Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 8401487; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:00:24 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #225 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:00:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #225 1. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by Villem Teder 2. Re: OSB Question by "Immel,Patrick" 3. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 4. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by CB 5. Re: the ethos of sound ( and light ? ) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 6. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by CB 7. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by Charlie Richmond 8. Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 9. Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows by Charlie Richmond 10. Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows by "Jon Ares" 11. Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows by Charlie Richmond 12. Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows by Charlie Richmond 13. Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena by "Carson Koz Noel at LSFX Co." 14. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 15. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: plexi windows (was plexi floor) by Jerry Durand 17. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by Charlie Richmond 18. Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 19. by JLUCS [at] peddie.org 20. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 21. Folding and storing an RP screen. by Ben 22. Re: Folding and storing an RP screen. by "Storms, Randy" 23. Re: Folding and storing an RP screen. by Dale Farmer 24. Warning: OT (special SPAM at the Shubert Theatre!) by Michael Sorensen *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041211080003.007e9650 [at] mail.interlog.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:00:03 -0500 From: Villem Teder Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) If you take into account the difference in units used to discuss contrast, I think that it is only recently that video projection has caught up to what film is capable of. Frank mentions a density value of 3.0. In that world, the density is expressed as the common logarithm (base 10)of the ratio of intensities, most commonly to a reference of "full". A neutral density filter with a density of 0.3 transmits fifty percent light. A density of 3.0 transmits one one-thousandth of the original light, which I think is the same as a contrast ratio of 1000:1. There are video projection systems which are now claiming higher ratios as well. Sidestepping into the hornet's nest of surtitles, most people originally used slides, which were usually done on a black and film, which could achieve much darker blacks. The black background was not obvious as a rectangle drawing attention to it self, even in total blackouts. Video projection has not yet achieved comperable contrast ratios, at least not inexpensively. Back to the original discussion, part of the discussion hinges around the issue of the contrast ratio of the entire chain, from the studio to the viewers home. I'm not sure where to start looking for such information. I have heard that a TV set up to display an NTSC signal to maximum performance is darker than most people realize, and requires a rather dark room. Regards, Villem Teder Toronto ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE390244AC9DC [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: RE: OSB Question Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:48:03 -0600 From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: 12/10/2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: OSB Question What is OSB? *************************************** Go to this site: http://info.nwmissouri.edu/~pimmel/usitt/source_guide/index.htm then click on Issue#30 for a detailed explanation! HTH, Patrick Immel ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3a4c8334.2eec98f5 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:39:49 EST Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In a message dated 11/12/04 00:21:07 GMT Standard Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > The units are immaterial in a ratio, so long as they're the same on > each side of the equation. According to the sites I mentioned, on > 70mm film pure white is 1000x as bright as pure black. To be more > precise, black is 1/1000 the intensity of pure white. According to my reference sources, a typical film has an opacity of 1.07 when developed but unexposed, and of 398.1 after a long exposure. The opacity is the reciprocal of the transmission. More usually quoted is the density, which is the logarithm to base 10 of the opacity, and is more useful when considering the properties of film emulsions. The density range is 0.03 to 2.60. I know that special films, such as those used for lithographic plate making can achieve densitite of 3.0 or more. This represents an opacity of 1,000, but brings with it a 'brick wall' transfer characteristic. Below a certain exposure level, there is no effect: above it, you get full black, which is not much use if you want to achieve a grey scale. To get this, not all of the range is used. The relationship is seriously non-linear, and the extreme ends of the range are not often used. The working range is densities of about 0.3 to 2.6. I have no figures for colour films, but since they use dyes rather than silver, their spectral transmission properties need considered. When we turn to TV, there are two limits. The obvious one is the maximum brightness that the display tube can achieve. This is limited by the tube phosphors and by the energy of the electron beam which excites them. Most TV sets still use cathode ray tubes, and providing 25KV rathar than the more usual 12KV is tricky. And a high-energy electron beam takes more power to deflect it through a given angle. This is why conventional projection TVs use quite small tubes. The second limit is less obvious. Signal-to-noise ratio. There is bound to be some analogue circuitry, and digits are not immune. Black level is set to cut most of this out, And Peak White is defined by the display. Perhaps modern displays have better capabilities. I used to teach TV engineering, and often had to say to my classes "If we were starting now, we shouldn't have done it this way". But we did, and we have to pay the price. Granny won't thank you for sending out TV pictures with 1,000:1 contrast ratios. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041211114609.01814dc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:46:09 From: CB Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) >(one quoted line:three lines of substance. Good enough, CB?) Rockin. Now, what dept do I put you in so that yours gets the credit. I'm breaking it up into skweeks, squints, wood butchers, riggers and management. Academic or non, and it really doesn't matter where you work, its where your heart is. So far, squints are losing by a huge margin. I may have to do it by per capita post, as there are so few sound guys on the list. I dunno if we're winning because we follow instructions well, we're so polite, or we're so rare here. I'm thinking its the latter... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <197.33e7f592.2eec99ff [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:44:15 EST Subject: Re: the ethos of sound ( and light ? ) In a message dated 11/12/04 00:21:09 GMT Standard Time, davidmarks [at] att.net writes: > When comparing the contrast ratio of projectors make sure you are > comparing the same type of contrast. Full On/Off contrast will always be > a larger number than ANSI contrast for the same projector. Sensible. > I know I'm wasting my breath, despite having worked in TV > and film for 25 years. And I, for 28 years. But it's irrelevant, anyway. Even so, I knew the numbers. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041211115251.01814dc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:52:51 From: CB Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) >OK, back >in the eighties. The laws of Physics haven't changed since then. I don't know if you've noticed,but technology has made more leaps and bounds in entertainment, aerospace, electronics, computers, you name it, from the eighties to today than it has from the the 1800's to the eighties. Try to keep up, and do the research before offering phrases like "back of your neck". You need only to look to the manufacturers of todays set for specs that back up the numbers I've given. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:05:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > 1,000:1 contrast ratios. And since the subject includes sound, I'd like to point out a favourite comparison I like to use when discussing the difficulties of doing sound vs. light: The audible dynamic range in quiet performance venues such as concert halls is typically 80dB which is a logarithmic scale measurement that equates to a 10,000:1 ratio and digital audio equipment is commonly capable of more than 100dB or 100,000:1 which makes the purity of audio reproduction extrmely difficult and important to preserve. I think that's why we squeeks are so sensitive, follow instructions well, so polite, AND so rare ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FFAD [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: British PMs adn bullet proof windows Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:21:07 -0800 >regarding my reference to British PM and bullet proof windows needed post-Thatcher: Oops, my last post should have read "Blair", not Major. I'm in digest mode, so I'm betting there are a few replies correcting me before I see them and before I send this. My apologies to the Commonwealth. PS. Who is/was worse: Major or Blair? Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ****** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:35:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > PS. Who is/was worse: Major or Blair? In what respect? Major was never that popular but he was neither as unpopular as Blair is now or in fact as popular as Blair started out... Politically, Major was always a moderate conservative (rejected Thatcherism to a certain extent) whereas Blair started out on the Left and ended up on the Right. Plus Major was dynamite in bed whereas Blair has a heart condition... Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c4dfd3$38b89190$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:46:15 -0800 > Plus Major was dynamite in bed whereas Blair has a heart condition... > Personal reflection, or are you a tabloid fan? :) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:52:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Jon Ares wrote: > Personal reflection, or are you a tabloid fan? :) It was all the talk when Edwina Currie's book came out, telling all about it. Quite the discussion in all the papers including broadsheets... Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:53:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: British PMs adn bullet proof windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Jon Ares wrote: > Personal reflection, or are you a tabloid fan? :) Or are you referring to Blair and his brain condition? ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003401c4dfd9$8a0cd2d0$0501a8c0 [at] Kozmain1> Reply-To: "Carson Koz Noel at LSFX Co." From: "Carson Koz Noel at LSFX Co." Subject: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:31:23 -0700 Organization: LSFX Co. Being a former Stagehand Supervisor at this facility, all I'm going to say is Hmmmmmmmmm??? Chris B... I wasn't even near the building this time!!! Doom - If you happen to get a copy of the report for this, I would appreciate a copy. Here's the excerpt from MSNBC... ------------------------------------------------------ TucsonAZUSA - Fire broke out on the set of a Stephen King miniseries filming in the Tucson Convention Center arena Friday night, injuring three people and forcing the evacuation of nearly 2,000 concert-goers. Thick smoke quickly filled the arena and hung in the air outside as stunned fans of country-Western star Keith Urban watched firefighters rush into the arena to battle the three-alarm blaze. Once inside, firefighters couldn't see through the heavy smoke and had to use thermal-imaging cameras to find the origin of the fire and then had to contend with six live rattlesnakes loose on the set, said Deputy Chief Randy Ogden, a Tucson Fire Department spokesman. The fire started about 7:30 p.m. on the movie set of "Desperation," which occupied half of the floor of the arena, said Tommy Obyrmayer, deputy director of the TCC. Fans were filling the other half of the arena for the Urban concert. In addition to the movie and concert, the TCC was hosting several Christmas parties. Three people suffered facial and upper-body burns, but were not seriously injured, Ogden said. They were taken to St. Mary's Hospital, where they were treated and released, said hospital spokeswoman Jan Howard. Two other people had minor injuries from falls or bumps, Ogden said. TCC security and ushers worked "flawlessly" in evacuating the arena, he said. Sprinklers inside the arena helped to confine the fire to the set area and helped firefighters put out the blaze, which was under control in about 55 minutes, Ogden said. There was no structural damage to the arena, but the facility sustained smoke and heavy water damage, the extent of which hadn't been determined by late Friday. All six snakes were accounted for, said fire Capt. Paul McDonough. The biggest losses were incurred by the movie production company, which lost cameras, film, computers and various movie equipment, Ogden said. Fire investigators hadn't determined the precise cause of the blaze by late Friday, but the fire started inside a mine-shaft set and was contained to the set, Ogden said. The fire was not suspicious and there were no pyrotechnics or planned explosions on the set, Ogden said. The three-alarm blaze drew 63 firefighters, nine fire engines and three ladder trucks. For crowd control and dispersal, 30 Tucson Police Department officers were called in, said Sgt. James Stoutmeyer. Filmmakers had constructed the mine-shaft set and were filming a scene in which a group of Vietnamese miners runs through the shaft as it collapses around them. The production crew was using a machine to simulate smoke and dust, said Don Vongtheung, 20, of Tucson, who was an extra on the movie set, playing a Vietnamese miner. Some of the fake rocks being used apparently were ignited and caused "an explosion" and fire, he said. Vongtheung, who was not injured in the accident, said many of the film extras thought the explosion and smoke were part of the movie. But, he said, the director started telling everyone to "run, run." The production had been filming since 5:30 a.m. Friday and the mine-shaft scene was supposed to be the last scene shot Friday, Vongtheung said. The ABC/Disney miniseries "Desperation," based on the 1996 King novel, has been filming in Southern Arizona since November. Bisbee is being used as the haunted Nevada mining town of Desperation for its former mining company town status and its abandoned mine. On Nov. 30, a stretch of East Congress Street in Downtown Tucson was transformed into 1960s-era Vietnam and closed traffic in the area for a day. Miniseries production officials outside the TCC would not comment Friday night. Urban, an Australian performer, was on his first headlining tour and was named the Country Music Association's male vocalist of the year last month. His next scheduled stop is today at the House Of Blues in Las Vegas. Ashley Hunt and Cari Hopper drove 12 hours from Lubbock, Texas, to see the Urban concert and said they were irritated and sad it was canceled. "Adjectives couldn't even describe how mad we are," Hunt said. Obermaier said he expects the show will be rescheduled and that the TCC is preparing an announcement for refunds. Tucsonans Kerra and Doug Crawford were waiting for the concert to start when an announcer said there was a fire and everyone should leave. "The staff had everything together," Kerra Crawford said, adding that several thousand people walked from the arena in orderly fashion. The smoke wasn't visible until they neared the exists, the Crawfords said. Doug Crawford left his coat - with his wallet and keys inside - in the arena. As Crawford waited outside more than an hour later, he said he was told that the Fire Department would attempt to collect belongings. Carolynn Sizer and Brook King were headed to the Urban concert when an explosion rattled the doors to a room near the bottom of the escalator. A man ran out and said there was a fire inside. They saw flames inside the room before they quickly headed back upstairs. They, too, said the crowd was calm. There was no running or screaming, Sizer said. The Borderlands Theater production of "A Tucson Pastorela" continued next door at the Leo Rich Theatre, as did the Tucson Symphony concert at the Music Hall. "A Tucson Pastorela" is the only event scheduled at the TCC today. The next event is scheduled for Friday, when radio station KLPX presents Trans-Siberian Orchestra, a holiday rock opera. TCC events For information on Tucson Convention Center events, call 791-4101. The line will be staffed starting at 8 a.m. Also, an information office will be set up at the East Galleria. KGUN TV reports KGUN-9 TV reports on the three-alarm fire at the Tucson Convention Center that left five people with minor injuries and forced the evacuation of hundreds of others. ----------------------------------------------------- ---Local Paper--- 2,000 leave; blaze starts as 'Desperation' filming winds down By Eric Swedlund and Aaron Mackey ARIZONA DAILY STAR Fire broke out on the set of a Stephen King miniseries filming in the Tucson Convention Center arena Friday night, injuring three people and forcing the evacuation of nearly 2,000 concert-goers. Thick smoke quickly filled the arena and hung in the air outside as stunned fans of country-Western star Keith Urban watched firefighters rush into the arena to battle the three-alarm blaze. Once inside, firefighters couldn't see through the heavy smoke and had to use thermal-imaging cameras to find the origin of the fire and then had to contend with six live rattlesnakes loose on the set, said Deputy Chief Randy Ogden, a Tucson Fire Department spokesman. The fire started about 7:30 p.m. on the movie set of "Desperation," which occupied half of the floor of the arena, said Tommy Obermaier, deputy director of the TCC. Fans were filling the other half of the arena for the Urban concert. In addition to the movie and concert, the TCC was hosting several Christmas parties. Three people suffered facial and upper-body burns, but were not seriously injured, Ogden said. They were taken to St. Mary's Hospital, where they were treated and released, said hospital spokeswoman Jan Howard. Two other people had minor injuries from falls or bumps, Ogden said. TCC security and ushers worked "flawlessly" in evacuating the arena, he said. Sprinklers inside the arena helped to confine the fire to the set area and helped firefighters put out the blaze, which was under control in about 55 minutes, Ogden said. There was no structural damage to the arena, but the facility sustained smoke and heavy water damage, the extent of which hadn't been determined by late Friday. All six snakes were accounted for, said fire Capt. Paul McDonough. The biggest losses were incurred by the movie production company, which lost cameras, film, computers and various movie equipment, Ogden said. Fire investigators hadn't determined the precise cause of the blaze by late Friday, but the fire started inside a mine-shaft set and was contained to the set, Ogden said. The fire was not suspicious and there were no pyrotechnics or planned explosions on the set, Ogden said. The three-alarm blaze drew 63 firefighters, nine fire engines and three ladder trucks. For crowd control and dispersal, 30 Tucson Police Department officers were called in, said Sgt. James Stoutmeyer. Filmmakers had constructed the mine-shaft set and were filming a scene in which a group of Vietnamese miners runs through the shaft as it collapses around them. The production crew was using a machine to simulate smoke and dust, said Don Vongtheung, 20, of Tucson, who was an extra on the movie set, playing a Vietnamese miner. Some of the fake rocks being used apparently were ignited and caused "an explosion" and fire, he said. Vongtheung, who was not injured in the accident, said many of the film extras thought the explosion and smoke were part of the movie. But, he said, the director started telling everyone to "run, run." The production had been filming since 5:30 a.m. Friday and the mine-shaft scene was supposed to be the last scene shot Friday, Vongtheung said. The ABC/Disney miniseries "Desperation," based on the 1996 King novel, has been filming in Southern Arizona since November. Bisbee is being used as the haunted Nevada mining town of Desperation for its former mining company town status and its abandoned mine. On Nov. 30, a stretch of East Congress Street in Downtown Tucson was transformed into 1960s-era Vietnam and closed traffic in the area for a day. Miniseries production officials outside the TCC would not comment Friday night. Urban, an Australian performer, was on his first headlining tour and was named the Country Music Association's male vocalist of the year last month. His next scheduled stop is today at the House Of Blues in Las Vegas. Ashley Hunt and Cari Hopper drove 12 hours from Lubbock, Texas, to see the Urban concert and said they were irritated and sad it was canceled. "Adjectives couldn't even describe how mad we are," Hunt said. Obermaier said he expects the show will be rescheduled and that the TCC is preparing an announcement for refunds. Tucsonans Kerra and Doug Crawford were waiting for the concert to start when an announcer said there was a fire and everyone should leave. "The staff had everything together," Kerra Crawford said, adding that several thousand people walked from the arena in orderly fashion. The smoke wasn't visible until they neared the exists, the Crawfords said. Doug Crawford left his coat - with his wallet and keys inside - in the arena. As Crawford waited outside more than an hour later, he said he was told that the Fire Department would attempt to collect belongings. Carolynn Sizer and Brook King were headed to the Urban concert when an explosion rattled the doors to a room near the bottom of the escalator. A man ran out and said there was a fire inside. They saw flames inside the room before they quickly headed back upstairs. They, too, said the crowd was calm. There was no running or screaming, Sizer said. The Borderlands Theater production of "A Tucson Pastorela" continued next door at the Leo Rich Theatre, as did the Tucson Symphony concert at the Music Hall. "A Tucson Pastorela" is the only event scheduled at the TCC today. The next event is scheduled for Friday, when radio station KLPX presents Trans-Siberian Orchestra, a holiday rock opera. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Carson "Koz" Noel, III Light and Sound FX Company / LSFX Co. Tucson, Arizona Koz [at] LSFXCo.com 520.419.4529 - Phone 520.296.9751 - Fax ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <45.1d5d4565.2eece352 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:57:06 EST Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In a message dated 11/12/04 18:51:24 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: You need only to look to the manufacturers of todays set for > specs that back up the numbers I've given. Ah, well, if you are relying on manufacturere's specifications. I have, alas, met too many of them to place great faith in them. Some are real, and some are, shall we say, optimistic. They promise a level of performance which they cannot deliver. Complaints are followed bu the 'yes, but - - - scenario. If I am specifing gear, I write the specification. And the quotation and gear supplied had better meet it. For price, for perfomance, and all. I know what I want, and I know that it can be done. It's down the supplier to work out how. Of course, if they want to hir me in as a consultant, thgat's anothewr thing. I try not to propose problems to which I don't know plausible solutions. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8e.1c454d4e.2eece487 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:02:15 EST Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In a message dated 11/12/04 19:08:00 GMT Standard Time, charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com writes: > The audible dynamic range in quiet performance venues such as concert halls > is > typically 80dB which is a logarithmic scale measurement that equates to a > 10,000:1 ratio and digital audio equipment is commonly capable of more than > 100dB or 100,000:1 which makes the purity of audio reproduction extrmely > difficult and important to preserve. Fine. I think that you are right. Now, tell me how this relates to film exposure, and to TV dis[lays. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041211160915.04054e50 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:18:11 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: plexi windows (was plexi floor) In-Reply-To: References: At 09:13 PM 12/10/2004, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >About the lack of need of bullet proof windows over there: Didn't >Thatcher need a bunch? I dare say Major might consider some before his >last term is out (assuming this is his last term.) We were just looking at a closed Navy base near here for possible rental of some of the nice Type 1 magazines. There's a guard shack and two watch towers next to the magazines and I was surprised the windows are REALLY thick glass, not Lexan. The base was closed 8 years ago, but Lexan's been around a lot longer than that. Several people have used them for target practice, barely dented them. There's a picture of the guard shack here: http://www.interstellar.com/.temp/IM000503.JPG The windows have all been painted over (not sure why) and I didn't get any good pictures of the slightly damaged glass from all the bullet hits. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:29:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > Fine. I think that you are right. Now, tell me how this relates to film > exposure, and to TV dis[lays. It just relates to the subject and to Chris' concern about squeeks not contributing in a succinct manner. Charlie ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Cc: LSFXCo [at] cox.net ('Carson Koz Noel at LSFX Co.') Subject: RE: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:09:54 -0800 Message-ID: <003501c4dfe7$4afed2b0$8d90fea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: o.k. I will. Doom. I already have some people on it. We shall see. I have had several similar suits with incidents of the same the same type ... sad. doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Carson Koz Noel at LSFX Co. Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:31 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Being a former Stagehand Supervisor at this facility, all I'm going to say is Hmmmmmmmmm??? Chris B... I wasn't even near the building this time!!! Doom - If you happen to get a copy of the report for this, I would appreciate a copy. Here's the excerpt from MSNBC... ------------------------------------------------------ TucsonAZUSA - Fire broke out on the set of a Stephen King miniseries filming in the Tucson Convention Center arena Friday night, injuring three people and forcing the evacuation of nearly 2,000 concert-goers. Thick smoke quickly filled the arena and hung in the air outside as stunned fans of country-Western star Keith Urban watched firefighters rush into the arena to battle the three-alarm blaze. Once inside, firefighters couldn't see through the heavy smoke and had to use thermal-imaging cameras to find the origin of the fire and then had to contend with six live rattlesnakes loose on the set, said Deputy Chief Randy Ogden, a Tucson Fire Department spokesman. The fire started about 7:30 p.m. on the movie set of "Desperation," which occupied half of the floor of the arena, said Tommy Obyrmayer, deputy director of the TCC. Fans were filling the other half of the arena for the Urban concert. In addition to the movie and concert, the TCC was hosting several Christmas parties. Three people suffered facial and upper-body burns, but were not seriously injured, Ogden said. They were taken to St. Mary's Hospital, where they were treated and released, said hospital spokeswoman Jan Howard. Two other people had minor injuries from falls or bumps, Ogden said. TCC security and ushers worked "flawlessly" in evacuating the arena, he said. Sprinklers inside the arena helped to confine the fire to the set area and helped firefighters put out the blaze, which was under control in about 55 minutes, Ogden said. There was no structural damage to the arena, but the facility sustained smoke and heavy water damage, the extent of which hadn't been determined by late Friday. All six snakes were accounted for, said fire Capt. Paul McDonough. The biggest losses were incurred by the movie production company, which lost cameras, film, computers and various movie equipment, Ogden said. Fire investigators hadn't determined the precise cause of the blaze by late Friday, but the fire started inside a mine-shaft set and was contained to the set, Ogden said. The fire was not suspicious and there were no pyrotechnics or planned explosions on the set, Ogden said. The three-alarm blaze drew 63 firefighters, nine fire engines and three ladder trucks. For crowd control and dispersal, 30 Tucson Police Department officers were called in, said Sgt. James Stoutmeyer. Filmmakers had constructed the mine-shaft set and were filming a scene in which a group of Vietnamese miners runs through the shaft as it collapses around them. The production crew was using a machine to simulate smoke and dust, said Don Vongtheung, 20, of Tucson, who was an extra on the movie set, playing a Vietnamese miner. Some of the fake rocks being used apparently were ignited and caused "an explosion" and fire, he said. Vongtheung, who was not injured in the accident, said many of the film extras thought the explosion and smoke were part of the movie. But, he said, the director started telling everyone to "run, run." The production had been filming since 5:30 a.m. Friday and the mine-shaft scene was supposed to be the last scene shot Friday, Vongtheung said. The ABC/Disney miniseries "Desperation," based on the 1996 King novel, has been filming in Southern Arizona since November. Bisbee is being used as the haunted Nevada mining town of Desperation for its former mining company town status and its abandoned mine. On Nov. 30, a stretch of East Congress Street in Downtown Tucson was transformed into 1960s-era Vietnam and closed traffic in the area for a day. Miniseries production officials outside the TCC would not comment Friday night. Urban, an Australian performer, was on his first headlining tour and was named the Country Music Association's male vocalist of the year last month. His next scheduled stop is today at the House Of Blues in Las Vegas. Ashley Hunt and Cari Hopper drove 12 hours from Lubbock, Texas, to see the Urban concert and said they were irritated and sad it was canceled. "Adjectives couldn't even describe how mad we are," Hunt said. Obermaier said he expects the show will be rescheduled and that the TCC is preparing an announcement for refunds. Tucsonans Kerra and Doug Crawford were waiting for the concert to start when an announcer said there was a fire and everyone should leave. "The staff had everything together," Kerra Crawford said, adding that several thousand people walked from the arena in orderly fashion. The smoke wasn't visible until they neared the exists, the Crawfords said. Doug Crawford left his coat - with his wallet and keys inside - in the arena. As Crawford waited outside more than an hour later, he said he was told that the Fire Department would attempt to collect belongings. Carolynn Sizer and Brook King were headed to the Urban concert when an explosion rattled the doors to a room near the bottom of the escalator. A man ran out and said there was a fire inside. They saw flames inside the room before they quickly headed back upstairs. They, too, said the crowd was calm. There was no running or screaming, Sizer said. The Borderlands Theater production of "A Tucson Pastorela" continued next door at the Leo Rich Theatre, as did the Tucson Symphony concert at the Music Hall. "A Tucson Pastorela" is the only event scheduled at the TCC today. The next event is scheduled for Friday, when radio station KLPX presents Trans-Siberian Orchestra, a holiday rock opera. TCC events For information on Tucson Convention Center events, call 791-4101. The line will be staffed starting at 8 a.m. Also, an information office will be set up at the East Galleria. KGUN TV reports KGUN-9 TV reports on the three-alarm fire at the Tucson Convention Center that left five people with minor injuries and forced the evacuation of hundreds of others. ----------------------------------------------------- ---Local Paper--- 2,000 leave; blaze starts as 'Desperation' filming winds down By Eric Swedlund and Aaron Mackey ARIZONA DAILY STAR Fire broke out on the set of a Stephen King miniseries filming in the Tucson Convention Center arena Friday night, injuring three people and forcing the evacuation of nearly 2,000 concert-goers. Thick smoke quickly filled the arena and hung in the air outside as stunned fans of country-Western star Keith Urban watched firefighters rush into the arena to battle the three-alarm blaze. Once inside, firefighters couldn't see through the heavy smoke and had to use thermal-imaging cameras to find the origin of the fire and then had to contend with six live rattlesnakes loose on the set, said Deputy Chief Randy Ogden, a Tucson Fire Department spokesman. The fire started about 7:30 p.m. on the movie set of "Desperation," which occupied half of the floor of the arena, said Tommy Obermaier, deputy director of the TCC. Fans were filling the other half of the arena for the Urban concert. In addition to the movie and concert, the TCC was hosting several Christmas parties. Three people suffered facial and upper-body burns, but were not seriously injured, Ogden said. They were taken to St. Mary's Hospital, where they were treated and released, said hospital spokeswoman Jan Howard. Two other people had minor injuries from falls or bumps, Ogden said. TCC security and ushers worked "flawlessly" in evacuating the arena, he said. Sprinklers inside the arena helped to confine the fire to the set area and helped firefighters put out the blaze, which was under control in about 55 minutes, Ogden said. There was no structural damage to the arena, but the facility sustained smoke and heavy water damage, the extent of which hadn't been determined by late Friday. All six snakes were accounted for, said fire Capt. Paul McDonough. The biggest losses were incurred by the movie production company, which lost cameras, film, computers and various movie equipment, Ogden said. Fire investigators hadn't determined the precise cause of the blaze by late Friday, but the fire started inside a mine-shaft set and was contained to the set, Ogden said. The fire was not suspicious and there were no pyrotechnics or planned explosions on the set, Ogden said. The three-alarm blaze drew 63 firefighters, nine fire engines and three ladder trucks. For crowd control and dispersal, 30 Tucson Police Department officers were called in, said Sgt. James Stoutmeyer. Filmmakers had constructed the mine-shaft set and were filming a scene in which a group of Vietnamese miners runs through the shaft as it collapses around them. The production crew was using a machine to simulate smoke and dust, said Don Vongtheung, 20, of Tucson, who was an extra on the movie set, playing a Vietnamese miner. Some of the fake rocks being used apparently were ignited and caused "an explosion" and fire, he said. Vongtheung, who was not injured in the accident, said many of the film extras thought the explosion and smoke were part of the movie. But, he said, the director started telling everyone to "run, run." The production had been filming since 5:30 a.m. Friday and the mine-shaft scene was supposed to be the last scene shot Friday, Vongtheung said. The ABC/Disney miniseries "Desperation," based on the 1996 King novel, has been filming in Southern Arizona since November. Bisbee is being used as the haunted Nevada mining town of Desperation for its former mining company town status and its abandoned mine. On Nov. 30, a stretch of East Congress Street in Downtown Tucson was transformed into 1960s-era Vietnam and closed traffic in the area for a day. Miniseries production officials outside the TCC would not comment Friday night. Urban, an Australian performer, was on his first headlining tour and was named the Country Music Association's male vocalist of the year last month. His next scheduled stop is today at the House Of Blues in Las Vegas. Ashley Hunt and Cari Hopper drove 12 hours from Lubbock, Texas, to see the Urban concert and said they were irritated and sad it was canceled. "Adjectives couldn't even describe how mad we are," Hunt said. Obermaier said he expects the show will be rescheduled and that the TCC is preparing an announcement for refunds. Tucsonans Kerra and Doug Crawford were waiting for the concert to start when an announcer said there was a fire and everyone should leave. "The staff had everything together," Kerra Crawford said, adding that several thousand people walked from the arena in orderly fashion. The smoke wasn't visible until they neared the exists, the Crawfords said. Doug Crawford left his coat - with his wallet and keys inside - in the arena. As Crawford waited outside more than an hour later, he said he was told that the Fire Department would attempt to collect belongings. Carolynn Sizer and Brook King were headed to the Urban concert when an explosion rattled the doors to a room near the bottom of the escalator. A man ran out and said there was a fire inside. They saw flames inside the room before they quickly headed back upstairs. They, too, said the crowd was calm. There was no running or screaming, Sizer said. The Borderlands Theater production of "A Tucson Pastorela" continued next door at the Leo Rich Theatre, as did the Tucson Symphony concert at the Music Hall. "A Tucson Pastorela" is the only event scheduled at the TCC today. The next event is scheduled for Friday, when radio station KLPX presents Trans-Siberian Orchestra, a holiday rock opera. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- -------- Carson "Koz" Noel, III Light and Sound FX Company / LSFX Co. Tucson, Arizona Koz [at] LSFXCo.com 520.419.4529 - Phone 520.296.9751 - Fax ------------------------------ Subject: Message-ID: From: JLUCS [at] peddie.org Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:49:45 -0500 ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <141.3afe2cf5.2eed250b [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:37:31 EST Subject: Re: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) Cc: psyd [at] cox.net In a message dated 12/11/4 12:45:28 PM, psyd [at] cox.net wrote: <> So where do I fit in??? I'm... wife of stagehand IATSE stagehand theatre teacher makeup artist wardrobe/dresser et al. Jeez Chris. I thought you were my friend. ;( boo hoo. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <486dbc510412112123708207a6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:23:24 -0500 From: Ben Reply-To: Ben Subject: Folding and storing an RP screen. Hello. Quick question regarding the storage of an RP. We are loading out our current configuration of our black box tomorrow. A new addition to our config this year was a Black RP. It came to us just folded in a box straight off of another show. We now need to store it until next year. Our next semester config is in the round, so we have no use for it. Is there a proper way, or suggested way in how to store / fold it for a long duration to help to decrease the wrinkling? Thanks -ben -- Benjamin Travis ben.travis [at] gmail.com 781.223.5769 (m) 501.640.0371 (f) btravis [at] vtext.com (sms) ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Folding and storing an RP screen. Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:34:42 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B73239BE [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Cc: ben.travis [at] gmail.com (Ben) We've had our RP screen for about five years now. When not in use, we = fold it up like a drop and stick it back in it's box - it *does* get = creases, etc., but this is not a problem as the wrinkles don't show when = the screen is stretched back over it's fast-fold frame. A better = question is, how do you fold an rp screen without getting it all = dusty...?=20 -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- >Quick question regarding the storage of an RP. >Is there a proper way, or suggested way in how to store / fold it for a = long duration to help to >decrease the wrinkling? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41BBE3D0.7E2EFCEC [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:23:12 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Folding and storing an RP screen. References: Ben wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello. > > Quick question regarding the storage of an RP. > > We are loading out our current configuration of our black box > tomorrow. A new addition to our config this year was a Black RP. It > came to us just folded in a box straight off of another show. We now > need to store it until next year. Our next semester config is in the > round, so we have no use for it. Is there a proper way, or suggested > way in how to store / fold it for a long duration to help to decrease > the wrinkling? Ignore the wrinkling. ( But don't wad it up either) fold it so the metal snaps on the edges are not touching the actual screen. Those will leave little rings in the material that will be noticeable. Don't put it underneath anything, as then it will get 'ironed in' creases, that will take a long time to come out, and can lead to cracking where they weaken the material. Clean, cool, dry, and vermin-proof. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20041212083707.64128.qmail [at] web50707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:37:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sorensen Subject: Warning: OT (special SPAM at the Shubert Theatre!) In-Reply-To: Pardon the bandwidth and totally OT subject, but My lovely wife sent me this link... http://media.hormel.com/templates/knowledge/knowledge.asp?catitemid=3&id=268 Methinks that someone in New York should pick up a case and bring it to LDI next year...I'll chip in for a tin or two! Herrick, or anyone else interested? Michael Sorensen Lighting Designer and TD now in sunny Tucson, AZ attached is the article... Collector's Edition SPAM Product Now Available in Honor of Monty Python's SPAMALOT Collector’s Edition SPAM® Product Now Available in Honor of Monty Python’s SPAMALOT™ Hormel Foods introduces special edition flavor, SPAM™ Golden HONEY Grail Austin, Minn. (Nov. 29, 2004) – In honor of SPAMALOT, a new musical lovingly ripped off from the motion picture “Monty Python and the Holy Grail,” Hormel Foods is introducing a limited edition flavor, SPAM™ golden honey grail in a “SPAMALOT collector’s edition” can. The SPAM™ golden honey grail will be available, in limited quantities as of February 2005 at select New York City retailers, including Broadway merchandise stores and the Shubert Theatre merchandise kiosks. The can features SPAMALOT graphics and characters from the new musical and instructions in “SPAMALOT-ese” on how to “cooketh” SPAM®. “SPAM® products have been spoofed by the Monty Python comedy team for decades,” said Nick Meyer, senior product manager, Hormel Foods. “The brand is beloved by many, so we are pleased to offer this special collector’s edition can and SPAM™ golden honey grail to consumers.” SPAM® is the holy grail of canned meats,” says Eric Idle. “We’re thrilled to dine on SPAM™ golden honey grail at the round table of SPAMALOT.” SPAM™ golden honey grail will be available to the first 100 fans in line at the official opening of New York’s Shubert Theatre box office on Monday, Dec. 6, 2004 at 10:00 am. The Shubert is located at 225 West 44th Street, New York, NY. Monty Python’s SPAMALOT is directed by the legendary Mike Nichols and stars David Hyde Pierce, Tim Curry and Hank Azaria. The show begins previews at Broadway's Shubert Theatre (225 West 44th St.) on February 14, 2005, and opens on March 17, 2005. SPAMALOT™ will arrive on Broadway following a five-week World Premiere engagement at Chicago's Shubert Theatre (December 21, 2004 - January 23, 2005). SPAMALOT will only play at theatres called Shubert. If someone tries to convince you you're seeing SPAMALOT, and you find you're not at a theatre called Shubert, you're in the wrong place. About Hormel Foods Hormel Foods Corporation, based in Austin, Minn., is a multinational manufacturer and marketer of consumer-branded food and meat products, many of which are among the best known and trusted in the food industry. The company leverages its extensive expertise, innovation and high competencies in pork and turkey processing and marketing to bring quality, value-added brands to the global marketplace. In January 2001, January 2002 and January 2003, Hormel Foods was named one of “The 400 Best Big Companies in America” by Forbes magazine. The company enjoys a strong reputation among consumers, retail grocers, foodservice and industrial customers for products highly regarded for quality, taste, nutrition, convenience and value. For more information, visit www.hormel.com. About SPAMALOT™ SPAMALOT features a book by Eric Idle, based on the screenplay of Monty Python and the Holy Grail by Monty Python creators Graham Chapman, John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones and Michael Palin. The show features an entirely new score featuring music and lyrics by Eric Idle and John Du Prez, along with three songs from the 1975 film. Telling the legendary tale of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, and their quest for the Holy Grail, Monty Python's SPAMALOT features a chorus line of dancing divas and knights, flatulent Frenchmen, killer rabbits and one legless knight who create unforgettable musical production numbers that Eric Idle promises will be "as good as or quite likely better than any other show with killer rabbits and a legless knight opening on Broadway or in Chicago this season." For more information, visit www.MontyPythonsSpamalot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #225 *****************************