Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 7380650; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:00:17 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #217 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:00:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #217 1. Re: Listmembers in the L.A. area by IAEG [at] aol.com 2. Re: Sewing machine (and Latin lesson) by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 3. Re: Fixtures & Luminaires - Temp vs Portable by Mitch Hefter 4. Award for the longest signature by "Bill Conner" 5. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Mick Alderson 6. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Jason" 7. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 8. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by IAEG [at] aol.com 9. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Richard Niederberg 10. Re: Roscolene was:Rigging and Lighting ?? by Greg Bierly 11. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by Richard Niederberg 12. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 13. Re: Roscolene was:Rigging and Lighting ?? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 14. Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? by IAEG [at] aol.com 15. Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... by Martha Kight 16. New product by Jerry Durand 17. Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... by "Jon Ares" 18. Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... by Pat Kight 19. Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... by "Don Taco" 20. Question about plugs and connectors by Stuart Wheaton 21. Re: Question about plugs and connectors by Jerry Durand 22. Re: Question about plugs and connectors by "Jon Ares" 23. Re: Question about plugs and connectors by "Tony" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <59.1c3253e1.2ee45ff3 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 07:58:27 EST Subject: Re: Listmembers in the L.A. area In a message dated 12/4/04 7:47:02 PM, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com writes: >>the one in Orlando was a disaster, , , , horses on treadmills doing >the >>chariot race, , etc etc, , , went bankrupt, , badly marketed, bad >location , > >That was "Ben Hur" you are thinking about. Was staged at the Orange County > >Convention Center's Theatre. > >SteveV >Orl, FL > yeah, , i realized that about 10 minutes after I posted, , all those biblical epics kinda run together after a while ya know, , I hope no one has to stage a plague of locust, , that would be a challenge ( I will try NOT to think about staging a plague of toads and frogs, parting the Red Sea has to be easier ) very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Sewing machine (and Latin lesson) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 05:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: <00e201c4dacc$22397170$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: Thank you Frank. My Liber has become a tad faint. doomster ==================================================== A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. 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Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:52 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Sewing machine (and Latin lesson) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 04/12/04 09:12:13 GMT Standard Time, doomster [at] worldnet.att.net writes: > Oratre pro nobis. doom That should be: 'Orate pro nobis'. Pray for us. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20041205121721.020956e0 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:40:25 -0600 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: Fixtures & Luminaires - Temp vs Portable In-Reply-To: References: On 12/5/2004, Chris Babbie wrote: >An AHJ once told me that 'temporary' was usually described by intent. Since >the intent is that the next show likely would have the fixture (luminaire?) >in a different place, the intent is that it is temporary. Having an old >par can wired up to illuminate your driveway to work on your car, if left >there inbetween automotive maintenance issues, would be considered >permanent, even if it were installed exactly the same as the 'temporary' >installation in the theatre, defined by intent. A classic confusion of "temporary" in Code speak versus portable equipment. Following Chris's AHJ's logic, you would have to take down and reinstall lighting in clubs and restaurants and Broadway shows every 90 days. If you hard wired that PAR to illuminate the driveway, you have other issues as the luminaire is being outside its scope (e.g., UL listing). From the NEC Article on Temporary Wiring: "Except as specifically modified in this article, all other requirements of this Code for permanent wiring shall apply to temporary wiring installations." However, Plug-in Luminaires we use are portable, not temporary. While the usage may be temporary, it's not the installation. The installation is portable equipment plugging into a permanent installation or a portable distribution system. A subtle, but important difference. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter mitch.hefter at DesignRelief.com Member NEC Panel 15 Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlyte.com | http://www.etdimming.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 (Direct Line 214/ 647-7967) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002d01c4dafc$36ca5520$640a0a0a [at] schulershook.net> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Award for the longest signature Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:57:04 -0600 gd wrk CB BC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:46:50 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Message-id: Richard Niederberg wrote > >But they are delicious and strengthen your fingernails! >/s/ Richard > > I don't think you can get real gelatins >> anymore -- or would want to. >> -- Matt Especially the colors with Chromium and Cadmium in them (well, at least for a while...) Mick Alderson ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Jason" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:40:52 -0800 No they have ported 827 a very pretty pink that Jim Moody taught me how to use... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > > I don't > > think I have a Roscolene swatchbook in my inventory anymore. Are the > > numbers close to the roscolux line, only with an 8 in front? > > Not even close. > > ...And there are some colors that Rosco never ported over to Roscolux, > notably Roscolene #802 (which, however, is the same as Lee #176). > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:49:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c4db14$40114900$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > No they have ported 827 a very pretty pink that Jim Moody > taught me how to > use... Yeah, 827 was a really nice pink. Generally, I'm not impressed with Roscolux's magentas; I seem to remember that Roscolene had a couple of nice ones. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15c.44fdee0a.2ee4dcc5 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:51:01 EST Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? In a message dated 12/5/04 4:49:50 PM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: >> No they have ported 827 a very pretty pink that Jim Moody >> taught me how to >> use... > >Yeah, 827 was a really nice pink. > >Generally, I'm not impressed with Roscolux's magentas; I seem to >remember that Roscolene had a couple of nice ones. to this day, , I "think" in Roscolene, , , that's scary, , very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:51:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Message-ID: <20041205.135158.3540.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Wow, he taught me the same thing at the Greek Theatre in 1973! /s/ Richard > No they have ported 827 a very pretty pink that > Jim Moody taught me how to use... ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <44BF862F-4709-11D9-9D8B-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Roscolene was:Rigging and Lighting ?? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:01:51 -0500 I believe it was the LD for Manhattan Transfer that insisted on a cyan from the Roscolene swatch book a couple of years ago. It was tough to find but it was still available. It was a great color. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:01:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? Message-ID: <20041205.140115.3540.2.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg I guess I missed the Chromium and Cadmium part in the MSDS --no, wait, that wasn't a requirement 30 years ago... /s/ Richard > >But they are delicious and strengthen your fingernails! > >/s/ Richard > > >I don't think you can get real gelatins > > > anymore -- or would want to. > > > -- Matt > Especially the colors with Chromium and Cadmium in them > (well, at least for a while...) > Mick Alderson ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <45.1cd7bd6c.2ee4f88f [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:49:35 EST Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? In a message dated 05/12/04 21:51:40 GMT Standard Time, IAEG [at] aol.com writes: > >Yeah, 827 was a really nice pink. > > > >Generally, I'm not impressed with Roscolux's magentas; I seem to > >remember that Roscolene had a couple of nice ones. > > > to this day, , I "think" in Roscolene, , , that's scary, , You should be so lucky. I think in the old Strand numbers, for Cinemoid. Mercifully, the Lee numbers are very similar. Generally, I look at a Lee swatch book, and consider the transmission curves. I guess, first that it's because I'm out of a scientific background. I have a degree in Physics. Second, because I have sometimes been deceived by the appearance of a gel, and what it actually does when you use it. There are some gels which look like a nice blue, but show up with a lot of green, which I find a bad colour, in general. I shall never forget a colleague who lit one show with green moonlight. Awful! Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <68.4a43ceb2.2ee4fb94 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:02:28 EST Subject: Re: Roscolene was:Rigging and Lighting ?? In a message dated 05/12/04 22:02:53 GMT Standard Time, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: > I believe it was the LD for Manhattan Transfer that insisted on a cyan > from the Roscolene swatch book a couple of years ago. It was tough to > find but it was still available. It was a great color. Some colours are closely defined. They are important to TV engineers, film manufacturers, and printers. Cyan is one of them. 'Minus Red'. Also 'Yellow', minus Blue and 'Magenta', minus Green. Add in Red, Green, and Blue, and you have a complete system for specifying and creating colours. Look at how your colour printer works, with Cyan, Yellow, and Magenta inks. Theatrical colour mixing can work that way, but Red, Blue, and Green work better. At some cost in efficiency. Provided that you don't want any strong primary RGB, the secondary CYM mix will give you a brighter light. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <128.5170e1ad.2ee4fbc2 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:03:14 EST Subject: Re: Rigging and Lighting ?? In a message dated 12/5/04 6:50:11 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes: > I shall never forget a colleague who lit one show >with green moonlight. Awful! I always thought the moon was made of Green Cheese ? very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:17:35 -0800 From: Martha Kight Subject: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... All the talk of Agnes of God blood effects reminded me I need to share this with all y'all... Just closed Deathtrap on The Boat (Delta King Theatre here in Sacramento - very charming wee venue on an actual paddlewheeler) and our Props Master/Blood guy Shaun Carroll discovered a GREAT new material that will make your bloodpack needs SO much easier (DISCLAIMER: I do not work for nor do I get a kickback from the manufacturer :) ) Glad Press 'n' Seal. This stuff is GREAT. Shaun would just cut strip wide enough and twice as long as needed, fold it onto itself, and press most of a circle closed - then he'd fill it with blood through the remaining gap and press it closed, and trim it around the edges. SO easy to control size and amount, and when the actor playing Sidney was stabbed, he just palmed the bloodpack in the dark and smacked it on his chest (This scene is done in flashes of lightening) - it took a few tries for him to get the feel of where to hit it (we had a few nights of blood-drenched whitewashed wainscoating and a slick puddle or two, but this was also a BIG bloodpack) and it was a BEAUT'! I imaging the stuff has dozens of other great theatrical uses, since it will adhere to many different surfaces as well as to itself. Anyway, just a swell tip to share with anyone who needs it ( And who doesn't need a good bloodpack now and a-Sweeney-Todd/Deathtrap/Agnes-o'-God/Streamers-gain?!??) :) Cheers, -Martha Kight Synergy Stage, Sacramento, CA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Martha Kight ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041205163311.03f8afd0 [at] localhost> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:35:28 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: New product We now have a new product, a DMX512 isolator/splitter intended for permanent installations. It isn't on our web page yet, but anyone interested can contact me for more info. Our entire first batch will be installed in an architectural job this coming week, but we'll have more built next week. features: small size (fits in single gang outlet box) pigtailed wires for crimp connection to CAT5 one input, four outputs switchable termination on input input isolated from outputs and power supply runs on 9-30VDC 2 status LEDs thermal and short protected ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4db3c$4f68b780$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:35:54 -0800 > Glad Press 'n' Seal. This stuff is GREAT. Wow Martha... that is a GREAT idea for that product! Hmm, I wonder if Glad developers lurk this list and thought of a great innovation? :) (Imagine the fun they could have had in R&D....) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41B3C7EF.9050200 [at] peak.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:46:07 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... References:

In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: >Martha Kight wrote: >> Glad Press 'n' Seal. This stuff is GREAT. > > > Wow Martha... that is a GREAT idea for that product! That's my baby sister. (-: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01c801c4db3e$d644b9a0$d39e1518 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:53:59 -0800 You have a sisiter named 'Press 'n' Seal.' ?? Wierd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Kight" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Great new Bloodpack material, straight from your kitchen... > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jon Ares wrote: >>Martha Kight wrote: > > >>> Glad Press 'n' Seal. This stuff is GREAT. >> >> >> Wow Martha... that is a GREAT idea for that product! > > That's my baby sister. (-: > > -- > Pat Kight > kightp [at] peak.org > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41B3E886.1070404 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:05:10 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Question about plugs and connectors Perhaps I'm doing things that normal users don't do. When I get a new plug or connector out of the box, I usually plan to install it on the end of a wire or cable. In fact I've never, in my 20 plus year career, NOT intended to put it on a cable! So why do the Damn manufacturers insist on tightening every screw in the F***ing things? Sorry, been a long week. The Bahamas are mostly nice, but a week in the Freeport Drydocks just isn't on the tourism list, and for a good reason. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041205211107.029e06e0 [at] localhost> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:13:25 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Question about plugs and connectors In-Reply-To: References: At 09:05 PM 12/5/2004, you wrote: >When I get a new plug or connector out of the box, I usually plan to >install it on the end of a wire or cable. In fact I've never, in my 20 >plus year career, NOT intended to put it on a cable! So why do the Damn >manufacturers insist on tightening every screw in the F***ing things? I guess it's the same reason that makes enclosure manufacturers shrink-wrap every box with the screws in a little plastic bag inside. I've asked to buy the lids, bases, ends, and screws all packed separately. If I order a few thousand a month, yes, otherwise no. What fun unwrapping boxes and cutting open bags of screws. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c4db65$6c254c20$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Question about plugs and connectors Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:30:11 -0800 > I guess it's the same reason that makes enclosure manufacturers > shrink-wrap every box with the screws in a little plastic bag inside. > I've asked to buy the lids, bases, ends, and screws all packed separately. > If I order a few thousand a month, yes, otherwise no. Yeah, what's with that? And why are products now shipped in bullet-proof plastic (multi-layered) packs that require heavy duty scissors or a knife to open, only to result in slashed fingers and hands in an attempt to get the packaging open? This high-density plastic, or whatever it's called, is dangerous, and probably provides an immense impact on landfills. Nursing two recently-lascerated knuckles opening such packages.... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c4db73$3a45c730$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Question about plugs and connectors Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:08:57 -0000 Maybe to help with not losing those screws during transit....? ie if they shake loose they can disappear like the proverbial coins down the back of the sofa.....? Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wheaton" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:05 AM Subject: Question about plugs and connectors > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Perhaps I'm doing things that normal users don't do. > > When I get a new plug or connector out of the box, I usually > plan to install it on the end of a wire or cable. In fact > I've never, in my 20 plus year career, NOT intended to put > it on a cable! So why do the Damn manufacturers insist on > tightening every screw in the F***ing things? > > Sorry, been a long week. > > The Bahamas are mostly nice, but a week in the Freeport > Drydocks just isn't on the tourism list, and for a good reason. > > Stuart > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #217 *****************************