Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 9315482; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:00:36 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #231 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:00:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #231 1. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by "Paul Schreiner" 2. Re: cheapo foggers by Shawn Palmer 3. Re: cheapo foggers by "Karl G. Ruling" 4. Re: Tuscon arena by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 5. Re: Comment on lighting design by Mark Harvey 6. Stagecraft newsgroup by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 7. Re: Comment on lighting design by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 8. Re: Stagecraft newsgroup by "Tony" 9. Re: Comment on lighting design/Student web sites by usctd [at] columbia.sc 10. Wireless Mic slip ups by Colin Koffel 11. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by Mat Goebel 12. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by Dale Farmer 13. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by "Andy Leviss" 14. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by jonares [at] hevanet.com 15. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by Greg Bierly 16. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by "Tony" 17. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by Greg Bierly 18. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by Mat Goebel 19. OT: Holiday advice by CB 20. Re: tilting at windmills? by CB 21. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by CB 22. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by MissWisc [at] aol.com 23. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by Charlie Richmond 24. Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena by Jerry Durand 25. Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. OOO REPLY by CB 27. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by Stuart Wheaton 28. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by MissWisc [at] aol.com 29. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by "Jon Ares" 30. Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena by "Jason" 31. Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena by Jerry Durand 32. Re: Wireless Mic slip ups by "Randy Whitcomb" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: the ethos of sound (and light?) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C664 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Can we talk about a hypothetical performance environment=20 > which shares all of the=20 > the advantages and none of the disadvantages of both? >=20 > I didn't think so.. ;-) You mean something like a tape-delayed (for flubs) holographic (3-D, multiple viewing angles) broadcast of live theatre with a CGI interface for effects? Sounds a lot like a Holodeck to me... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C2F0EA.1070907 [at] northnet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:44:58 -0600 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: cheapo foggers References:

In-Reply-To: > I thought most cheapo foggers had a coffee machine thermal fuse stuffed > into the block's insulation. You can see the wires sticking out. Well > perhaps that's just the high end cheapo models . . . > > (How's that for an oxymoron! :-) > > Nathan Here's a blatant plug... and I do not work for Nathan :-) I got one of Look Solution's Unique Hazers. I highly recommend them. They are wonderful units. As has been said, you get what you pay for. And these aren't that expensive. FWIW, Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:41:41 -0500 Subject: Re: cheapo foggers Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <41C2B7E5.2151.670D87 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > >Note that better machines also have redundant thermostats or other > >over-temperature protection devices. If the main thermostat for the > >heater block fails in the "on" position and there is no safety > >backup, you could have a serious problem. The overheated fog is not > >something you want to breathe and the heater block may melt or start > >a fire. I have one of these cheapo foggers I disassemble for fog > >demonstrations; I haven't found its back-up overtemperature > >protection device, if it has any at all. To which Nathan Kahn wrote: > I thought most cheapo foggers had a coffee machine thermal fuse > stuffed into the block's insulation. You can see the wires sticking > out. Well perhaps that's just the high end cheapo models . . . There might be one there in that cheapo fogger I have, but I haven't found it yet because I haven't pulled out the block's insulation. There should be something like that in there, but I don't know. By the way, I have been told that most coffee makers now use two thermal fuses in series, and the few I have opened up do have two. Apparently there were some problems with a thermal fuse failing to open when it should, so now if the thing is running too hot, two fuses have to fail to work for there to be a problem. If the chance of one not working is one in a thousand, the chance of two both not working is one in a million. A tip I learned yesterday for F100 owners: if the back-up thermal protection trips, check the heater block insulation. If it has become saturated with fog fluid, it won't insulate very well, and the over- temp sensor, which is monitoring the temperature around the block, will see high temperatures and trip. Apparently soggy insulation, while not common, is not an unusual problem. Of course, then you have to figure out why it got soggy. Leaky connection? Spilled fluid? Leaky heater block? Best regards, Karl G. Ruling Technical Standards Manager ESTA 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 +1-212-244-1505 Fax +1-212-244-1502 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FFB8 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: Tuscon arena Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:28:45 -0800 Chris wrote: >As I understand it, the doors are fireproof but the smoke was >getting into the arena, and as the arena is downhill from the ex-hall, >that's where the water was ending up, so they evacuated. > Chris "Chris" Babbie soooo, you need water-proof, fire-proof doors? Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:38:07 -0600 From: Mark Harvey Subject: Re: Comment on lighting design Message-ID: <2147483647.1103283487 [at] umd52-36.d.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: References: I always appreciate it when students are bold enough to ask for feedback concerning their work. I think Todd's photos look great. He's got some excellent documentation to work with. What's needed is commentary. Todd probably knows a lot more about this show than he realizes, and he needs to document that information before he forgets it all. How many of us look at old photos of shows we've designed and asked, "Why did I do it that way? What was my reasoning behind that choice?" If Todd would set a goal for himself to add captions to each of the photos, eventually he'd realize which photos best illustrate what he wants to say about the production. And what he says about the production is just as important as quality images demonstrating the final result. In general, for those viewing the student's work with no prior knowledge of the play, I encourage design students to write briefly about what the playwright was intending to accomplish with the play, and what the director was attempting accomplish with this specific production. The rest of the commentary would be about how the lighting design help support the rest of the production. I team teach a portfolio class with two other faculty designers and we try to work through this issue with our own graduating students every year. In fact, the seven seniors graduating next spring have web sites up that Todd and others might look over for ideas. I've been preaching about this for so long, the students finally shamed me into putting my own work up with the best verbal explanation I could provide. It's not an easy process, but examples of what I attempt to teach can be seen at Mark Harvey ____________________________________ Mark Harvey Associate Professor, Theatrical Lighting and Sound Design University of Minnesota Duluth http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Comment on lighting design > > > Hi all, > > I've recently completed my biggest/most complicated lighting design > to=20 date, and was hoping that some list members could take a look > at some=20 photos and comment. I know that photos don't tell the full > story of a=20 lighting design at all, but I've done this in the past > on this list, and = > > some of the responses have been very helpful in terms of developing=20 > composition/color usage. > > The photos are online at: > > http://barbour-king-196.resnet.brown.edu/psyche/photos/photos.html ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:45:43 EST Subject: Stagecraft newsgroup Is it just me and my newsreader, or has the alt.stagecraft newsgroup vanished? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.3106476e.2ef478a8 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:00:08 EST Subject: Re: Comment on lighting design In a message dated 17/12/04 17:41:05 GMT Standard Time, mharvey [at] d.umn.edu writes: > I've been preaching about this for so long, the students finally shamed > me into putting my own work up with the best verbal explanation I could > provide. It's not an easy process, but examples of what I attempt to > teach can be seen at > Mark, I'll make you a compliment. I looked at your "Romeo and Juliet" set, as being the only play I know well. The pictures you have made are such as I should have made, in general. Two things stand out. The proper use of sidelights, which I can't do on an arena stage, and the properly modelled faces. I shouldn't say well done, because that implies that I am as good an LD as are you. But I think we are both singing from the same hymnbook. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <083e01c4e46a$823871a0$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Stagecraft newsgroup Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:59:12 -0000 Newp - just you, Frank! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Stagecraft newsgroup > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Is it just me and my newsreader, or has the alt.stagecraft newsgroup > vanished? > > Frank Wood > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1113.24.168.209.168.1103310904.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:15:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Comment on lighting design/Student web sites From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Mark, Kudos to you and the other faculty working with them. Fantastic results! -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:52:06 -0500 From: Colin Koffel Subject: Wireless Mic slip ups Message-id: <82FC0DDF-506D-11D9-94ED-000D93319DEC [at] oberlin.edu> Hi, A good Friday afternoon question that will help me immensely for a class assignment and provide hours of amusement (or at least a good ten seconds). I'm looking for anecdotes about moments when a mic should have been muted or should have been unmuted during a show. An example: during a high school production of Oklahoma, as soon as Judge Carnes got off stage after the trial, an amplified: "Oh ----! I gotta pee!" was heard by all in the audience. If you want, you can email me off list and I'll compile all the stories and share Thank you, Colin ________________________ Colin Koffel colin.koffel [at] oberlin.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:54:57 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups In-Reply-To: References: What about things heard while PFLing a mic that's backstage? On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:52:06 -0500, Colin Koffel wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > > A good Friday afternoon question that will help me immensely for a > class assignment and provide hours of amusement (or at least a good ten > seconds). > > I'm looking for anecdotes about moments when a mic should have been > muted or should have been unmuted during a show. An example: during a > high school production of Oklahoma, as soon as Judge Carnes got off > stage after the trial, an amplified: "Oh ----! I gotta pee!" was heard > by all in the audience. > > If you want, you can email me off list and I'll compile all the stories > and share > > Thank you, > > Colin > ________________________ > Colin Koffel > colin.koffel [at] oberlin.edu > > -- Mat Goebel Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C34B7F.427098A7 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:11:27 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups References: Colin Koffel wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > > A good Friday afternoon question that will help me immensely for a > class assignment and provide hours of amusement (or at least a good ten > seconds). > > I'm looking for anecdotes about moments when a mic should have been > muted or should have been unmuted during a show. An example: during a > high school production of Oklahoma, as soon as Judge Carnes got off > stage after the trial, an amplified: "Oh ----! I gotta pee!" was heard > by all in the audience. There is a funny scene in one of the Leslie Nielson movies showing exactly that. I think the second naked gun movie, but I'm not sure. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Cc: mgoebel [at] gmail.com ('Mat Goebel') Subject: RE: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:27:49 -0500 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <004301c4e47f$429691c0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: > What about things heard while PFLing a mic that's backstage? IMHO, these are things that a professional, or one with a professional attitude, will forget or, at worst, not repeat. Care and feeding of actors is very important to the sound engineer/technician's job, and the trust that you won't use the technology in your hands to invade their privacy is a very important thing. When I started my first touring job, the designer who hired me reminded me that theatre, and sound in particular, is a very, very small world. The impression you make on people here on this list can very seriously affect your career in this little family of ours, for the better or for the worse. It may sound silly, but you could very well lose a job to somebody else down the line just because they came across as more respecting of their co-workers while you came here and talked about things you overheard during your mic checks. I'm sure this sounds like I don't have a sense of humor, but don't get me wrong. I've certainly laughed to myself at picking less than ideal moments to check a mic, and have even had actors who knew my typical routine say hi to me from offstage when I went through to check; the difference is that I don't go around sharing the things I hear. In fact, with those few general exceptions, I tend to let them go right out of mind. My job when I'm working as an A2 is to be listening to the quality of the signal of what's being said, not the content. FWIW, Andy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200412172132.iBHLWCQ06759 [at] pop.hevanet.com> From: jonares [at] hevanet.com Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:32:12 GMT > I'm looking for anecdotes about moments when a mic should have been > muted or should have been unmuted during a show. Well, I was on a gig when the mic was left open as a Federal Judge went to the lil boy's room.... and he is the one who relates this story when talking to attorneys at lectures and seminars all the time! For a few years, every time I saw him, he'd always bring up that event - he's got a great sense of humor. -- Jon Ares ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:58:43 -0500 >> What about things heard while PFLing a mic that's backstage? > > IMHO, these are things that a professional, or one with a professional > attitude, will forget or, at worst, not repeat. I had only been on the list for a couple of months when I posted a college practical joke I (and a few others) had done on the set of a musical. I got a somewhere between a good tongue lashing to an all out flame for my prior actions (that had taken place about 10 years prior). So for you newer people on the list just a warning think twice before you post a "prank" or at least have very thick skin. I myself have decided not to post the pfl wireless mic feed stories I have. I will mention the spx90 on the stage managers clearcom. The pitch shifter and the sample functions can be good for a laugh during a lighter moment during REHEARSAL! After four years on the list I have a little tougher skin so bring on the flames ;-) Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <086b01c4e483$a95dc500$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:59:15 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Koffel" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Wireless Mic slip ups > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > > A good Friday afternoon question that will help me immensely for a > class assignment and provide hours of amusement (or at least a good ten > seconds). > > I'm looking for anecdotes about moments when a mic should have been > muted or should have been unmuted during a show. An example: during a > high school production of Oklahoma, as soon as Judge Carnes got off > stage after the trial, an amplified: "Oh ----! I gotta pee!" was heard > by all in the audience. > > If you want, you can email me off list and I'll compile all the stories > and share > > Thank you, > > Colin Not a PFL moment, but humorous just the same. "Snoopy" the Musical, a couple of years ago. Actress playing Maisie (?) went to the ladies room, pulled up her drawers, forgetting about the mic pack, which fell out of the cloth bag tied about her waist and fell into the pan..... PRE flush! She told the soundie what had happened..... AFTER she had placed the transmitter pack in his hands!!! (The pack never did work after that, though the company replaced it!!) Ynot ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <373EA008-5077-11D9-9D95-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:34 -0500 >> What about things heard while PFLing a mic that's backstage? > > IMHO, these are things that a professional, or one with a professional > attitude, will forget or, at worst, not repeat. I had only been on the list for a couple of months when I posted a college practical joke I (and a few others) had done on the set of a musical. I got a somewhere between a good tongue lashing to an all out flame for my prior actions (that had taken place about 10 years prior). So for you newer people on the list just a warning think twice before you post a "prank" or at least have very thick skin. I myself have decided not to post the pfl wireless mic feed stories I have. I will mention the spx90 on the stage managers clearcom. The pitch shifter and the sample functions can be good for a laugh during a lighter moment during REHEARSAL! After four years on the list I have a little tougher skin so bring on the flames ;-) Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:08:03 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups In-Reply-To: <004301c4e47f$429691c0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> References: <004301c4e47f$429691c0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> You know, I actually agree. Sorry. It was a stupid high school situation anyway... On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:27:49 -0500, Andy Leviss wrote: > > What about things heard while PFLing a mic that's backstage? > > IMHO, these are things that a professional, or one with a professional > attitude, will forget or, at worst, not repeat. Care and feeding of > actors is very important to the sound engineer/technician's job, and the > trust that you won't use the technology in your hands to invade their > privacy is a very important thing. When I started my first touring job, > the designer who hired me reminded me that theatre, and sound in > particular, is a very, very small world. The impression you make on > people here on this list can very seriously affect your career in this > little family of ours, for the better or for the worse. It may sound > silly, but you could very well lose a job to somebody else down the line > just because they came across as more respecting of their co-workers > while you came here and talked about things you overheard during your > mic checks. > > I'm sure this sounds like I don't have a sense of humor, but don't get > me wrong. I've certainly laughed to myself at picking less than ideal > moments to check a mic, and have even had actors who knew my typical > routine say hi to me from offstage when I went through to check; the > difference is that I don't go around sharing the things I hear. In fact, > with those few general exceptions, I tend to let them go right out of > mind. My job when I'm working as an A2 is to be listening to the quality > of the signal of what's being said, not the content. > > FWIW, > Andy > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 > > -- Mat Goebel Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041217152747.01812598 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:27:47 From: CB Subject: OT: Holiday advice >"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with >the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and >well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, >chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body >thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming >"WOO HOO what a ride!" Thank you, I knew I ws following someone's instructions to a 'T'. I'm stealing this, and I'd love to know who the quotee is. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041217153448.01812598 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:34:48 From: CB Subject: RE: tilting at windmills? >I have a lot of training in combat, from some very good instructors. >When I see people espousing practices that ALL of those instructors >would be railing against as "unsafe", and when I myself understand much >safer ways to perform the illusions involved, leaving these other >comments from other individuals unchallenged in a public forum is >negligent on my part. Frank and I have decided that we will take our discussion off-list. If we come to any conclusions, we will post those, and those alone. I, too, have a friend referred to as 'One-eyed Jack', and feel much as you do. OTOH, if things seem to have gotten out of hand, and there are some that think that they have, the relative calm of the list can be maintained and the subject left alone. This doesn't mean that the issue is resolved, but that we agree that its too emotionally charged to keep up. Suffice it to say that both sides have been exposed and explored, and any youngun's on the list that takes any advice hear without exploring contrary opinions ws doomed from the start anyhoo. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041217155913.01812598 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:59:13 From: CB Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) >What is this group doing discussing the limitations of a medium that has none of >the freedom of the live stage? What is the point? > >Of course, the live stage has lots of limitations that TV and film don't have. >Can we talk about a hypothetical performance environment which shares all of the >the advantages and none of the disadvantages of both? I can speak of a medium that has all the disadvantages of both and the advantages if neither! I cut my TV teeth mixing for a live variety/comedy/music show. Later, I was the mix engineer and the remote engineer. Did this gig for music, theatre, sports, whatever. Live TV has all of the freedom of the stage without the safety net of a second or third take. I'd have it no other way, and EVERY ONE of my studio experinces (audio recording, television production and editing) bored me to tears. Imagine recording every tech rehearsal you ever went to and never seeing the show! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <55.68c63c65.2ef4c03f [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:05:35 EST Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Cc: Colin.Koffel [at] oberlin.edu The example I use to illustrate this for my students is when a US president, (Ronald Regan, I believe - I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), was getting ready for a radio address. He jokingly said something like "We begin bombing Russia in 5 minutes." Of course the news media loves to twist anything it can and no politician can take a joke so it was a major incident. Andy is right... selective amnesia for things you hear and see backstage is an excellent skill to develop. And I don't recommend you save it for the book you write once you retire from the road and all the actors are dead and can't defend themselves. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:06:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, CB wrote: > take. I'd have it no other way, and EVERY ONE of my studio experinces > (audio recording, television production and editing) bored me to tears. I completely agree with you there... > Imagine recording every tech rehearsal you ever went to and never seeing > the show! Great analogy.... LOL! Charlie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041217152023.03950e48 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:23:13 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena In-Reply-To: References: At 05:58 AM 12/16/2004, you wrote: >burn/hurt yourself" caveats and warnings do apply.> Also remember that current federal regulations (Safe Explosive Act) say you have to have at LEAST an ATF permit to have "anything that can be made to explode". The Consumer Product Safety Commision is also investigating (one injunction filed already) people who sell things like sulfur and cardboard tubes that could be made into explosives. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12d.51f87dc8.2ef4c4eb [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:25:31 EST Subject: Re: the ethos of sound (and light?) In a message dated 17/12/04 22:57:06 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > I can speak of a medium that has all the disadvantages of both and the > advantages if neither! I cut my TV teeth mixing for a live > variety/comedy/music show. Later, I was the mix engineer and the remote > engineer. Did this gig for music, theatre, sports, whatever. Live TV has > all of the freedom of the stage without the safety net of a second or third > take. I'd have it no other way, and EVERY ONE of my studio experinces > (audio recording, television production and editing) bored me to tears. > Imagine recording every tech rehearsal you ever went to and never seeing > the show! I agree, in general. There is something about doing a live show, on stage or wherever. When I was younger, TV was like that. No re-takes: it went on air as you did it. That meant that you had to get it right first time, and also that you had to have in mind what to do if something went wrong. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041217163233.01812598 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:32:33 From: CB Subject: OOO REPLY >Hi and thanks for writing. Sara and I are out of the country on our >16-month delayed honeymoon! We'll be checking email every few days if >possible, and get back to you when we return after Dec. 27. > >If you have an emergency or an urgent need to contact us, call or text >message Willy's mobile phone and we'll try to get back to you quickly >or when phone service permits. Hey, Noah! Willy keeps bouncing my posts me back to me, teasing me that he and his wife get to take a vacation. Any way to stop that till he gets back on the 27th? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C37407.7010301 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:04:23 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups References: In-Reply-To: MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > The example I use to illustrate this for my students is when a US president, > (Ronald Regan, I believe - I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), was getting > ready for a radio address. He jokingly said something like "We begin bombing > Russia in 5 minutes." Of course the news media loves to twist anything it can > and no politician can take a joke so it was a major incident. It was Ronald REAGAN. And it was a particularly stupid and un-funny thing to say near a live microphone at that time in history. I don't think the media twisted it, they just reported it. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <30.6816af44.2ef4d847 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:48:07 EST Subject: Re: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net In a message dated 12/17/4 5:59:23 PM, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net wrote: <> Thank you! See??? I KNEW someone would correct me. :) And I agree.. he was out of line to make the comment, yet I don't think it warranted the hours of talking heads debating what he "meant" by it. Similar incident... some TV kids show host (in the 1960s?) who, after signing off and believing the mic was dead said "That ought to hold the little ba$t [at] rds." He was fired. I also remember from the mid 1970s a TV anchor on a Wausau, WI channel who was winding down in the last half hour of the Jerry Lewis MDA telethon after being awake all weekend. His famous last words: "I don't give a F_ _ _ how much you give, just give." He was fired immediately and it took a long time for him to find a job in TV again - but he did. Like we've said before: every gun is loaded, every mic is on, the knife is sharp, and if you blow your stack at someone today... tomorrow he will probably be your boss. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c4e4a1$1a835a20$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:30:05 -0800 > Similar incident... some TV kids show host (in the 1960s?) who, after > signing > off and believing the mic was dead said "That ought to hold the little > ba$t [at] rds." He was fired. > I remember calling a theatre box office once - listened to the recording, and right before the the person recording said, "Do you think anyone will buy that?" -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Jason" References:

Subject: Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:50:03 -0800 Your saying that we should save our toilet paper and paper towels core? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" > > Also remember that current federal regulations (Safe Explosive Act) say > you > have to have at LEAST an ATF permit to have "anything that can be made to > explode". > > The Consumer Product Safety Commision is also investigating (one > injunction > filed already) people who sell things like sulfur and cardboard tubes that > could be made into explosives. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041217180557.03958348 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:08:11 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Fire in Tucson Convention Center Arena In-Reply-To: References:

At 05:50 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote: >Your saying that we should save our toilet paper and paper towels core? I saying we're being very careful now how we refer to things and who we deal with. Of course, we've also invited someone from the State Fire Marshall's office and a BATFE inspector to our next pyro meeting. Never hurts to be friendly with the people inspecting you. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006301c4e4c2$9cdfaf70$0200a8c0 [at] D4D3R151> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: Wireless Mic slip ups Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:29:57 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Like we've said before: every gun is loaded, every mic is on, the knife is > sharp, and if you blow your stack at someone today... tomorrow he will > probably > be your boss. Actually it was a year and a half. My first year here we had a weekend rental group in, and all of our folding tables were gone. In fact there were no tables in the whole school, and we needed them. Our tables are even labeled "Do not remove from Auditorium." Sunday afternoon a truck shows up at the loading area with all the tables. A business teacher borrowed them for his daughter's wedding. I lit into him. He later became Athletic/Activities Director. Not my actual boss but he had some control over our area, and was never easy to work with. As for mic slips; in a recent production of "Singing In the Rain", the actors playing Don and Kathy were newlyweds. They REALLY kissed on stage. Both were mic'ed and it was not a pleasant sound. They faked it after that. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #231 *****************************