Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 11064710; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:01:24 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #242 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:01:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #242 1. PAUL RICHARDSON/QVC is out of the office. by PAUL_RICHARDSON [at] qvc.com 2. Bracing Legs for triscuit staging by "Josh Wirtz" 3. Triscuit Studwall ?? by "Josh Wirtz" 4. Re: pirate ship for peter pan by Jason Romney 5. FS: Whirlwind Qbox | Lead on Swizz Army Tester by andy [at] ducksechosound.com 6. Re: pirate ship for peter pan by "Jon Ares" 7. Scenic printing on wide format printers by "Jon Ares" 8. Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers by Stuart Wheaton 9. Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers by Mark O'Brien 10. Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers by "Jon Ares" 11. Interlectural property rights by "Delbert Hall" 12. Re: A new one, but related to: RE: DMX512 Question by Jerry Durand 13. Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers by "Jon Ares" 14. Re: Interlectural property rights by John McKernon 15. Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers by Mark O'Brien 16. Re: Interlectual property rights (Long-ish post....) by "Tony" 17. Re: Interlectual property rights (Long-ish post....) by "Joe Meils" 18. Re: Interlectural property rights by Boyd Ostroff 19. Re: Interlectual property rights (Long-ish post....) by Stuart Wheaton 20. Re: Intellectual property rights by John McKernon 21. Re: Interlectural property rights by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 22. Re: FS: Whirlwind Qbox | Lead on Swizz Army Tester by Greg Bierly 23. Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers by Greg Bierly 24. Re: pirate ship for peter pan by Greg Bierly 25. Re: FS: Whirlwind Qbox | Lead on Swizz Army Tester by andy [at] ducksechosound.com 26. Re: Interlectual property rights by "Samuel L. Jones" 27. Re: Intellectual property rights by "Tony" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: PAUL RICHARDSON/QVC is out of the office. From: PAUL_RICHARDSON [at] qvc.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:35:45 -0500 I will be out of the office starting 12/27/2004 and will not return until 01/04/2005. In my absence, please contact Chuck Grill or Paul Vorlicek at 6908 to take care of your live show needs. Scheduling questions should be refered to Chuck Lester at 1546. I will respond to any other emails as soon as I return. Thanks-- ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:46:47 -0600 From: "Josh Wirtz" Subject: Bracing Legs for triscuit staging Can the triscuit staging system that was recently discussed (wood not metal) be used at a 4foot height without crossbracing on the truss leg system? I cannot lag into my stage floor, so can simple crossbraces at the foot of the legs be sufficent, or are diagonal crossbraces necessary to prohibit parallelogramming? Josh Wirtz ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:02:28 -0600 From: "Josh Wirtz" Subject: Triscuit Studwall ?? In the tech brief for triscuit staging, it states that triscuits can be used on studwalls that are 2' apart, but the triscuits are designed to bolt into studwalls that are 4' apart. Is this a misprint, or are studwalls needed in the middle of a triscuit that the triscuit is not bolted to? Am I misinterpretting this? Josh Wirtz ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0DB7CED5-58DB-11D9-B387-000D93B4343A [at] cd-romney.com> From: Jason Romney Subject: Re: pirate ship for peter pan Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:16:23 -0500 Whatever you do, please don't use a design from someone who hasn't granted permission for you to use it. It's a real slap in the face (also illegal) to us designers who design for a living when people get a hold of our previous designs and use them without permission, compensation, and our knowledge. Jason Romney Sound Design Instructor North Carolina School of the Arts jason [at] cd-romney.com romneyj [at] ncarts.edu http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/ http://www.cd-romney.com On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > Vinny - Having done over 100 productions of PETER PAN, I have seen a > lot of good and bad sets for the pirate ship. I probably have several > designs for the pirate ship in my file cabinets. What size is your > stage? Anything special that you are looking for in the ship? Email > me privately. >> From: "vinny.paragone" >> Does anyone have a design for a pirate ship to be used in Peter Pan? >> I am >> also looking for suggestions on creating the lagoon and the hut. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1988.67.85.231.27.1104250769.spork [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:19:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: FS: Whirlwind Qbox | Lead on Swizz Army Tester From: andy [at] ducksechosound.com Hey gang, I recently ordered myself a Qbox* so I'd have one for my personal toolbox (been using tour-supplied ones on the last two tours, which is always nice), and it turned out to be on backorder when I received the other goodies in my order. In the meantime, I managed to find it elsewhere and, being on a brief holiday from home and with shipping being the pain it is once I'm back out on tour, I ordered that one. Only thing I didn't know was that the first one I ordered was considered a special order item and they won't let me cancel the order for it (don't you love when they don't tell you that it's a special order *before* or even *when* you order it, and just let you think it's something they ran out of stock of, since they list it in their catalog/website regularly, *cough*Sweetwater*cough* :o) Anyway, I'm now stuck with an extra, brand new in the box Whirlwind Q-Box. Before I try to go to the hassle of returning the second one (aka the first one to arrive), I figured I'd see if there's somebody here interested in buying it. Street price is $150, I'll take care of shipping. Hell, if you can do Pay Pal or some other form of payment that clears before it gets in at Sweeetwater, I'll even see if I can have them ship it right to you directly. E-mail me off-list at Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com if you're interested. ====== On another note, I also recently picked up an Ebtech Swizz Army tester, which is the greatest full size multi-cable tester (the greatest cable tester, IMHO, being Rat Sound's sniffer/sender pack, which only does XLRs, but does 'em in the field, powered optionally off phantom, and tells you exactly what's wrong with the cable, not just that it's bad). If anybody's in the market for it, BSW (http://www.bswusa.com) is selling them for $75! Get 'em before they realize what they're doing, because from what I'm told this is actually _below_ standard wholesale on them. Dunno if they've got a deal worked out with Ebtech or something, but typical street on this is about $120, and list is $180, so if it's of use, you're nuts not to jump on it :o) Best, Andy *-If you're a sound guy, you probably know what a Qboxis, if not, check out http://www.whirlwindusa.com/test.html) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c4ed00$520d9020$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: pirate ship for peter pan Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:11:49 -0800 > Whatever you do, please don't use a design from someone who hasn't granted > permission for you to use it. It's a real slap in the face (also illegal) > to us designers who design for a living when people get a hold of our > previous designs and use them without permission, compensation, and our > knowledge. Thank you for writing that, Jason. One time I was gleefully contacted by someone who lifted a design from me, and he asked for additional assistance from me. Not only did he swipe my design for the set, but also the artwork for the poster and program. He was truly excited about this - it was so wonderful that people like me were out there to make his life so much easier! -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c4ed06$c07b76c0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Scenic printing on wide format printers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:57:52 -0800 Greetings all... I'm contemplating a set design with long banners of printed text on it... I know that Rose Brand and others can print stuff on various FR materials. This could be terribly expensive for my production perhaps, then I remembered I have access to a wide-format inkjet 'plotter.' KeyComp or CadComp or CadJet or something like that. Anyway, has anyone ever tried stuffing some form of flame-retardant material through one of these things? Or, any suggestions on FR-ing paper after being printed by an inkjet? Just mulling my options... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41D1A3C8.5030700 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:19:52 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers References: In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: > Greetings all... I'm contemplating a set design with long banners of > printed text on it... I know that Rose Brand and others can print stuff > on various FR materials. This could be terribly expensive for my > production perhaps, then I remembered I have access to a wide-format > inkjet 'plotter.' KeyComp or CadComp or CadJet or something like that. > Anyway, has anyone ever tried stuffing some form of flame-retardant > material through one of these things? Or, any suggestions on FR-ing > paper after being printed by an inkjet? Or cut a roll vinyl frisket on your plotter with your text, apply the vinyl frisket to your banner, lift out the text, airbrush into the holes, remove the frisket. Getting a knife for most plotters for cutting vinyl lettering is pretty easy. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1104257695.d85403784b7f8 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:14:55 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers References: In-Reply-To: I have done this with my HP Design Jet 3000 For banners & such it worked GREAT. I have also printed 54" w material to cover flats. I got the various material from JSI Signs 800-241-0262 the stuff is made by Rexam 1-800-628-8604 Call me if you need more info. -- Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 (Call my mobile, 'cause I'm on vacation) 520/591-1803 Mobile Quoting Jon Ares : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all... I'm contemplating a set design with long banners of > printed text on it... I know that Rose Brand and others can print stuff on > various FR materials. This could be terribly expensive for my production > perhaps, then I remembered I have access to a wide-format inkjet 'plotter.' > KeyComp or CadComp or CadJet or something like that. Anyway, has anyone > ever tried stuffing some form of flame-retardant material through one of > these things? Or, any suggestions on FR-ing paper after being printed by an > inkjet? > > Just mulling my options... > > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts > www.hevanet.com/acreative > www.wlhstheatre.org > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c4ed0a$0a0b38e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:21:24 -0800 > Getting a > knife for most plotters for cutting vinyl lettering is > pretty easy. > Yeah, except this is an inkjet, not a 'real' pen plotter from the day. :) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Interlectural property rights Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:16:58 -0500 In many instances it is illegal to use someone else's interlectual property (scenic design, lighting design, music, images from a web site, artwork, design for a performer flying system, written or spoken words, video images, architectural design, etc.) without their permission. To so do opens yourself up to a legal action, should the owner wish to take such action. We are seeing a lot of legal action right now involving interlectural property rights in the moving light industry. There was a article on this topic in the latest issue of a major industry publication. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) > > One time I was gleefully contacted by someone who lifted a design from >me, and he asked for additional assistance from me. Not only did he swipe >my design for the set, but also the artwork for the poster and program. He >was truly excited about this - it was so wonderful that people like me were >out there to make his life so much easier! > > -- Jon Ares >Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts >www.hevanet.com/acreative >www.wlhstheatre.org > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041228134549.029e7d18 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:06:06 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: A new one, but related to: RE: DMX512 Question In-Reply-To: References: At 12:53 PM 12/23/2004, you wrote: [only some wires connected] >Anyone else run across this? I've been told it is both Strand and ETC >standard termination procedure. I've run across this in a lot of cases, very often with RS-232 connections. I've had to fix an entire building where they ran multi-pair cable everywhere but only connected TX, RX, and ground at every drop (very much like what you've seen). The really hard to believe ones are where the chip used on the PC board has support for all the pins but they didn't bother to run the traces over to the connector. The data sheet for a Gigabit Ethernet chip I'm using says that so many networks are wired with some of the pairs left off, they added a special feature to test which pairs are there and drop back to lower speeds to use fewer pairs. I don't understand people's logic at times. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c4ed2a$55d2bc60$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:12:35 -0800 > I have done this with my HP Design Jet 3000 For banners & such it worked > GREAT. > I have also printed 54" w material to cover flats. What was the material? I Googled Rexam, and got a company that makes plastic and glass containers. I suppose they could also make such material to stuff in a printer, but they don't mention it. Other research I've come up with shows a company or two that sell various FR fabrics - polyvoile, and such. Has anyone used these things? What's the material feel like/drape like? I was finding that the rolls of this fabric, 33 feet long, is running over $250 each. Each banner I'd make would be at least 20' long... this might be a really expensive route, after all! (I am looking at perhaps a dozen banners.) But I can't imagine Rose Brand would do this cheaper than I could..... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:03:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Interlectural property rights From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > In many instances it is illegal to use someone else's interlectual property > (scenic design, lighting design, music, images from a web site, artwork, > design for a performer flying system, written or spoken words, video images, > architectural design, etc.) without their permission. In EVERY case it is illegal. All of our work is protected by copyright, whether explicit or implied, and cannot be copied without permission. Only if the work has specifically been released into the public domain by the author can it be copied. - John McKernon ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1104278274.dec85469ce2a4 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:57:54 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers References:

In-Reply-To: It was not the banner material that killed me, it was the ink system. Ink for this printer is about 150.00 a color to replace. Material from rexamgraphics.com -- Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile Quoting Jon Ares : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I have done this with my HP Design Jet 3000 For banners & such it worked > > GREAT. > > I have also printed 54" w material to cover flats. > > > What was the material? > > I Googled Rexam, and got a company that makes plastic and glass containers. > I suppose they could also make such material to stuff in a printer, but they > don't mention it. > > Other research I've come up with shows a company or two that sell various FR > fabrics - polyvoile, and such. Has anyone used these things? What's the > material feel like/drape like? > > I was finding that the rolls of this fabric, 33 feet long, is running over > $250 each. Each banner I'd make would be at least 20' long... this might be > a really expensive route, after all! (I am looking at perhaps a dozen > banners.) But I can't imagine Rose Brand would do this cheaper than I > could..... > > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts > www.hevanet.com/acreative > www.wlhstheatre.org > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00d801c4ed3b$eb5a17e0$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Interlectual property rights (Long-ish post....) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:18:23 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKernon" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Interlectural property rights > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > In many instances it is illegal to use someone else's interlectual property > > (scenic design, lighting design, music, images from a web site, artwork, > > design for a performer flying system, written or spoken words, video images, > > architectural design, etc.) without their permission. > > In EVERY case it is illegal. All of our work is protected by copyright, > whether explicit or implied, and cannot be copied without permission. Only > if the work has specifically been released into the public domain by the > author can it be copied. > > - John McKernon > > As it's Christmas, I'm going to chuck a grenade in here...... (What? "AGAIN?!" I hear you all cry....?) 8-)))) Where is the line drawn between licentious theft of an idea and mere use of a genre? Obviously, at the farthest end of the scale, if a designer decides to lift and shift wholesale the entire set of a play/show and drop it onto his/her stage and claim it as their own work, then that would be a clear contravention of copyright. But what about a designer who sees a show, or a TV event and thinks "Hey! That bit looks good and/or interesting" and files an idea for set/lighting/effect away for reference, and later (maybe years later) dipping into memory banks and using a modified part of what they recall to add to a design they're conceiving? How far would you say he/she could go before infringing copyright? It may not even be for the same production..... I'm sure we have ALL done this to some extent in the past. OK - as an amateur in a small venue I doubt seriously that anyone would feel too threatened if I used a (probably poor) copy of part someone else's design. (Note, please, that I've never actually copied anywhere near a complete stage set at all - this is just an example!) Look at this in another way - how do even the great designers begin their working lives? Probably by imitating those who've gone before them, using samples of good work as a basis for their theses, etc, and expanding them to suit their needs. If no-one ever 'copied' anyone else, we'd soon run out of ideas, surely? Going back to the filed memory of an effect experienced in the past, any good designer would likely take their memory of the day they saw it first, and build upon it to incorporate it into their new concept. Parts may be recognisable whilst others not, but I'd honestly doubt that it could be deemed as grounds for a court case unless it was something pretty darned specific. Here's an example. Say a designer watching a period Greek piece in one theatre saw the way the Grecian pillars were arranged just so and the way the lighting highlighted both the columns and the background magnificently. Five years later, he/she is designing for the same, or a similar production, and recalls that earlier show and thinks "That's JUST the effect I'd like to use, though with one or two variations, maybe with colour or whatever". Does said designer hunt down the original guy to say "Hey - I loved your work five years ago - can I use the same ideas now?" Personally, I'd doubt it (though of course, I could be wrong!). Surely this level of 'plagiarism' exists in some form throughout the industry? It HAS to, in just the same way as the talent will copy moves or mannerisms in their performances. Isn't the more logical word to use here "Influences"? Good/great designers are influenced by others, but will adapt what they've seen to fit their own needs.I'm sure that when credit is due, those worth their salt will give it, either in print or by word of mouth. There will of course always be those who might abuse the custom, but they'll be there regardless, unfortunately. As a closer, going back to my earlier example of the Grecian columns, how far does one go back to find the 'original' designer for credit? Ancient Greece, perhaps........??!! 8-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000e01c4ed44$536c9300$45edbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References:

Subject: Re: Interlectual property rights (Long-ish post....) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:18:36 -0600 I'm glad you're on this subject, myself. We're currently in the very early stages of planning for a production of Lewis Carrol's "Hunting of the Snark" using an original play adaptation from a local author. It's being aimed as a children's theatre peice. As we understand it, the original story is in the public domain. The producers, however, are very adamant that the entire production have a sort of Terry Gilliam "look" to it. Primarily, they wanted the cluttered, mideval painting feel that Gilliam brought to some of his earlier works. Specifically, "Time Bandits" and "Jabberwoky." Personally, I have no problem with this, since he based his design on several period artists, and illustrators. But now, you have me thinking, and I'm going back and adjusting a few elements that MIGHT be considered to be a rip off. Luckily, I have about a year before we actually start the build for this show. Joe Meils Children's Theatre 2 Go Conway, Arkansas > > > > In EVERY case it is illegal. All of our work is protected by copyright, > > whether explicit or implied, and cannot be copied without permission. Only > > if the work has specifically been released into the public domain by the > > author can it be copied. > > > > - John McKernon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Interlectural property rights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If there's one thing I can't stand, it's them damn interlecturals! | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41D21B44.8070802 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:49:40 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Interlectual property rights (Long-ish post....) References:

In-Reply-To: Tony wrote: > > Where is the line drawn between licentious theft of an idea and mere use of > a genre? > > Obviously, at the farthest end of the scale, if a designer decides to lift > and shift wholesale the entire set of a play/show and drop it onto his/her > stage and claim it as their own work, then that would be a clear > contravention of copyright. Well, partly the question will have to do with the script. Doing Sweeney Todd without a tricked out barber chair would be less than the script demands. But the shape, color and signage of Mrs. Lovett's pie shop should not be identical to any other show you have seen. Probably anything you re-create from memory after 3-5 years will have fuzzed at the edges enough to be safe. If you are working from research, you should probably try to exclude other productions of that show. Look for the era, the styles, but put your own stamp on things. Probably anything moved from one media to another will become derivitive enough that it will count as inspired rather than plagiarised. I recall a production of Pirates of Penzance done in the style of cartoonist Ronald Searle. To my knowledge, Searle has never designed a set for Pirates, but the designer used the same style of pen and ink line work, and lots of cats hiding all over. If you design for your space, your budget and your production capabilities, you will be forced to be somewhat original. I wonder if lazy designers are less of a problem than directors who want a set "Just like the one...." Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:16:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Intellectual property rights From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > If there's one thing I can't stand, it's them damn interlecturals! Personally, I wish more folks would turn on their spell checkers...:( - John McKernon ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:55:03 GMT Subject: Re: Interlectural property rights Message-Id: <20041228.195602.25428.94860 [at] webmail25.lax.untd.com> ... or if it has passed out of Copyright by the passage of time... ... or if the copier can legitimately claim 'fair use'... ... of if the copying is part of a critical (or non-critical) review... Please examine again Title 17 of the US Code (the Copyright Act). /s/ Richard All of our work is protected by copyright, whether explicit or implied, and cannot be copied without permission. Only if the work has specifically been released into the public domain by the author can it be copied. - John McKernon ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <24EAC982-5951-11D9-8FEA-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: FS: Whirlwind Qbox | Lead on Swizz Army Tester Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:21:43 -0500 > Dunno if they've got > a deal worked out with Ebtech or something, but typical street on this > is > about $120, and list is $180, so if it's of use, you're nuts not to > jump > on it :o) I am guessing Ebtech lis loosing their *ss. They make one of the best cable checkers I have ever used and worth every penny at $100 plus. I would pay the $75 in a heartbeat. Most people would buy the Behringer EXACT knockoff for MSRP of $59.99. I know a bunch of you have been harping on Behringer for a while. How they stay in business when they are obviously ripping off others so blatantly, I'll never know. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2BC9A1A2-5951-11D9-8FEA-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Scenic printing on wide format printers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:21:54 -0500 > I'm contemplating a set design with long banners of printed text on > it... I know that Rose Brand and others can print stuff on various FR > materials. Or, any suggestions on FR-ing paper after being printed > by an inkjet? Try your local print shops. Prices are coming down all the time. Many of the smaller shops are looking to get their names out. I have found them very helpful with suggestions and materials. Their prices fall somewhere between printing it yourself and Rosebrand. If you have the time (ha... did I just say that to a group of theatre people?), it never hurts to ask. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <30C65DFC-5951-11D9-8FEA-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: pirate ship for peter pan Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:22:02 -0500 > Not only did he swipe my design for the set, but also the artwork for > the poster and program. He was truly excited about this - it was so > wonderful that people like me were out there to make his life so much > easier! Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery ;-) Just kidding. I can't believe the nerve of some people. I can't say that I have never copied an idea. I just mix it together with a blending of shows, pictures, art, books I have seen with a things I have come up with on my own into a design I feel I can call my own. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3195.67.85.231.27.1104295832.spork [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:50:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: FS: Whirlwind Qbox | Lead on Swizz Army Tester From: andy [at] ducksechosound.com Re: BSW selling the Ebtech Swizz Army tester for only $75, Greg Bierly wrote: > I am guessing Ebtech lis loosing their *ss. They make one of > the best > cable checkers I have ever used and worth every penny at $100 > plus. I > would pay the $75 in a heartbeat. Apparently they dropped the retail price, based on a later followup I had with my salesguy at Sweetwater (who, I should add, finally made good on the Qbox for me). Sweetwater's now dropped their price to $99.97, which is much sweeter than $120, but still BSW is selling at a much tighter margin (or has lined up a better deal from Ebtech, perhaps they buy in more bulk?). But yes, this thing is killlllller, and well worth the $180 it lists (used to list?) for. Comprehensive LED matrix to show you how it's wired, shows pin 1 to chassis shorts, latching intermittent indicator, tone generator, all in a beefy as a tank steel box with a beltclip. This is the cable tester dreams are made of > Most people would buy the > Behringer > EXACT knockoff for MSRP of $59.99. LOL, I first found out about this because I saw an ad for the Behringer, and knew it was too good a design to be original, so I asked around and was pointed to the Ebtech. For $15 more, your conscience should feel a lot better with the original. Besides, it's a nifty blue color, compared to that boring silver of the Behringer :o1 > I know a bunch of you have been > harping on Behringer for a while. How they stay in business > when they > are obviously ripping off others so blatantly, I'll never know. Uninformed musicians and pushy salesguys at Guitar Centers who get off on the higher profit margin and easier sell resulting from a lower price. That, and lots of people with lower standard of ethics than ours. But mostly the lack of knowing any better. --Andy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.822 / Virus Database: 560 - Release Date: 12/22/2004 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <9D903AD4-5968-11D9-BB6B-00039313C6D2 [at] ucla.edu.> From: "Samuel L. Jones" Subject: Re: Interlectual property rights Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:09:43 -0800 I'm an old country boy, and this seems pretty easy. However complicated the law is, it would seem that right and wrong go this way.... If you use the work of somebody else, you need to give them credit and pay them what they ask. You can be inspired by their work. You can get ideas from their work. Maybe a tricky part is when you significantly change their work with your own input, but if all the straight rip offs were eliminated, and the obvious use of other's work acknowledged and compensated, I bet we wouldn't be spending much time with the tricky part. It's hard to make something better from something that is already good, and who wants to use the bad stuff? IMHO, Sam Samuel L. Jones Technical Director, Dance Program, Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA. sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <011d01c4ed89$801aa9b0$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Intellectual property rights Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:33:44 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKernon" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Intellectual property rights > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > If there's one thing I can't stand, it's them damn interlecturals! > > Personally, I wish more folks would turn on their spell checkers...:( > > - John McKernon Yup. My spill chocker cathes most of my mistooks.....! 8-))))) > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #242 *****************************