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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #241

 1. Re: How much does scrim stretch?
    by FREDERICK W FISHER <fwfisher [at] facstaff.wisc.edu>
 2. pirate ship for peter pan
    by "vinny.paragone" <vinny.paragone [at] knology.net>
 3. Re: DMX512 Question (long)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 4. Attached scrim bags
    by Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
 5. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 6. Re: How much does scrim stretch?
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 7. Re: How much does scrim stretch?
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
 8. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 9. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
10. Re: How much does scrim stretch?
    by Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
11. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
12. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
13. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
14. Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
    by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
15. Re: pirate ship for peter pan
    by "Delbert Hall" <flyingfx [at] hotmail.com>

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:16:52 -0600
From: FREDERICK W FISHER <fwfisher [at] facstaff.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: How much does scrim stretch?
Message-id: <85911d85bc2e.85bc2e85911d [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu>

Perhaps people specifying new goods don't know about it.  Since you 
are a manufacturer, perhaps you could briefly describe it and tell 
people how to spec it on orders.
Thanks,
Fred Fisher

----- Original Message -----
From: Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: How much does scrim stretch?

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>----------------------------------
> -----------------
> 
> FREDERICK W FISHER wrote:
> 
> >  The replacement one we had made came with it's own little bag
> >sewn to the top hem 
> >
> 
> I'm actually surprised that more people do not ask for these bags.
> 
> Barney Simon
> J C Hansen Co.
> Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors
> 

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Date: 27 Dec 2004 17:57:29 -0000
Message-ID: <20041227175729.23115.qmail [at] webmail1.knology.net>
From: "vinny.paragone" <vinny.paragone [at] knology.net>
Subject: pirate ship for peter pan
References: 
In-Reply-To: 

Does anyone have a design for a pirate ship to be used in Peter Pan? I am 
also looking for suggestions on creating the lagoon and the hut.

Thanks,
-- 
Vinny Paragone


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <155.46ccdae2.2f01ba45 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:19:33 EST
Subject: Re: DMX512 Question (long)

In a message dated 24/12/04 19:31:21 GMT Standard Time, 
mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes:

> For example, lets' look at an input connector at one end of the line (the 
>  booth), another in the middle (house tech position), and the other end at 
>  the dimmer rack (with its built in termination).  When the console is 
>  plugged into the booth, you have one transmission line with termination at 
>  both ends.  If you plug the console in at the tech position, which is 
using 
>  a single connector (not a pass-thru design), you now have termination in 
>  the middle of the line and at one end, and a nice noise antenna from the 
>  tech position to the booth. 

We're not quite on the same wavelength. What you call 'pass-thru', I call 
daisy chain.

The best way to do what you propose is to have a single link from the console 
to the dimmers, and a permanent 'extension cable' to the 'house tech' 
position.  For the tech, you plug the DMX line from the dimmers to the house 
position, and the console at the other end of the tie-line. When the console is back 
at home, the tie-line is connected to nothing.

This may complicate the wiring runs, but it will work reliably, and conform 
to the specification. Our 'black box' theatre has five possible sites for the 
console. To avoid problems, there is a patch panel at the dimmer end, where the 
terminator is.

It is theoretically possible to calculate odd terminations for star systems, 
but it's easier to avoid them. Certainly in composite video distribution, it 
is not done. Monitoring equipment may bridge the line, which is what I mean by 
'daisy-chain'. Such gear comes with two connectors, which make your 'short 
stub' or provide a termination. Personally, I prefer not to have 
'bridge/terminate switches. These are too easy to set wrong when changing equipment. Either 
the line goes on, or it is terminated. Either way, something must be connected 
to both plugs.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <41D060F6.2010905 [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:22:30 -0500
From: Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Subject: Attached scrim bags
References: <list-10722746 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-10722746 [at] prxy.net>

FREDERICK W FISHER wrote:

>Perhaps people specifying new goods don't know about it.  Since you 
>are a manufacturer, perhaps you could briefly describe it and tell 
>people how to spec it on orders.
>

The main type that I have worked with is nothing more than a 24" strip 
of muslin sewn to the top of a scrim, used to wrap the scrim/cyc when it 
is bundled to the pipe, wrapped in this muslin and tie into a bundle 
with the ties, This is good if you store your scrims this way.  One 
problem with this is the dirt/rust/stuff that comes off the pipe and is 
trapped with the scrim.  I have also seen these where the strip is sewn 
at the bottom so that the scrim never has to touch the ground as it is 
raised or lowered.  This style I have also done that are on the side and 
used when the unit travels and then is wrapped in the stacked position, 
for either storage or removal.

I have also built units that have an actual envelope type bag that the 
scrim/drop/cyc is folded accordion fold style as the batten is lowered, 
then the unit is rolled across the stage into the envelope at the 
opposite side and is then tied closed.  This is good when you store the 
units off the pipe.  It can also be set up to fold first to the side, 
but it is not efficient as to the install/strike.

The problem with all if these is hiding the bag/wrap when the unit is in 
use.  Does it flat like a flag in the wind when the AC is on? Or does 
the wrap hang in plain site at the top (or does the wrap that the bottom 
hang too low to clear the stage space then the unit is flown out)? I 
personally believe that any of these devices are better to be attached 
at the bottom, so as not to interfere with the lighting.   As to how to 
actually specify it, _most_ of the orders I have dealt with have been 
verbal orders, but certainly a drawing helps to make all clear.

Barney
JC Hansen Co
Drape, Drops and Dance Floors


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <e1.98badfa.2f01bb3d [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:23:41 EST
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!

In a message dated 25/12/04 15:55:53 GMT Standard Time, 
lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu writes:

> Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!

That's my boy! To hell with PC!

Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <dc.1ca98ffb.2f01bba2 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:25:22 EST
Subject: Re: How much does scrim stretch?

In a message dated 25/12/04 19:40:34 GMT Standard Time, 
stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes:

> > The ends of the scrim are better supported because there's a 
>  > side hem.  Yes, the center would be the part that bows.
>  
>  We could always laminate the scrim between two very large pieces of
>  Plexiglas (r).

ROTFLMAO!


Frank Wood

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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <bf.4d9f731b.2f01bd5e [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:32:46 EST
Subject: Re: How much does scrim stretch?


  We could always laminate the scrim between two very large pieces of
  Plexiglas (r)

Jeff, 

non glare Plexiglass of course.


very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:33:35 -0500
Message-ID: <002c01c4ec4b$1964b830$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-10765703 [at] prxy.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com

> That's my boy! To hell with PC!

What's wrong with being Politely Considerate?


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Subject: RE: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <721DC9EE550F834A92EC08BDC332B0EE152048 [at] trader.river.idm.com>
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com

>What's wrong with being Politely Considerate?

Not a thing, but that doesn't mean we all have to pretend the holidays =
are generic.  They're not, and I see nothing wrong with people greeting =
me w/Merry Christmas, or any other greeting for that matter.  It's just =
a greeting, after all.

So, I'll say MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone!  and others can greet me in the =
name of their holiday, if they wish.

/rant on

This thing of trying not to offend anyone, at any cost, has gotten out =
of hand.  Did you hear that some high school history teacher in =
California (where else?) got in trouble for handing out the Declaration =
of Independence to his students, because Jefferson mentions God in it?  =
(And I assure you, Jefferson himself did not embrace any religion, =
Christian or otherwise.  To oppose using the very document that founded =
our country, in a HISTORY class, because of supposed church/state issues =
shows just how little those folks understand the document, and the life =
& principles of the man who wrote it. Even more reason to study it!).  =
What's going on isn't consideration or politeness (which are always =
appropriate), it's outright intolerance.

/rant off


- Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com)
---------------------------
http://www.stagelights.info

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Message-ID: <41D06954.9000403 [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:58:12 -0500
From: Barney Simon <barney [at] JosephCHansen.com>
Subject: Re: How much does scrim stretch?
References: <list-10766453 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-10766453 [at] prxy.net>


>  We could always laminate the scrim between two very large pieces of
>  Plexiglas (r)
>
>non glare Plexiglass of course.
>  
>
Could this then be flipped to act as the perennial plexi stage deck?
Barney

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <d.3a6b1752.2f01e247 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:10:15 EST
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!

In a message dated 27/12/04 19:36:08 GMT Standard Time, 
stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes:

> > That's my boy! To hell with PC!
>  
>  What's wrong with being Politely Considerate?

Nothing at all. But you know, as well as I do that this means Politically 
Correct. The consequences of this are frightneinng.



Frank Wood

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:28:12 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c4ec63$7e068350$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-10785616 [at] prxy.net>


>  
> >  What's wrong with being Politely Considerate?
> 
> Nothing at all. But you know, as well as I do that this means 
> Politically 
> Correct. The consequences of this are frightneinng.

Yeah, wow, people might actually start considering the feelings of
others.  That would be terrible!


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <da.1be50383.2f01f31f [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:22:07 EST
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!

In a message dated 27/12/04 22:30:29 GMT Standard Time, 
stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes:

> > Politically 
>  > Correct. The consequences of this are frightneinng.
>  
>  Yeah, wow, people might actually start considering the feelings of
>  others.  That would be terrible!

Try not to be a bigger fool than God made you. 



Frank Wood

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From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <2b.694b7522.2f01f573 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:32:03 EST
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!

Speaking of being inconsiderate:

>>  Yeah, wow, people might actually start considering the feelings of
>>  others.  That would be terrible!

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes:
>  Try not to be a bigger fool than God made you. 

Jeffrey Drucker
Production Manager
Bard College Theater & Dance Depts.
845-758-7956
drucker [at] bard.edu

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Message-ID: <BAY16-F1452F7FA5275E8CFD3F98CC29A0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-10757082 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Delbert Hall" <flyingfx [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: pirate ship for peter pan
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:10:21 -0500

Vinny - Having done over 100 productions of PETER PAN, I have seen a lot of 
good and bad sets for the pirate ship.  I probably have several designs for 
the pirate ship in my file cabinets.  What size is your stage?  Anything 
special that you are looking for in the ship?  Email me privately.

I am in Tampa until Jan 1, but I will look to see what I have when I get 
back.

-Delbert

Delbert L. Hall
423-773-HALL (4255)




>From: "vinny.paragone" <vinny.paragone [at] knology.net>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: pirate ship for peter pan
>Date: 27 Dec 2004 17:57:29 -0000
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Does anyone have a design for a pirate ship to be used in Peter Pan? I am
>also looking for suggestions on creating the lagoon and the hut.
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Vinny Paragone
>



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