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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #259

 1. More Strand 300 help please....!
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 2. Re: New Contact Info and Gypsy Costumes
    by "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
 3. Dance Floor experiences?
    by Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
 4. Re: More Strand 300 help please....!
    by "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
 5. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 6. Re: More Strand 300 help please....!
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 7. Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
 8. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 9. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
10. Free dimmers!
    by "Bill Potter" <bpotter [at] choate.edu>
11. Re: Kaypro 2
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
12. Re: Angle iron
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
13. Free plotter
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
14. USITT-Chesapeake MiniEXPO 05
    by gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
15. USITT-Chesapeake MiniEXPO 05
    by gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
16. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by doran [at] bard.edu
17. Dimmers are gone
    by "Bill Potter" <bpotter [at] choate.edu>
18. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
19. Jobs in Toronto?
    by Matthew Kopans <mjkopa [at] yahoo.com>
20. Re: Jobs in Toronto?
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
21. Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!
    by "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
22. Re: wet dimmers
    by "Keith Fleschner" <keithfleschner [at] msn.com>
23. Re: Grates in the floor was Thar be water......
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
24. Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!
    by ". Mitch  Hefter" <mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com>
25. Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!
    by mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
26. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
27. Re: Silica
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
28. Re: Kaypro 2
    by "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
29. Re: Kaypro 2
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
30. Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
31. Re: Kaypro 2
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
32. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
33. Re: Jobs in Toronto?
    by Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
34. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
35. Re: Kaypro 2
    by "Gulig, Arthur F." <AGULIG [at] uwec.edu>
36. Re: Kaypro 2
    by Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
37. Re: Kaypro 2
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
38. Re: Kaypro 2
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
39. Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
40. The giving season
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
41. Re: Jobs in Toronto?
    by Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
42. Cable Rot?
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
43. Re: Kaypro 2
    by "Andrew Vance" <remy [at] io.com>
44. Re: Cable Rot?
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
45. Re: Cable Rot?
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
46. Re: Jobs in Toronto?
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
47. Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
48. Re: Cable Rot?
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
49. Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
50. Re: Jobs in Toronto?
    by FREDERICK W FISHER <fwfisher [at] facstaff.wisc.edu>
51. Re: Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
    by "Delbert Hall" <flyingfx [at] hotmail.com>
52. Re: Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
53. Re: Angle iron
    by roguerpj [at] mn.rr.com

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Message-ID: <005101c4f966$8bc06a00$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-13490381 [at] prxy.net> <list-13617661 [at] prxy.net> <list-13632523 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: More Strand 300 help please....!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:53:47 -0000

OK
So I have yet ANOTHER odd occurrence on my 300.....
This one MIGHT be a result of a setting needing re-setting after the deep
220 clean I gave it (that ended up being unnecessary) the other day.

I'm finding some cue are holding SOME channels high that should have gone to
zero, which is rather embarrassing when the cue is a DBO!

For example, Beanstalk grows, in semi darkness, and as it does, I light it
with 4 different lanterns, one at a time, the last one being red. Next cue
is a full stage cover, the next is a snap DBO. However, although if I check
the DBO cue on preview there's nothing shown, if I run the cues in sequence,
I'm left with that rather obvious red profile in centre stage.....!
And if I run the cue from scratch, it's a clean blackout.....

Damned odd........................

8-(((

Thoughts?
I wrestled for ages with it post-show last night and whilst I think I've
cured the instances where it occurs (quite a few) I'm not over-confident of
it not recurring...!

Tony



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From: "Andrew Nikel" <anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>
Subject: Re: New Contact Info and Gypsy Costumes
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:39:47 -0500
Message-ID: <JNEMKLCHNOMOHOGEILMLCEBKCAAA.anikel [at] citytheatrical.com>

Hmmmm .... good thought, Jon. We could even use the WDS and dim it from the
console.  ;-)

Thanks, all.

Andrew

Andrew Nikel - Sales
City Theatrical, Inc.
752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10405
Voice:  718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482
email:  anikel [at] citytheatrical.com
web:    www.citytheatrical.com


> production of Gypsy at our older boys high school. Does anyone have any
> good
> sources for the stripper and cow costumes,

Maybe City Theatrical could add the Electra costume to its product lines?
<G>




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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:40:39 -0500
From: Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
Subject: Dance Floor experiences?
Message-id: <B620CDDE-6568-11D9-82EE-000D936C1414 [at] williams.edu>

Anyone one using Rosco Subfloor for their portable dance floor?  
Problems, praises?  Off list replies OK too, if you'd prefer to keep 
your remarks private.

I like the portability of the smaller pieces, and the dance folks 
weren't too unhappy with it when they tried it out.  Of course I'll 
have to remind them of that next year...

Cosmo


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Subject: RE: More Strand 300 help please....!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:45:41 -0500
Message-ID: <DB9E114BBEDEDD448CFB620864279EA4066A67 [at] win2kserverky.vlsoffice.com>
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>

> I'm finding some cue are holding SOME channels high that=20
> should have gone to
> zero, which is rather embarrassing when the cue is a DBO!

snip

> the DBO cue on preview there's nothing shown, if I run the=20
> cues in sequence,
> I'm left with that rather obvious red profile in centre stage.....!
> And if I run the cue from scratch, it's a clean blackout.....

There are a couple of reasons I've seen this sort of thing happen.  It =
may depend on if you usually run the console as Light Palette (North =
American-speak) or Genius (UK/Euro-speak).  After a 220-clean this =
setting may indeed not be where you last set it.

I'm most familiar with the Light Palette side of the sw.  Look at the =
settings for Q-Only or Tracking.  Also check to see if you are using =
Move Fades (MF).  Move Fades in Genius can have the same effect you =
mention- OK when starting at Cue 0 but screwy when starting in the =
middle of a sequence.  Sometimes it helps to make a blackout cue a Block =
Fade to prevent that inadvertent channel from tracking.

----------------------------------------------------------------
From the manual........
Fade (Cue) Types
When you are initially setting up cues, you simply change the levels as =
necessary for each
lighting state and then record the cue. When you start running cues, or =
go back to make changes
or add new cues, you need to know how the console treats unchanging =
levels.
Unless explicitly overridden, GeniusPro records all cues as Cross Fades =
(Cue Tracking field in
Show Setup Screen Off - Default). With Cue Tracking On, GeniusPro =
records all new cues as Move Fades (shown as blank in Cue Type field). =
To record a cue which only changes the channel
levels that change in the cue, you must record a Move Fade cue.
Unless explicitly overridden, Lightpalette records all cues as Tracking =
Cues (shown as blank in
Cue Type field).
Note: Cue Tracking cannot be set to Off when using Lightpalette)
----------------------------------------------------------------

There's more in the manual (and online Help) about all of the fade =
types.  I'm guessing that is where your problem may be.

Good luck Tony

Paul
***********************************************************
Paul Sanow 			psanow [at] vls.com
Technical Sales			www.vincentlighting.com
Vincent Lighting Systems


1420 Jamike Ln. #2
Erlanger, KY 41018

(859) 525-2000	x211		FAX (859) 525-2050
***********************************************************

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BE0BE88D.2F72%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13618186 [at] prxy.net>

on 1/12/05 10:56 AM, Daniel Daugherty at Daniel_Daugherty [at] umit.maine.edu
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am hoping those of you with more expertise in rigging could settle a
> difference of opinion I have with our Facilities Manager. Our stock of flats
> are primarily Hollywood style 1x4 framed hard covered flats. During our last
> show I had rigged a
> couple of the flats by drilling through the top rail and internal toggles and
> running GAC to a D ring bolted onto the bottom rail. The Facilities Manager
> has told me that I must run the cable down the sides of the flat to some form
> of bottom hanger
> that attaches underneath the bottom rail. That this "bottom attachment method
> is the only acceptable way of rigging anything". Is my method acceptable? is
> he correct that bolting to the bottom rail is not enough and that you must
> pick up beneath the
> bottom rail? Thanks in advance.
> 
> Dan Daugherty
> Technical Director
> School of Performing Arts
> University of Maine
> Orono, ME 04469
> 207-581-1767
> daniel_daugherty [at] umit.maine.edu
> 


Geez  Louise.  I go away for one whole day and all hell breaks loose.  The
following is based on my skimming through the myriad of notes on this topic.
I have NOT read them all in depth.  Hell, it's only 8:45 am fer cryin out
loud.

Quick links, rapid links, speed link) are fine if they are load rated and if
they are used in the proper orientation.  Yes, my rapid links are all load
rated.  

Bolting the D-ring plate to the bottom is correct.  PLEASE NOTE.  There are
plenty of crappy d-ring/plates floating around (pun intended).  Bolting the
plate is all well and good but if the d-ring is simply a piece of heavy wire
bent into a d-shape, then thay will be the failure point.  The ring must be
welded or forged for it to be used in overhead lifting.

The d:D ratio changes for the type of wire rope being used. GAC, according
to the MacWhyte book is 26:1   This is only one of many factors in
determining if a hoist is rated and capable of raising and holding a load
over people's heads.  Rule of thumb is that a winch bought in a big box
store is not rated for overhead lifting and is not rated for overhead load
holding.

OK.  What did I miss?

Bill

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Message-ID: <06b501c4f977$85f46f70$0800000a [at] Tony>
From: "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-13794357 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: More Strand 300 help please....!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:55:18 -0000

Cheers
We run Genius.
I'll print this off and take a look tonight.

Cheers
TD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: More Strand 300 help please....!


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> I'm finding some cue are holding SOME channels high that
> should have gone to
> zero, which is rather embarrassing when the cue is a DBO!

snip

> the DBO cue on preview there's nothing shown, if I run the
> cues in sequence,
> I'm left with that rather obvious red profile in centre stage.....!
> And if I run the cue from scratch, it's a clean blackout.....

There are a couple of reasons I've seen this sort of thing happen.  It may
depend on if you usually run the console as Light Palette (North
American-speak) or Genius (UK/Euro-speak).  After a 220-clean this setting
may indeed not be where you last set it.

I'm most familiar with the Light Palette side of the sw.  Look at the
settings for Q-Only or Tracking.  Also check to see if you are using Move
Fades (MF).  Move Fades in Genius can have the same effect you mention- OK
when starting at Cue 0 but screwy when starting in the middle of a sequence.
Sometimes it helps to make a blackout cue a Block Fade to prevent that
inadvertent channel from tracking.

----------------------------------------------------------------
From the manual........
Fade (Cue) Types
When you are initially setting up cues, you simply change the levels as
necessary for each
lighting state and then record the cue. When you start running cues, or go
back to make changes
or add new cues, you need to know how the console treats unchanging levels.
Unless explicitly overridden, GeniusPro records all cues as Cross Fades (Cue
Tracking field in
Show Setup Screen Off - Default). With Cue Tracking On, GeniusPro records
all new cues as Move Fades (shown as blank in Cue Type field). To record a
cue which only changes the channel
levels that change in the cue, you must record a Move Fade cue.
Unless explicitly overridden, Lightpalette records all cues as Tracking Cues
(shown as blank in
Cue Type field).
Note: Cue Tracking cannot be set to Off when using Lightpalette)
----------------------------------------------------------------

There's more in the manual (and online Help) about all of the fade types.
I'm guessing that is where your problem may be.

Good luck Tony

Paul
***********************************************************
Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com
Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com
Vincent Lighting Systems


1420 Jamike Ln. #2
Erlanger, KY 41018

(859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050
***********************************************************



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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:00:57 -0500
Subject: Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BE0BE949.4D6E%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13767464 [at] prxy.net>

> Fortunately, in my main venue, the dedicated HVAC for the dimmer room is all
> beneath the floor.  One 3'x3' metal grate in one corner for supply and one
> in the other corner for return.  Only problem is we loose small objects down
> the grates.  Since the room also is used for sound storage, there's a
> fortune in connectors, maybe even a few microphones down there.

    Alf, can you cover the grates with furnace filters? I'd think they would
let the air through but keep items from falling in.

    Just a thought.

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:12:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BE0BEBE5.2F7A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13646232 [at] prxy.net>

Right.  Aluminum sleeves.   (proper name is Oval Swage Fittings.  Nicopress
is a brand name)

Yes, it's true that aluminum sleeves do not withstand a shock load as well
as copper does.  however, in all cases where the shock load exceeds the
rated capacity of the wire rope by 10% or more, then the sleeve, regardless
of type of metal, must be replaced.

Now, I know you don't have a dynamometer or load cell standing by every time
you get a shock load, so my rule of thumb is...if you shock load it, replace
it.

Doesn't matter if it's copper or aluminum or zinc coated copper.  It ain't
worth the worry, ya know?

And yes, copper is the industry standard at this point...subject to change
with minimal notice.

Bill S.
(still trying to catch up)
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Message-Id: <s1e63ebf.086 [at] ac3.nesd.k12.pa.us>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:26:06 -0500
From: "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats

(snip)You may or may not know that one common use for rated quicklinks
is in 
skydiving, so skydiving equipment vendors are a good place to find
rated 
quicklinks. >>industrial suppliers (like McMaster-Carr) (snip)
-Delbert

Delbert L. Hall
423-773-HALL (4255)


Pardon my ignorance. Is there another name for quick links? Spring,
bolt, trigger snaps? Ya talkin about a beener type thing? I've looked at
the pages in my McMaster-Carr catalog for quick links and only found
many versions of the spring snap. 
Les




Les Lind, TD
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



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Message-id: <fc.005b8f010385b53c005b8f010385b53c.385b681 [at] FirstClass.choate.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:30:09 -0500
Subject: Free dimmers!
From: "Bill Potter" <bpotter [at] choate.edu>

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Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20050113062425.02fe79c8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:31:53 -0800
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
In-Reply-To: <list-13767464 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-13767464 [at] prxy.net>

I believe the processor in the Kaypro 2 and 2X was the Z80. And, as I 
recall, that was the processor in the first of the Strand lighting boards.

I think I was sort of proud of having that theatrical connection in my 50 
pound portable (it had a handle) Kaypro 2x. Plus I had 64K of hardwired 
internal memory and two 1.4 KB, 5.25 inch floppy drives. Wrote my second 
thesis on the thing and felt very blessed, having written the first in long 
hand and then transcribed it to parchment on a Royal manual typewriter. 
We've come a long way in 20 years. Why I remember . . .


Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production
School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html



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Message-ID: <41E68A97.7090802 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:49:59 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Angle iron
References: <list-13672949 [at] prxy.net> <list-13677214 [at] prxy.net> <list-13684025 [at] prxy.net>

Scott,
It is kind of dated, but my 1975 Bethlehem Steel Structural Shapes 
catalogue lists unequal leg angle. Unfortunately, it does not reference 
1.5" x 3.25"  I find 3.5x2.5 and 3x2 and so on.  There is a 2.5 x 1.5 
listed.  Best I have at hand.
Steve.

Scott C. Parker wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Greetings All,
> 
> I'm working on a set of specifications for a steel project. [snip]


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: Free plotter
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:52:40 -0500
Message-ID: <001201c4f97f$8ab55940$6401a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-13801041 [at] prxy.net>

While we're giving away free goodies....

I have a 24-inch Calcomp pen plotter.  It's not currently functioning,
but may well be an easy fix (the last time it didn't work -- 5 years ago
-- it was a very simple problem).

Free to anyone who wants to pick it up in Secaucus, NJ (right outside
NYC).



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Message-Id: <E6F3FE74-6572-11D9-9CF2-000A95D99210 [at] hillmardesign.com>
From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
Subject: USITT-Chesapeake MiniEXPO 05
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:53:35 -0500

Great Day of Workshops and the Annual Meeting!
January 22, 2005
Wilson Hall
Rowan University, Glassboro, NJ

Visit www.usittchesapeake.org for updated information or to renew your=20=

membership
___________________
The schedule of Mini EXPO 05 is as follows:

8:00-9:00=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REGISTRATION

9:00-10:20=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Construction of Dragon Costume=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Cheryl Yancey
  Lighting  	  Bob Thorp
  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
10:30-11:50=A0=A0=A0=A0 Making Period Costumes from=A0Conventional =
Clothes=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0Gay Lynn Price=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
  Lighting=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0(continuation)
Process of Set Design from Script to Model to Stage    Eric Sipel
  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
11:50-12:50=A0=A0=A0=A0 LUNCH

1:00-2:00=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ANNUAL MEETING (Bylaws Update and other =
business)

2:10-3:30=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Makeup Techniques =A0=A0Yoko =
Hashimoto-Sinclair=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
Lighting- Audience Try out=A0=A0=A0=A0Bob Thorp=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
"What Corners to Cut  When Your Money Is  All Gone"   Tom Fusco

3:30-4:30=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECEPTION

RSVP fusco [at] rowan.edu ( I want to make sure I have enough lunches)


Here are the directions to campus:
http://www.rowan.edu/subpages/visiting_rowan/directions/


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Message-Id: <0E7E367A-6573-11D9-9CF2-000A95D99210 [at] hillmardesign.com>
From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
Subject: USITT-Chesapeake MiniEXPO 05
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:54:42 -0500

Great Day of Workshops and the Annual Meeting!
January 22, 2005
Wilson Hall
Rowan University, Glassboro, NJ

Visit www.usittchesapeake.org for updated information or to renew your=20=

membership
___________________
The schedule of Mini EXPO 05 is as follows:

8:00-9:00=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REGISTRATION

9:00-10:20=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Construction of Dragon Costume=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Cheryl Yancey
  Lighting  	  Bob Thorp
  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
10:30-11:50=A0=A0=A0=A0 Making Period Costumes from=A0Conventional =
Clothes=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0Gay Lynn Price=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
  Lighting=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0(continuation)
Process of Set Design from Script to Model to Stage    Eric Sipel
  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
11:50-12:50=A0=A0=A0=A0 LUNCH

1:00-2:00=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ANNUAL MEETING (Bylaws Update and other =
business)

2:10-3:30=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Makeup Techniques =A0=A0Yoko =
Hashimoto-Sinclair=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
Lighting- Audience Try out=A0=A0=A0=A0Bob Thorp=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
"What Corners to Cut  When Your Money Is  All Gone"   Tom Fusco

3:30-4:30=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECEPTION

RSVP fusco [at] rowan.edu ( I want to make sure I have enough lunches)


Here are the directions to campus:
http://www.rowan.edu/subpages/visiting_rowan/directions/


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Message-ID: <1105628562.41e68d9277833 [at] webmail.bard.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:02:42 -0500
From: doran [at] bard.edu
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
References: <list-13800811 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-13800811 [at] prxy.net>

Les,

In the _Complete Illustrated Guide to Everthing Found in Hardware Stores_,
the Quick link is defined as "link with a gap on one side that has a nut on 
one end and threads on the other."  There's a picture of one on page 129 
of Glerum's second edition of _Stage Rigging Handbook_, and a drawing of 
one on page 79 of the third edition of Carter's _Backstage Handbook_ in 
which it's also called a Locking Link.  I've also heard them called Rapid 
Links.

McMaster Carr calls them Threaded Connectors, says they're not for lifting, 
and gives a Work Load Limit for each one.  Go to www.mcmaster.com, and 
search under that or quick link.

Hope this helps,
Andy Champ-Doran
Technical Director
Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater
Annandal-on-Hudson, NY


Quoting LES LIND <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>:

> Pardon my ignorance. Is there another name for quick links? Spring,
> bolt, trigger snaps? Ya talkin about a beener type thing? I've looked at
> the pages in my McMaster-Carr catalog for quick links and only found
> many versions of the spring snap. 
> Les
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Les Lind, TD
> NHS Dramatics
> Northeastern High School
> Manchester, PA
> 
> 



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Message-id: <fc.005b8f010385bb87005b8f010385bb87.385bbb1 [at] FirstClass.choate.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:09:12 -0500
Subject: Dimmers are gone
From: "Bill Potter" <bpotter [at] choate.edu>

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The free dimmers and stuff are spoken for.<br>
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That took all of 34 minutes.<br>
<br>
Bill Potter, Technical Director<br>
Paul Mellon Arts Center, Choate Rosemary Hall<br>
Wallingford CT<br>
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Message-Id: <s1e6487f.073 [at] ac3.nesd.k12.pa.us>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:07:43 -0500
From: "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats

Ok I know what this is.
Thanks


Les Lind, TD
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



>>> doran [at] bard.edu 1/13/05 10:02:42 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Les,

In the _Complete Illustrated Guide to Everthing Found in Hardware
Stores_,
the Quick link is defined as "link with a gap on one side that has a
nut on 
one end and threads on the other."  There's a picture of one on page
129 
of Glerum's second edition of _Stage Rigging Handbook_, and a drawing
of 
one on page 79 of the third edition of Carter's _Backstage Handbook_ in

which it's also called a Locking Link.  I've also heard them called
Rapid 
Links.

McMaster Carr calls them Threaded Connectors, says they're not for
lifting, 
and gives a Work Load Limit for each one.  Go to www.mcmaster.com, and

search under that or quick link.

Hope this helps,
Andy Champ-Doran
Technical Director
Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater
Annandal-on-Hudson, NY


Quoting LES LIND <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>:

> Pardon my ignorance. Is there another name for quick links? Spring,
> bolt, trigger snaps? Ya talkin about a beener type thing? I've looked
at
> the pages in my McMaster-Carr catalog for quick links and only found
> many versions of the spring snap. 
> Les
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Les Lind, TD
> NHS Dramatics
> Northeastern High School
> Manchester, PA
> 
> 



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Message-ID: <20050113172256.6373.qmail [at] web42404.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:22:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew Kopans <mjkopa [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Jobs in Toronto?
In-Reply-To: <list-13767464 [at] prxy.net>

Does anyone know where one should look for jobs in Toronto?  ArtSEARCH
doesn't really list any.

Matt


		
__________________________________ 
Do you Yahoo!? 
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:36:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Jobs in Toronto?
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BE0C1BBD.2F9A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13825987 [at] prxy.net>

on 1/13/05 12:22 PM, Matthew Kopans at mjkopa [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Does anyone know where one should look for jobs in Toronto?  ArtSEARCH
> doesn't really list any.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!? 
> Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail


you could check with the Canadian Institute of Technical Theatre (CITT) but
if you are a US citizen it will not be easy.  They're pretty protective up
there (Rightly so, IMHO)

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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From: "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
Subject: RE: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:38:22 -0800
Organization: Saddleback College
Message-ID: <000101c4f996$ad9a55c0$6500a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT>
In-Reply-To: <list-13681307 [at] prxy.net>

I feel for you Moe.

We routinely get flooding in our trap room when it rains.  Big pain in
the butt!

Jack R. Morones
Production Manager
McKinney Theatre



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:23 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hello Listers,

Have just finnished pulling all of my dimmers (25) from my rack which
has just 
had multiple gallons of water poured through them when the HVAC system
just, 
well, took a major whizzzz.  It soaked my sound rack too!

I currently have a couple of students blowing water outof them  with the

compressor.  Beyond that  and calling insurance folk, anyone have any
words of 
wisdom?  The system was on and running when this happend.  Several fault

lights were lit. SIGH!!    I won't put anything back until Monday more
than 
likely. 

Oh and just outta luck today was our first day back from Christmas
Break.  
Whata way to start the semester!!!

Moe

Maurice "Moe" Conn  
Designer/Technical Director
Kohn Theatre
Cumberland College
606-539-4520
mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu

Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to
Raise 
money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids. 
Check Out:  www.sapsis-rigging.com/LBLR.html


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Message-ID: <BAY11-F223CB191E773876114DFB4D08A0 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Keith Fleschner" <keithfleschner [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: wet dimmers
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:49:21 -0800

NEMA the National electrical equipment manufactures association at 
www.NEMA.org has a free standard "Guidelines for handling water damaged 
electrical equipment" avalible as  a PDF file. You do have to do a simple 
registration. It may be of help in dealing with Administration or Insurance 
folks.

Keith
keithfleschner [at] msn.com



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Message-ID: <039e01c4f999$4bd46620$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE>
Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-13796486 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Grates in the floor was Thar be water......
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:33:25 -0500

Bruce, sorry if I misled you into thinking the floor grates are a problem. 
On a scale of things wrong with my facilities this is more of an amusement. 
Those of who utilize the room regularly know to keep a tight grip on small 
objects.

I like the dimmer room cooling system as is.   I declared the 18sqft of 
floor space "off limits" to storage, which helps keep down on clutter in the 
room.  When I'm especially hot during the summer, I stand on top of the 
supply grate for that wonderful, refreshing, "Marilyn Monroe-esc" blast of 
cold air up my kilt (day dreaming adds to the experience).  And more to the 
point at hand, there is no condensate dripping in the room!

No, I'd rather go down to the basement, open the inspection hatch and rake 
in my haul of connectors, coins and assorted "things" now and then than put 
filters on these grates.  Besides, if I put filters over the grates, I'd 
have to change them periodically!  Bummer.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Purdy" <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> Fortunately, in my main venue, the dedicated HVAC for the dimmer room is 
>> all
>> beneath the floor.  One 3'x3' metal grate in one corner for supply and 
>> one
>> in the other corner for return.  Only problem is we loose small objects 
>> down
>> the grates.  Since the room also is used for sound storage, there's a
>> fortune in connectors, maybe even a few microphones down there.
>
>    Alf, can you cover the grates with furnace filters? I'd think they 
> would
> let the air through but keep items from falling in.
>
>    Just a thought.
>
> Bruce
> -- 
> Bruce Purdy
> Technical Director
> Smith Opera House
>
> 


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Message-ID: <42777.208.215.238.2.1105639196.squirrel [at] 208.215.238.2>
In-Reply-To: <list-13767464 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-13767464 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:59:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!
From: ". Mitch  Hefter" <mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com>
Reply-To: mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com

Dale Farmer wrote:

> Quick, quick quick, while they are still wet, rinse well with distilled
> or deionized water. ( Available at walmart by the gallon. )  The AC
> system water probably had all kinds of possibly corrosive and or
> conductive contaminants in it.
>
> What spilled on it? Condensate water ( relatively pure, except for
> dust/grime/mold ) or chilled water loop water? ( Relatively clean,
> but usually has various treatment chemicals and dyes in it. )
>
> Then blow dry with *low* pressure air.  ( High pressure air jets
> on components can screw up mechanical connections and break
> fine jumper wires.  )
>

Be careful with compressed air - this can build up a static charge and
destroy electronics. Low or lower is better.

. . .
-------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter   mitch.hefter  [at]  DesignRelief.com

Office:  Entertainment Technology /
            a Division of the Genlyte Group
mhefter  [at]  genlyte.com
+1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967  (Direct 214/ 647-7967)
+1-214/ 647-4738 Fax
http://www.etdimming.com

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Message-ID: <1105639440.41e6b810aab0a [at] mail.cumberlandcollege.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:04:00 -0500
From: mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
Subject: Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!

First, Please note correction in spelling.

Thanks folks for your posts.

Good news I think,  The system which dumped water was a Filtered continuous 
fed system.  So, IN "THEORY" it was clean water.   The dimmers have dried, I 
cranked the Heat in the Shop to help that process.  However I will not 
reassemble it until Monday, So the rack can dry.

The real questions is what damage was done to my sound rack.  So as they say 
in Texas....Oil Well

Moe

Maurice "Moe" Conn  
Designer/Technical Director
Kohn Theatre
Cumberland College
606-539-4520
mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu

Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to Raise 
money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids. 
Check Out:  www.sapsis-rigging.com/LBLR.html


------------------------------

From: "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
Subject: RE: Rigging "hollywood" flats
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:36:07 -0800
Organization: Saddleback College
Message-ID: <000001c4f996$5d627240$6500a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT>
In-Reply-To: <list-13677214 [at] prxy.net>

Regarding not using quicklinks...I am, of course, referring to the
hardware store 'unrated' ones.  As a matter of course, I simply do not
use them.  It's too easy for my shop to pick up the wrong kind and think
that are okay to use.

In my current rigging renovation here at Saddleback, we have finally
replaced all the really scary items such as Malleable wire rope clips on
all the line set terminations and 3/8" bent rod steel was used to secure
the loft blocks to the grid.  I am much happier now.

Jack R. Morones
Production Manager
McKinney Theatre



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert
Hall
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:53 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

You may or may not know that one common use for rated quicklinks is in 
skydiving, so skydiving equipment vendors are a good place to find rated

quicklinks.  Some high end sailing equipment vendors also sell stainless

steel quicklinks that are load rated.  There are certainly other vendors
who 
sell rated quicklinks, but the ones sold in most hardware stores and 
industrial suppliers (like McMaster-Carr) are not rated for overhead 
lifting.  Dispite this fact, quicklinks get used for many rigging 
applications.

Even equipment manufactures don't always follow the guidelines set by
other 
manufacturers whose components they use.  For example: wire rope 
manufactures recommend that the D:d ratio of a sheave be a minimum of
25:1 
for 7x19 GAC.  They also state that a D:d ratio of less than 16:1 will
in a 
cable life that is relatively low.  This not only reduces the life of
the 
cable, but also decreases its strenght efficiency to 86% of that stated
by 
the manufacturer.   I saw a new cable hoist in a store on Monday where
the 
D:d ratio on sheave was approximately 10.   Of course the manufacturers
of 
the hoist did state that the hoist was not to used for overhead lifting 
(etc) - so they did cover their asses.

-Delbert

Delbert L. Hall
423-773-HALL (4255)



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050113112939.00b82d60 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:29:39
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Silica

>> you have a Lexus, and you buy another one, your a preppy 
>
>
>Uh..."you're".

I was just about to send that correction in myself.  See?  We learn
somehing new everyday!  In my case, its not to post right after the
load-in...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				OTR

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Subject: RE: Kaypro 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:56 -0500
Message-ID: <DEF9C5FC613BEC46BB08F973317F22A7E947BA [at] email.ncarts.edu>
From: "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>

Wow.

Loren, I actually used a Kaypro 2 for business purposes, running payroll =
and budgets for two theatre companies back in the day...

Among the other elegant and sophisticated qualities of that machine was =
the CPM operating system. =20

Those were the days....

DGB

Dennis Gill Booth
Technical Faculty & Assistant Dean for Operations
=A0 North Carolina School of the Arts=20
=A0 School of Design and Production=20
=A0 1553 South Main Street=20
=A0 PO Box 12189=20
=A0 Winston-Salem, NC=A0=A0 27117-2189=20
* Voice:=A0 (336)770-3232 x105=20
* FAX:=A0=A0 (336)770-3213=20
* Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu=20
* D&P URL: http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/=20
* Faculty=A0URL: http://faculty.ncarts.edu/dandp/booth/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Loren
> Schreiber
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:32 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
>=20
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see =
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> I believe the processor in the Kaypro 2 and 2X was the Z80. And, as I
> recall, that was the processor in the first of the Strand lighting =
boards.
>=20
>=20
> Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production
> School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University
> http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html
>=20
>=20
>=20
> ----------------------------------------------
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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:51:56 -0700

Why is it, that I am not surprised at the names of any admitted Kaypro=20=

users?

(myself included)

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


On Jan 13, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Booth, Dennis wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Wow.
>
> Loren, I actually used a Kaypro 2 for business purposes, running=20
> payroll and budgets for two theatre companies back in the day...
>
> Among the other elegant and sophisticated qualities of that machine=20
> was the CPM operating system.
>
> Those were the days....
>
> DGB
>
> Dennis Gill Booth
> Technical Faculty & Assistant Dean for Operations
> =A0 North Carolina School of the Arts
> =A0 School of Design and Production
> =A0 1553 South Main Street
> =A0 PO Box 12189
> =A0 Winston-Salem, NC=A0=A0 27117-2189
>>
>>
>> Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production
>> School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University
>> http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <92.1e190263.2f182046 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:04:38 EST
Subject: Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! There be water in me Dimmer Rack!!!

In a message dated 13/01/05 01:29:08 GMT Standard Time, 
mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu writes:

> I currently have a couple of students blowing water outof them  with the 
>  compressor.  Beyond that  and calling insurance folk, anyone have any 
words 
> of 
>  wisdom?  The system was on and running when this happend.  Several fault 
>  lights were lit. SIGH!!    I won't put anything back until Monday more 
than 
>  likely. 

When you have blown the loose water out, thoroughly, take a hair dryer to 
them, and then store them in a warm, dry place. They should recover, if it was 
just plain water. Seeing that it was from an HVAC plant, there may have been a 
corrosion inhibitor in it. If this has left a residue after they are dry, I'm 
afraid that the only real answer is to wash them again in fresh water, and dry 
them again.

It's surprising how well electrical and electronic gear handles this problem. 
A third of our antique saturable reactor system spent some time at the bottom 
of Lisbon harbour, thanks to the Portuguese dockhands. Strand wrote it off as 
an insurance loss, but gave it away to deserving causes. We used it for 
several years with no problems, and then passed it on to another company, who had 
several more years of use out of it.


Frank Wood

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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-13836938 [at] prxy.net> <list-13838347 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:16:19 -0800

> Why is it, that I am not surprised at the names of any admitted Kaypro 
> users?
>


We had the venerable Osborne I - slightly before the Kaypros.  5" screen, 
dual 5.25 floppies, and (seemingly) 100 pounds of portability.  Used the 
wonderful CP/M language, MBasic (Billy Gates' garage-farmed language)and 
WordStar.

One of my favorite ads "back in the day" in the fledgling computer mag 
industry was of a group of businessmen standing at a bus stop, ogling a 
businesswoman confidently carrying an Osborne.  No word if her shoulder 
dislocated during the photo shoot.

If anyone has horded BYTE magazine, or others from the early 80s and sees 
that ad, I would love to have a scan of it!

Still have a VIC-20 (with cassette tape drive!) in the closet if anyone 
would like to have it.  I wrote many games on that system.

Powell's Technical Books in Portland OR, USA has a mini-museum of all these 
early PCs - Kaypro, Osborne, TRaSh-80, PET/Commodore, Heathkit, etc.  Great 
walk down memory lane.

      -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
www.wlhstheatre.org 


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <d2.2032a062.2f1823c1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:19:29 EST
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats

In a message dated 13/01/05 14:10:26 GMT Standard Time, 
bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes:

> Now, I know you don't have a dynamometer or load cell standing by every time
>  you get a shock load, so my rule of thumb is...if you shock load it, 
replace
>  it.

Bill needs no seconding from me. But it was a firm rule in cliff-climbing 
that when someone fell on a rope, you didn't use it again. Perhaps not if it was 
the secondman, who would fall only a foot or two. But if the leader came off, 
he falls twice the height of the pitch.


Frank Wood

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:14:21 -0600
From: Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Jobs in Toronto?
In-reply-to: <list-13827711 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050113131321.01924218 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu>
References: <list-13825987 [at] prxy.net>


>if you are a US citizen it will not be easy.  They're pretty protective up
>there (Rightly so, IMHO)
>
>Bill S.

Bill, why do you say that?
Fred Fisher 


------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <da.1cf93f87.2f182574 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:26:44 EST
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats

In a message dated 13/01/05 14:27:28 GMT Standard Time, lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us 
writes:

> Pardon my ignorance. Is there another name for quick links? Spring,
>  bolt, trigger snaps? Ya talkin about a beener type thing? I've looked at
>  the pages in my McMaster-Carr catalog for quick links and only found
>  many versions of the spring snap. 
>  Les

Like Les, I'm guessing. But Karabiner links seem likely. While they are just 
sprung snap-hooks, they are made with care, and from good materials. Climbers 
trust their lives to them every day. When I was active in the sport, Stubai 
was the best thought-of make. I still have a few, unfortunately relegated to 
duty on a tow-rope.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Kaypro 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:02 -0600
Message-ID: <9CBE51C748FC4E469D447D1825C64A3C0A0123 [at] COKE.uwec.edu>
From: "Gulig, Arthur F." <AGULIG [at] uwec.edu>

I still have an Osborne I in a closet along with all of the original
software and a pile of shareware.  I remember paying $5 for a single
sided 360K 5.25" floppy.  I never saw the ad you mention but do remember
a picture of a journalist in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan war
with his "portable" (26lbs without the battery) Osborne.

Art

Arthur F. Gulig, Technical Director
Music and Theatre Arts Department - HFA178
University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
715-836-2764       agulig [at] uwec.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon
Ares
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:16 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2


> Why is it, that I am not surprised at the names of any admitted Kaypro

> users?
>


We had the venerable Osborne I - slightly before the Kaypros.  5"
screen, dual 5.25 floppies, and (seemingly) 100 pounds of portability.
Used the wonderful CP/M language, MBasic (Billy Gates' garage-farmed
language)and WordStar.

One of my favorite ads "back in the day" in the fledgling computer mag
industry was of a group of businessmen standing at a bus stop, ogling a
businesswoman confidently carrying an Osborne.  No word if her shoulder
dislocated during the photo shoot.

-- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative
www.wlhstheatre.org=20


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:32:33 -0500
From: Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
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I've still got mine, moldering in a shed.  I remember my friend Dale 
telling me to get a modem for it in 1983, explaining that computers 
could comminucate through it. "Why would I want my computer 
communicating with another?" I wondered back then... to me it was just a 
cross between a typwriter and an adding machine.

--------------H

Jon Ares wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> Why is it, that I am not surprised at the names of any admitted Kaypro 
>> users?
>>
> 
> 
> We had the venerable Osborne I - slightly before the Kaypros.  5" 
> screen, dual 5.25 floppies, and (seemingly) 100 pounds of portability.  
> Used the wonderful CP/M language, MBasic (Billy Gates' garage-farmed 
> language)and WordStar.
> 
> One of my favorite ads "back in the day" in the fledgling computer mag 
> industry was of a group of businessmen standing at a bus stop, ogling a 
> businesswoman confidently carrying an Osborne.  No word if her shoulder 
> dislocated during the photo shoot.
> 
> If anyone has horded BYTE magazine, or others from the early 80s and 
> sees that ad, I would love to have a scan of it!
> 
> Still have a VIC-20 (with cassette tape drive!) in the closet if anyone 
> would like to have it.  I wrote many games on that system.
> 
> Powell's Technical Books in Portland OR, USA has a mini-museum of all 
> these early PCs - Kaypro, Osborne, TRaSh-80, PET/Commodore, Heathkit, 
> etc.  Great walk down memory lane.
> 
>      -- Jon Ares
> Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
> www.hevanet.com/acreative
> www.wlhstheatre.org
> 


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <a1.5621dd0e.2f1827d1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:36:49 EST
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2

In a message dated 13/01/05 14:33:37 GMT Standard Time, 
lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu writes:

> I believe the processor in the Kaypro 2 and 2X was the Z80. And, as I 
>  recall, that was the processor in the first of the Strand lighting boards.

It may have been, and a good processor for its time, too. Far better than the 
8080, from which it grew. But lighting boards usually went for the 6800 and 
its friends. Its addressing capabilities were better arranged for this.

This is at the bottom of the PC/Mac division. PCs went down the 8080 road, 
and Macs down the 6800 one. For some jobs, one is better than the other. For 
most of us, unless you're going in at machine code level, it's irrelevant.
 

Frank Wood

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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:40:17 -0700



On Jan 13, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Howard Ires wrote:

> "Why would I want my computer communicating with another?" I wondered 
> back then... to me it was just a cross between a typwriter and an 
> adding machine.
>

As I remember, my Kaypro WAS a cross between a typewriter & adding 
machine...

Actually, I had a 300 Baud Hayes modem, and my roommate was an 
astronomer, and we could talk to computers all over the world.

Using Gopher, (the internet BEFORE Al Gore invented the Internet)



Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <a0.1fca79ac.2f182913 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:42:11 EST
Subject: Re: AARRrrrrGGGHHhhh!!! Thar be water in me Dimmer Rax!!!

In a message dated 13/01/05 18:10:35 GMT Standard Time, 
mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu writes:

> The real questions is what damage was done to my sound rack.  So as they 
say 
>  in Texas....Oil Well

It should survive, with the same treatment.

Frank Wood

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:54:10 -0500
Subject: The giving season
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BE0C3C12.19AA%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13804675 [at] prxy.net>

Well since it seems to be becoming a clearing house in here.

Anyone got a Digital To Analog Converter handy to help me run the Dimmers I
just got from Bill?

Cinch Jones to DMX of course.

I'd be willing to actually pay for that.

E-mail me privately if you have one.

-H

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:00:05 -0600
From: Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Jobs in Toronto?
In-reply-to: <list-13842308 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050113135824.019c24d0 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu>
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At 01:14 PM 1/13/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>if you are a US citizen it will not be easy.  They're pretty protective up
>>there (Rightly so, IMHO)
>>
>>Bill S.
>
>Bill, why do you say that?
>Fred Fisher

To be more clear, I'm referring to the last part of the sentence in 
parentheses.
Fred 


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From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Cable Rot?
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:39:17 -0500

While digging through my dimmer closet, I came across a couple of old cables 
-- probably tossed aside as defective several years ago -- and thought I 
might repair them. Most of them were pretty standard fixes (a screw loose in 
a connector here and there).

One cable, though, was in terrible condition altogether. I cut back the 
neoprene sleeve, and the insulation on the three internal wires was 
practically crumbling -- as if it were rotting away. I sliced down about a 
foot, then took a look at the connector at the opposite end, and came to the 
conclusion that it was rotten through and through.

What might have caused this to happen?  Though the insulation on all three 
wires had some cracking, it was mostly prevalent on the ground. The male and 
female connectors were in good shape, and the neoprene sleeve was in perfect 
condition, but it didn't have any markings as to its rating.

Thoughts?  Mostly it's curiosity, but if something wrong happened (ground 
fault?) I'd like to make certain it doesn't happen again.

Thanks in advance,


-- Matt

========

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Message-ID: <009301c4f9b5$eab4a2c0$0500000a [at] anneb>
From: "Andrew Vance" <remy [at] io.com>
References: <list-13836938 [at] prxy.net> <list-13838347 [at] prxy.net> <list-13841752 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:21:45 -0600

> Still have a VIC-20 (with cassette tape drive!) in the closet if =
anyone=20
> would like to have it.  I wrote many games on that system.

A VIC-20 was my first computer eons ago.  I can remember how cool I =
thought it was being able to store these programs on tapes.  I can also =
remember playing those tapes in my dad's stereo and him not liking that =
too much. : )  My dad just got rid of his Commodore 64 [which replaced =
our lovely VIC-20] a few years ago, and he used it right up until he got =
rid of it.

My dad might have his back issues of BYTE in the basement.  He's a pack =
rat like myself, so its a definite possibility.  I'll check with him and =
see if I can't locate said ad next time I'm at their house.

--

Sincerely,

Andrew Vance
Lighting Designer/Supervisor
Omaha Theatre Company/Omaha Theatre Ballet



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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Cable Rot?
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:58:28 -0800
Message-ID: <00ce01c4f9bb$042216c0$8d90fea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-13852025 [at] prxy.net>

I HAVE INSPECTED A GREAT MANY CABLES OVER THE PAST FIFTY YEARS, AND
RACEWAYS, AND I FIND ROTTED CABLES ALL THE TIME. HEAT, WATER, DUST,
VIBRATION, ETC. ALL CONTRIBUTE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. DOOM

-- 
Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. -
www.riskit.com   Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment
Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and
Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops    International
Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Breton
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Cable Rot?

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

While digging through my dimmer closet, I came across a couple of old
cables 
-- probably tossed aside as defective several years ago -- and thought I

might repair them. Most of them were pretty standard fixes (a screw
loose in 
a connector here and there).

One cable, though, was in terrible condition altogether. I cut back the 
neoprene sleeve, and the insulation on the three internal wires was 
practically crumbling -- as if it were rotting away. I sliced down about
a 
foot, then took a look at the connector at the opposite end, and came to
the 
conclusion that it was rotten through and through.

What might have caused this to happen?  Though the insulation on all
three 
wires had some cracking, it was mostly prevalent on the ground. The male
and 
female connectors were in good shape, and the neoprene sleeve was in
perfect 
condition, but it didn't have any markings as to its rating.

Thoughts?  Mostly it's curiosity, but if something wrong happened
(ground 
fault?) I'd like to make certain it doesn't happen again.

Thanks in advance,


-- Matt

========

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:38:57 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Cable Rot?
References: <list-13852025 [at] prxy.net>



Matthew Breton wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> While digging through my dimmer closet, I came across a couple of old cables
> -- probably tossed aside as defective several years ago -- and thought I
> might repair them. Most of them were pretty standard fixes (a screw loose in
> a connector here and there).
>
> One cable, though, was in terrible condition altogether. I cut back the
> neoprene sleeve, and the insulation on the three internal wires was
> practically crumbling -- as if it were rotting away. I sliced down about a
> foot, then took a look at the connector at the opposite end, and came to the
> conclusion that it was rotten through and throug
> What might have caused this to happen?  Though the insulation on all three
> wires had some cracking, it was mostly prevalent on the ground. The male and
> female connectors were in good shape, and the neoprene sleeve was in perfect
> condition, but it didn't have any markings as to its rating.

    Lots of cable insulation are made from plastics.  One of the things that are

added to the mix to keep them flexible are chemicals called plasticizers.  Some
of these plasticizers will be eventually baked off from the cable jacket,
leaving it
brittle and crumbly as you describe.  Elevated heat is the usual culprit.  Cable

runs in a low level overload condition for a few years, baking away the stuff
and eventually it fails.  This happens to pretty much all flexible cable
insulation.


    --Dale



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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:12:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Jobs in Toronto?
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BE0C6A83.2FC6%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13842308 [at] prxy.net>

on 1/13/05 2:14 PM, Fred Fisher at fwfisher [at] wisc.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>> if you are a US citizen it will not be easy.  They're pretty protective up
>> there (Rightly so, IMHO)
>> 
>> Bill S.
> 
> Bill, why do you say that?
> Fred Fisher 
> 

Before they hire a foreigner they try very hard to make sure that there
isn't a Canadian who could do the job.  They protect their people and I
applaud that.

I could start a political war here by asking y'all how many times our gov't.
really tried to protect jobs here in the US.  Oooops.  Guess I did start it,
huh?
<<gg>>

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:14:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Rigging "hollywood" flats
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BE0C6AEF.2FC7%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-13843165 [at] prxy.net>

on 1/13/05 2:26 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com at FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> Like Les, I'm guessing. But Karabiner links seem likely. While they are just
> sprung snap-hooks, they are made with care, and from good materials. Climbers
> trust their lives to them every day. When I was active in the sport, Stubai
> was the best thought-of make. I still have a few, unfortunately relegated to
> duty on a tow-rope.

Rapid links do not have spring clips.  That's one of the things that makes
them dangerous.  if you don't close them yourself, they won't do it by
themselves.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <14.3cac6bd8.2f185a75 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:12:53 EST
Subject: Re: Cable Rot?

In a message dated 13/01/05 20:41:13 GMT Standard Time, 
theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com writes:

> One cable, though, was in terrible condition altogether. I cut back the 
>  neoprene sleeve, and the insulation on the three internal wires was 
>  practically crumbling -- as if it were rotting away. I sliced down about a 
>  foot, then took a look at the connector at the opposite end, and came to 
the 
> 
>  conclusion that it was rotten through and through.
>  
>  What might have caused this to happen?  Though the insulation on all three 
>  wires had some cracking, it was mostly prevalent on the ground. The male 
and 
> 
>  female connectors were in good shape, and the neoprene sleeve was in 
perfect 
> 
>  condition, but it didn't have any markings as to its rating.
>  
>  Thoughts?  Mostly it's curiosity, but if something wrong happened (ground 
>  fault?) I'd like to make certain it doesn't happen again.

It certainly sounds like an overheating problem, and, like you, I should 
suspect a ground fault.

I remember dismantling a Redhead, to find the ground wire green. Not the 
sleeve, the actual copper wire corroded to a solid green. The temperature inside a 
Redhead is about 200C, and the wire wasn't rated for that use. But the 
crimped terminations were OK, and the functionality was perfect. Yes, I replaced it 
with rated wire, but it would have passed its electrical test. But the first 
thing you do is a visual inspection. That caught it.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:22:38 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-13842102 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000013904266 [at] prxy.net>

> Now, I know you don't have a dynamometer or load cell standing by every
time you get a shock load, so my rule of thumb is...if you shock load it, 
Replace it.


Ok Bill and Delbert, for fun and educational purposes, what is the
collective wisdom about rigging for intentional shock loading, like we do in
circus and aerial acrobatic performance, with live human bodies attached?

I know most of the folks on this list are not deeply involved in this line
of work, but the discussion may surface interesting things about equipment
life cycles, rigging inspection and so forth.

Jonathan Deull
Edmund Burke School




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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:12:42 -0600
From: FREDERICK W FISHER <fwfisher [at] facstaff.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Jobs in Toronto?
Message-id: <156360153677.153677156360 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu>



> >> if you are a US citizen it will not be easy.  They're pretty 
> protective up
> >> there (Rightly so, IMHO)
> >> 
> >> Bill S.
> > 
> > Bill, why do you say that?
> > Fred Fisher 
> > 
> 
> Before they hire a foreigner they try very hard to make sure that 
> thereisn't a Canadian who could do the job.  They protect their 
> people and I
> applaud that.
> 
> I could start a political war here by asking y'all how many times 
> our gov't.
> really tried to protect jobs here in the US.  Oooops.  Guess I did 
> start it,
> huh?
> <<gg>>
> 
> Bill S.

Hmmm, it seems to me that as long as they don't make a big deal of it,
American employers have been able to hire and underpay non-documented 
immigrants pretty much at will, since before we gained independence.
Fred F.


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Message-ID: <BAY16-F36E4ED09C5F61AAE57A008C28B0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-13904267 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Delbert Hall" <flyingfx [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:17:37 -0500


>Ok Bill and Delbert, for fun and educational purposes, what is the
>collective wisdom about rigging for intentional shock loading, like we do 
>in
>circus and aerial acrobatic performance, with live human bodies attached?

Interesting question Jonathan, but one that requires a pretty long answer.  
Let me recommend that you goto http://flyingfx.com/standards.htm and read 
the information there.  This should answer most of your questions, but, if 
not - fire away.

-Delbert

Delbert L. Hall
423-773-HALL (4255)



>From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:22:38 -0500
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
> > Now, I know you don't have a dynamometer or load cell standing by every
>time you get a shock load, so my rule of thumb is...if you shock load it,
>Replace it.
>
>
>Ok Bill and Delbert, for fun and educational purposes, what is the
>collective wisdom about rigging for intentional shock loading, like we do 
>in
>circus and aerial acrobatic performance, with live human bodies attached?
>
>I know most of the folks on this list are not deeply involved in this line
>of work, but the discussion may surface interesting things about equipment
>life cycles, rigging inspection and so forth.
>
>Jonathan Deull
>Edmund Burke School
>
>
>



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From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: RE: Shock loading (was Rigging "hollywood" flats)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:47:18 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-13911770 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000013915953 [at] prxy.net>

>Ok Bill and Delbert, for fun and educational purposes, what is the
>collective wisdom about rigging for intentional shock loading, like we do 
>in circus and aerial acrobatic performance, with live human bodies
attached?

Interesting question Jonathan, but one that requires a pretty long answer.  
Let me recommend that you goto http://flyingfx.com/standards.htm and read 
the information there.  This should answer most of your questions, but, if 
not - fire away.

-Delbert

I'm familiar with the standards set forth so well on your site.  (Valuable
not only when flying people...)  The issue I am raising relates specifically
to the practice of intentional repetitive shock loading, its toll on rigging
gear, and the standard guidance that we all were taught about retiring gear
after a shock load.

Jonathan




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From: roguerpj [at] mn.rr.com
Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Angle iron
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:25:37 -0600
Message-ID: <htleu05q6kaug2vom8cqid0m9efeor3dpq [at] 4ax.com>
References: <list-13672949 [at] prxy.net> <list-13677214 [at] prxy.net> <list-13684025 [at] prxy.net> <list-13804228 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-13804228 [at] prxy.net>

I am not seeing it in my copy of the Ryerson cataloge.

rob johnson

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:49:59 -0500, you wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Scott,
>It is kind of dated, but my 1975 Bethlehem Steel Structural Shapes=20
>catalogue lists unequal leg angle. Unfortunately, it does not reference=20
>1.5" x 3.25"  I find 3.5x2.5 and 3x2 and so on.  There is a 2.5 x 1.5=20
>listed.  Best I have at hand.
>Steve.
>
>Scott C. Parker wrote:
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see =
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>=20
>> Greetings All,
>>=20
>> I'm working on a set of specifications for a steel project. [snip]


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