Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 15425216; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:01:45 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #268 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:01:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #268 1. Re: Anyone in Tokyo in Late February? by "Delbert Hall" 2. Re: Division 11 vs 16 by "Delbert Hall" 3. Re: Stagecraft at USITT by "Jonathan S. Deull" 4. Re: Cleaning Plexi by "Paul Guncheon" 5. Re: Cubes by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: Cubes by "Jon Ares" 7. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by Jerry Durand 8. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Michael J. Banvard" 9. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by Herrick Goldman 10. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Rob Carovillano" 11. Re: Metamorphoses pool by "Chris Kennedy" 12. Re: Metamorphoses pool by Michael Powers 13. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by Bill Sapsis 14. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by Herrick Goldman 15. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Seating Help! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by ". Mitch Hefter" 19. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by Jerry Durand 21. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: Metamorphoses pool by mo 23. Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by Mark O'Brien 25. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Josh Ratty" 26. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Delbert Hall" 27. Looking for a European Cotton Fabric.... by Barney Simon 28. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Joe Golden" 29. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by Stuart Wheaton 30. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by Sunil Rajan 31. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by Herrick Goldman 32. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Delbert Hall" 33. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: ladders and lifts - general practice by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 36. Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano by "Jason" 37. Re: ladders and lifts - general practice by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 38. Re: ladders and lifts - general practice by "Tony Deeming" 39. Re: ladders and lifts - general practice OT/smoking by "Mike Rock" 40. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by Noah Price 41. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 42. Re: Add to the humor? by Noah Price 43. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Delbert Hall" 44. Guys and Dolls Music -- plea by Mat Goebel 45. Re: Cleaning Plexi by "Jonathan S. Deull" 46. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Josh Ratty" 47. Re: ladders and lifts - general practice OT/smoking by MissWisc [at] aol.com 48. Re: Caribeners (was quick links) by "Josh Ratty" 49. Job posting in Minneapolis by clindau 50. Re: Guys and Dolls Music -- plea by MissWisc [at] aol.com 51. Re: Dock Opinions by Greg Bierly 52. Re: Two-Scene Operation of Lighting Consoles by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Anyone in Tokyo in Late February? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:30:48 -0500 Herrick, I have a friend who is in Tokyo with Cirque. I am not sure how long she will be there, but if you want her email address, contact me privately. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Division 11 vs 16 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:51:57 -0500 MasterFormat for Theatre MasterFormat is the industry standard for organizing construction information. In 2004 it underwent its first major reorganization in more than 40 years. This reorganization expanded the number of divisions from 16 to 50 (Divisions 00 - 49) with only 35 divisions currently populated. Theater and Stage Equipment remained in Division 11 under the broadscope section number of 11 61 00. This works includes such equipment as acoustical shells, folding and portable stages, rigging systems and controls, and stage curtains. Division 26 - Electrical (formerly Division 16) is the location for electrical information. Such work results as theatrical lighting controls (26 09 61) and theatrical lighting (26 55 61) are located here. This type of equipment is specified in churches, educational facilities, and even retail facility, so it is not unique to just theatre facilities. MasterFormat does not organize information by strict design jurisdiction, construction trade, or facility type but by traditional construction practices. Therefore, a theatre consultant my have work specified in multiple divisions. There are many other work result sections that are commonly used in theatre projects that are also used in other facilities. Below is a partial list of section numbers and construction activities associated with each MasterFormat section number. 05 51 36 - for catwalks 12 61 00 - for fixed audience seating for theatres 14 43 00 - for stage and orchestra lifts 14 74 61 - for stage turntables 27 41 16 - for integrated audio-video systems and equipment for theatres In regard to who is responsible for supplying and installing equipent, properly written project specifications, only provides the project requirements and the general contractor is responsible for dividing the work. In some cases, one trade may supply a product and it is installed by another trade. This is typical for such work as roof drains, that are typically supplied by the plumber and installed fy the roofer. For more information on the new MasterFormat 2004 go to www.csinet.org/masterformat. I would also recommend that you contact you local chapter of the Construction Specifications Institute for more information on understanding written construction documents. Most chapters have educational seminars on MasterFormat and other topics related to organizing construction information. Dennis J. Hall FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Managing Principal Hall Architects, Inc. 501 North Church Street | Suite 200 | Charlotte, NC 28202 T:704.334.2101 | F:704.334.1027 | E:dhall [at] hallarch.com Dennis J. Hallr is the Chairman of the CSI/CSC MasterFormat Expansion task team and a MasterFormat 2004 Accredited Instructor. ________________________ Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: Stagecraft at USITT Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:45:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1) Shameless self-promotion moment: Unfortunately, the seminar we discussed on the list a while back on the subject of the logistical intricacies of touring ("Putting your Show on the Road") has been scheduled for the wonderfully convenient time slot of 9:30pm on Thursday night. I'm hoping that one or two of the brave souls on this list that contributed to the development of that seminar will be able to drop by. 2) Changing hats: Many people on this list provided great ideas and advice over the past two years toward the design of our high school's new studio (black box) theatre -- also my first gig as a theatre consultant. We are breaking ground on April 1, and I thought it might be interesting to sit around a table in Toronto with a set of drawings and talk about our process, what we came up with and the mistakes we may made. It could be a kind of informal case study as well as a chance to visit with people with shared concerns. Please let me know on or off list if anyone has any interest in this and we'll see if we can find a convenient time and venue. See you in Toronto! Jonathan Deull Clark Transfer, Inc. & Edmund Burke School Washington, DC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003501c4ffc7$88d5bc20$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Plexi Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:43:11 -1000 <> You could but this would in no way would help. Get some plastic (Plexiglas) cleaner which should be available from your local hardware store (maybe) or your plastics dealer (certainly). Glass cleaner does not work so well on plastic either. Laters, Paul "The censors took all the dirty bits out of my show", said Tom deluded. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003601c4ffc9$10286a50$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Cubes Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:54:08 -1000 <> erm... the way the construction is decribed (i.e. a running joint for the sides with a capped top and botttom) would suggest a cutting list of: 2 - 18" x 18" (top and bottom) 4 - 16-1/2"(vertically) x 17-1/4" (horizontally) Notes: Methinks the 2x2 stock internal framing is unnecessary for a cube this size. Glue and nail rather than screw. Either or, use glue. Cut the hand holes and rout with a 1/4" round over bit from "both" sides and sand before you assemble the box. << Putting some 1/4 round wood trim along the edges ( which will force a change of all the dimensions above) will make them a lot less splintery in daily use.>> And will give you something to repair later. <> Of this sense made I could make not... Laters, Paul "I don't think this poem is long enough" said Tom, adversely ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001501c4ffca$504592b0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Cubes Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:03:06 -0800 > erm... the way the construction is decribed (i.e. a running joint for the > sides with a capped top and botttom) would suggest a cutting list of: > > 2 - 18" x 18" (top and bottom) > 4 - 16-1/2"(vertically) x 17-1/4" (horizontally) > > Notes: > > Methinks the 2x2 stock internal framing is unnecessary for a cube this > size. > Glue and nail rather than screw. Either or, use glue. The cubes that Paul is referring to sounded unecessarily heavy to me when I first read the recipe. 3/4" ply for 18" cubes? Yikes. I had some rehearsal cubes built for me like this many years ago, and I was blown away with the weight. The handholes Paul suggests would definitely be helpful. The 18" cube drawings I have (using 3/8" ply and 2" styro inside for added rigidity) are available to anyone who asks. Maybe it can be posted to the Stagecraft website? It's a PDF. Scott Parker - the one I sent you might have been rogue - if you open it and see no fonts, let me know. Tying in to yesterday's thread about PDFs - Boyd beat me to it - they don't ALWAYS treat font things right - there's a lot of settings to take into consideration. I used PrimoPDF to make the PDF of the cube drawings, forgetting it doesn't like my fonts for some reason. I re-did the PDF with Adobe's spendy product, and it came out fine. Word to the wise. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050121073101.040a5aa0 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:46:41 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification I just talked to the inspector for the Metro Toronto Convention Centre (Roy Elwood). He said the person I talked to when I called their office was wrong (as I suspected) and he's requesting additional training for the phone support people. He also said their Form 1001A is worded badly. What it means is, you can't plug in anything that's not Canada approved until he looks at it. They left off the last part. So, here's what he wants to see for this show: Anything that's plugged into a Canada approved class-2 (less than 30VDC) AC adapter is fine. Don't list it on the form, it's considered approved (the exact point I tried to make to the first person). Anything that emits light (even a single LED) is technically required to be separately certified. He said the code was written with line-voltage incandescent lamps in mind, low voltage lights powered by class-2 adapters are probably ok. If they get big or look dangerous, they should be on the form and he'll want to look at them. Otherwise, if it attaches to AC power or the output of an AC dimmer (including extension cords and power strips), it either needs to have a Canada-approved safety certification or be listed on the form for him to look at. Mr. Elwood was very helpful, courteous, and knowledgeable. Be sure to thank him for the care he shows both for people's safety and allowing us foreigners to show our products in Ontario. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Banvard" Subject: RE: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:34:46 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: > When I gave up climbing, my Karabiners were relegated to tow > lines. With wire > strops to attach them to the car, and a Karabiner to attach > the strops to a > triple plait of Nylon webbing, you have an excellent tow > line. And if it parts, > it is unlikely to cause much trouble. Frank, Is there a way that you can get a picture of your Karabiners posted? The concept of using a climbing Carabiner in a towing capacity is, honestly, quite frightening. I'm hoping that there is a mis-communication here. In any towing that I have done with a vehicle, aside from using tow hooks and hitches, I would use nothing less than a 3/4" shackle. The shock loads are tremendous when towing, and it would not occur to me that a Carabiner would survive a trip. I just want clarification of this image in my head. Thanks, - Michael. ____________ Virus checked by Guardian Worm Killer && AntiVirus Version: AVK 15.0.2525 from 18.01.2005 Virus news: www.guardianproducts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:58:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ok Here's something that only happens once a century. Frank and I agree on something. I used to work EMS and we had occasion to tow an ambulance out of the mud of a soccer field. A few of us had high angle certification and had our gear with us. I used my D-shaped locking 'biner to attach a Webbed Tow line to the front of the bus and we towed it out of the field just fine. Obviously I'd never use that 'biner for climbing again. But it still holds my keys just fine. It's on the end of my drop line as a matter of fact. -Herrick On 1/21/05 11:34, "Michael J. Banvard" wrote: > Frank, > > In any towing that I have done with a vehicle, aside from using tow hooks > and hitches, I would use nothing less than a 3/4" shackle. The shock loads > are tremendous when towing, and it would not occur to me that a Carabiner > would survive a trip. > > I just want clarification of this image in my head. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c4ffdb$0699a5f0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:02:44 -0500 In the fire service our Carabiners are rated at 10,000 lbs. That is with a built in safety factor of 15:1. We also never put more that 600 lbs on one to add an additional safety margin. The 10,000 lb rating also has the shock load from the associated static load built in. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Banvard To: Stagecraft Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > When I gave up climbing, my Karabiners were relegated to tow > lines. With wire > strops to attach them to the car, and a Karabiner to attach > the strops to a > triple plait of Nylon webbing, you have an excellent tow > line. And if it parts, > it is unlikely to cause much trouble. Frank, Is there a way that you can get a picture of your Karabiners posted? The concept of using a climbing Carabiner in a towing capacity is, honestly, quite frightening. I'm hoping that there is a mis-communication here. In any towing that I have done with a vehicle, aside from using tow hooks and hitches, I would use nothing less than a 3/4" shackle. The shock loads are tremendous when towing, and it would not occur to me that a Carabiner would survive a trip. I just want clarification of this image in my head. Thanks, - Michael. ____________ Virus checked by Guardian Worm Killer && AntiVirus Version: AVK 15.0.2525 from 18.01.2005 Virus news: www.guardianproducts.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200501211714.j0LHE9Tg020304 [at] smtp.ucsd.edu> From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Metamorphoses pool Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:12:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: Instead of chlorinating, has anyone used an ionizer for their pool before? Good, bad, indifferent? http://www.redtagsales.com/swimming-pool-supplies/supply.html Chris -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dale Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:31 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Metamorphoses pool For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Erik Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all- > > I'm the TD for a production of Metamorphoses at Purdue University. We're > planning on using a ~2500 gal. pool and I'm interested in safe, effective, > cheap methods, in that order, for heating it. We're in a relatively small > space with mediocre ventilation, so electric heat is the only option. My > research so far has led me to spa type heaters from Raypack or Hayward. I > think the 11kW models will heat the water to around 72 degrees in about 8 > hours. > > Does anyone have any experience with this technology or know of other > avenues I might explore? > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > Erik Nelson > eanelson [at] purdue.edu If you are heating it, you are making it good for bacteria to grow. You will need to be right on top of the water chemistry. At the first filling, super chlorinate it to kill off the initial populations, and periodically you will want to resuperchlorinate it, as well as keeping the chlorine level up. I'd suggest actually doing the water testing and treatment just after each performance, over chlorinating such that the chlorine level is at target level for the next performance. Experience will tell you what the chlorine levels you need to achieve this. filtering and cleaning the water, having the talent shower before performances. Work with makeup so that they don't use makeup that will wash off and gunk up the pool. Giving your talent all a raging dermatitis from bad water will make you *really* popular with the bosses. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:16:44 -0500 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Metamorphoses pool Message-id: <1106327804.41f138fc23ff7 [at] mail-www2.oit.umass.edu> Dale Farmer writes: << If you are heating it, you are making it good for bacteria to grow. You will need to be right on top of the water chemistry. At the first filling, super chlorinate it to kill off .............. I'd suggest actually doing the water testing and treatment just after each performance, over chlorinating such that the chlorine level is at target level for the next performance. ....... filtering and cleaning the water, having the talent shower before performances..........>> Dale is right on the money in that the pool needs to be treated. However, chlorine is not the treatment that should be used. Bromine is the best treatment for indoor pools on stage. It is the treatment recommended by most, if not all, hot tub and spa companies now, and is readily available at any pool and spa supply. The reasons are multi fold. One of the main reasons is the smell. Think back to the last time you were at an indoor pool at a school or the Y. The chlorine aroma permeates the building. Bromine is virtually odorless. Another reason is the slight bleaching effect that chlorinated water has. Depending on the costumes that get wet, the degree of color fastness, how long the show runs, how soon the garments get rinsed out after the show etc., there will be a noticeable fading over a short time. Like chlorine treatments, Bromine treatment systems also have a shock treatment for the initial hit. Also, in my experience, the bromine treatment is much easier to maintain the desired level than chlorine. The bromine is far friendlier to your pumps and other hardware, especially any metal that comes into contact with the treated water. Also with the bromine, you never have to add acid to the water to control the ph. As for the filtering and cleaning,like you said, YES! YES! YES! It is amazing how much dirt, dust and "stuff" there is in and around a theatre stage. Somehow, like a black suit near a cat, there is a mysterious magnetism that sucks all the crap to the pool, it's magic. by or make a pool skimmer, basicly a large screen on a pole, to skim debris off the surface. Get or make a pool cover. It will serve two purposes, first to reduce the amount of gunk that gets into the pool between performances but also to help maintain the temperature between performances so your heater doesn't have to run as long or as hot. If our shows are running daily, it's a lot easier and uses less electricity to maintain an even temperature than to re-heat it from the start. If you have 3 or 4 days between shows, cover the pool and shut off the heater. Obviously, run a test timing so you know how long it takes to reheat the pool from room temp, and, if you change the water, say weekly, how long it takes to heat up from tap temp. Leave the cover on during heating. A commercial cover can be somewhat expensive, but I have found that 2"-2x8 foam sheets cut to fit the size and shape of the pool, painted with at least two coats of exterior gloss latex or acrylic enamel (to reduce edge crumbling and styro foam bits in the water) and covered with a visquene or similar tarp, is a cheap and very efficient pool cover. As for heating the pool, Grainger (for one) has a number of spa heaters with thermostats for under $200. Spa thermostats are usually adjustable from 60 to 160 F (15 to 71 C). Most Hot water heater thermostats have a low temp setting around 120 F (49C), far too hot for this use. What is the "Right" temp? That is entirely up to the actors. Even Equity does not specify a specific temperature. To paraphrase what the books says, ".... a comfortable temperature...." And comfort is in the eye, maybe I should say skin, of the beholder. There are several factors that determine what is comfortable other than the actor. These are: ambient room temperature, HVAC i.e. are there drafts or even a slight breeze on stage, the costume material and how much the actor is covered. I've done a number of pools, waterfalls,"Singing In The Rain" et.al. and have had the temperature as low as 74 and as high as 88, Fahrenheit, (roughly 26 to 31 C). The trouble comes if you have two actors in widely different costumes that have to get wet at the same time, say one in a suit, vest and jacket and the other in short skirt with spaghetti straps, she'll want it at 88 (31) and he'll ask for 72 (24). Anyway, for what it's worth, that's part of what I've learned about pools and water over the years. I hope it helps a bit. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:21:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 1/21/05 11:58 AM, Herrick Goldman at Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com wrote: > Frank and I agree on something. Yikes! > > I used to work EMS and we had occasion to tow an ambulance out of the mud of > a soccer field. A few of us had high angle certification and had our gear > with us. I used my D-shaped locking 'biner to attach a Webbed Tow line to > the front of the bus and we towed it out of the field just fine. Obviously > I'd never use that 'biner for climbing again. But it still holds my keys > just fine. It's on the end of my drop line as a matter of fact. All well and good. but do yourself a favor. Don't stand in line when you do that tow thing. I've watched biners fail in the past and they turn into very deadly projectiles. I'm sure your emt buddies would find it amusing to see you with a biner sticking out of your forehead, but I bet you wouldn't. Just a thought. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:28:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Aw c'mon we live for trauma! I was driving the tow vehicle anyway. I have a lot of respect for Darwin and Murphy, especially after working Hartford EMS! -H On 1/21/05 12:21, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: I'm sure your emt buddies would find it amusing to > see you with a biner sticking out of your forehead, but I bet you wouldn't. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.34d3a415.2f229cff [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:59:27 EST Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano In a message dated 20/01/05 15:44:24 GMT Standard Time, marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > The important > thing is to make sure that the contact points have a direct line of > compression to the soundboard. Otherwise you need more than a tuner to > make it sound good. I don't think you really mean that. The soundboard is thin, fragile, and flexible. What you probably mean is the cast iron frame, which is the heavy bit. This is usually securely attached to the case. Avoid twisting stresses like the plague. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <83.1f89269e.2f229da7 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:02:15 EST Subject: Re: Seating Help! In a message dated 20/01/05 15:50:46 GMT Standard Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > I assume that you have been made aware of the 1990 Americans with > Disabilities Act (ADA). Since you will have to allow extra depth where > wheelchairs will be accommodated, consider providing more spaces than are > legally required, and then use that space as all or part of your FOH sound > control position. If you comply with ADA by having quick-release removable > seats, just be sure that there are at least four additional nonrequired > adjacent 'wheelchair' spaces that can cleared of seats for FOH sound. A ' > wheelchair space' is 30" wide and 60" deep. > /s/ Richard > > Alright folks I just got the approval to replace the seating (413 total) in > my space that was built in 1974 (bad harvest gold color). I need any and all > saga advice about seating, vendors, and process. My timeline is very short > and we need everything in place for the contractor in mid-June. Thanks in > advance! Don't forget to have Box Office provide adjacent seats for the 'minders'. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <36.6ab87c01.2f229fb5 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:11:01 EST Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano In a message dated 20/01/05 15:51:27 GMT Standard Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > As Keith said, grands are generally moved and shipped on their side, > but if you have no manpower or budget I guess that's not an option. Funnily enough, they are often easier to move than uprights, if you have a piano trolley. With the pedal mechanism and legs off, and on their long side, they cause fewer space problems, being narrower. It's usually obvious how to do this; the legs usually just unscrew. To get my big upright into the room, we had to take off two doors, because neither could open more than 90 degrees. The thickness of the door itself defeated us. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <53059.208.215.238.2.1106331643.squirrel [at] 208.215.238.2> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:20:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification From: ". Mitch Hefter" Reply-To: mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com Jerry Durand wrote: > > This HAS to be wrong. I sent a fax in to the safety authority explaining > I'm talking about LOW VOLTAGE devices being plugged into approved > adapters. I HOPE the person on the phone just misunderstood. I've also > contacted the testing lab we've used in the past and their Canada > specialist will get back to me tomorrow. I'll report what I find out. > Remember, our definition of Low Voltage is different from a lot of the electrical world. They see Low Voltage as less than 600 volts. We're talking about Class 2 circuits, which can be high but are power-limited. . . . ------------------------------------- Mitch Hefter mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlyte.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 (Direct 214/ 647-7967) +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax http://www.etdimming.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <155.4884d42c.2f22a21a [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:21:14 EST Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification In a message dated 20/01/05 19:52:42 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > ALL of the AC adapters we use are cUL, CSA, CE. I've shipped our products > to Canada (and other countries), Customs has never had a problem with them. Customs are seldom the problem. It is the nit-picking local inspector who is. You know, the one who goes around looking for breaches of what he conceives to be the letter of the rules. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050121103419.04111390 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:35:33 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:20 AM 1/21/2005, you wrote: >Remember, our definition of Low Voltage is different from a lot of the >electrical world. They see Low Voltage as less than 600 volts. We're >talking about Class 2 circuits, which can be high but are power-limited. Yes, I had meant "Extra Low Voltage" (less than 42.5VDC here, 30VDC there). But, I DID say "6VDC from a standard AC adapter" when I first called. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8e.1f2b527f.2f22a91c [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:51:08 EST Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) In a message dated 21/01/05 16:35:48 GMT Standard Time, mbanvard [at] earthlink.net writes: > In any towing that I have done with a vehicle, aside from using tow hooks > and hitches, I would use nothing less than a 3/4" shackle. The shock loads > are tremendous when towing, and it would not occur to me that a Carabiner > would survive a trip. Remember that the tow-line itself is a triple plait of nylon webbing, about 20' long. This takes care of the shock load. But it does need careful drivers at both ends. As a principle, the tow line should never be slack. The tow vehicle provides all the go, and the towed vehicle all the stop. Anticipation is the name of the game. This principle will even get you home with no brakes: you tow a perfectly serviceable vehicle, with brakes. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F14FEC.6080107 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:54:36 -0800 From: mo Subject: Re: Metamorphoses pool Look into spa packs. Self-contained, easy to hook up, pump, heater, controller, sometimes filter included. If you don't want new, check with spa companies for used equipment. You'll be able to circulate and maintain a comfortable temperature. They typically run ~$500. Here's a sample link, but googling up 'spa pack' will get you all kinds of links. http://www.spas2order.com/ssl/eOrders/parts/index.asp And chemical-wise, treat this like a spa. floating bromine dispensers, etc. just be very light-handed with chemicals to avoid ruining costumes and stinking up the joint. Best of luck, Michael Millar ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:23:45 EST Subject: Re: Canada power safety requirements clarification In a message dated 21/01/05 18:21:35 GMT Standard Time, mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes: > Remember, our definition of Low Voltage is different from a lot of the > electrical world. They see Low Voltage as less than 600 volts. We're > talking about Class 2 circuits, which can be high but are power-limited. The UK has, predictably, the classifications 'Extra low voltage, < 60v DC and 30V Ac; Low Voltage, < 600V ac; medium voltage and high voltage. Extra low voltage is deemed to pose no shock hazard. Hence 110V power tools, fed from a trasformer with the secondary centre-tap grounded. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1B09294B-6BE8-11D9-B3F9-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:07:41 -0700 My goodness, I agree with Frank. I DID use the wrong term. My bad, sorry about your piano. :-( Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:59 AM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 20/01/05 15:44:24 GMT Standard Time, > marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > >> The important >> thing is to make sure that the contact points have a direct line of >> compression to the soundboard. Otherwise you need more than a tuner >> to >> make it sound good. > > I don't think you really mean that. The soundboard is thin, fragile, > and > flexible. What you probably mean is the cast iron frame, which is the > heavy bit. > This is usually securely attached to the case. Avoid twisting stresses > like the > plague. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008801c4fffa$7cb17cd0$a901a8c0 [at] Rattys> From: "Josh Ratty" References: Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:47:54 -0500 Another good idea is to throw a jacket or blanket or something similiar over the tow line, that way if the line or biner breaks the chances of it whipping around are reduced, and you'll be less likely to die. Good things all around i think. Josh Ratty > All well and good. but do yourself a favor. Don't stand in line when you > do that tow thing. I've watched biners fail in the past and they turn into > very deadly projectiles. I'm sure your emt buddies would find it amusing to > see you with a biner sticking out of your forehead, but I bet you wouldn't. > > Just a thought. > Bill S. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:45:00 -0500 >Another good idea is to throw a jacket or blanket or something similiar >over >the tow line, that way if the line or biner breaks the chances of it >whipping around are reduced, and you'll be less likely to die. Good things >all around i think. This comment reminds me of that photo of the barefoot man on the aluminum laddder in the swimming pool using a corded electric drill. Wearing safety goggles will make the situation somewhat safer, but not a lot. If you know that the carabiner is not the proper hardware to use and it is likely to fail, instead of trying to minimize the severity of the inpending accident, try to prevent it in the first place by using the correct piece of hardware. Bill is right, carabiners have a purpose but this is not one of them; and if you use them for towing a vehicle, you are asking for an accident. You might get away with it for a while, but if you know that it is dangerous why do it? Nylon has a LOT of stretch and when the carabiner breaks the nylon will act like a rubber band. A jacket of blanket might help, but using a shackle would be a far better idea. I have two halves of a carabiner to prove that they do break, and at a much lower load force that you would ever expect. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F1782A.5080600 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:46:18 -0500 From: Barney Simon Subject: Looking for a European Cotton Fabric.... or even a USA equal... My good friends at Gerriets have a product called Decomolton. They are asking +/- US$12. My client's client says that they pay +/-US$5 in France. Now I know that by the time it travels, Euro to Dollar exchange, and Customs, etc. US$5 is unreasonable to expect, but we know how clients can be :). The fabric is 300cm (118") wide, 100% cotton, brushed on one (or two sides) (like duvetyne), 165g/ sq m (I think about half the weight of duve). FR... almost an interlining feel. They are making seamless trade show walls (10' x 10') and do not want muslin (and that would be US$10.75 looking at my other good friends at Rose Brand's price list). Does anyone have any suggestions? I'll need about 350 yards. Thanks Barney JC Hansen Co ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" Can you post a picture? >=20 > I have two halves of a carabiner to prove that they do break,=20 > and at a much=20 > lower load force that you would ever expect. >=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F189D8.7090507 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:01:44 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: . This principle will > even get you home with no brakes: you tow a perfectly serviceable vehicle, with > brakes. What do you do when the light halfway up the hill goes red? Obviously Frank lives in a flat part of England. Stuart ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Sunil Rajan Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:03:51 -0500 On Jan 21, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > Let's change that to "FIRST, CALL YOUR TUNER". > > Your tuner will know how to do all this stuff, > and can render *qualified* advice as to whether > it's practical to do this yourself. > > =================== > Then Marko said > "The important > thing is to make sure that the contact points have a direct line of > compression to the soundboard. " > > Sorry Mark, but that's a NO NO NO. > > DO NOT ALLOW ANY WEIGHT TO BE BORNE BY THE SOUNDBOARD To come out of lurking a bit... Have you ever watched the Steinway crew (or any other piano manufacturer) move a Grand? Quite amazing actually, and somewhat brutal (you need a mallet to wack the wood blocks out of the legs and lyre... most pianos don't have hardware for the legs (unless the leg mounts are keyed, they still need a wood block for tension)! One of the theatres I used to work at had to do a FAST turnaround from chamber music to our show, and the second the show came down, we were out there pounding legs, and dumping the whole thing over on it's side (low end down!). We used to love the open mouth gapes of the audience who were mortified at what we were doing! And yes, Never NEVER do ANYTHING that would damage the soundboard!! That IS your piano! BTW, if you're bent on doing it yourself, contact a local piano mover for the padded skid that the piano rides on, it'll make your job SO much easier, and won't damage the piano! Some of them even have forklift points. Cheers, Sunil Rajan Freelance Audio Mercenary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:07:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Wait..wasn't it Frank who told us the whole world was flat? Oh waitaminnit...no that was one of his contemporaries. (running) (someone tell me when I'm far enough away) (still running) -H On 1/21/05 18:01, "Stuart Wheaton" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > . This principle will >> even get you home with no brakes: you tow a perfectly serviceable vehicle, >> with >> brakes. > > What do you do when the light halfway up the hill goes red? > > Obviously Frank lives in a flat part of England. > > > Stuart > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:08:38 -0500 Sure, I will dig it out and take a photo. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) > >Can you post a picture? > > > > I have two halves of a carabiner to prove that they do break, > > and at a much > > lower load force that you would ever expect. > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f5.45e0569.2f22edc4 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:44:04 EST Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) In a message dated 21/01/05 21:46:06 GMT Standard Time, flyingfx [at] hotmail.com writes: > Bill is right, carabiners have a purpose but this is not one of them; and if > you use them for towing a vehicle, you are asking for an accident. You > might get away with it for a while, but if you know that it is dangerous why > > do it? Nylon has a LOT of stretch and when the carabiner breaks the nylon > will act like a rubber band. A jacket of blanket might help, but using a > shackle would be a far better idea. If, of course, it has not been misused. Nylon line or webbing is very useful in taking out the shock loads, as is an imtelligent driver of the towed vehicle, and also of the tow car. I have been towed, in England, where the traffic is much denser, for about a thousand miles, at various times. The only time we ever ran into problems was when we used a wire. This doesn't like shock loads. But, both drivers need to know what they are doing. I am talking about proper Karabiners. 1/2" diameter high tensile steel, if not 3/8" Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9d.57aae9ba.2f22ee8c [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:47:24 EST Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) In a message dated 21/01/05 22:55:41 GMT Standard Time, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net writes: > . This principle will > > even get you home with no brakes: you tow a perfectly serviceable vehicle, > with > > brakes. > > What do you do when the light halfway up the hill goes red? Anticipation. The towed car applies its brakes, so as to bring the tow car to a stop at the stop line. The tow car driver just lifts off. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FFEC [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: ladders and lifts - general practice Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:08:01 -0800 And this from someone who smokes and walks barefoot in a construction site? >From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com >Subject: Re: ladders and Lifts general practice >In a message dated 19/01/05 13:43:29 GMT Standard Time, >jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com writes: >> I very recently did a show at a small rep theatre and watched the young TD, >> who was used to working ALONE, climb up on his 18' castered A-frame, wrap >> his legs around the top rung of the extension, and scoot around the theatre >> faster than you could say... well, use your imagination. >What is the betting that he makes old age? >Frank Wood Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Jason" References:

Subject: Re: forklifting a 9' grand piano Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:09:09 -0800 This is getting like a bunch little old ladies on how to fry a egg! get a pallet put a packing blanket on the pallet, put the fork lift with the pallet with the packing blanket under the piano and just take a lift of 1/5 inch on the bass side of the piano next to the legs where the keyboard is; then put another packing blanket over the top of the piano and use a ratchet strap to tie the piano to the pallet and pick it up and put it on the riser. Done. And It will need to be tuned as anytime you move a piano it needs tuning as it needs tuning as the temp changes in the building. Oh other thing about use a fork lift for this is that if the riser decides not to hold the weight of the piano it still supported by the fork lift. I can move a 9 footer by my self with a furniture dolly and a ratchet strap its all in technique and I am only 6' tall and a 150 pounds and very close to uncle Bill's age. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark O'Brien" > My goodness, I agree with Frank. I DID use the wrong term. > My bad, sorry about your piano. :-( > Mark O'Brien > Opera Technical Director > University of Arizona, School of Music > Tucson, AZ > 520/621-7025 > 520/591-1803 Mobile > > > On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:59 AM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > In a message dated 20/01/05 15:44:24 GMT Standard Time, > > marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > > > >> The important > >> thing is to make sure that the contact points have a direct line of > >> compression to the soundboard. Otherwise you need more than a tuner > >> to > >> make it sound good. > > > > I don't think you really mean that. The soundboard is thin, fragile, > > and > > flexible. What you probably mean is the cast iron frame, which is the > > heavy bit. > > This is usually securely attached to the case. Avoid twisting stresses > > like the > > plague. > > > > > > Frank Wood > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:19:49 EST Subject: Re: ladders and lifts - general practice In a message dated 22/01/05 00:09:01 GMT Standard Time, chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca writes: > And this from someone who smokes and walks barefoot in a construction site? Smoking is my choice. I should like to think that is was the choice of nobody else, but I am wrong. Ireland, much of the USA, and Italy are barred to me, Indeed, I shall have to consider very carefully where I visit. Let the heaalth maniacs consider what they are doing to their tourust industry. As for barefooting, I assure you that this makes you damn careful where you put your feet down. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008001c50020$5f48fee0$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: ladders and lifts - general practice Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:19:02 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: ladders and lifts - general practice > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 22/01/05 00:09:01 GMT Standard Time, > chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca writes: > > > And this from someone who smokes and walks barefoot in a construction site? > > Smoking is my choice. I should like to think that is was the choice of nobody > else, but I am wrong. Ireland, much of the USA, and Italy are barred to me, > Indeed, I shall have to consider very carefully where I visit. > > Let the heaalth maniacs consider what they are doing to their tourust > industry. > Crap, Frank! None of these countries are barred to you - if anything YOU bar yourself because you wish to be able to inflict the noxious fumes upon your fellow men! If you were to go, however, to any of the three I'm sure you'd find a place set aside for such antisocial pariahs as yourself. 8-)) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c50022$89fb19f0$8c6c1745 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References:

Subject: Re: ladders and lifts - general practice OT/smoking Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:34:38 -0600 Frank I would encourage you to come visit Wisconsin. While I don't smoke I do not mind that others do (with a few exceptions) because you folks helped paid for the CNC machine at my high school as well as a few other goodies. Wisconsin's cigarette tax is 77 cents per pack while that money is not earmarked for schools it doesn't hurt them. If your habit is what everyone makes it out to be I could get some new lights and cable out of the deal. Mike could you do that outside Rock ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5292C774-6C1C-11D9-8B04-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:21:28 -0800 On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > Sure, I will dig it out and take a photo. See the photo at: Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:24:49 -0800 Message-ID: <011101c50029$8cc0ec80$8d90fea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: I do recall at a major venue in this country where I found during one of my Risk assessments of the rigging, the entire rigging system was fastened with aluminum carabineers and all of them, ALL, were bent. Everywhere. Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Noah Price Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:21 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > Sure, I will dig it out and take a photo. See the photo at: Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20041217163912.01812598 [at] pop.west.cox.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20041217163912.01812598 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Add to the humor? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:23:59 -0800 While I'm posting pictures, I realized Chris Babbie sent me a photo to add to the gallery in December. Here it is! Chris wrote: > Hey, I did some work for a bud the other week, as he was under the gun > acting and head carping this show while trying to build something > else. He > took all of his tools to the deck, and left me to finish the shop work > with > whatever I had laying about. Well, as you know, hours got long and > carps > (me) got stupid. In on bored smoke break, I decided I wasn't going to > lose > track of what did what any more, and I'd quit looking for tools I > wasn't > going to find. Here are some pics of the results. Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:29:34 -0500 >Nylon line or webbing is very useful in taking out the shock loads, as is >an >imtelligent driver of the towed vehicle, and also of the tow car. True, nylon does stretch and absorb a lot of a shock, but an "intelligent driver" should not need to be towed. Everytime I needed to have my car towed was a result of some unintelligent act, either by me or another driver. >I am talking about proper Karabiners. 1/2" diameter high tensile steel, if >not 3/8" Most carabiners are made of aluminum, not high tensile steel, but thanks for clarifying what you meant. BTW, I sent Noah a photo of the broken aluminum carabiner. Hopefully, he will post it along with my note. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:39:12 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com (theatre sound) Subject: Guys and Dolls Music -- plea Hey all, I'm working on a high school production of Guys and Dolls. The musical director has become seriously ill and may not be available for show. Does anyone have the music for the show recorded that they might be willing to get to me? We have paid for all the rights and rented all of the musical scores, etc. I even tried contacting MTI to see if they had anything, but they weren't able to help me. -- Mat Goebel Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: Cleaning Plexi Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:35:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "You could but this would in no way would help. Get some plastic (Plexiglas) cleaner which should be available from your local hardware store (maybe) or your plastics dealer (certainly). Glass cleaner does not work so well on plastic either. Brand name: "Brillianize" works really well. Jonathan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00b601c5003d$1f1bd550$a901a8c0 [at] Rattys> From: "Josh Ratty" References: Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:44:45 -0500 I was not as clear as i thought i was. I am in no way advocating the use of climbing equipment for towing. I was simply giving advice for use when towing. It can be an extreme situation sometimes and even when using dedicated and proper towing gear things can and do break. Admitedly discussing techniques for towing vehicles and such is off topic here but that was where the conversation was going. Truthfully i beleive that retired climbing gear should not be left in any condition where it can be used to so much as hold your car keys. Take a hacksaw, blow torch, etc. to it or do some destructive testing. Try to remove and possibility of it ever being found by someone else and used to support any load. Happy climbing, towing, rigging, etc. Josh Ratty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delbert Hall" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Another good idea is to throw a jacket or blanket or something similiar > >over > >the tow line, that way if the line or biner breaks the chances of it > >whipping around are reduced, and you'll be less likely to die. Good things > >all around i think. > > This comment reminds me of that photo of the barefoot man on the aluminum > laddder in the swimming pool using a corded electric drill. Wearing safety > goggles will make the situation somewhat safer, but not a lot. > > If you know that the carabiner is not the proper hardware to use and it is > likely to fail, instead of trying to minimize the severity of the inpending > accident, try to prevent it in the first place by using the correct piece of > hardware. > > Bill is right, carabiners have a purpose but this is not one of them; and if > you use them for towing a vehicle, you are asking for an accident. You > might get away with it for a while, but if you know that it is dangerous why > do it? Nylon has a LOT of stretch and when the carabiner breaks the nylon > will act like a rubber band. A jacket of blanket might help, but using a > shackle would be a far better idea. > > I have two halves of a carabiner to prove that they do break, and at a much > lower load force that you would ever expect. > > -Delbert > > Delbert L. Hall > 423-773-HALL (4255) > > ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:57:28 EST Subject: Re: Re: ladders and lifts - general practice OT/smoking Cc: rockm [at] new.rr.com In a message dated 1/21/5 7:35:07 PM, rockm [at] new.rr.com wrote: <> And do it soon before we get the no-smoking referendum passed. K ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00de01c5003f$3b057440$a901a8c0 [at] Rattys> From: "Josh Ratty" References:

Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:00:01 -0500 Another issue with using climbing equipment, be it a rope or carabiner, is that an intelligent climber will retire it after a certain number of falls based partially on the type of and conditions surrounding the fall. Each fall further weakens the equipment. It may have held up to 24Kn on the first fall. I may be wrong here as it's been some time since i've purchased a piece of climbing equipment but i believe the numbers to be breaking strengths and not working load limits.You'll find many ropes are actually given a fall rating that will tell you how many falls it can take before it should be retired. I don't think i'd dream of trying to fall four times on a non-locking aluminum carabiner as the one in the photo. Just a few more reasons in an ever growing list of why climbing equipment really has no place in theatre. Josh Ratty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah Price" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Caribeners (was quick links) > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > > > Sure, I will dig it out and take a photo. > > See the photo at: > > > > Thanks, > > Noah > > -- > | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | > | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41F1E12E.3030208 [at] mninter.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:14:22 -0600 From: clindau Subject: Job posting in Minneapolis Hello everyone from a lurker on the list-- This house job has just opened up in Minneapolis. I don't know what the salary is. Contact info is in the announcement below. Cindy Lindau Local 13 Minneapolis (diggiing out from several inches of snow--winter has *finally* arrived) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Position: Head Electrician Department: Back of House Location: Orpheum Theatre Reports to: Chief Executive Officer RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES: The responsibilities of this position include the following: Fabrication of, maintenance, repair, placement, handling, lamping, setting, and any operation lighting instruments, follow spots, electrical effects, projection equipment (motion picture film excluded), water effects, any electrical devices used on stage or used in association with productions, the hookup and cabling of any of the above and any other electrical and electromechanical equipment or devices which interface with, operate, or control theatrical equipment; The above mentioned responsibilities shall also apply to any and all production lighting systems, camera/video equipment and architectural circuitry, dimmer racks, patch panel, relay panel, electrical raceways and lighting fixtures; For departmentalized situations, serves as lead worker for Assistant Electricians, Stage Electricians, Shop Electricians, Follow Spot Operators, Lighting Console Operators and Programmers and Multi-Media Electricians; Protects the Theatre from damage by others, including temporary employees or traveling crews. During Employer-scheduled theatre maintenance hours performs theatre maintenance including: coordination of the technical needs of future performances at the Theatre; maintenance of heating, cooling and electrical systems; care and maintenance of theatrical stage equipment; minor repairs to electrical and plumbing systems throughout the Theatre; bulb replacement with the Theatre (with the exceptions of the marquee); repair of the theatre seats, door hardware and the like; back-of-house painting and front-of-house touch up painting as directed by Employer; maintenance of sound and light equipment set up, running and restore for small meetings and lectures. Qualifications: The successful applicants for this position should possess 7 to 10 years of successful experience as a stagehand and/or technical theatre staff member with substantial experience in stage production lighting. Only apparently qualified individuals will be interviewed. How to apply: Interested person should submit a completed application on or before February 11, 2005 at 4:30p.m. to: Historic Theatre Group, Ltd. 805 Hennepin Avenue, Minneapolis, MN 55403 ATTN: HR Theatre or online at www.hennepintheatredistrict .com. Qualified women and persons of color are encouraged to apply for this position. This position is subject to the terms of a Collective Bargaining Agreement between Historic Theatre Group, Ltd. and IATSE Local No. 13. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <149.3d710f09.2f234be8 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:25:44 EST Subject: Re: Guys and Dolls Music -- plea Cc: mgoebel [at] gmail.com Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com You didn't mention where you are in the rehearsal process. If the orchestra already knows the score, just get someone else to conduct. The music is pretty straight forward, but you need someone who can follow the singers especially for "Sit Down You're Rockin the Boat" and "Adelaide's Lament". Contact your local college music department, musician's union, community choir director, or the like. Even if someone does have karaoke style tapes, that opens a whole new can of worms as far as getting permission to use that tape for the show. Better to find a real person. HTH Kristi R-C In a message dated 1/21/5 8:39:48 PM, mgoebel [at] gmail.com writes: <> ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3921C480-6C41-11D9-A6F3-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Dock Opinions Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:45:37 -0500 > dead center into the shop gives you rear projection opportunities. Either dead center for the above reason or actually in the wings so a "backdrop" or set is not in the way of "scene changes" Think it through what will most likely be coming through the door and when. Anywhere will work for some applications but others will be better for specific tasks. Wherever it does wind up, you'll determine a year or two down the road it should have been anywhere but where it is now. Good luck. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <10478675.1106380358394.JavaMail.root [at] fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:52:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Cc: alf [at] sauve.org (Alf Sauve) Subject: Re: Two-Scene Operation of Lighting Consoles Alf... Where in the circuit is the "hardwired twofer"? Our facility had 4 96 racks, but with only half of the 4th populated. We had a lot of doubled circuits in rack 2. Upon closer inspection it turned out that the "twofering" was at the dimmer--two wires landed on each load lug in the rack. Cost us about $200 in install wire and a couple people about 6-8 hours to beep out the wires, pull the doubled circuits out of rack 2, extend them, and land them in rack 4. We got the dimmer cards from an install system that was being replaced at another venue. Gained 46 dimmers for less than $700 in parts and labor. Don't know if your situation is similar, but maybe there's a way to "fix" the problem for low cost. HTH... --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Alf Sauve Sadly, I have 192 dimmers, but the architect didn't spec for but 110 circuits run! (And most of those are hardwired as twofers, to boot.) There are no extra circuits AND no money to run any extra. It's 500', from the rack to where the extra circuits are most needed! Currently, they won't spring for the 1000' of wire per circuit. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #268 *****************************