
Roof?">>
>
> Why not??? I once played a "negro sharecropper" in Finian's Rainbow... and
> I'm pale skinned with blonde haired. Got the part because I can scat sing.
>
> A local high school just did "West Side Story" with the northern European
> "Puerto Ricans". Wish I could convince the local directors to stop using
"brown
> face" though. They don't seem to understand just how racist that is
considered
> to be.
>
> Kristi
>
I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such shows as
'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the slaves
etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well. I'd
hazard an observation that over here the typical am-dram company is going to
be populated almost entirely by 'white' casts, which is NOT in any way (in
my 30 years' experience) even mildly racist - just the way it is. But I also
believe that 'blacking up' as it used to be called is NOT racist either. I'm
actually disappointed, Kristi, that you feel it might be.

I see it this way - an actor plays a part, and if the script calls for that
character to be old, we make them up in such a way that a teenager (acting
well enough) could be perceived to be 50 or 60. (Note the word 'perceived').
If a character had lost an arm, say, we could strap that arm under costume
to give the perception that the injury is there. If that character had a
speech defect, then the actor practices and perfects that mannerism so as to
appear authentic. If the character is from another 'white' oriented country
(say, Scots, Irish, Welsh keeping it local to the UK) then an accent is
effected. Does that mean we'll be chastised in future about being non-PC wrt
age-ism, or disabled people? Or that you can't act in an accent that isn't
your own...?

Why, then, does it seem that the PC brigade see fit to jump on skin colour
in this way? I'm sure that if at audition we saw lots of suitable
dark-skinned actors looking to take parts in such shows, there would be an
almighty 'hallelujah!' from many quarters, but realistically, honestly this
just doesn't happen, so where necessary compromises must be made. Sometimes
that means modifying scripts to suit the people available, but where there's
no option to do that, why is it considered so racist for an actor to
'black-up' or even 'yellow-up' whatever when all they're doing is acting a
PART that calls for some suspension of belief in who that person really is
under the makeup?

True, to try to do it the other way around would be more difficult, but
thinking about it it has been done - Eddie Murphy, I think, has done the
black to white thing in at least one movie, and isn't there one out at the
moment where two black cops are turned into two white women....?

Sorry if this turned into a bit of an epic - didn't intend to go on so long!
But it's always been something that irritates the hell out of me when the
attitudes of a minority voice (and I don't mean ethnic minority) can affect
how the masses have to 'behave' just because they believe something 'might'
offend another group.

Ynot



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Message-ID: <93EF15B08F7DD611B4E700C09F06B9BC15A89F [at] dog.cascadelight.local>
From: Mary Davis <mdavis [at] cascadelight.com>
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #212
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:52:15 -0800 

I am out of the office. Please contact Doug Oppedal (for commercial
projects) or Scyller Borglum (for residential projects).

Thank you

Mary Davis
Cascade Lighting Representatives


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Message-ID: <41ADC491.5010706 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:18:09 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate
References: <list-6180863 [at] prxy.net> <list-6472745 [at] prxy.net> <list-6499649 [at] prxy.net>

If I understand his description correctly, he is seeking something like 
a #2042 Square Hole Bolt Plate or a #2045 Threaded Bolt Plate like the 
ones provided by Mutual Hardware Corp.  Other stage hardware suppliers 
would most likely have them as well.  HTH.
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia




>     I'm having a hard time understanding your question.  Don't have enough
> information to give a useful answer.
>     How big is the opening you need to cover?  What weight bearing capacity
> per square foot do you need to hold?  What kind of finish surface do you
> need to present?   Why do you need bolt holes?
> 
>     --Dale
> 



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Subject: RE: Weird Type of Plate
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:27:18 -0500
Message-ID: <DB9E114BBEDEDD448CFB620864279EA40A6D90 [at] win2kserverky.vlsoffice.com>
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>

Rob,

I'm not a carpenter any more, but I have seen the following in the =
McFeely's catalog that addresses the specific problem of the spinning =
carriage bolt:

http://www.mcfeelys.com/subcat.asp?subcat=3D20.18.6
If that link breaks go to mcfeelys.com and look for Torque Washer
I've not used them myself- I'm sure there are others that have =
experience.

My recollection was that we always bolted platforms together with hex =
head bolts, nuts and two washers.  A little discipline and the =
banishment of 12" wrench handles should reduce sinking that assembly too =
deep.

Paul

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Carovillano [mailto:rcarovillano [at] verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:08 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate
> Importance: Low
>=20
>=20

> last 5-10 years.  Our problem now is the bolts (carriage)=20
> stripping the wood=20
> away and spinning in place when being removed.  Do you think=20
> machine bolts=20
> would be an adequate solution to this problem or could a not so smart=20
> student still sink them too far into the surface?

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From: "Karl G. Ruling" <kruling [at] esta.org>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:25:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures
Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org
Message-ID: <41AD8E05.20905.18F298 [at] localhost>
In-reply-to: <list-6595484 [at] prxy.net>

> 
> I might have asked this before but I forget.
> Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or
> similiar Lekos?  I want to see before I just come up with my own.
> 

How about numbers? Even color-blind people can read them. If you 
stick to arabic numerals in base ten, there will be just about no 
learning curve, since most people will have learned that system 
before coming to work in your theatre. 

By the way, these "fixtures" are all portable. Things that are 
fastened in place are fixtures; things that are portable aren't. They 
beat this truth into your head with the first IESNA lighting class. 
Appliances, whether portable or fixed, that light things are 
luminaires.

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:45:25 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
Message-ID: <1393089680.20041201094525 [at] TCON.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
In-Reply-To: <list-6529763 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-6515902 [at] prxy.net> <list-6529763 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy!

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, Randy B. wrote:

RB> I need some help locating a source for sheets of cardboard.
RB> Sometime ago I was able to order sheets of cardboard from Chicago
RB> scenic supply in 4x8, 4x10, 4x12 foot sheets in any thickness
RB> between 1/4 inch and 1 inch.

Do a google search on "Corrugated Paperboard."  There are many
resources.  Be sure that you don't refer to it as "cardboard" though,
because the industry will think you're a doofus if you do.  They
consider "Cardboard" to be the brown stuff at the back of a pad of
paper.

Best regards,
 Frank E. Merrill
 MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
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 Indianapolis  
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Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:52:57 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD9D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I see it this way - an actor plays a part, and if the script=20
> calls for that character to be old, we make them up in such a=20
> way that a teenager (acting well enough) could be perceived=20
> to be 50 or 60. (Note the word 'perceived'). <snip>
>=20
> Why, then, does it seem that the PC brigade see fit to jump=20
> on skin colour in this way?=20

Part of the problem, especially in the USA, is with the history of
blackface and its usage on stage, particularly in vaudeville.  Minstrel
shows, with white actors wearing very exaggerated blackface, were rather
racist (and humiliatingly so...that was where the "humor" was for the
white audience's entertainment).  So despite Olivier's Othello, a lot of
people still have a mentality of "we don't do that sort of thing" when
it comes to changing skin colors of performers.

Unfortunately, some of us in the business--though we may agree with you
entirely as far as the principle of the thing goes--know that there are
just enough audience members over here racist enough to preclude the use
of makeup for this sort of thing.

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Subject: car on stage
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:17:29 -0500
Message-ID: <AA692554B034A84D977E17CD1E1C1569014CBA6A [at] ex2000.hccnet.howardcc.edu>
From: "jknipple" <jknipple [at] howardcc.edu>

I work at a professional theater in residence at a community college.
The theater is also the home of church on Sundays. This year, for the
Christmas show, the church wants to bring an actual car on stage. I'm
checking on whether the stage floor can handle the weight (I don't
actually know what kind of car yet), but our loading doors are big
enough to fit a car through. Other than that, does anyone know what
issues this raises with the actual car? Does it need to be drained of
gas and oil? Other fluids? Other issues?

Thanks!

Jim

James Knipple=20
Technical Director
REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage
Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College=20
- www.howardcc.edu/studentarts
jknipple [at] howardcc.edu
410-772-4451



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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:48:46 -0500
Subject: Re: car on stage
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BDD3520D.1A21%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6640344 [at] prxy.net>

on 12/1/04 10:17 AM, jknipple at jknipple [at] howardcc.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I work at a professional theater in residence at a community college.
> The theater is also the home of church on Sundays. This year, for the
> Christmas show, the church wants to bring an actual car on stage. I'm
> checking on whether the stage floor can handle the weight (I don't
> actually know what kind of car yet), but our loading doors are big
> enough to fit a car through. Other than that, does anyone know what
> issues this raises with the actual car? Does it need to be drained of
> gas and oil? Other fluids? Other issues?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jim
> 
> James Knipple 
> Technical Director
> REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage
> Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College
> - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts
> jknipple [at] howardcc.edu
> 410-772-4451
> 
> 
Jim.  You have to check with your fire marshal on this one.  Find out what
their requirements are for this sort of thing and then do what they say.  Do
not cheat.  gas fires onstage are not fun.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:50:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD33D3F.24ED%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6595485 [at] prxy.net>

Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
where you tread!

Steve

on 12/1/04 4:47 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:

> I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such shows as
> 'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the slaves
> etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well.

> 
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:51:51 -0500
Subject: Re: car on stage
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD352C7.24F4%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6640344 [at] prxy.net>

To comply with the fire marshal, most auto dealers
are required to disconnect the battery while the
cars are on the display floor.  Might check with
your local fire marshal.

Steve

on 12/1/04 10:17 AM, jknipple at jknipple [at] howardcc.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I work at a professional theater in residence at a community college.
> The theater is also the home of church on Sundays. This year, for the
> Christmas show, the church wants to bring an actual car on stage. I'm
> checking on whether the stage floor can handle the weight (I don't
> actually know what kind of car yet), but our loading doors are big
> enough to fit a car through. Other than that, does anyone know what
> issues this raises with the actual car? Does it need to be drained of
> gas and oil? Other fluids? Other issues?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jim
> 
> James Knipple 
> Technical Director
> REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage
> Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College
> - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts
> jknipple [at] howardcc.edu
> 410-772-4451
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:57:50 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Message-id: <41ADE9FE.670DA42 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-6644049 [at] prxy.net>

Steve Larson wrote:
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
> as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
> where you tread!

I believe Tony's point was that placing *anything* above acting
ability when casting would lead to an inferior show.  Financial
status, relationship to the director, etc...

Steve L.

--
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:31:06 -0800
Message-ID: <009101c4d7c3$28fd4ce0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-reply-to: <list-6506160 [at] prxy.net>

Frank: all excellent comments. I shall work on your critiques. Doom

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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 3:13 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

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In a message dated 30/11/04 19:13:46 GMT Standard Time,
HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu 
writes:

> Randy - I think you are criticized for one word responses that are
then 
> followed by eighteen lines of signature that includes an
advertisements for 
> an upcoming workshop that you are doing, your business, and a
professional 
> association to which you belong.   I think it is more of a matter of 
> proportion than simply making a short response.

I, too, have been criticised for over-snipping the messages to which I
am 
replying, and it is important that we on the list can make some relation
between 
the post and the previous message to which it is a reply.

I was brought up to save bandwidth, so I can see why Randy does this. In
the 
days of slower connections, and charged connection time, it was more 
important. But I have to agree that eighteen lines of signature on the
end of a 
one-line message is over the top. My signature line is, I hope,
commendably short, 
being:-



Frank Wood


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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:32:20 -0800
Message-ID: <009401c4d7c3$54dada80$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-reply-to: <list-6474746 [at] prxy.net>

Well taken. I shall accept the sanctions and revise. Doom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Hall,
Delbert L.
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

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Randy - I think you are criticized for one word responses that are then
followed by eighteen lines of signature that includes an advertisements
for an upcoming workshop that you are doing, your business, and a
professional association to which you belong.   I think it is more of a
matter of proportion than simply making a short response.

-Delbert
 
Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D.
Professor
Phone: 423-439-7912
 
 

-----Original Message-----

Please Del ... I am criticized to the max for one worders ... gosh.
Unless there is some priority of people ... and there is. doom

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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: car on stage
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:32:06 -0700

Of course, EVERYONE has a different opinion on the gas tank.  Some like 
it full, some like it empty. Myself, I prefer all full.  Of course that 
does not mean anything if the Fire Marshal or AHJ wants it empty.

Anymore, the fuel systems are pretty much sealed, but an older car 
presents a different set of problems.

I once had to drive out most of the fuel on a  Volvo that was newer 
than new.  Nothing like putting a hundred plus miles on the show car 
that had been flown in for the occasion.  only the have the assistant 
Fire Marshall's boss tell us to top off the tanks, and tape the the 
filler cap shut.

We left everything connected, as the cars were being driven around 
during the show.


Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


On Dec 1, 2004, at 8:17 AM, jknipple wrote:

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> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I work at a professional theater in residence at a community college.
> The theater is also the home of church on Sundays. This year, for the
> Christmas show, the church wants to bring an actual car on stage. I'm
> checking on whether the stage floor can handle the weight (I don't
> actually know what kind of car yet), but our loading doors are big
> enough to fit a car through. Other than that, does anyone know what
> issues this raises with the actual car? Does it need to be drained of
> gas and oil? Other fluids? Other issues?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim
>
> James Knipple
> Technical Director
> REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage
> Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College
> - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts
> jknipple [at] howardcc.edu
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>
>


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Message-ID: <00f201c4d7c3$8d443ab0$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6644049 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:33:51 -0000

Ooooh!!!

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
Did I say NO!!?

Of course not, in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite - there is a
definite timbre to a good quality African origin bass voice that eludes many
similarly talented voices of European ethnicity. It's not that it's better
but more right.
BUT the problem is that most UK societies tend to be predominantly white,
thus to produce something like Showboat then certain cast members would have
to be blacked-up by definition (in a traditional rendition) otherwise it
just wouldn't look right. What I meant below was that it is still a shame
that it can't be done by use of make-up to give the impression of a coloured
person when the songs etc can still have justice done by them either way.
May not sound as good as a real deep-south type singing 'Ol Man River' but
I've heard some fair renditions in the past.

Ynot


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
> as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
> where you tread!
>
> Steve
>
> on 12/1/04 4:47 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
>
> > I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such shows
as
> > 'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the
slaves
> > etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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Message-ID: <002301c4d7c4$86db5720$64ecbed0 [at] hppav>
From: "Joe Meils" <bipolarber [at] cyberback.com>
References: <list-6637408 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:40:53 -0600

    Imagine how difficult it would be to cast many shows if you could only
use actuals members of a race in certain parts... Star Trek would be totally
screwed!
    Seriously, this crap has been around a long time. I rememebr a lot of
the controversy over white actors being used in Miss Sigon. There's no
simple, easy answer, except to say that the route a show goes will depend on
the producer/director's creative choices.

Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


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> I see it this way - an actor plays a part, and if the script
> calls for that character to be old, we make them up in such a
> way that a teenager (acting well enough) could be perceived
> to be 50 or 60. (Note the word 'perceived'). <snip>
>
> Why, then, does it seem that the PC brigade see fit to jump
> on skin colour in this way?

Part of the problem, especially in the USA, is with the history of
blackface and its usage on stage, particularly in vaudeville.  Minstrel
shows, with white actors wearing very exaggerated blackface, were rather
racist (and humiliatingly so...that was where the "humor" was for the
white audience's entertainment).  So despite Olivier's Othello, a lot of
people still have a mentality of "we don't do that sort of thing" when
it comes to changing skin colors of performers.

Unfortunately, some of us in the business--though we may agree with you
entirely as far as the principle of the thing goes--know that there are
just enough audience members over here racist enough to preclude the use
of makeup for this sort of thing.


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:46:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD35F78.24FF%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6648348 [at] prxy.net>

Does that apply to Catford?

Steve

on 12/1/04 11:33 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Ooooh!!!
> 
> NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
> Did I say NO!!?
> 
> Of course not, in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite - there is a
> definite timbre to a good quality African origin bass voice that eludes many
> similarly talented voices of European ethnicity. It's not that it's better
> but more right.
> BUT the problem is that most UK societies tend to be predominantly white,
> thus to produce something like Showboat then certain cast members would have
> to be blacked-up by definition (in a traditional rendition) otherwise it
> just wouldn't look right. What I meant below was that it is still a shame
> that it can't be done by use of make-up to give the impression of a coloured
> person when the songs etc can still have justice done by them either way.
> May not sound as good as a real deep-south type singing 'Ol Man River' but
> I've heard some fair renditions in the past.
> 
> Ynot
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
> 
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
>> as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
>> where you tread!
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> on 12/1/04 4:47 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such shows
> as
>>> 'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the
> slaves
>>> etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Message-ID: <011e01c4d7c6$e6961b30$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6649629 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:57:51 -0000

Huh...????!!!!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Does that apply to Catford?
>
> Steve
>
> on 12/1/04 11:33 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Ooooh!!!
> >
> > NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
> > Did I say NO!!?
> >
> > Of course not, in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite - there is a
> > definite timbre to a good quality African origin bass voice that eludes
many
> > similarly talented voices of European ethnicity. It's not that it's
better
> > but more right.
> > BUT the problem is that most UK societies tend to be predominantly
white,
> > thus to produce something like Showboat then certain cast members would
have
> > to be blacked-up by definition (in a traditional rendition) otherwise it
> > just wouldn't look right. What I meant below was that it is still a
shame
> > that it can't be done by use of make-up to give the impression of a
coloured
> > person when the songs etc can still have justice done by them either
way.
> > May not sound as good as a real deep-south type singing 'Ol Man River'
but
> > I've heard some fair renditions in the past.
> >
> > Ynot
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
> > To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
> >
> >
> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
> >> as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
> >> where you tread!
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> on 12/1/04 4:47 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such
shows
> > as
> >>> 'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the
> > slaves
> >>> etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:59:33 -0800
Message-ID: <00b501c4d7c7$225906a0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-reply-to: <list-6649232 [at] prxy.net>

Gosh, it has been some year since I directed, some five hundred
productions over more years than I can count ... but I would cast the
talent. I once had a young black lady who was truly a great actress, I
cast her as the the Mother In I Remember Mama ... ran well for many
performances. I did not have a single comment about her color .. and the
rest of the cast was white. Damn good show. I did the same in  Royal
Hunt of the Sun with 200 performers ... a black man as De Soto the
explorer ... only got great comments. Move forward. Doom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Meils
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:41 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

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---------------------------------------------------

    Imagine how difficult it would be to cast many shows if you could
only
use actuals members of a race in certain parts... Star Trek would be
totally
screwed!
    Seriously, this crap has been around a long time. I rememebr a lot
of
the controversy over white actors being used in Miss Sigon. There's no
simple, easy answer, except to say that the route a show goes will
depend on
the producer/director's creative choices.

Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


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---------------------------------------------------

> I see it this way - an actor plays a part, and if the script
> calls for that character to be old, we make them up in such a
> way that a teenager (acting well enough) could be perceived
> to be 50 or 60. (Note the word 'perceived'). <snip>
>
> Why, then, does it seem that the PC brigade see fit to jump
> on skin colour in this way?

Part of the problem, especially in the USA, is with the history of
blackface and its usage on stage, particularly in vaudeville.  Minstrel
shows, with white actors wearing very exaggerated blackface, were rather
racist (and humiliatingly so...that was where the "humor" was for the
white audience's entertainment).  So despite Olivier's Othello, a lot of
people still have a mentality of "we don't do that sort of thing" when
it comes to changing skin colors of performers.

Unfortunately, some of us in the business--though we may agree with you
entirely as far as the principle of the thing goes--know that there are
just enough audience members over here racist enough to preclude the use
of makeup for this sort of thing.


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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:06:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
Subject: Award for the longest signature
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...goes to Dr. Doom! ;-)

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>
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> ====================================================
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> a healthier & safer place.
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> ====================================================
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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041201100746.017fa7a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:07:46
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics

>I was 
>required to go through my 4 calculus classes and even some of my physics 
>classes without the aid of a calculator. While not all that practical as 
>we (the students often argued) I do have to say it's nice knowing how to do.

Knowing how to work formulae ona calculator is a skill.  Knowing how to do
math is another, related but different, skill.  The temp at which water
boils and freezes has come up a few times (oddly too many) recently, and I
am amazed at just how many people *don't* know thes 'trivia'.  While
educating a friend of mine I tried to walk him through the conversion of
the 100 degree centigrade to farenheit.  He couldn't multiply 100 by 1.8
without a calculator.
The ability to work with numbers in your head is the ability to think in
the language of science, the language of nature.  The ability to run a
calculator or a computer program isn't even a close second.   I'm not sure
what's different about the teachers today and the ones I hung out with, but
something is very, very wrong.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <012601c4d7c8$034374c0$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6651062 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:05:48 -0000

My point is that outside influences are telling us who can and can't
perform, in effect.

Ynot


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Gosh, it has been some year since I directed, some five hundred
> productions over more years than I can count ... but I would cast the
> talent. I once had a young black lady who was truly a great actress, I
> cast her as the the Mother In I Remember Mama ... ran well for many
> performances. I did not have a single comment about her color .. and the
> rest of the cast was white. Damn good show. I did the same in  Royal
> Hunt of the Sun with 200 performers ... a black man as De Soto the
> explorer ... only got great comments. Move forward. Doom
>
> ====================================================
> A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public
> Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel -
> Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc.    April 4, 5, 6,
> 2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana
>
> Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops
> ====================================================
> Risk International & Associates, Inc.  -  Dedicated to making the world
> a healthier & safer place.
> Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com
> ====================================================
> International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA)  -
> Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts.
> Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org
> ====================================================
> 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767    Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961
> ====================================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Meils
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:41 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>     Imagine how difficult it would be to cast many shows if you could
> only
> use actuals members of a race in certain parts... Star Trek would be
> totally
> screwed!
>     Seriously, this crap has been around a long time. I rememebr a lot
> of
> the controversy over white actors being used in Miss Sigon. There's no
> simple, easy answer, except to say that the route a show goes will
> depend on
> the producer/director's creative choices.
>
> Joe
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > I see it this way - an actor plays a part, and if the script
> > calls for that character to be old, we make them up in such a
> > way that a teenager (acting well enough) could be perceived
> > to be 50 or 60. (Note the word 'perceived'). <snip>
> >
> > Why, then, does it seem that the PC brigade see fit to jump
> > on skin colour in this way?
>
> Part of the problem, especially in the USA, is with the history of
> blackface and its usage on stage, particularly in vaudeville.  Minstrel
> shows, with white actors wearing very exaggerated blackface, were rather
> racist (and humiliatingly so...that was where the "humor" was for the
> white audience's entertainment).  So despite Olivier's Othello, a lot of
> people still have a mentality of "we don't do that sort of thing" when
> it comes to changing skin colors of performers.
>
> Unfortunately, some of us in the business--though we may agree with you
> entirely as far as the principle of the thing goes--know that there are
> just enough audience members over here racist enough to preclude the use
> of makeup for this sort of thing.
>
>



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <d9.1ad0b023.2edf542e [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:06:54 EST
Subject: Re:  Re: Marley was Dead...

In a message dated 12/1/4 9:58:39 AM, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu wrote:
<<I believe Tony's point was that placing *anything* above acting ability 
when casting would lead to an inferior show.  Financial status, relationship to 
the director, etc...>>

We always place something above acting ability when we cast shows. We cast 
based on gender, age, and appearance before ability EVERY time! Look at any 
audition listing... it tells the sex, age, and general characteristics of the 
person wanted for that role. Many postings specify a race. In most auditions, if 
you don't have "the look" the director wants, you don't even get to read. To my 
knowledge, the entertainment industry is the only one in the USA that gets 
away with that kind of discrimination in hiring.

To answer Tony's reply...  it's a USA cultural thing that came down from the 
minstrel shows which were popular in the mid - late 1800s. Blacks performed, 
white men "corked" their faces to lampoon them, then blacks would cork to make 
fun of the whites making fun of them. It's now considered racist for a white 
person to impersonate another race and vice versa. 

In my area of the US, racism often comes from ignorance. It's not 
intentional; it's naive. "Daddy hated them so I will too even thought I don't know them." 
For a TEACHER to teach that it's OK to be naive or racist is unethical, IMHO.

Kristi

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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Award for the longest signature
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:11:33 -0800
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In-reply-to: <list-6651520 [at] prxy.net>

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:12:00 -0500
Subject: Re:  Bacon grease lube (veering rapidly OT)
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BDD36590.1647%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

We just finished a production of Israel Zangwill's _The Melting Pot_, first
produced in 1908, which is about the experiences of a family of Jewish
immigrants at the turn of the century.  One character is the Irish maid
working for the family (the show's chock full of stereotypes, but what can
ya do).  She has problems adapting to the strictures under which her
employers live and has the following conversation with her employer, Mendel
Quixano, a piano teacher (verbatim from the script):

KATHLEEN:  ...Mate plates, butther plates, kosher, trepha, sure I've smashed
up folks' crockery and they makin' less fuss ouver it.

MENDEL [Stops playing.]:  Breaking crockery is one thing, and breaking
religion another.  Didn't you tell me when I engaged you that you had lived
in other Jewish familes?

KATHLEEN [Angrily]:  And is it a liar ye'd make of me now?  I've lived wid
clothiers and pawnbrokers and Vaudeville actors, but I niver shtruck a house
where mate and butther couldn't be as paceable on the same plate as eggs and
bacon - the most was that some wouldn't ate the bacon onless 'twas killed
kosher.

For the record, whenever we use bacon grease to lube our stages, we make
sure the pig 'twas killed kosher.  Shure and isn't it a liar I'd be if it
tweren't so?

-  Jim Dougherty 
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:12:28 -0500
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BDD365AC.4759%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6595484 [at] prxy.net>

> Please Del ... I am criticized to the max for one worders ... gosh.
> Unless there is some priority of people ... and there is. doom

    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you've received as much
criticism for "One worders" as for the excessive "Other junk" that follows
your posts. (18 lines of "Signature" and unedited quoting.) Chris offers
lessons on that ;-)

-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041201102601.017fa7a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:26:01
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...

> London was never so clean looking =
>(not even today). 

Stephen King's movie is shooting downtown Tucson this week for downtown
somewhere in war-torn Viet-Nam in the sixties.  They had to clean Tucson up
to make it work...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <003101c4d7ca$d3be82a0$80fea8c0 [at] Fred>
From: "Mike Rock" <rockm [at] new.rr.com>
References: <list-6652402 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:26:00 -0600

The makeup used is far from what it what it was when the actors where
possing as Sambos and the like. I took pictures of West Side Story but the
quality is lacking, so lighting and set look allright but makeup is just a
bunch of pixels.


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:34:47 -0500
Subject: Pit cover connections
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BDD36AE7.164A%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

As someone else has posted, machine bolts with washers on each side are a
good way to go.  If they aren't being used to actually support the
platforms, coffin locks are fast and can be done from above the cover
instead of underneath, but I'd guess that's been considered.

Frank Wood mentioned cross-boring and threading metal rod - these are
available commercially, and are called cross dowels in the catalogs I've
seen them.  They're commonly used for knock-down furniture.  It doesn't
sound like they would work too well in your application, though, in that the
alignment issues would be a problem.

Two other possibilities come to mind.  First, the Gerriet's triple-E hinges
have a square hole that would take a 1/4" carriage bolt shank.  They can't
spin out or let the bolt sink into the wood, so if it was worth the expense
you could put those over the existing holes in the 2x4.  On the inexpensive
side, for materials at least, a hole could be drilled in a mending plate or
connector plate similar to those used on wooden trusses, and it could be
screwed over the existing holes to serve as a permanenty attached washer for
use with machine bolts.  The plates are available at the big box home redo
stores.  They would need to be drilled, but that's easier and cheaper than
tapping threads and screw holes into steel plate or flat stock.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041201105054.017fa7a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:50:54
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

> if we have a heavy rain during a 
>high tide, , the bay backs up into the storm drainage system, , there's no 
>where for the water to go, 

What is this 'storm drainage system' you speak of.  Don't torrential rains
just run down the center of the city streets, like here?  I have a twenty
foot wide, six foot deep concrete lined ditch in front of my house (site of
the 2AM Caddilac street jumping contest) and the street still runs ten
inches deep if it rains hard.  The funniest thing is that it'll start to
fill my yard before it starts to fill the ditch!  Even funnier is watching
the native arizonans drive in the wet.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <41AE080F.8050606 [at] ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:06:07 -0800
From: Michael Millar <houseomo [at] ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

I've always appreciated the irony of working thru Thanksgiving and 
Christmas on 'A Christmas Carol' while the administration gets to spend 
leisurely time off during these holidays.  Humbug, anyone?

Michael Millar
Cheerfully in corporate theatre-land where there are few meetings during 
the holidays.

and here's a poor attempt at a Tom Swifty:

"She left me because I used to beat her", Tom expounded.


btw, any good shows in Atlanta this weekend?  I'll be visiting this 
purportedly great city for the first time for a few days with the AMA. 
Would appreciate any tips on entertainment and good dining experiences.

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041201110643.017fa7a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:06:43
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...

>I think it is more of a =
>matter of proportion than simply making a short response.

Nice, but no cookie.  The criticism comes from those of us who have to wade
through the lot of crap that gets re-re-reposted because some of the lot of
you refuse to learn anything new.  Like how to re-post only what is
relavent to your reply.  One word responses would be somewhat acceptable if
only we knew what that word was in response to.  
Doom, I love you like a maiden aunt, but I tend to zoom right through your
posts and on to the next.  Too much work trying to find the kernal of wheat
in all that chaff.  Sorry brother, but until you can get rid of the huge
sig and include only one post in its entirety with sigs and headers, you
just exist as noise.
Look, as my sig says, I'll teach for free, or at least cheap.  It's a
simple process, and a courtesy to those on the list, and on the list of dos
at the stagecraft site (which is not coming up right now, Noah?) 
Why would we take your advice on any subject if you can't extend us the
courtesy of making it easy to find/read?  Why should we trust your
judgement on rigging, safety, lights sound or anything if you cannot take
the time to learn how to post in a friendly, concise manner?
If your post has the phrase, 'Original Message' more than once, I'm
probably not interested in what you had to say anyways..
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Subject: RE: car on stage
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:05:31 -0600
Message-ID: <721DC9EE550F834A92EC08BDC332B0EE0160842D [at] trader.river.idm.com>
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>

You might also need to adjust (or replace) the headlights, depending on =
the angle of the car and whether they'll be used or not.  We used a =
piece of car for Grease years ago in HS, and found we had to change the =
headlights as they were way too bright and tightly focused.


- Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com)
---------------------------
http://www.stagelights.info

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Message-Id: <s1adc228.020 [at] ac3.nesd.k12.pa.us>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:07:19 -0500
From: "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

Snip
>We always place something above acting ability when we cast shows. We
cast 
based on gender, age, and appearance before ability EVERY time! Look at
any 
audition listing... it tells the sex, age, and general characteristics
of the 
person wanted for that role. Many postings specify a race. In most
auditions, if 
you don't have "the look" the director wants, you don't even get to
read. To my 
knowledge, the entertainment industry is the only one in the USA that
gets 
away with that kind of discrimination in hiring.
>snip

Then why hold auditions?...
I directed a community musical this summer and cast the leading lady.
Never met the girl before. As soon as she stepped on stage to read
during auditions I knew she was it. And she looked the part.  Boy, now
only if she can sing. Her singing wasn't as good as others but with some
vocal coaching she was just fine.  I'm sure the other girls may have
done the part satisfactorily. Should I have not cast her in the role and
selected someone who could have sung better? Not trying to start
anything here. This was my first show, however first impressions from an
auditioner has a lot going for it. 
(sitting back and scratching my head)
Les

Les Lind, TD
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



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Message-ID: <E4A88E2C1A02D943A0B743C2B253669C04780019 [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:12:54 -0700 

Yes, the "look" is important, but not before ability.  Hell, that is why we have make-up, costumes, and a thing called "acting".  Would I cast a 50 year old man as the sexy secretary in "The Producers", no, but I sure would cast the best actor as "Max" even if he was Gentile, black or brown or young or old, maybe even female and have little old men dancing with walkers.  Yes, my casting calls list the age and gender thing and ideally the acting ability is there.  When it ain't, I always cast for acting ability and work on the "look" later.

Don't know about your audiences, but I have worked many different venues around the country and I have never had an audience walk out because of casting a good actor no matter what he/she "looks" like.

Chip Wood

PS:  Rethinking the 50 year old man, I have seen some pretty good-looking female impersonators.  Hey, why not?  Think "la Cage"

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com
We always place something above acting ability when we cast shows. We cast based on gender, age, and appearance before ability EVERY time! 

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041201113251.0206d7c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:32:51
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re:  Re: Marley was Dead...

>Why not??? I once played a "negro sharecropper" in Finian's Rainbow... and 
>I'm pale skinned with blonde haired. Got the part because I can scat sing. 

When I moved to Tucson, I didn't have much of a plan, and ended up doing an
'acting' gig at one of the local resorts.  A cavalry and indians
re-enactment for visiting tourists.  I (the white blond nordic guy) played
an indian in a loincloth and bone chest armor, and my buddy (half black,
half native american with long black hair) played a cavalry troop.  Seems
the noobs played indians running half-naked in the desert November night,
and old hands got to play dressed up to the nines on horses.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041201113313.017fa7a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:33:13
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re:Re:  Re: ideas for bums in seats

>"Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned
>errors."

Thanks, Marty, I was wondering what was going to go on the other side of
the bumper!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ff.7bc0929.2edf69fa [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:39:54 EST
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...

In a message dated 01/12/04 09:49:03 GMT Standard Time, 
deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes:

> I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such shows as
>  'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the slaves
>  etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well. I'd
>  hazard an observation that over here the typical am-dram company is going 
to
>  be populated almost entirely by 'white' casts, which is NOT in any way (in
>  my 30 years' experience) even mildly racist - just the way it is. But I 
also
>  believe that 'blacking up' as it used to be called is NOT racist either. 
I'm
>  actually disappointed, Kristi, that you feel it might be.

It's certainly frowned on. But, the last time I saw Verdi's "Otello" at 
Covent Garden, Placido Domingo had a much darker complexion than usual.

It works both ways, of course. What Richard Wagner would have thought of a 
black Klingsor in his "Parsifal" (Willard White) I don't know. Opera, worldwide, 
draws on a small pool of principals. The first requirement is that you can 
sing the role, and the second that you are available at the right time. I've 
also seen him as 'The Flying Dutchman', and, of course, as 'Porgy'.

Frank Wood

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Subject: Help:  need info on  Circus Gatti/Santa Show
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:43:18 -0800
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B73239AD [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Has anyone ever worked the "Santa Show" produced by Circus Gatti?  I'm =
flying blind here, folks- They were booked into my space for next week =
as a fundraiser for the local police association, and the "organizer" is =
on vacation...

-- r.
Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

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Reply-To: <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
From: "Rufus" <rufus [at] ldassistant.com>
Subject: RE: CAD Programs
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:54:38 -0600
Message-ID: <000b01c4d7d7$35552710$6400a8c0 [at] PC123093183111>
In-reply-to: <list-6515902 [at] prxy.net>

I know this is long and so please except my apologies from the start.

Each person as to decide for them selves what will work best for their
application. We are well aware of the programs that you mention, and a
few more that was not. A company in China is offering a product that may
out perform the ones you mention and it's only $20.00. 

We found them all to have short comings and not as easy or compatible as
was stated.

That is one of the reasons we chose to work with Autodesk. With over six
million users and over four million students graduating each year with
AutoCAD as part of their curriculum, it is easy to see why other
programs want to say . hay we are AutoCAD compatible.

Did I mention there is over one million blocks available for AutoCAD/LD
Assistant. That's right one million, if you need a AK-47, 747 airplane
or the Chrysler building they have all ready been drawn and are free for
the taking. No wonder.

I guess if some one wanted to reinvent the wheel, and was proficient in
the programming language that the programs supported, it mite be one way
to go. But I am sure, it would take more that a few years to bring then
to the level offered by main stream programs that are offer today.

The extender you talk about is a product out of Germany, we do not
suggest using this product.  We at Design & Drafting see it more as a
violation of the license agreement and so we stay away from it. Moreover
as Autodesk makes changes to its core program, as they did in 2000, who
knows if your drawings will be compatible with the next version of DWG. 

IntelliCAD that you speak of is out of Portland, OR and does offer some
LISP functions but do not support some of the better programming
languages. 

LD Assistant is not a plug-in to AutoCAD it is a stand-a-lone program
built with Autodesk technology inside. But id you have AutoCAD we do
offer a plug-in.

I have to disagree with you, that AutoCAD or LD Assistant is in anyway
weak or deficient when it comes to 3D.  Here are a few links to see some
of the things that you can do with the 3D tools in LD Assistant.
http://www.ldassistant.com/Tutorial/chair.htm
http://www.ldassistant.com/Tutorial/tea-pot.htm
http://www.ldassistant.com/Tutorial/hat.htm
If you need to see more, visit the LD Assistant website and click on
tutorial or support to see how to make tided back drapes.

If someone needs more 3D tools than what is being offered in LD
Assistant or AutoCAD we suggest VIZ 4 or 5 or 3D Studio MAX. 

LD Assistant offers 3D design, 2D drafting, advance FX rendering and 6
universes of DMX control all in one easy to use program. I guess its all
about the level that a person wants to play at or what's their favorite
program.

I too have been in CAD for some time, about 22 years now I reckon.

I disagree with the premise that what has been good in the past is good
of the future.

As I said at the start, each person as to decide for them selves what
will work best for their application.

Best regards,

Rufus Warren III
  
Voice 708-499-0107
Fax Line 708-499-0046
E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: CAD Programs


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  I've had a bit more of a chance to work with some new CAD programs, so
I can add a bit to some comments I've voluneered in the past;

  There is an AutoCAD clone, called IntelliCAD... but it is not sold
directly to customers. Rather, a software vendor can license the source
code to make their own distrubution package.  It is sold by
www.bricscad.com and www.cadopia.com among others, but those seem the be
the big names.  It costs from $200 to $400 depending on what additional
features you want.  I used the $200 BricsCAD version, and generally it
worked very well.  But I did have enough problems and bugs with the 3d
that I had to abandon using it. You may do better than I, depending on
your video card, etc.  There is a free 30 day trial version.

  The other package, is LT-Extender www.lt-extender.com (about $100).
This is a 3rd party add-on to AutoCAD LT, which gives it many of the
features of the full version of AutoCAD at a fraction of the cost.  My
AutoCAD LT 2002 with LT Extender is actually more reliable than when I
was using AutoCAD full version.  I work exclusively in 3d, so do use all
those 3d commands. However, different versions of AutoCAD LT have
different amounts of functionality with the LT Extendor package because
of the way AutoCAD programed LT.  So, you will have to see if it gives
you the commands you want.  (I think there are a few other 3-rd party
providers that have similar
goals)

  Rufus, does your LD Assistant program work with IntelliCAD?  That may
be an option for some people.

  I really like the idea of a single package for both set design and
lighting.  The task of creating in AutoCAd, then creating a simplfied
version that is acceptable to import into WYSIWYG for lighting design is
not a quick process.

  And, while I have a 18 year career with AutoCAD, I will certainly be
the first to say that its 3d ablilities are very limited even when
compared to
low-cost CAD packages.   Though I have not used it much, I strongly
suspect
that Vectorworks is the best choice for a theater nowdays.

Joe Dunfee  joe [at] dunfee.com
Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <59.1be88e16.2edf6df9 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:56:57 EST
Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics

In a message dated 01/12/04 17:06:45 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes:

> Knowing how to work formulae ona calculator is a skill.  Knowing how to do
>  math is another, related but different, skill.  The temp at which water
>  boils and freezes has come up a few times (oddly too many) recently, and I
>  am amazed at just how many people *don't* know thes 'trivia'.  While
>  educating a friend of mine I tried to walk him through the conversion of
>  the 100 degree centigrade to farenheit.  He couldn't multiply 100 by 1.8
>  without a calculator.
>  The ability to work with numbers in your head is the ability to think in
>  the language of science, the language of nature.  The ability to run a
>  calculator or a computer program isn't even a close second.   I'm not sure
>  what's different about the teachers today and the ones I hung out with, but
>  something is very, very wrong. 

And it's probably the way that they themselves were taught.

Back when I was at University (1959 - 1961), three professors in the Physics 
department held a competition. One of them used a mechanical calculator (a 
glorified adding machine), one a slide rule, and the third did the problems in 
his head (to be fair, he had memorised the four-figure logarithm tables). It 
came out pretty even.

Frank Wood

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:14:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD38234.251C%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6650962 [at] prxy.net>

Does that apply to the fine folks of Catford, SE side of London?

Steve

on 12/1/04 11:57 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Huh...????!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
> 
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Does that apply to Catford?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> on 12/1/04 11:33 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
>> 
>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Ooooh!!!
>>> 
>>> NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
>>> Did I say NO!!?
>>> 
>>> Of course not, in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite - there is a
>>> definite timbre to a good quality African origin bass voice that eludes
> many
>>> similarly talented voices of European ethnicity. It's not that it's
> better
>>> but more right.
>>> BUT the problem is that most UK societies tend to be predominantly
> white,
>>> thus to produce something like Showboat then certain cast members would
> have
>>> to be blacked-up by definition (in a traditional rendition) otherwise it
>>> just wouldn't look right. What I meant below was that it is still a
> shame
>>> that it can't be done by use of make-up to give the impression of a
> coloured
>>> person when the songs etc can still have justice done by them either
> way.
>>> May not sound as good as a real deep-south type singing 'Ol Man River'
> but
>>> I've heard some fair renditions in the past.
>>> 
>>> Ynot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
>>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
>>>> as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
>>>> where you tread!
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> on 12/1/04 4:47 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such
> shows
>>> as
>>>>> 'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the
>>> slaves
>>>>> etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <dd.1ad7096f.2edf7423 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:23:15 EST
Subject: Re:  Re: Marley was Dead...
Cc: lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us

In a message dated 12/1/4 12:09:05 PM, lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us wrote:
<<This was my first show, however first impressions from an auditioner has a 
lot going for it. >>

Les, you did what every good director does at gut level... cast the person 
you like best in that role. We don't have an objective way to measure who is the 
better actor. We pick who we like for that part and appearance is a big part 
of that.

An all-white cast can do West Side Story. The problem is it's considered 
racist in 21st century USA for them to paint their faces to imitate Puerto Ricans 
while doing it. Nationality and race aren't always the same. You can be white 
skinned and be from Puerto Rico. 

Disney did R&H Cinderella a few years back with a black Cinderella, an Asian 
Prince, and a good mix of everything for the townsfolk. Wish there were more 
truly "color-blind" casting like this going on. 

Kristi

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Message-ID: <016101c4d7db$643b8b10$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6663748 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:24:31 -0000

Nope - fraid I still have NO idea what you're on about!!!

8-))


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Does that apply to the fine folks of Catford, SE side of London?
>
> Steve
>
> on 12/1/04 11:57 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Huh...????!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
> > To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
> >
> >
> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Does that apply to Catford?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> on 12/1/04 11:33 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Ooooh!!!
> >>>
> >>> NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
> >>> Did I say NO!!?
> >>>
> >>> Of course not, in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite - there is
a
> >>> definite timbre to a good quality African origin bass voice that
eludes
> > many
> >>> similarly talented voices of European ethnicity. It's not that it's
> > better
> >>> but more right.
> >>> BUT the problem is that most UK societies tend to be predominantly
> > white,
> >>> thus to produce something like Showboat then certain cast members
would
> > have
> >>> to be blacked-up by definition (in a traditional rendition) otherwise
it
> >>> just wouldn't look right. What I meant below was that it is still a
> > shame
> >>> that it can't be done by use of make-up to give the impression of a
> > coloured
> >>> person when the songs etc can still have justice done by them either
> > way.
> >>> May not sound as good as a real deep-south type singing 'Ol Man River'
> > but
> >>> I've heard some fair renditions in the past.
> >>>
> >>> Ynot
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Steve Larson" <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
> >>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:50 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> > <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you saying that casting ethnically correct actors
> >>>> as slaves would produce an inferior show?  Careful
> >>>> where you tread!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>> on 12/1/04 4:47 AM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I believe it is now against the law (?) in the UK to produce such
> > shows
> >>> as
> >>>>> 'Showboat' without using ethnically compatible cast members for the
> >>> slaves
> >>>>> etc. Which is a darned shame, 'cos it's a good show when done well.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <142.3a07e7a2.2edf749d [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:25:17 EST
Subject: Re: Help:  need info on  Circus Gatti/Santa Show


In a message dated 12/1/04 1:43:58 PM, rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

>
>
>Has anyone ever worked the "Santa Show" produced by Circus Gatti?  I'm
>flying blind here, folks- They were booked into my space for next week
>as a fundraiser for the local police association, and the "organizer" is
>on vacation...
>
>
>
>-- r.
>
>Randy Storms
>
>rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

Randy

I'm not familiar with this specific show but I can tell you that CIRCUS GATTI 
is one of the 7 - 8  largest producers of circuses done for the Shriners and 
"Badge Deals"  ( meaning for the Police or Firemen ) A number of them crank 
out small, , low budget shows that are done in proscenium houses at the 
holidays, ,   I will assume that most of you know that the "Shrine Circus" isn't 
actually produced by the Shrine,  they are deals done between local shrine 
organizations and about a dozen circus producers the names of which the general public 
wouldn't know what so ever.  Hanneford,  Zerbini, Hamid, Jordan, Ian Garden, 
George Carden etc etc etc

these are typically promoted via phone rooms ( not as often as they used to 
though with new regulations ) and with lots of coupons ( Children Free with 
Paid Adult ! ) and of course Shriners "pimping" the tickets to friends etc etc.

as for the Santa Show, there probably won't be a lot for you to do, , these 
holiday shows are designed to be able to play in venues that HAVE NOTHING, , 
they are usually pretty self contained and designed usually to be able to show 
up 3 hours before show time and be out of the venue in 45 min

I can't guarantee that this is current info, , but my records here show the 
following.

CIRCUS GATTI
P O Box 3967 
Tustin , CA 92681

714 730 9033


good luck ! 


very best,

Keith Arsenault


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:47:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BDD38A1D.2522%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6664495 [at] prxy.net>

Catford is a highly, multi-ethnic suburb of London.  Southeast.
I have a friend who lives there and is a councilperson.  The
area is a wonderful mix of folks from 60-80 different countries.
Most are well educated--teachers, media folk, professionals, etc.

Steve

on 12/1/04 2:24 PM, Tony at deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Nope - fraid I still have NO idea what you're on about!!!
> 
> 8-))
> 


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Message-ID: <016901c4d7de$d0cb1c20$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-6664361 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:49:02 -0000


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MissWisc [at] aol.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Cc: <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Marley was Dead...


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In a message dated 12/1/4 12:09:05 PM, lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us wrote:
> <<This was my first show, however first impressions from an auditioner has
a
> lot going for it. >>
>
> Les, you did what every good director does at gut level... cast the person
> you like best in that role. We don't have an objective way to measure who
is the
> better actor. We pick who we like for that part and appearance is a big
part
> of that.
>
> An all-white cast can do West Side Story. The problem is it's considered
> racist in 21st century USA for them to paint their faces to imitate Puerto
Ricans
> while doing it. Nationality and race aren't always the same. You can be
white
> skinned and be from Puerto Rico.
>
> Disney did R&H Cinderella a few years back with a black Cinderella, an
Asian
> Prince, and a good mix of everything for the townsfolk. Wish there were
more
> truly "color-blind" casting like this going on.
>
> Kristi
>

It just strikes me as plain daft to effectively censor any show that calls
specifically for one type of character when you can use make-up, costumes,
lighting whatever to give the audience the illusion that said character is
not what they are in real life. Crikey, isn't that what they do ALL the time
anyway? Why on earth should issues of race get in the way in this day and
age? If a black person additions for a black role, or a Chinese goes for a
Chinese part then all well and good. But if the only choices you have are
white, then is it really satisfactory for politicians to tell us that we
can't use the tools of the trade to make that actor look more the part
they're playing? I really don't think so.

Yes, at the same time there are dozens of shows that are a-racial (?) in
that it doesn't really matter whether the cast are white, black, yellow or
sky-blue-pink, but if the script is defined enough you often have to go with
what you can get!

I think we may agree on the principle here, but I'm possibly just not as
accepting of the blatant censorship.

The other aspect of the 'race' card of course is that there are quite a few
examples of clearly 'racist' setups in reverse as it were - think of things
like the MOBO awards (Music of Black Origin) and the like. Doesn't bother me
in the slightest that this exists, it's that the so-called PC brigade would
soon have a field day if someone held a MOWO ceremony as well!!

 Ynot



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Message-ID: <41AE2125.13F7F771 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:53:09 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Friction
References: <list-6575370 [at] prxy.net>



Richard Niederberg wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>         This very slippery dielectric, which often comes in bright
> yellow, is sometimes referred as "Elephant Snot' by Electrical
> Contractors, and is available at Home Depot and other building supply
> stores. The quart size normally comes with a spout, so it can be applied
> easily and precisely.
> /s/ Richard
>
> > They do sell it in five gallon buckets. Only you find it in
> > the electrical parts distributorship under water soluble
> > cable pulling lubricant.  It's not USP, but it is pretty much
> > the same stuff.
> >     --Dale

    I Should have mentioned that.  The older stuff is the (usually )
yellow stuff, which basically soap and water.  It is cheaper, but
it hardens after a few years in the conduit, and becomes, in effect,
glue.  Making removal of old wiring a rather destructive event.
  The newer stuff is clear and colorless, and looks like KY.  When
it dries, it turns into a powder that has very little adhesive strength.

    --Dale



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Message-ID: <41AE263F.F02B9471 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:14:55 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: car on stage
References: <list-6640344 [at] prxy.net>



jknipple wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I work at a professional theater in residence at a community college.
> The theater is also the home of church on Sundays. This year, for the
> Christmas show, the church wants to bring an actual car on stage. I'm
> checking on whether the stage floor can handle the weight (I don't
> actually know what kind of car yet), but our loading doors are big
> enough to fit a car through. Other than that, does anyone know what
> issues this raises with the actual car? Does it need to be drained of
> gas and oil? Other fluids? Other issues?
>
> Thanks!

    Talk to your local fire marshal well in advance on what the local
requirements are.   The other thing is to take the thing through a
car wash with undercarriage washing just before you put it inside.
Then park it someplace with sheets of scrap cardboard or newspaper
underneath to find out where all the drips and seeps are.  Dirty
motor oil drips are going to mess up your stage, and you really
don't want to know what brake fluid does to marley.
    If the battery is going to stay connected, disable the windshield
washer pump(s), as someone will press that button as well.
Keep an extra couple of fire extinguishers handy to the car.

    --Dale



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Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE390237E3627 [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
From: "Immel,Patrick" <PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu>
Subject: RE: High density plastic glides
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:00:27 -0600 

My sample of UHWM came in today and we applied a 3" square to all four
corners of a standard triscuit.  On the upside it slides REALLY well across
the stage floor.  On the down side it makes a hideous sound.  Like something
scraping against something else.  Like I said in an earlier post, our stage
floor is just painted plyron.  Any suggestions to on how to quiet this stuff
down!

Mucho gracias

Patrick Immel
Northwest Missouri State University

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:16:09 -0500
Subject: Re: High density plastic glides
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BDD39EC8.1A6B%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6673585 [at] prxy.net>

on 12/1/04 4:00 PM, Immel,Patrick at PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> My sample of UHWM came in today and we applied a 3" square to all four
> corners of a standard triscuit.  On the upside it slides REALLY well across
> the stage floor.  On the down side it makes a hideous sound.  Like something
> scraping against something else.  Like I said in an earlier post, our stage
> floor is just painted plyron.  Any suggestions to on how to quiet this stuff
> down!
> 
> Mucho gracias
> 
> Patrick Immel
> Northwest Missouri State University


Silk

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:17:13 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: High density plastic glides
Message-id: <41AE34D9.9D9BEDB8 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-6674808 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> on 12/1/04 4:00 PM, Immel,Patrick at PIMMEL [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu wrote:
> 
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > My sample of UHWM came in today and we applied a 3" square to all four
> > corners of a standard triscuit.  On the upside it slides REALLY well across
> > the stage floor.  On the down side it makes a hideous sound.  Like something
> > scraping against something else.  Like I said in an earlier post, our stage
> > floor is just painted plyron.  Any suggestions to on how to quiet this stuff
> > down!
> >
> > Mucho gracias
> >
> > Patrick Immel
> > Northwest Missouri State University
> 
> Silk

Or you could put a microphone aimed at each glide, run it through a
phase inverter and amplify it to match the sound, thus canceling it
out.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:41:44 -0500
Subject: Re: High density plastic glides
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BDD3A4C7.1A70%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-6675080 [at] prxy.net>

on 12/1/04 4:17 PM, Stephen Litterst at slitterst [at] ithaca.edu wrote:

>> Silk
> 
> Or you could put a microphone aimed at each glide, run it through a
> phase inverter and amplify it to match the sound, thus canceling it
> out.
> 
> Steve L.


oooooooooooh.  I like his idea better.  Much better toys.

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Subject: RE: Roadboxes
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:37:44 -0500
Message-ID: <35F89F34F3823843AC908D726CB64F2735A2D5 [at] EXCHANGE2.prg.com>
From: "Marc Palmer" <MPalmer [at] prg.com>

Yup, that's Big Deal. I believe you're thinking of what Westsun called =
Half and Full Coffins, 30x30x30" and 30x30x60". Insanely beefy boxes, =
made very nicely of Baltic birch or similar.

PRG has a great qty of these cases as well (whether they're available or =
not is another question) as they acquired the US and Toronto assets of =
Westsun around the same time Q1 acquired the other Canadian locations.

Westsun also had Big Deal make some much larger "trailer only" cases, at =
30x90x78+" high. These were used as giant workboxes and fixture cases - =
they hold something like 80 lekos each and are the same wood, framed in =
aluminum.

Marc

--- Brandon Slokowski wrote:
The Canadian company that you are thinking of may be Big Deal Custom =
Cases,=20
they are in Winnipeg.  They make some "uber beefy" cases, and they can=20
custom build anything.  They do beautiful work.  Check them out at=20
www.bigdealcases.com  The exchange rate is a major plus!
---

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Subject: RE: Color Coding Fixtures
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:00:38 -0500
Message-ID: <35F89F34F3823843AC908D726CB64F2735A2D6 [at] EXCHANGE2.prg.com>
From: "Marc Palmer" <MPalmer [at] prg.com>

ETC uses paint dots to color code the glass that goes into the Source 4 =
lens tubes:
   19deg Red
   26deg Black
   36deg (no dots)
   50deg Yellow

That's the closest to "standard" I'm aware of, though the black and lack =
of color don't translate well to the outside of the fixture. The most =
helpful code is probably whatever your local rental shop or neighboring =
theatres use. If you change lens tubes a lot, color coding on the yoke =
will only drive you mad - so you may want to keep the color on the tube. =
Grease pencil on the yoke works nicely to identify which lamp is in the =
fixture.

The PRG color code for the lens tubes, painted on the casting inside the =
color-clip (sort of like a fingernail), is as follows, keeping the red =
and yellow from ETC's coding:
   19deg Red
   26deg Blue
   36deg White
   50deg Yellow

Oh, if you're talking about PRG cable boxes that are about 36x36 with =
plywood in heavy steel framing, those are BASH boxes - and a huge pain =
if you've got a ramp or a short lift-gate.

Marc

--- Rob Carovillano wrote:
> I might have asked this before but I forget.
> Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or
> similiar Lekos?  I want to see before I just come up with my own.
---

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Message-ID: <000701c4d7fb$0e4e6b80$80fea8c0 [at] Fred>
From: "Mike Rock" <rockm [at] new.rr.com>
References: <list-6685659 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:11:14 -0600



>That's the closest to "standard" I'm aware of, though the black and lack of
color don't translate well to the outside of the fixture. The most helpful
code is probably whatever your local rental shop or
>neighboring theatres use. If you change lens tubes a lot, color coding on
the yoke will only drive you mad - so you may want to keep the color on the
tube. Grease pencil on the yoke works nicely to >identify which lamp is in
the fixture.

I have seen it done on the top of the barrel where the gel clamp is on
source fours. It was nice becasue you alwise knew right were to look.


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Subject: Re: Frank Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread
Message-ID: <OFC6F04AFA.6641A326-ON85256F5E.00016899-85256F5E.000197CD [at] sarasotagov.com>
From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:17:24 -0500


Frank:

Ah but Elliot knew. Please send list of other items you may be in the dark
about.

Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.

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From: "Jared Fortney" <jared_fortney [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:33:02 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-6595484 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20041202003144.HMSZ21088.gx6.fuse.net [at] jaredcomp>

I used to volunteer for a Scouting project called Construction City that
used hundreds of random sized sheets of cardboard.  Our stock came from a
corrugated cardboard manufacturer as the early parts of production runs
while they were adjusting the machine settings.  Unfortunately I don't have
the name of our supplier, but you may be able to find a similar situation in
your area.

-Jared Fortney
UC-CCM
http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <141.3a2af28a.2edfd0b5 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:58:13 EST
Subject: Re:  Looking for a source for sheet cardboard
Cc: rgbrzosk [at] usermail.com

Randy - 

As promised, I asked my friend in paper sales.  He says Green Bay Packaging 
is your best bet as they make "corrugated everything in any shape imaginable"...
Corporate Office
1700 N. Webster Court
Green Bay, WI 54307-9017
Phone: (920) 433-5111
Fax: (920) 433-5471

He also thinks Sheboygan Carton might be able to help: 800-236-2867

or closer to you... Nelson Container on River Lane in Germantown  800-261-7007

Hope one of these works!

Kristi R-C

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From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: car on stage
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:34:48 -0500

>This year, for the Christmas show, the church wants to bring an actual car 
>on stage. I'm
>checking on whether the stage floor can handle the weight (I don't
>actually know what kind of car yet), but our loading doors are big
>enough to fit a car through. Other than that, does anyone know what
>issues this raises with the actual car? Does it need to be drained of
>gas and oil? Other fluids? Other issues?

Here's a topic no one else has mentioned yet: Do you plan on driving the car 
on stage during the production? Keep in mind if you do (or even as you drive 
it onto stage for load-in) that exhaust fumes can build up quickly if the 
engine runs long enough.

If the AHJ requests the battery to be disconnected, you'll need another 
means of playing the car radio or turning headlights / indicator lights on; 
and those'll run on DC voltage, rather than 120 VAC.

Presumably you've gotten all the licensing and registration issues out of 
the way?  Insurance an issue?


-- Matt

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:39:55 -0800 (PST)
From: June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Friction, and Color Coding

You may think PAM as lubricant is a joke, but the
students at one university theater where I did a show
thought it would be a swell way to lubricate sticky
shutters on the house lekos. (Altmans, I think). I'm
sure it worked, for the first 10 seconds or so the
first time they used it. Then, once the lamp got hot,
the PAM hardened into an astoundingly tough glue,
basically fusing the shutters in place on most of the
house inventory. I guess you could take the lamps
apart and sand or grind the shutters clean, but I
think the basic solution was probably to buy armloads
of replacement shutters. I was the lucky person who
got to tell the house TD about it. I brought the can
of PAM (and a can of WD-40 - same purpose?) that I
found on the end of the catwalk down with me. Students
confirmed the brilliant idea, but not whose it was.

For the color coding question, I don't know a standard
either, but if you are coding S-4s, or an inventory
with S-4s mixed in, wouldn't it make more sense to
mark the barrel than the yoke?

June Abernathy
IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
FOH Electrician
The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)


		
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