Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 7196997; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:01:10 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #216 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:00:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #216 1. Re: Angus of God by Joseph Champelli 2. Tenure-Track Scenic Designer position by Joseph Champelli 3. Re: Angus of God by "Paul Guncheon" 4. Re: Work Boot Recommendations.... by "Frank E. Merrill" 5. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs -- Props Master & Costume Shop Manager by Brad Spachman 6. Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Josh Wirtz" 7. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "C. Andrew Dunning" 8. Re: Moving Mirrors? by "barc8816" 9. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "CATHERINE BRUMM" 10. Re: Moving Mirrors? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: S4 PAR Melt down by "Bill Conner" 12. Re: Work Boot Recommendations....Wide feet by MPTecDir [at] aol.com 13. Re: Fixtures & Luminaires by "Bill Conner" 14. Re: Work Boot Recommendations....Wide feet by MissWisc [at] aol.com 15. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Richard Niederberg 16. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Bill Sapsis 18. Re: Sewing machine (and Latin lesson) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Delbert Hall" 20. Award for the longest signature by CB 21. Re: Award for the longest signature by IAEG [at] aol.com 22. Re: Work Boot Recommendations.... by Steve Larson 23. Re: Fixtures & Luminaires by CB 24. Re: Sewing machine by CB 25. Am I here? by David Marks 26. Re: Sewing machine OT by "Mike Rock" 27. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Richard Niederberg 28. Re: Sewing machine by "Delbert Hall" 29. Re: Sewing machine OT by "Delbert Hall" 30. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Delbert Hall" 31. Re: Sewing machine OT by "Mike Rock" 32. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "C. Andrew Dunning" 33. Re: Angus of God by mo 34. Re: Award for the longest signature by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Paul Schreiner" 36. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 37. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Matthew Breton" 38. Re: Listmembers in the L.A. area by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 39. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: Luminaire / Instrument by "Andy Leviss" 41. Vectorworks problem du jour by "Paul Schreiner" 42. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Richard Niederberg 43. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Greg Bierly 44. Re: Am I here? by Noah Price 45. Re: Numbering the list messages by June Abernathy 46. Re: Current Threads by Jerry Durand 47. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 48. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Champelli Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:29:45 -0500 Reply-To: Subject: RE: Angus of God Message-ID: I was hoping the subtle humor wasn't lost on all. Our production= manager made that joke when we were discussing the blood= effect. Sooooo.....anybody got one or know of one or have any helpful= suggestions? j >------------------------------ >From: Joseph Champelli >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:33:37 -0500 >Reply-To: >Subject: Angus of God >Message-ID: >Does anyone have available or know of a place to rent the blood= effect for Agnes of >God? >Joseph Champelli >University of Tennessee Department of Theatre - Entertainment= Technology >865.974.7069 office 702.429.5859 cell 775.206.6078 fax >champelli [at] knology.net - home = jchampel [at] utk.edu - office ------------------------------ From: Joseph Champelli Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:33:36 -0500 Reply-To: Subject: Tenure-Track Scenic Designer position Message-ID: Hello all, The University of Tennessee in Knoxville has an opening for head= of Scenic Design. I am new to this faculty, but I've found it to be a great place= to work. Of the many benefits is the ability to do work outside= the department. In fact, you are not only encouraged and= supported in professional development, it's a requirement for= tenure. All department shows are produced by the Clarence Brown= Theatre, a fully staffed LORT theatre. If you have any= questions, please email me off-list. Thanks, Joe Here's the official listing: ---- Head of MFA Scene Design The Department of Theatre at The University of Tennessee seeks= applications for the position of Head of MFA Scene Design. The= department is located in Knoxville, the flagship campus of the= University of Tennessee, near the Smoky Mountains. The= department is associated with the Clarence Brown Theatre (CBT),= a LORT theatre which presents six professional and student= productions per season, offering substantial opportunities to= work with national and international directors, actors,= designers, and dramaturgs. The department offers a BA on the= undergraduate level and an MFA in performance, set, costume, and= lighting design. Responsibilities: The successful candidate= will design professional shows for the CBT in Knoxville, teach= scene design on the graduate level with limited responsibilities= on the undergraduate level, work in a collaborative environment= with design faculty in costume and lighting, supervise the= design work of the graduate students for the CBT, recruit strong= students for the design program, and organize and coordinate= design workshops with national and international artists in= Knoxville and Salzburg, Austria. The department also strongly= encourages and supports designing at other national or= international theatres. Qualifications and desirable skills:= The successful candidate should have an MFA in Scenic Design or= equivalent professional experience, a demonstrable record in the= professional theatre, teaching experience at the graduate level,= skills in scene painting, hand and computer rendering, and= membership in United Scenic Artists. The successful candidate is= expected to stay active professionally to be considered for= tenure and promotion. Rank: Assistant Professor. Salary:= competitive. Application: send letter of application,= curriculum vitae, and portfolio to Klaus van den Berg, Design= Search Committee Chair, Department of Theatre, 206 McClung= Tower, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN 37996. Digital= portfolios are welcome. Review of applications will begin= January 3 and continue until the position is filled. ---- end listing Joseph Champelli University of Tennessee Department of Theatre - Entertainment= Technology 865.974.7069 office 702.429.5859 cell 775.206.6078 fax champelli [at] knology.net - home = jchampel [at] utk.edu - office ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c4da0e$55a96a60$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Angus of God Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 04:34:15 -1000 <> The Anges are a mountain range in South America. You guys shoulda paid gooder attention in school. <> Apologies accepted ... but let's not let it happen again. I wouldn't want to have to come over there. Laters, Paul "Where's the landing gear?" asked Tom bellowing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:39:47 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <694923492.20041204103947 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re: Work Boot Recommendations.... In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy! Saturday, December 04, 2004, Dylan Smith wrote: q> why not enliven the list with a debate about the merits of various brands of q> footwear. I'm on my third (and probably last) pair of Red Wings, and I continue to enjoy every mile and climb. I say "last" pair because the earlier two pair have lasted 15 to 20 years and I don't expect to be hiking parts of the Appalachian or Bright Angel trails in these so they'll likely be given to the Salvation Army when my kids go through my crap a week after my funeral... I don't recall the model name, but they are their 8" high boot with speed hooks and deep-cleat soles. I have consciously avoided steel toed boots but have considered them. I do less of the kind of nitty gritty stuff that is likely to crush my toes than in my spotted past so these boots have a "reinforced" toe rather than a steel cap. Your foot protection needs may vary. Quickbooks tells me that I bought these 13 Novmber 2003 and paid, with tax, $201.39. Considering that is less than a nickel a day over the at-least 15 year lifespan, I figure it is a good deal. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v3.0 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:48:01 -0500 From: Brad Spachman Subject: Jobs, Jobs, Jobs -- Props Master & Costume Shop Manager After a long season, we're still looking for a couple of great people to fill openings in our Props & Costumes departments. I'm trying to help by getting the word out on the street, so if you--or someone you know--are interested, please feel free to send your resume in. Email, fax, snail-mail...all are welcome and appreciated. Contact information follows below. As for who "we" are: http://www.goodspeed.org (aka. 'All Musicals, All The Time') "Each April through December season, Goodspeed produces three musicals at the Opera House in East Haddam (LORT B), and three new musicals at The Norma Terris Theatre (LORT D). Sixteen Goodspeed productions have transferred to Broadway, receiving more than a dozen Tony Awards." And who we're looking for (very informally): Props Master--Manages the props build for all the shows. I'm sure there's budgeting involved. Staff consists of a props carpenter, props artisan, the run crew head, and various apprentices. Fairly sizable stock. Dedicated shop & build areas. Excellent knowledge of period designs & modern construction techniques needed. Costume Shop Manager--Manages the wardrobe build for all the shows. Budgeting, etc. involved. Enormous stock. We have a separate rentals department to manage stock. Dedicated shop space. Both openings are year-round, full-time positions. If folks have questions, or want further information, please feel free to drop me an email. Resume submissions can be emailed to myself or our production stage manager -- dhilton [at] goodspeed.org. You can also send a fax to our attention at (860) 873-8664, or mail us at PO Box A, East Haddam, CT 06423. P.S. Did I mention that Julie Andrews & Tony Walton will be working with us in the coming season? :-) Thanks! -- Brad Spachman bspachman [at] att.net Stage Manager Goodspeed Musicals ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:08:46 -0600 From: "Josh Wirtz" Subject: Rigging and Lighting ?? Rigging: While loading in my first show for the theater I was recently hired by, I noticed that a few of the ropes used for the operating lines of the flyrail had their sheaths sliding an inch or two when I pulled down on them. Am I correct in assuming that these ropes should be replaced since the sheath and core of the ropes move indepently, even for that short distance? Lighting: All the Roscolux gels at this theater have been labeled with an "R" prefix, as in R55. I was taught that the prefix "R" referred to the original Rosco gels (the ones made from gelatin) and that the prefix "X" should be used for Roscolux. Which is the current standard for labeling Rosco's gels? Many thanks, Josh Wirtz ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:18:54 -0600 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Josh - >I was taught that the prefix "R" referred >to the original Rosco gels (the ones made from gelatin) and >that the prefix "X" >should be used for Roscolux. I use the standard of "X" meaning "Roscolux" and "E" meaning Rosco's "E Colour." 99.9% of the folks out there, though, simply use the "R" for Roscolux. C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ From: "barc8816" Reply-to: barc8816 [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Moving Mirrors? Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:34:34 -0500 Message-id: <41b1e71a.66.28ef.1349 [at] fredonia.edu> I'm looking at buying a couple of Rosco Icues or Metor Lighting Elipscan pro and was wondering what the differences are between them. I know the elipscan pro has on board DMX and AC making it a little bulkier. I have also heard that the elipscan pro is slightly louder. Operational noise of the equipment is a large consideration for me as these units will mostly be used in our small blackbox theatre. Any insight into this equipment would be wonderful. Thanks. Michael J Barczys Student SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:50:22 -0500 From: "CATHERINE BRUMM" Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Catherine K. Brumm, General Manager Minnie Evans Arts Center Wilmington, NC P910-)790-2360 x821 F)910-790-2356 cbrumm [at] nhcs.k12.nc.us www.geocities.com/nhcscbrumm/index.html >>> cad [at] landrudesign.com 12/04/04 11:18AM >>> Josh - >I was taught that the prefix "R" referred >to the original Rosco gels (the ones made from gelatin) and >that the prefix "X" >should be used for Roscolux. C. Andrew Dunning- I use the standard of "X" meaning "Roscolux" and "E" meaning Rosco's "E Colour." 99.9% of the folks out there, though, simply use the "R" for Roscolux. I am one of the 99.9%. I use "R" for any color I get from Rosco, "A" for Apollo, "L" for Lee, etc. as a differential from which company it was from. I , not being a lighting person, didn't realize there were difference in the type of color from the the companies and would love to know the difference. What is the difference between Roscolux and rosco's "E Colour" and do the other companies have such variables too? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: barc8816 [at] fredonia.edu Subject: RE: Moving Mirrors? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:00:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c4da22$b552eb30$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: I can't address the I-Cue, but I'm very familiar with the Meteor. On the "plus" side, it works fine (much better, I might add, than my Dell Axim handheld, which I just wasted 2.5 hours talking to Dell tech support about, but I digress....). Mirror noise has not been a problem, and I've used it in very intimate spaces. The people at Meteor are very, very helpful. On the "minus" side, it is, indeed, heavier. It uses 3-pin connectors (but you can swap those out or use adaptors). On the "weird" side, it works great with Express 125 and 4896. but when connected to an Expression 3, the relay that controls the convenience outlet (you can order it without this) sounds like a (very loud) popcorn popper, even when the channel is at zero. The only solution was to physically cut it off the circuit board. > > I'm looking at buying a couple of Rosco Icues or Metor > Lighting Elipscan pro and was wondering what the differences > are between them. I know the elipscan pro has on board DMX > and AC making it a little bulkier. I have also heard that the > elipscan pro is slightly louder. Operational noise of the > equipment is a large consideration for me as these units will > mostly be used in our small blackbox theatre. Any insight > into this equipment would be wonderful. Thanks. > > Michael J Barczys > Student SUNY-Fredonia > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006d01c4da24$72b81140$640a0a0a [at] schulershook.net> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: S4 PAR Melt down Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:12:34 -0600 Chris Summers posted: "Has anyone out there had a problem with the two plastic stops (keeps the lens in place) on the lens ring melting. The units are only 4 years old max, and they are lamped with the HPL 750. What could be causing this? Any information would be helpful" I have. One of my clients - The Detroit Symphony Orchestra - bought a bunch also about 4 years ago. Several lenses rained down. ETC promptly and quietly sent replacement plastic collars as I recall - the ring or collar at the front of the casting that the lens is retained in. They explained it was bad quality control from their supplier of the rings and the plastic tabs simply softened and failed. It apparently only affected a certain batch or some limited number produced. I was disappointed that ETC never saw fit to go public that they had this problem, warn people of the hazard, and would fix it - especially since there was a safety issue involved. (I'll wager some pr type from ETC posts a defense.) With just a touch of cynicism, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:45:00 -0500 From: MPTecDir [at] aol.com Cc: dale [at] cybercom.net Subject: Re: Work Boot Recommendations....Wide feet Message-ID: <4A63FC24.18121D3E.00740ECC [at] aol.com> Dale Farmer << My big concern is finding a pair that actually fits. I wear a large and wide size, so finding a pair that actually fits is rather a challenge. ............. >> Dale, I too have wide feet, 6-1/2 5E to be precise. A few years back I discovered: Hitchcock Wide Shoes For Men. http://www.wideshoes.com 1-781-749-3579 hitchcock [at] wideshoes.com Since then I have bought 100% of my shoes from them. Dress, casual, golf, steel toe, you name it. Try'em, I think you'll like'em. -- Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director U Mass Amherst, Dept of Theatre 112 Fine Arts Center West 151 Presidents Drive Ofc 2 Amherst, MA 01003-9331 Phone: 413-545-6821 Fax: 413-577-0025 http://www.umass.edu/theater/ mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007101c4da29$9bb03ff0$640a0a0a [at] schulershook.net> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Fixtures & Luminaires Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:49:30 -0600 Lighting designer Tom Skelton usually referred to a portable stage luminaire as a "focusing unit" but I guess as a result of the Ruling this could only apply to Randy Johnson on stage crew today. Regards, Bill ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <76.47a2a829.2ee35373 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:52:51 EST Subject: Re: Re: Work Boot Recommendations....Wide feet Also look in your Farm and Fleet stores for shoes in wide widths too. Store name vary with the state/area "Mills Fleet Farm" and "Blaine" are two in the Mid-west. Good place for gloves in all sizes too! Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:06:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Message-ID: <20041204.100719.3464.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg I use 'G' for any media that comes from GAM. I never had a need to use a prefix for Brigham {R.I.P.}and Cinemoid {R.I.P.} gelatin color media, as I used Roscogel, but I suppose their prefixes would have been "B" and "C". I do not know what the prefix would be for Roscolar as I did not enjoy having to run a pounce wheel over every piece of saturated-color Roscolar so the color wouldn't boil off as I tried to extend it's service life. /s/ Richard > I use "R" for any color I get from Rosco, "A" for Apollo, > "L" for Lee, etc. as a differential from which company it > was from. I , not being a lighting person, didn't realize there > were difference in the type of color from the companies > and would love to know the difference. ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c4da2f$bed90bf0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:33:26 -0800 > All the Roscolux gels at this theater have been labeled with an "R" > prefix, as in R55. I was taught that the prefix "R" referred to the > original Rosco gels (the ones made from gelatin) and that the prefix "X" > should be used for Roscolux. Which is the current standard for labeling > Rosco's gels? Well, since one can no longer get the gelatin gels (and haven't, for a long long time) I see no problem with advancing the 'standard' to labeling with 'R'. Pretty much everywhere I've been, across this fat country of ours, just uses the 'R', though I have been to a few that use X or RX. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:46:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 12/4/04 11:08 AM, Josh Wirtz at wirtzj [at] stillwater.k12.mn.us wrote: > While loading in my first show for the theater I was recently hired by, > I noticed that a few of the ropes used for the operating lines of the > flyrail had their sheaths sliding an inch or two when I pulled down on > them. Am I correct in assuming that these ropes should be replaced > since the sheath and core of the ropes move indepently, even for that > short distance? What? No one wanted to take a whack at the rigging part of the question? Chicken. From a safety standpoint the ropes do not need to be replaced. The sliding (it's referred to as 'milking' in the rope world) does not mean that the ropes are going to break. Operations are a different matter altogether. With most of the double construction ropes (ones with cores and shells) it's impossible to set a trim mark the right way (stabbing a ribbon through the line...Let's not go there again) If you stab through the shell then it moves and the first time you run the piece the trim mark is off. if you try to go through the core, you damage the core and THEN you start running the risk of rope failure. Not right away but down the road a year or three. In '85 when the Palladium first opened in NYC we ran a double braid in as the operating line for their single purchase counterweight sets. A week later they asked us to take it out. If you have a choice, use a single construction rope for a counterweight operating line. Now I'm going to go and get my bike. See ya. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:52:17 EST Subject: Re: Sewing machine (and Latin lesson) In a message dated 04/12/04 09:12:13 GMT Standard Time, doomster [at] worldnet.att.net writes: > Oratre pro nobis. doom That should be: 'Orate pro nobis'. Pray for us. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:58:30 -0500 Josh, This is a common problem with certain constructions of ropes (double braided and parallel core) and it does not mean that they should be replaced. I am guessing that it was Stage Set X. Here is a quote from Bill's web site on this rope: Stage Set X is a parallel-core constructed rope used as a replacement for manila in a counterweight rigging system. Constructed of a parallel core of polyester fiber contained with a helically wrapped polyester tape and covered by a braided polyester jacket. Now, if the sheath was sort of fuzzy, it was probably Spectrum ShowBraid. Here is the note from Bill's site on this rope: Spectrum ShowBraid is constructed of a core of filament polyester with a sleeve of DuPont's type 77 Dacron R (a unique fiber with a wooly surface). This double-braided 100% polyester rope offers excellent grip, long wear-life and low stretch. Extremely flexible and very strong. Not for use in counterweight systems - will milk and cannot be spiked. Use in block and falls, hemp house, and general work.) Personally, I prefer Multiline II (a three-strand twisted polyester rope) for purchase lines on linesets. This reminds me that one theatre that I was in resently had a couple of tubeless tire repair tools on their fly rail for pulling ribbons through the ropes to mark trim. They had made a rack to hold several spools of ribbon, sissors, and the repair tools. I thought this was a great idea. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) >--------------------------------------------------- > >Rigging: > >While loading in my first show for the theater I was recently hired by, >I noticed that a few of the ropes used for the operating lines of the >flyrail had their sheaths sliding an inch or two when I pulled down on >them. Am I correct in assuming that these ropes should be replaced >since the sheath and core of the ropes move indepently, even for that >short distance? > >Lighting: > >All the Ro ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041204120234.0204a6b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:02:34 From: CB Subject: Award for the longest signature >...goes to Dr. Doom! ;-) I've been doing some research in that particular area, but in the longest unedited re-post of a re-post of a re-post. SCD #213 has some candidates. I've been trying to suss out who is least likely to trim a reply by department, and I think that carps and squints are about tied for second. First place, obviously, goes to Doom as well, but Steve and Tony made a run at the title that day with a one-line-to-56 new to re-posted ratio responded to by a one-WORD-to-72-line quip, successfully requoting themselves at least once in every post. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <46.5dfa383f.2ee365c9 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:11:05 EST Subject: Re: Award for the longest signature In a message dated 12/4/04 2:01:37 PM, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >>...goes to Dr. Doom! ;-) > >I've been doing some research in that particular area, but in the longest >unedited re-post of a re-post of a re-post. SCD #213 has some candidates. >I've been trying to suss out who is least likely to trim a reply by >department, and I think that carps and squints are about tied for second. >First place, obviously, goes to Doom as well, but Steve and Tony made a >run >at the title that day with a one-line-to-56 new to re-posted ratio >responded to by a one-WORD-to-72-line quip, successfully requoting >themselves at least once in every post. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ Chris, , you have WAY TOOO much time on your hands, , very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:25:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Work Boot Recommendations.... From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Isn't Michael Jackson one also. Oh, sorry. I think I know what you mean though. Steve on 12/4/04 1:23 AM, Mat Goebel at mgoebel [at] gmail.com wrote: Luckily, my friend is a certified > pedorthist and was able to take care of me =) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041204123011.0204a6b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:30:11 From: CB Subject: Re: Fixtures & Luminaires >So therefore since stage lighting instruments are all portable what would >they be called? Or because they are temporarily attached to a structure by a >tee or c-clamp are they considered fastened in place? An AHJ once told me that 'temporary' was usually described by intent. Since the intent is that the next show likely would have the fixture (luminaire?) in a different place, the intent is that it is temporary. Having an old par can wired up to illuminate your driveway to work on your car, if left there inbetween automotive maintenance issues, would be considered permanent, even if it were installed exactly the same as the 'temporary' installation in the theatre, defined by intent. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041204123609.0204b238 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:36:09 From: CB Subject: RE: Sewing machine >1/2 HP motor will sew >through anything. Cost is around $1,750 as I recall I thought this sounded really expensive for a sewing machine, but then I re-read the post and figured it out. I'm guessing that it replaced two welders and a coupla staplers, adn not a few nailguns in the process. ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41B21340.7090800 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:42:57 -0500 From: David Marks Subject: Am I here? No stagecraft email in days.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c4da39$8dacce40$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Sewing machine OT Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:43:39 -0600 > > >1/2 HP motor will sew > >through anything. Cost is around $1,750 as I recall > > I thought this sounded really expensive for a sewing machine, but then I > re-read the post and figured it out. I'm guessing that it replaced two > welders and a coupla staplers, adn not a few nailguns in the process. ; > One year our metals teacher was doing the standerd start of the course briefing and was talking about the art that is welding and how you could weild anything. Some one raised their hand and asked " Can you weld wood" in a very smart tone of voice, his response was " YOU CANT WELD WOOD!!!" which was adapted into one of our crews slogans. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:11:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Message-ID: <20041204.130618.3464.3.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg That is EXACTLY how I spike ropes that are suitable for invasive spiking. I keep the tubeless tire repair dagger with me in my tool bag/belt. If I should lose one, spares are available at the 99cent store. I use turquoise and beige ribbons for my lighting pipe trims; other color combinations are used by the master carpenter for his/her scenery pipe trims, et cetera. This is so I can quickly check preshow to see if my lighting trim heights are consistent with the heights that were set at the time the lights were focused, not for executing fly cues, necessarily. I do not want to waste someone's time during preshow attempting to refocus a lighting instrument, when the problem actually was that the bar changed height slightly. /s/ Richard > This reminds me that one theatre that I was in resently > had a couple of tubeless tire repair tools on their fly rail > for pulling ribbons through the ropes to mark trim. I > thought this was a great idea. > -Delbert ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Sewing machine Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:11:16 -0500 Actually, this is a pretty inexpensive industrial sewing machine. Check out http://www.miamisewing.com/specials/canvas.htm for prices of other rebuilt industrual machines. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) >From: CB >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Sewing machine >Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:36:09 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >1/2 HP motor will sew > >through anything. Cost is around $1,750 as I recall > >I thought this sounded really expensive for a sewing machine, but then I >re-read the post and figured it out. I'm guessing that it replaced two >welders and a coupla staplers, adn not a few nailguns in the process. ; > > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > >Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates >negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Sewing machine OT Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:15:05 -0500 Maybe you need to update that slogan. Check out http://www.genkem.co.za/wood_adhesives.asp Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) > >One year our metals teacher was doing the standerd start of the course >briefing and was talking about the art that is welding and how you could >weild anything. Some one raised their hand and asked " Can you weld wood" >in >a very smart tone of voice, his response was " YOU CANT WELD WOOD!!!" which >was adapted into one of our crews slogans. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:18:31 -0500 I always knew you were a smart fellow Richard. Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) > That is EXACTLY how I spike ropes that are suitable for invasive >spiking. I keep the tubeless tire repair dagger with me in my tool >bag/belt. If I should lose one, spares are available at the 99cent store. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c4da51$87be2c50$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Sewing machine OT Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:35:17 -0600 > Maybe you need to update that slogan. Check out > http://www.genkem.co.za/wood_adhesives.asp > I think liquid nails is in the same boat. keep a good pool of molten metal and push it acrossed the 2*4.while making a semi-circler motion. I guess it works... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:44:17 -0600 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catherine - >What is >the difference between Roscolux and rosco's "E Colour" The color numbers follow Lee's. The actual colors are close, w. slight variation. C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41B24417.5080506 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:11:19 -0500 From: mo Subject: re: Angus of God A man in a kilt by a loch? Interesting twist! Michael Millar ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.2d487ea9.2ee3a707 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:49:27 EST Subject: Re: Award for the longest signature In a message dated 04/12/04 19:01:37 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > First place, obviously, goes to Doom as well, but Steve and Tony made a run > at the title that day with a one-line-to-56 new to re-posted ratio > responded to by a one-WORD-to-72-line quip, successfully requoting > themselves at least once in every post. It's a difficult balance to achieve. You need to quote enough that the topic is clear, but not so much as to waste bandwidth. Having come to the net when download time cost money, I tend to overdo the cutting. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:27:12 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ADB8 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > All the Roscolux gels at this theater have been labeled with=20 > an "R" prefix, as in R55. I was taught that the prefix "R"=20 > referred to the original Rosco gels (the ones made from=20 > gelatin) and that the prefix "X" should be used for Roscolux.=20 > Which is the current standard for labeling Rosco's gels? In venues where there once was a substantial stock of Roscolene, I would use the R prefix; X would be for Roscolux. But it's been so long since anyone has had any Roscolene in any quantity (and I can always identify it by the 800-series numbers), I usually use R for any Rosco now... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c4da62$f1b94e80$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > In venues where there once was a substantial stock of > Roscolene, I would use the R prefix; X would be for Roscolux. > But it's been so long since anyone has had any Roscolene in > any quantity (and I can always identify it by the 800-series > numbers), I usually use R for any Rosco now... ...And it wasn't all that hard to tell the different between the relatively stiff Roscolene and the much more pliable Roscolux. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 19:42:05 -0500 >All the Roscolux gels at this theater have been labeled with an "R" >prefix, as in R55. I was taught that the prefix "R" referred to the >original Rosco gels (the ones made from gelatin) and that the prefix "X" >should be used for Roscolux. Which is the current standard for labeling >Rosco's gels? Like color-coding cable or lens tubes, there really isn't a "standard" per se for notating gel colors. Gels are considered expendables, and usually come out of their show budget; with larger theaters, you build up a stock over time and so can re-use gel (excepting when it burns out, of course). My own notation system: R#### for Rosco; G### for GAM; L### for Lee; AP#### for Apollo. (I don't buy much Apollo or GAM.) Since I don't buy Rosco's sub-brands (E-color, Cinegel, etc.) differentiating between them isn't an issue. Where I grew up, we labeled Roscolux gels with "Rx##," since at that point Rosco hadn't gone past 99 colors. I don't think you can get real gelatins anymore -- or would want to. -- Matt ======= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6a.49e37757.2ee3b466 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:46:30 EST Subject: Re: Listmembers in the L.A. area >the one in Orlando was a disaster, , , , horses on treadmills doing the >chariot race, , etc etc, , , went bankrupt, , badly marketed, bad location , That was "Ben Hur" you are thinking about. Was staged at the Orange County Convention Center's Theatre. SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <142.3a4c206c.2ee3c923 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:14:59 EST Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Cc: wirtzj [at] stillwater.k12.mn.us In a message dated 12/4/4 10:09:57 AM, wirtzj [at] stillwater.k12.mn.us wrote: <> Josh - First off, a Standing Ovation to you for noticing and caring. I guess from your email address that you're at a high school in Stillwater, Minnesota. School theatres are notorious for not being well maintainted. I whole heartedly recommend you have your rigging and "stuff" inspected by people who specialize in that: Bill Sapsis, Randy Davidson (Dr. Doom), Jay Stone, and others who I'm certain will contact you personally off-list to let you know what they offer. When you get one of these guys to come in, have them run a seminar for your students as well as any staff who might be involved in running or caring for the equipment. Have the seminar cover the basics of rigging as well as the liabilities. (Yes, I AM suggesting that the building custodians AND drama/band/choir students AND administrators AND district safety people AND fine arts teachers AND parent volunteers all attend the same seminar. Invite the school board too. The more people who know how to do it safely, the less chance for injury and trhe bigger the return on your investment.) If your administration balks at the cost, show them case studies of kids who've been hurt. (I can tell you about one that happened near from you.) Far less expensive to spend a few thousand $$ to bring someone in than to pay millions in a liability suit. We can guess what kind of rope you have and what you should do, but it's like diagnosing a medical condition long distance. Without first hand examination, we REALLY don't know the answer and only someone who's trained and can look at it can tell you what you need to do to keep things safe. Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: RE: Luminaire / Instrument Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:33:09 -0500 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <002701c4da72$c3195240$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: Matt Breton wrote: > Generally, it's the newer guys who make shutter music. The > ones who start > dreaming they're a conductor, we invite outside. I assume that's after they stop spasming on the ground? --A mildly shocked Andy ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 ------------------------------ Subject: Vectorworks problem du jour Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ADB9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Using Spotlight 9.5.1...After doing a series of "subtract solids" operations that worked fine, I then had a group of trimmed 3D objects all selected. Switched them without issue to another group, then when I tried to change one of the attributes (pen color, FWIW) of the selected items, I got a Runtime error that shut me down. Tried it again, same result. I'll try the ol' reboot-and-do-it-again thang, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had this sort of thing happen in the past... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:36:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Message-ID: <20041204.194245.3464.8.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg But they are delicious and strengthen your fingernails! /s/ Richard I don't think you can get real gelatins > anymore -- or would want to. > -- Matt ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:15:39 -0500 > (and I can always identify > it by the 800-series numbers), I usually use R for any Rosco now... So that explains the 250 sheets of gel I inherited from the middle school that was supplied 15 years ago from their install. I don't think I have a Roscolene swatchbook in my inventory anymore. Are the numbers close to the roscolux line, only with an 8 in front? Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8B06BA82-4681-11D9-9184-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Am I here? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:50:18 -0800 On Dec 4, 2004, at 11:42 AM, David Marks wrote: > No stagecraft email in days.... I wrote back to David, but for the others benefit, this is just a lesson in replying to the "WARNING" messages you get from the list when it has had trouble reaching you :-) Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20041205060257.90816.qmail [at] web14101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 22:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Numbering the list messages >>Michael Cook wrote: >>I get the list in digest form. The messages are >>nicely numbered on the top. Any chance we could get >>the messages numbered in the lower portion >> of the digest, or even linked? I often spend many >>minutes trying to find the message I want to read >>and sometimes, I hate to admit, give up and delete >>the whole digest in frustration. Just wondering, Pat wrote: >I don't think it's easy - or even possible - to set >that up in the list software. Well, obviously, it isn't easy, or Noah would have done it by now, with as many requests as we've had. But is it possible? Well, they were numbered on the old list. I realize, this is a different system, but I keep hoping that there IS a way. Lacking that, is there any way to at least standardize the headers? It's hard to search for a subject line, when it's in a different place in each header. I guess that's a function of the sender's e-mail program, but it sure doesn't help you find a message or chase a thread. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041204225516.03e53d90 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:57:51 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Current Threads In-Reply-To: References:

At 11:13 AM 12/3/2004, you wrote: >Doc, who ran the iron shop >painted all of his stuff blue. And I do mean "all" of his stuff. When >Rudy, his head welder, walked away from you you were rewarded with a nice >view of his back....with a blue stripe painted down the center of it. > >Ah...... Those were the days. My father used to run a radio repair business back in the days before transistors. He kept all his tools painted brown and carried a small can of brown paint with him in case he found any new tools to his liking. Ah, the culture of the East Coast, I STILL don't know how my brother got a 55 gal drum of pool chemicals delivered/billed to work and then got it home. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 04:48:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c4daaf$8a9be120$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I don't think you can get > real gelatins > anymore -- or would want to. I dunno. There are those times when I'm dealing with some young hotshot and wish I had some gel he could go wash.... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 04:50:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c4daaf$d15c8510$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I don't > think I have a Roscolene swatchbook in my inventory anymore. Are the > numbers close to the roscolux line, only with an 8 in front? Not even close. ...And there are some colors that Rosco never ported over to Roscolux, notably Roscolene #802 (which, however, is the same as Lee #176). ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #216 *****************************