Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 15303077; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:01:33 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #267 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:01:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #267 1. Re: Argentina in February by Paul Puppo 2. Re: Argentina in February by Boyd Ostroff 3. Re: ladders and Lifts general practice by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 4. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by DanSLDME [at] aol.com 5. Re: On-line Portfolios by Sean Evans 6. Re: Anyone in Tokyo in Late February? by "Michael Finney" 7. Re: Anyone in Tokyo in Late February? by Herrick Goldman 8. Re: Metamorphoses pool - (pool heating anecdote) by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 9. Re: forking piano by BKHAIN [at] aol.com 10. Re: Division 11 vs 16 by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 11. Re: Dock Opinions by "Jonathan S. Deull" 12. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by "Alf Sauve" 13. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by Dale Farmer 14. Re: Metamorphoses pool by Dale Farmer 15. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by Dale Farmer 16. NEC Jordan Hall by "John Gibilisco" 17. Re: NEC Jordan Hall by Dale Farmer 18. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by Jerry Durand 19. Re: On-line Portfolios (What do you use for hosting?) by "Mike Marriott" 20. Re: Division 11 vs 16 by roguerpj [at] mn.rr.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9C6708AC-6B46-11D9-B994-000A95823EDA [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com> From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Argentina in February Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:51:40 -0800 That's one reason I'm going... Paul ILLUMINEERING 547 Green Street San Francisco, CA 94133-3905 (415) 397-8776 phone/fax http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com mailto:Paul [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com On Jan 20, 2005, at 4:43 PM, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Note: After visiting arguably the most beautiful theatre in the world, > be prepared for some let-down when returning to a city which considers > the architecture of the War Memorial Opera House, the Curran, and the > Geary to be high art. Suggestion: View the Casa Rosada from >250' > away. > PS: Check out boots and similar leather goods. Better than Italy, IMHO! > /s/ Richard > > Hi List, > I am already planning a visit, both tour and event, to the Teatro > Colon in BA. > Paul Puppo > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:52:54 -0500 (EST) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Argentina in February In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > Note: After visiting arguably the most beautiful theatre in the world, > be prepared for some let-down when returning Well in my case, happily I have the Academy of Music to return to :-) http://tech.operaphilly.com/academy/pix/house/20000326 | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <126.54d293ba.2f21ad2d [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:56:13 EST Subject: Re: ladders and Lifts general practice In a message dated 19/01/05 19:46:58 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > > My personal favorite is the soaked guy > > standing barefoot on the aluminum ladder in a pool using a CORDED > > electric drill, wearing safety goggles. Well, if all the codes have been complied with, where is the hazard? A rated GFCI should handle the elctrical problem. The safety goggles are far more important. A GFCI (on this side of the pond, an RCD) should not allow any harmful current to pass for any harmful length of time. 30mA for 30mS is the standard. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: DanSLDME [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.338e0755.2f21b7bb [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:41:15 EST Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano Comment on Keith A's response: 1) Removing legs & lyre (the pedal assembly) is easy, they're designed to come off easily, but as Keith said you do have to know how. Heaviest side would be the keyboard side but the weight is somewhat in from the edge (pinblock and plate head are massive, but there's a lot of air in the action) Bass side is not far behind for "heavy", but is good for strength, and makes a decent flat bottom when tipped up on that side. Lastly, Keith said "then CALL A TUNER ! ! ! " Let's change that to "FIRST, CALL YOUR TUNER". Your tuner will know how to do all this stuff, and can render *qualified* advice as to whether it's practical to do this yourself. =================== Then Marko said "The important thing is to make sure that the contact points have a direct line of compression to the soundboard. " Sorry Mark, but that's a NO NO NO. DO NOT ALLOW ANY WEIGHT TO BE BORNE BY THE SOUNDBOARD It's a resonant diaphragm, actually somewhat delicate. You wouldn't support a massive base drum by its active diaphragm, you'd support the strong part of the case. Same deal with the piano. There's plenty of strong stuff, but there are some less-strong places you wouldn't want to take too much load. Call your tuner. First. HT. Dan S. Son of a tuner/craftsman. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <35e1805a05012017584c66661 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:58:26 -0600 From: Sean Evans Reply-To: Sean Evans Subject: Re: On-line Portfolios In-Reply-To: References:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:32:02 -0600, roguerpj [at] mn.rr.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have gotten a lot of ideas from looking at what you all have posted > here. > > I do, however have some questions. What soft ware do you use to put > these together. I have put some web sights up using an old copy of > Netscape's Browser suite but it was time consuming and is now vary > much out of date. I know of Frontpage but I always start out leery of > Microsoft. > > Also, I noticed some have there resume's available for down load as > pdf files, as word documents, or not at all. Has anyone run in to > troubles with Mac users and said Documents? Or does the above seem to > cover all bases? > > Rob Johnson > Freelance Set and Lighting Designer > On my site, I have my resume in 4 different formats (I actually have 4 or 5 different resumes there too) I really should pare this down. I do all of my HTML in a text editor. Used to use notepad when I was on windows, now I use KWrite in Linux. I personally think that the results you'll get with a fill-in-the-blanks type of web page program are on par with what you'll get from a fill-in-the-blanks type resume program. If you're going to spend hours getting your resume "just right" putting it on an ugly web-page seems like a waste. -- Sean T. Evans ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Anyone in Tokyo in Late February? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:12:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Herrick Goldman wrote: <> Ohhhh, Brother Herrick, I'll definitely contact you off-list for details, but a few thoughts: Depending on how much you want to spend on hotels, I'd look at either the Hyatt or Hilton in Shinjuku (higher cost, but painless and "welcoming" for westerners in a very foreign place (everybody speaks English)...and the Oak Bar at the Hilton is pretty darned relaxing) or one of the Prince hotels (less expensive - Japanese business-man hotels...most staff have some English, but it's definitely a Japanese hotel)...either the Sunshine City Prince in Ikebukuro or the Shinjuku Prince in (duh!) Shinjuku. Shinjuku is a good central location if you only have a day or so. All the airport "limousine" busses go there, and all the major train lines go through Shinjuku station.=20 Definitely pick up a copy of the Tokyo Bilingual Atlas - it's maps of Tokyo in both English and Kanji (including subway and train maps). It's a small book, and easy to toss in the shoulder bag. If you can't find a copy, let me know and I'll hook you up. I also like the Tokyo City Guide as a good guide book. It's a little more "local color" than Rough Guide or Lonely Planet, but I actually used it a lot when I was living there. Shinjuku in general is a "must", just for the culture shock. If you liked "Lost in Translation", then you saw a lot of the images from the area right around Shinjuku station...especially to the west of the station. After dark, the section called Kubuki-jo (NW of the station) gets pretty wild....during the day it's just depressing... Akhihabara (Electric City) is a must for any tech nerd...it's the central location for every electronic toy store you've ever heard of. Not to mention all the little alleys right around the station where you can find stalls specializing in things like 1970 era computer chips....or just clip leads.... If you're looking for museums, then I'd hit the National Museum in Ueno - it's fairly overwhelming, but the main building has some extraordinary traditional Japanese art (including swords, pottery, and ukioye prints)...and the walk from the Ueno Station to the museum is pretty cool. If you have a chance, take a walk around the Emperor's Castle - and the museums on that site are a fine, smaller alternative to the National. To do that, I'd take the train to Tokyo Station and walk over the castle grounds. They close at sunset (more or less), so your evening is still free! If you're there on a weekend, don't miss the freak show at Harajuku park. Picture Japanese schoolgirls dressed up as vampire clowns in Heidi outfits and you're getting close to the picture. The main street away from the station (Omote-Sando) goes into the high fashion area - and the side streets have some great little restaurants. One of the largest Shinto complexes (the Meijii Shrine) in the city is also there.....immediately adjacent to the train station. Last and strangest is the fish market at Tsukiji...it's where they auction sushi grade fish early, early in the morning. Officially, "civilians" aren't supposed to wander through there, but nobody has ever enforced that in my knowledge. And there's something cool about watching huge tuna being auctioned off and then stopping at one of the sushi stalls in the market for some excellent sushi....all before 9am! Wish I was crossing paths with you there....if nothing else, I could drag you to the Beer Museum! Or this great little garden/courtyard bar and restaurant that I found...located 3 stories underground beneath a pachinko parlor in Ikebukuro... Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:30:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Anyone in Tokyo in Late February? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Finney!! I said a day not a month! You're just gonna have to get us some work over there. We'll see if I can convince the airlines (and the wife) to let me stay a day or more. -H On 1/20/05 21:12, "Michael Finney" wrote: > > Ohhhh, Brother Herrick, I'll definitely contact you off-list for > details, but a few thoughts: -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:31:43 GMT Subject: Re: Metamorphoses pool - (pool heating anecdote) Message-Id: <20050120.183243.8638.26070 [at] webmail03.lax.untd.com> Since other persons are quite willing to mention how to do it right, here is an example of how to do it wrong: (Note: no GFIs 30+ years ago) I worked for Sid & Marty Kroft Productions redesigning, engineering, and fabricating the rides for an theme park inside the Omni Hotel in Atlanta. We used their 'puppet shop' adjacent to the Burbank airport, which was a very safe workspace. The theme park failed financially, and I was hired to work on 'The Donny and Marie Show' that they were producing. This Variety show was taped on the same ancient soundstage that used for 'The Jazz Singer'(the first 'talking' motion picture). There was an ice rink constructed on stage, where some pretty skaters did 'June Taylor-esque' routines while D&M sang. For one sketch, a pool was required to simulate a beach scene. A tank was rented and promptly filled with water. The water was too cold for the guest stars, of course, so they wanted it heated immediately. The method chosen by someone who will remain nameless was to take a whole (500', I think) roll of heavy-gauge Nichrome wire, and attach MANY parallel 4/0 runs between it's ends and the 3,000 amp at 220 volts fusible disconnect on the soundstage wall. The nichrome wire was completely submerged and the switch was thrown. Nothing blew up, the water was heated quickly, but I was apprehensive. I talked to Harry Kroft (Sid & Marty's brother and president/resident bean-counter for the company,) and he told me that procedures that he would NEVER permit in his own shop (and didn't) could be permissible in someone else's soundstage. /s/ Richard Hello all- I'm the TD for a production of Metamorphoses at Purdue University. We're planning on using a ~2500 gal. pool and I'm interested in safe, effective, cheap methods, in that order, for heating it. Does anyone have any experience with this technology or know of other avenues I might explore? Any information is greatly appreciated. Erik Nelson ------------------------------ From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com Message-ID: <154.48ed85ec.2f21c5fa [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:42:02 EST Subject: Re: forking piano The local Civic Center here routinely forks their grand piano onto staging, however this piano is on a dolly so they're lifting under the dolly. They add long forks (about 6' or 7', approach from the keyboard, place a wood 4"x 4" at the tip of the forks, again, UNDER the piano dolly, and slowly raise and move it. We've got a good fork operator too. Ben Hain ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Division 11 vs 16 Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:44:24 -0500 I'm glad we got this going. When I took this job post-renovation it really irked me to see the prices we'd paid for consoles that a few months earlier I was selling for a lot less. I know there are pitfalls either way and I've seen projects tank because the knowledgeable people couldn't get through an electrical sub who didn't care or good suppliers go nuts trying to explain to an end user that a Yamaha 4K simply wouldn't fit in the control booth. I thought Delbert nailed it pretty well and I thank Bryan Ackler for the update but what's important is how do we get the right equipment at the best price and I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can help. I believe it's up to the each state as to whether it's Division, Section or Paragraph but hopefully the contractors that don't care will end up with Chapter 11 which is something else indeed. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: Dock Opinions Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:41:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greg: If you do plan to use the loading dock for trucks, you might want to get some free advice from our guys at Clark Transfer, who know a little bit about the subject. How many of us have been in venues with loading docks that just don't work for trucks -- especially for the 53' trailers that are becoming industry standard? We'd be happy to provide some pointers -- or look at drawings -- to see if there are any headaches lurking down the line. Feel free to contact me off-list. Jonathan Deull Clark Transfer, Inc. www.clarktransfer.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Greg Persinger Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:07 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Dock Opinions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Greetings all, I have a church project that I am currently working on that has the truck loading dock placed dead center of the stage with a roll up door leading into a staging/shop area before hitting another roll up door that is in the upstage center wall. This opens directly onto stage. I am tempted to try to get them to offset the dock to one side of the stage or the other. I think I might be able to get it to come into the wing more than on stage. Any thoughts or preferences? I am coming onto the job late so I am not sure it can be changed at this point and I want to make sure the outcome will outweigh the effort that it will take to make the change. I do know that the way the parking lot is currently designed you can't get a truck to this dock but I know this can be changed. I look forward to hearing your remarks. Sincerely, Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <028d01c4ff6c$83da01f0$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:42:10 -0500 Brian, Let me second the sentiment. For a delicate, though heavy, finely built instrument that could be worth $100k, what's 0.5% of its value to have it moved properly and to be instructed on how to move it in the future? I think I paid $300 last year to swap model B (~6') with a spinet between two differnet churches. Tuning extra, but then you should have it tuned before any major even anyway. Especially if the artist has their own preferences as to temper. There is a local church that moves their Model D up and down 2 or three times a year. They have a special hand crank lift. I seem to remember it's made of heavy metal rails and is disassembled when not in use. Might be worth checking into for the future. Sorry, I don't have more exact info on this, but can get if you like. I don't think anybody has mentioned this, not only must the riser take the gross weigth involved, but the loading factor must be considered. All that weight is going to be concentrated on three very small areas. Just a thought. Alf ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F038B6.4A32153E [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:03:18 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano References:

Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Randy Whitcomb wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Stephen Litterst" > > > Steve, > > I think you left out a zero. The last estimate I heard about the value of > > our Steinway was $90,000. > > Yeah, I was dumb and looked up the weight, but not the price. My bad. > > Steve Litterst At that price, before you move it, draw up a nice memorandum for the record, noting the cost of the piano, what they want you to do, and the cost of hiring a piano moving company to do the job right. Then put in a nice legal hold harmless and assumption of total liability for any accidents or incidents, and all legal and court costs. Have someone else sign on that bottom line. Then when they freak out, have the already filled out purchase order for the piano moving company in your pocket ready to pull out. The piano doesn't move until one or the other is signed by someone authorized to take that financial responsibility. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F03F18.90EAFE31 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:30:32 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Metamorphoses pool References: Erik Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all- > > I'm the TD for a production of Metamorphoses at Purdue University. We're > planning on using a ~2500 gal. pool and I'm interested in safe, effective, > cheap methods, in that order, for heating it. We're in a relatively small > space with mediocre ventilation, so electric heat is the only option. My > research so far has led me to spa type heaters from Raypack or Hayward. I > think the 11kW models will heat the water to around 72 degrees in about 8 > hours. > > Does anyone have any experience with this technology or know of other > avenues I might explore? > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > Erik Nelson > eanelson [at] purdue.edu If you are heating it, you are making it good for bacteria to grow. You will need to be right on top of the water chemistry. At the first filling, super chlorinate it to kill off the initial populations, and periodically you will want to resuperchlorinate it, as well as keeping the chlorine level up. I'd suggest actually doing the water testing and treatment just after each performance, over chlorinating such that the chlorine level is at target level for the next performance. Experience will tell you what the chlorine levels you need to achieve this. filtering and cleaning the water, having the talent shower before performances. Work with makeup so that they don't use makeup that will wash off and gunk up the pool. Giving your talent all a raging dermatitis from bad water will make you *really* popular with the bosses. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F04185.2E2C84E3 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:40:54 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification References:

Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I just talked to the Electrical Safety Authority of Canada at > 1-877-372-7233 and they need EVERY electrical device in our booth certified > regardless if it uses AC main power or not. That's every wire, lamp, > calculator, (battery powered watch?, pacemaker?), etc., no matter if it > runs on 1V or the AC mains. > > I specifically asked them about an approved 6V AC adapter powering, for > example, a clock. Nope, the clock/adapter combo needs it's own > approval. I asked about a PC which has plugs for keyboard, mouse, > etc. Again, the entire combo must be approved as a unit, changing mice > voids the approval. > > And, their $49/booth exemption form allows you to SHOW unapproved devices, > but you may not power them. > > Going by this you couldn't plug an approved device into an approved > extension cord without getting that combo approved. This is a bit much, > any comments from people who have "been there, done that"? Sounds like the inspectors in Toronto are as big a*****les as the customs inspectors at Toronto airport. Can't turn on unapproved prototypes in the booth!?! Sheesh! --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005501c4ff7e$1f9c0fa0$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References: Subject: NEC Jordan Hall Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:57:42 -0600 Dos anyone happen to have a video copy of the one-hour television special, This Old Hall, featuring the renovation of New England Conservatory's Jordan Hall? It was aired as part of the "This Old House" Series on PBS. Don't remember the year but it probably aired around 95 or 96. I remember it covered the air handling in detail. I would like to see it again so that I can review the installation of the ceiling air vent baffles that were installed instead of a noisy metal finned vent. If you are willing to loan this contact me off list. Thanks, John Gibilisco Omaha Playhouse jgibilisco [at] omahaplayhouse.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F09C6E.668A7E1 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:08:46 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: NEC Jordan Hall References:

John Gibilisco wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dos anyone happen to have a video copy of the one-hour television special, > This Old Hall, featuring the renovation of New England Conservatory's Jordan > Hall? > > It was aired as part of the "This Old House" Series on PBS. Don't remember > the year but it probably aired around 95 or 96. > > I remember it covered the air handling in detail. I would like to see it > again so that I can review the installation of the ceiling air vent baffles > that were installed instead of a noisy metal finned vent. > > If you are willing to loan this contact me off list. > > Thanks, > > John Gibilisco > Omaha Playhouse > jgibilisco [at] omahaplayhouse.com I would suspect that you can buy a copy from wgbh.org or PBS.org. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050120220624.02994e60 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:08:46 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:40 PM 1/20/2005, you wrote: > Sounds like the inspectors in Toronto are as big a*****les as the customs >inspectors at Toronto airport. Can't turn on unapproved prototypes in the >booth!?! Sheesh! This HAS to be wrong. I sent a fax in to the safety authority explaining I'm talking about LOW VOLTAGE devices being plugged into approved adapters. I HOPE the person on the phone just misunderstood. I've also contacted the testing lab we've used in the past and their Canada specialist will get back to me tomorrow. I'll report what I find out. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200501210613.j0L6D2wF021881 [at] mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> From: "Mike Marriott" Subject: RE: On-line Portfolios (What do you use for hosting?) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:43:29 +1030 In-Reply-To: www.dreamhost.com US$9.95. Cant say anything bad about them. Regards Mike Marriott I have a digital portfolio that I would like to put online. The choices for hosting are >quite daunting in regards to price and services. After looking at some of the portfolios posted, there seems to be quite a few of you with your own sites and domains, which is the direction I would like to head. Are there any good options out there? Horror stories!? Thanks, Pat Immel Northwest Missouri State University ------------------------------ From: roguerpj [at] mn.rr.com Subject: Re: Division 11 vs 16 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:58:43 -0600 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: I wanted to thank Delbert for doing a quick review of what the whole Division thing was. Luckily for me the first time I had an experience with reading and understanding a specification I had a guide. He walked me through the specs for a new sound system that was being installed in the theatre I was TD for. I was shocked to find out that the sound company was not required to pull the wire but the electrical contractor was.=20 It paid off later when I was a Project Manger for a theatrical supply company. There was one to many a job where the electrical contractor just bid on there section and didn't really read the full spec. Thus missing low voltage wire pulls and even some distro hook ups. I relished the time a electrical contractor had missed biding on the wire pull for a complete 192 dimmer system that was in Division 16. He looked me straight in the face and said we should provide that because we where the supplier of the equipment. I casually pulled out our approved drawings and showed him the part about supplied by electrical contractor. He still protested till I showed him the part of the spec that called for a complete and working system. and asked him how the system could be complete with out some copper wire between those fancy dimmers and the distribution. Of course I didn't win points with our own sales staff when I would ask why something was not part of our bid. Little things like as built drawings, or money for our drawings to be certified by a engineer. It is a wonder anything gets built in this world. rob johnson ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #267 *****************************