Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 19708903; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:00:30 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #307 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:00:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #307 1. PAUL RICHARDSON/QVC is out of the office. by PAUL_RICHARDSON [at] qvc.com 2. Re: Gerber Multitools (aim high) by Jason Tollefson 3. Re: Gerber Multitools (aim high) by Mike Brubaker 4. Re: cell phone on stage? by "mcc" 5. Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Shop Lighting Questions by Rich Lindsay 7. Re: Gerber Multitools by "John Penisten" 8. Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time by IAEG [at] aol.com 9. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by "Stephen E. Rees" 10. Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time by "Stephen E. Rees" 11. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by "Stephen E. Rees" 12. Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time by "Jon Ares" 13. Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time by Mike Brubaker 14. cell phone story by "David R. Krajec" 15. Re: cell phone story by "Tony" 16. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by "Jack Morones" 17. mini strip? by IAEG [at] aol.com 18. Re: Being Julia by "Karl G. Ruling" 19. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by Steve Larson 20. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" 21. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by Wood Chip-P26398 22. Re: mini strip? by Herrick Goldman 23. Re: cell phone on stage? by Wood Chip-P26398 24. Upstate New York Job Fair by Johan Godwaldt 25. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by "jknipple" 26. Re: Upstate New York Job Fair by "Stephen E. Rees" 27. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by "Jon Ares" 28. Old red curtains needed by Randy Susevich 29. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: mini strip? by "Michael Eddy" 31. Re: cell phone on stage? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: mini strip? by SB 33. Re: cell phone on stage? by "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" 34. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by SB 35. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: cell phone story morphing back to bad day at theatre by "Alf Sauve" 37. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 38. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by "Jon Ares" 39. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by Mike Voytko 40. Re: cell phone on stage? by Michael Feinberg 41. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by "richard j. archer" 42. Re: cell phone on stage? by "Jon Ares" 43. Re: cell phone on stage? by IAEG [at] aol.com 44. Re: cell phone on stage? by "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" 45. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 46. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by Steve Larson 47. Re: cell phone on stage? by Terry Price 48. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 49. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 50. Re: Bad Bad Electrician! by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 51. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 52. Re: Bad Bad Electrician! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 53. Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 54. Re: Gerber Multitools by MissWisc [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: PAUL RICHARDSON/QVC is out of the office. From: PAUL_RICHARDSON [at] qvc.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:51:03 -0500 I will be out of the office starting 02/23/2005 and will not return until 02/25/2005. In my absence, please contact Chuck Grill at 6908 to take care of your live show needs. Scheduling questions should be refered to Chuck Lester at 1546. I will respond to any other emails as soon as I return. Thanks-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050224121056.72931.qmail [at] web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 04:10:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: Gerber Multitools (aim high) In-Reply-To: If you ever want to complain to a company like this you can visit a great website: www.planetfeedback.com They have, in their database, contact info for CEOs and other bigwigs at most major corporations and if you ask for a company they don't have listed, they'll research the company for you and find someone high up to talk to. They also have a complaint wizard which can help you write the letter. And finally (and in my opinion, the best part) they add your letter to a public database in which anyone can search for and read your complaint. I've gotten amazing results from this site and it's completely free to use. In one instance my wife and I received over $100 from a well known Italian Restaurant chain because of a horrible waiter. On another note, before finding this site, I once started calling random people in a company to resolve a dispute. The customer service line for an electronics company totally sucked so I found a public phone number for their home offices in the phone book which rang into one of those "enter the first three letters of the person you wish to call" automated systems. I began entering common last names (Smith, Jones, Anderson etc) and asking whoever picked up if I could speak to the President. I eventually landed on the CEO's secretary and got my dispute resolved in two days. Power to the people, Jason Tollefson www.tollefsondesigns.com > I say aim high. > > Jim Purdin > President/CEO > Fiskars Brands, Inc. > 2537 Daniels St. > Madison, WI 53718 > > Phone: 608-259-1649 > Fax: 608-294-4790 > > Fiskars Brands "manages the operations for all of Fiskars consumer products > in the US and Europe. Product lines include cutting and kitchen tools > (Fiskars, Gerber, Montana, Kaimano, and Kitchen Devils), gardening tools > and supplies (Wilkenson Sword, Planterra, Ebert, and Syroco), and other > household products (Power Sentry and Newpoint). Fiskars Brands has acquired > the family-owned scissor and shear maker Gingher." (Hoovers.com) > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050224072415.04418600 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:26:52 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Gerber Multitools (aim high) In-Reply-To: References:

This information is available for any publicly-traded company, free of charge, at www.hoovers.com. There's a lot more information that you can't get without paying for a subscription, but the top three officers and the address and phone number of the corporate offices is right there.... Privately-held companies are a completely different beast altogether. Mike At 07:10 AM 2/24/2005, Jason Tollefson wrote: >They have, in their database, contact info for CEOs and other bigwigs at >most major corporations ------------------------------ From: "mcc" Cc: mcc [at] mcc-solutions.com (M. Christopher Cherry) Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:16:37 -0500 Message-ID: jknipple" We need to have a cell phone ring reliably on stage during a = performance. Any suggestions will be appreciated!" See if you have a hand with an old (or current) Nextel handset... pressing the "ring volume up" button on the side of the (closed) phone will cause it to ring when pressed, and if you remove the SIM card from under the battery, there is no chance for the phone to ring due to an actuall call. I have used this sucessfully for several productions... and occasionally to "politely" excuse myself, as I use a nextel phone! Hope this helps, and feel free to contact me with any questions as to mechanics! -Chris M. Christopher Cherry Owner/ Engineer MCC Solutions mcc [at] mcc-solutions.com No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:42:28 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time Message-id: <00e501c51a76$af2cd060$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Thanks for the information about Fiskars. I have emailed them seek a honorable and responsible resolution to this conflict. (Jeez... that sounded like a frickin' politician.) I'll keep the list informed about their response. I would like to try channels before asking Kristi to go to the CEO's house in the dark. Laters, Paul "We are not buying that house!" Tom said flatly. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Rich Lindsay Subject: Shop Lighting Questions Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:48:19 -0500 Folks I need a little input. After a decade of working in a hole ....We are getting a new shop....woot I do have a question about illumination. What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? If thats not available (expence etc) , What alternatives are there? What , if any, options have people thought would be good but turned out horrible? Thanks folks rich lindsay head platform legger university of michigan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <421DDF39.1090109 [at] fullcompass.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:05:45 -0600 From: "John Penisten" Subject: Re: Gerber Multitools References: In-Reply-To: Paul, I am in Madison, and regularly in that neighborhood. I would be more than happy to assist. I am sure my price is much more reasonable than Kristi's ;) Let me know if I can help, John In a message dated 2/23/5 11:10:57 AM, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: << Jim Purdin President/CEO Fiskars Brands, Inc. 2537 Daniels St. Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608-259-1649 Fax: 608-294-4790 >> I like how you think, Mike! We've got list members in Madison and for the right price, I'll make the trip in person. Kristi -- John Penisten Full Compass Systems Rental, Production, Design http://www.fullcompass.com Phone: 800-356-5844 Ext. 1355 Fax: 608-831-6330 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8c.21696385.2f4f3b19 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:13:45 EST Subject: Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time In a message dated 2/24/05 8:43:50 AM, paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net writes: << I would like to try channels before asking Kristi to go to the CEO's house in the dark. Laters, Paul >> aren't we just a bit too old (read; "mature") to be endorsing a good old fashioned T P 'ing ? keith ------------------------------ Message-ID: <421DE1E8.2060703 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:17:12 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions References: Morning, About ten years ago, the campus had recommended to it that the scene shop reduce the 28, 1000w fixtures in my 30' shop ceiling with HID lamps as a cost saving measure. I was resistant to this mostly as regards color temperature and CRI of the lamps they proposed. I had to argue with folks who should have known better about our needs but we finally compromised on a fixture that uses a General Electric MVR400/SP30/U HID lamp which operates at a color temp. of 3000K and a CRI of 70. It is NOT a perfect solution but both I and the campus people are OK with the compromise. The scene designers are only marginally irked. Disadvantages are slow start up and crappy hot-strike performance (read none) Ceiling height and coverage will affect actual light falling on work surfaces. We get about 65-70 fc on the table saw as an example. Lamp age affects this to a certain extent. HTH. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Rich Lindsay wrote: > I do have a question about illumination. > > What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? [snip] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <421DE409.2070709 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:26:17 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time References: Or almost as annoying, a bottle capping! Mostly rendered moot by the advent of the pop-top can. :( Steve IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > aren't we just a bit too old (read; "mature") to be endorsing a good old > fashioned T P 'ing ? > > keith ------------------------------ Message-ID: <421DE4AD.3090403 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:29:01 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions References: Note to Steve. Read your posts before hitting send. ;) "The campus recommended to US - Theatre Department." Also, the 28 orig. fixtures were replaced w/ 14 metal halide units. Sorry. Steve Stephen E. Rees wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Morning, > About ten years ago, the campus had recommended to it that the scene > shop reduce the 28, 1000w fixtures in my 30' shop ceiling with HID lamps > as a cost saving measure. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c51a80$0f01cf00$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:49:35 -0800 > I would like to try channels before asking Kristi to go to the CEO's house > in the dark. > > > aren't we just a bit too old (read; "mature") to be endorsing a good old > fashioned T P 'ing ? > I just had a flashback to National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, where the CEO of Griswold's company is kidnapped and wrapped in a big red bow. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050224095545.01d385a8 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:06:38 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Gerber Multitool... Hammer time In-Reply-To: References: Maybe...what about a good old fashioned gaff taping? Say, CEO to the wall, about 2 feet off the ground. Mike At 09:13 AM 2/24/2005, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: >aren't we just a bit too old (read; "mature") to be endorsing a good old >fashioned T P 'ing ? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: cell phone story Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:24:24 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK, so a woman of propriety is at a live show. The pre-show annoucement asks people to turn off their cell phones. Mid-way through the production, wouldn't you know it, a cell phone goes off. The woman, in a fit of pique, stands up and chastises the audience for being rude and interupting the show. At which point, the actor on stage sheepishly states, "Uh, it's mine. It's part of the show!" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <020a01c51a86$c1eaaf50$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu References: Subject: Re: cell phone story Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:37:27 -0000 I recall an incident some years ago where the husband of one of the leads was sitting at the back of the auditorium, having crept in late and grabbed a spare seat. He was happily watching the show when his cellphone started ringing. His wife, not realising he'd arrived, had called him up to see how long he was going to be!! He moved out of the theatre rather smartish!! 8-))) TD ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Krajec" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: cell phone story > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, so a woman of propriety is at a live show. The pre-show annoucement > asks people to turn off their cell phones. > Mid-way through the production, wouldn't you know it, a cell phone goes off. > The woman, in a fit of pique, stands up and chastises the audience for being > rude and interupting the show. > At which point, the actor on stage sheepishly states, "Uh, it's mine. It's > part of the show!" > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Jack Morones" Subject: RE: Shop Lighting Questions Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:23:36 -0800 Organization: Saddleback College Message-ID: <001101c51a8d$30d82630$6500a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT> In-Reply-To: We have Fluorescent. Really terrible. In other shops I've worked in the past, they have used mercury-vapor floods. These take time to power up but have much better light for construction. For a paint area, be sure you have the ability to light it with stage fixtures (most places use strip lights). Congrats and good luck. -Jack Jack R. Morones Production Manager McKinney Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rich Lindsay Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:48 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Shop Lighting Questions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Folks I need a little input. After a decade of working in a hole ....We are getting a new shop....woot I do have a question about illumination. What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? If thats not available (expence etc) , What alternatives are there? What , if any, options have people thought would be good but turned out horrible? Thanks folks rich lindsay head platform legger university of michigan ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.37fdfe48.2f4f5a6d [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:27:25 EST Subject: mini strip? Can anyone give me a source for MR 16 / Mini Strip in short lengths? Like 3 - 4 ' ? off list response is probably preferred, , very best, Keith Arsenault iaeg [at] aol.com IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:30:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Being Julia Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <421DBAF2.25442.8BB88E [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > > One minor scene caught my attention and raised my curiosity. In > the > opening scene - after she delivers the final line of the play - the > actors freeze in a tableau with a lighting change. They hold the pose > as the house lights come up, and THEN the curtain falls. > Think about how the scene would appear if the curtain and lights sequence was the normal way. The point of the shot is to show the audience response. (Yeah, we see how her performance changes with her love-life, but that is a beat before the curtain drops or lights come up.) So, normally we would have curtain down, and the screen would go black or maybe we'd have the front lights hitting the curtain, then we'd hear applause, and then we'd see who is applauding as the house lights came up. The way they shot it, we saw the audience right away, and we never had the relatively uninteresting view of a black or blotchily lit act curtain. The audience response was the point, not the accurate recreation of theatrical practices. BTW, they did a good job with the period accuracy of the luminaires-- not that it matters much. If you see Cotton Club, they show some ellipsoidal reflector spots that hadn't been invented yet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:41:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I have a small shop lit by 9 fluorescent units each with 4 four-foot tubes. During a recent renovation they replaced the nine units with nine new units with smaller diameter, but significantly brighter units. The amount of light nearly doubled. I was amazed. Unfortunately, I now have to stock two different supplies of tubes. The rest of the building has the older, thicker tubes. The new tubes are "Phillips universal/high vision". Steve > From: "Jack Morones" > Organization: Saddleback College > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:23:36 -0800 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We have Fluorescent. Really terrible. > > In other shops I've worked in the past, they have used mercury-vapor > floods. These take time to power up but have much better light for > construction. > > For a paint area, be sure you have the ability to light it with stage > fixtures (most places use strip lights). > > Congrats and good luck. > > -Jack > > > Jack R. Morones > Production Manager > McKinney Theatre > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rich > Lindsay > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:48 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Shop Lighting Questions > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks I need a little input. After a decade of working in a hole ....We > are getting a new shop....woot > > I do have a question about illumination. > > What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? > > If thats not available (expence etc) , What alternatives are there? > > What , if any, options have people thought would be good but turned out > horrible? > > Thanks folks > > rich lindsay > head platform legger > university of michigan > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: Shop Lighting Questions Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:47:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050224164754.XFQ1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> I run a manufacturing shop, so my needs are a little different. But I'm still picky about light. We have a fairly high density of fluorescents with kitchen/bath bulbs installed (also with plastic sleaves for safety). It feels pretty good and colors look great... Though I understand that fluorescent lamps have spikes in the spectrum that could be bad for your application. Don't HIDs suffer from this as well? Jim www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B0315985B [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:52:13 -0700 Am I getting the consensus that if I were to spec a brand new facility (non-academic) the choice should be pin plugs rather than twist locks. I thought that the ease of untimely disconnection, looseness of the pins in sockets, and dust and crap getting into the sockets (esp floor pockets) would have the group leaning toward twist-locks. Is it merely that they have been around longer and have become a de facto standard? Chip Wood - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:54:29 -0500 Subject: Re: mini strip? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Try Ken Romaine at TMB ken [at] tmb.com the micro strips probably come in those lengths. On 2/24/05 11:27 AM, "IAEG [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Can anyone give me a source for MR 16 / Mini Strip in short lengths? > > Like 3 - 4 ' ? > > off list response is probably preferred, , > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > iaeg [at] aol.com > > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B03159878 [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: cell phone on stage? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:00:44 -0700 Even cheaper- go to your local $.99 store and buy a toy cell phone. They look good from 2 ft away and have the tone built in. Buy two and have someone push it as close as possible to the actor. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Litterst Go to Best Buy. Browse the cordless phone section for something that looks like a cell phone. There are a few, even a couple of flip models. You can use the "page" feature on the base to make it ring, or plug it into a Tele-Q if you have one around. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3c51189d8ab3b17a5e3ba23532a2c076 [at] oswego.edu> From: Johan Godwaldt Subject: Upstate New York Job Fair Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:05:16 -0500 This is a reminder to people living in upstate New York area. On Saturday Feb. 26 there will be a job fair for theatre technicians. It will start at 12 noon and go until 4pm. Some of the companies that will be represented will be Glimmerglass Opera, Hangar Theatre, Geva Theatre, Syracuse Stage, Cortland Rep., Downstairs Cabaret, Capital Rep. All participants will receive a discount for Saturday's evening performance of SUNY Oswego's production of Big, the musical. Johan Godwaldt Technical Director SUNY Oswego Theatre 47 Tyler Hall Ph# 315 312 2987 Fax 315 312 3394 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "jknipple" We are getting a new facility here, and when that happens, we're completely switching to stage pin from twist lock. Properly maintained, stage pin holds together just fine. We've found that twist locks can offer a false sense of security if they aren't connected twisted correctly (which happens here at the community college). Also, there are about a bazillion styles of twist lock connectors, and it seems like once a show that the master electrician comes to me with a connector he found that doesn't match what we've got. If you have to order more connectors, you have to know what kind to ask for, and then the person filling your order has to get it right. Usually it works fine, but we had a time when it didn't, and we had the wrong connectors. It's hard to screw up ordering stage pin connectors. They're all the same. We're actually in a crazy situation here where our proscenium space is twist lock, but our black box is stage pin.=20 James Knipple =20 Technical Director REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College=20 - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts jknipple [at] howardcc.edu 410-772-4451 Am I getting the consensus that if I were to spec a brand new facility (non-academic) the choice should be pin plugs rather than twist locks. I thought that the ease of untimely disconnection, looseness of the pins in sockets, and dust and crap getting into the sockets (esp floor pockets) would have the group leaning toward twist-locks. Is it merely that they have been around longer and have become a de facto standard? Chip Wood=20 - ------------------------------ Message-ID: <421E0E74.2050905 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:27:16 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Upstate New York Job Fair References: Johan, Thanks for hosting this. None of our students are going to be able to come due to production responibilities unfortunately. It is a great idea. Best, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Johan Godwaldt wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This is a reminder to people living in upstate New York area. > > On Saturday Feb. 26 there will be a job fair for theatre technicians. It > will start at 12 noon and go until 4pm. Some of the companies that will > be represented will be Glimmerglass Opera, Hangar Theatre, Geva Theatre, > Syracuse Stage, Cortland Rep., Downstairs Cabaret, Capital Rep. All > participants will receive a discount for Saturday's evening performance > of SUNY Oswego's production of Big, the musical. > > Johan Godwaldt > Technical Director > SUNY Oswego Theatre > 47 Tyler Hall > Ph# 315 312 2987 > Fax 315 312 3394 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c51a99$49f9e700$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:50:12 -0800 > We are getting a new facility here, and when that happens, we're > completely switching to stage pin from twist lock. Properly maintained, > stage pin holds together just fine. We too are going with all stage pin in our two new spaces... we've already sent all our 'good' cable and fixtures (that we're keeping) to a vendor for swapping out TLs to GSP. (We had money for the upgrade - I don't have time, nor desire, to do the rewiring myself). -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:57:17 -0600 Subject: Old red curtains needed From: Randy Susevich Message-ID: I am looking for a pair of old burgandy/maroon (red but not bright red), preferably velour, stage draperies for use in an upcoming production. Stains, sun-bleaching, etc. is good in the drapes. Need a pair of drapes that are 20=B9x20=B9 some fullness preferred. Have some you need to get rid of? Contact me off the list by email or phone. Thanks, =20 Randy Susevich Adjunct Asst. Professor of Theatre Arts; Technical Director/Lighting Designer Coe College Theatre Department 1220 First Ave NE Cedar Rapids, IA 52402 Office: 319.399.8484 Fax: 319.399.8557 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <84.3fe95b0b.2f4f6faf [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:58:07 EST Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! In a message dated 23/02/05 23:46:28 GMT Standard Time, IAEG [at] aol.com writes: > come on Frank, , > > pretty soon you're going to be telling us Iran has no desire to possess > nuclear weapons, > > truth is, in this day and age no country can claim to be the most > technologically advanced country in the world, information and technology > exchanges > around the world and through international companies too quickly, there is > no > technological leader. > > the King is Dead, Long Live the King When I wrote what I wrote, I was thinking of your electrical systems. They seem to have changed little in my lifetime (65 years). Ours have. The house in which I was born had four power sockets, one in the sitting room, two in the dining room, and one in an upstairs corridor. The house in which I live now, a good deal smaller, has ten in the kitchen alone, and another two dozen or more in other rooms. Each appliance connector has its own fuse, rated to protect the cable as well as the appliance, with larger fuses or breakers protecting the distribution wiring. Two-pin plugs are a thing of the past, as are split pin plugs. As for Iran and nuclear bombs, I can't see why they would want one. Where could they use such a thing, without suffering massive retribution? Really, neither should anyone else have them, but they are around, and we have to live with the world as it is. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Michael Eddy" Cc: IAEG [at] aol.com Subject: RE: mini strip? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:59:27 -0500 Keith, Altman's (www.altmanltg.com) Zip Strip, which uses MR16 lamps is available in a one circuit at 2'-2", a two circuit unit at 3'-4" (as well as three circ at 6'-4", and four circ at 8'-5") This unit uses 20W, 42W, 50, 65W, and 75W MR16 lamps. Altman also has a Micro Strip using MR11 lamps, which is available in one circuits (10 lamps) at 1'-8", two circuits (20 lamps) at 3'-4", or three color circuits (30 lamps) at 5'-0". This unit uses 20 or 35W MR11 lamps. Lighting & ELectronics (L&E) www.le-us.com also makes an MR16 Ministrip. They also have a PAR16 strip that comes in at 36" for a nine lamp version and 47" for a 12 lamp version. It uses 60 and 75W PAR 16 or 35 and 50W PAR 20 lamps. I have used both ALtman units and the L&E Ministrip. All are very good units. I hope this helps. Michael Eddy >Can anyone give me a source for MR 16 / Mini Strip in short lengths? > >Like 3 - 4 ' ? > >off list response is probably preferred, , > >very best, > >Keith Arsenault >iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.31d06adb.2f4f7035 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:00:21 EST Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? In a message dated 24/02/05 00:51:15 GMT Standard Time, jknipple [at] howardcc.edu writes: > We need to have a cell phone ring reliably on stage during a performance. I > am worried that a regular cell phone might be called during the performance > at an inopportune time, and it will live in actor's pocket so there's no way > it can be wired into the sound board. Any suggestions will be appreciated! Buy one on the show budget, and don't tell anyone the number, apart from the SM. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:02:34 -0500 From: SB Subject: Re: mini strip? Message-id: <002301c51a9b$049e8d80$6701a8c0 [at] lighting> References: http://www.le-us.com/borderlights.html Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: mini strip? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Can anyone give me a source for MR 16 / Mini Strip in short lengths? > > Like 3 - 4 ' ? > > off list response is probably preferred, , > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > iaeg [at] aol.com > > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: cell phone on stage? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:06:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050224180607.LAHL1919.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> This is all crazy talk! I get wrong numbers on my cellphone quite frequently -- people mis-dial. It would be great if the phone system used a checksum digit, so misdialing generally wouldn't work... But they don't. Service providers like to call their customers to offer new features -- voice-mail, call display, roaming plans, etc., and these calls can come during the day or evening. Don't use a real phone on stage. Even a brand new phone could ring at any time. Meanwhile, it might NOT ring when you want it to! Jim www.theatrewireless.com > Buy one on the show budget, and don't tell anyone the number, > apart from the SM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:14:07 -0500 From: SB Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Message-id: <004901c51a9c$a1a48020$6701a8c0 [at] lighting> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wood Chip-P26398" > Am I getting the consensus that if I were to spec a brand new facility > (non-academic) the choice should be pin plugs rather than twist locks. > > I thought that the ease of untimely disconnection, looseness of the pins > in sockets, and dust and crap getting into the sockets (esp floor pockets) > would have the group leaning toward twist-locks. Is it merely that they > have been around longer and have become a de facto standard? Yes, that's the consensus. 2P&G stage pin's have a number of benefits: 1) Pretty much a complete compatability with rental stock and touring events. 2) They pull thru massed messes of cable easier then twistloks 3) They are repairable in terms of pin replacement and servicable in terms of pin splitting. 4) They are somewhat easier to wire up, no need to figure out the male/female end of the cable. 5) They can be readily made into two-fers, where the strain relief on twistloks tend to be designed only for a single piece of SJ and or SO 6) They are cheaper. 20 amp 2P&G are usually under $5 ea. Twistloks can run as high as $12 for a male and $20 for a female, especially in the older Tit out style. 7) Pretty much a complete compatability with rental stock and touring events. I know I said this, but it's the single most important issue as it keeps you from wasting money and time building adapters. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9a.20e3ae57.2f4f7385 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:14:29 EST Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions In a message dated 24/02/05 13:49:40 GMT Standard Time, rlindsay [at] umich.edu writes: > I do have a question about illumination. > > What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? Tungsten, preferably at the same colour temperature as the stage lighting. It's expensive to run, but it's the only light source you should use for painting. All discharge lamps have lumps and bumps in their spectral output. When you're in scene shop mode, high pressure mercury vapour is efficient, as are many others. All you want to do is to see what you are doing. But painting is different. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <037601c51a9c$c8f559b0$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: cell phone story morphing back to bad day at theatre Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:59:01 -0500 A show I did started by having an actor, dressed like a UPS delivery driver, deliver a package to another actor on stage. Blocking called for the "UPS driver" to enter through the house. Opening night, long delay before "UPS driver" enters. Seems like the ushers were physically restraining him in the lobby to keep him from interrupting the show! Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: "Stagecraft" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: cell phone story > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I recall an incident some years ago where the husband of one of the leads > was sitting at the back of the auditorium, having crept in late and > grabbed > a spare seat. He was happily watching the show when his cellphone started > ringing. > > His wife, not realising he'd arrived, had called him up to see how long he > was going to be!! > > He moved out of the theatre rather smartish!! > > 8-))) > > TD > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <156.4b748883.2f4f772c [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:30:04 EST Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! In a message dated 24/02/05 16:53:30 GMT Standard Time, Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com writes: > Am I getting the consensus that if I were to spec a brand new facility (non- > academic) the choice should be pin plugs rather than twist locks. > > I thought that the ease of untimely disconnection, looseness of the pins in > sockets, and dust and crap getting into the sockets (esp floor pockets) would > have the group leaning toward twist-locks. Is it merely that they have been > around longer and have become a de facto standard? I hope so. In 50 years of playing with stage lighting, I've never had a problem with pin plugs.That may be because UK plugs apply any strain perpendicular to the pins. CEE connectors have a latch on the shells. Using the connections themselve as the strain anchor does not seem sensible, to me. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c51aa0$d0579f20$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:44:04 -0800 > As for Iran and nuclear bombs, I can't see why they would want one. Where > could they use such a thing, without suffering massive retribution? It's like having a swimming pool - it's so you can say, "I have a swimming pool," not because you swim a lot. (Pretty much like the reason so many soccer moms have enormous SUVs - they will NEVER see any off-roading, but they have to have them anyway.) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <307d9a84ec6d5df7fed7d12a6a3a19c3 [at] nyu.edu> From: Mike Voytko Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:01:39 -0500 Rich, Congrats on the new shop! As an alternative to HID fixtures, Check out Sportlite's line of high-bay fixtures, which use multiple (4, 6, or 8) 42-watt compact fluorescent lamps per unit. They have a few advantages over HIDs--rapid start, quick warmup, more energy efficient, etc. Not a direct match for 3200 K tungsten halogen of course, but the quality of light is excellent overall (84 CRI at either 3000 or 3500K). We have nine LX600 fixtures over our mainstage (20' height) as work light, and have been very happy with them. We do most of our building and painting on stage; no complaints from designers, scenics or carpenters. For details check out http://www.sportlite.com. HTH, Mike V. -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:26:34 -0500 From: Michael Feinberg Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? >The LAST thing you want to do is try to get a real cell to ring on cue. >Even if it's a dedicated pay-as-you-go as previously suggested. It will >not cue reliably, because you're going through your local network to >whatever networks are between you and the cell provider, the cell >provider's internal network, the cell tower, and then to the phone. And >when the phone rings also depends on where in its cycle it is, as phones >(at least CDMA phones, anyway, I assume other protocols are similar) are >not in contact with the tower continuously--this is why every once in a >while you'll get a missed call when the phone never rang). And what if >the cell network is busy? It's annoying on a phone call in real life; >when it's a cue in a show, disaster. So I was watching TV last night and I was wondering if anyone knows what the standard for this is in TV production. The CSIs, Law and Orders, and pretty much every other television show out there these days use cell phones constantly. On Alias last night they had a group of actor's phones ring simultaneously all with different ring tones. (Alias at one point was doing prominent Nokia product placement.) Do they have special dummy unit made? Their own micro cell? Any ideas what gets done when money is no object? Or do they use one of the many options discussed so far on this list? -- -Michael Feinberg, CTS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:28:36 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions >Rich Lindsay wrote: > >>I do have a question about illumination. >> >>What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? [snip] Steve Rees replied >........replace the 28, 1000w fixtures in my 30' shop ceiling with >HID lamps as a cost saving measure........ fixture that uses a >General Electric MVR400/SP30/U HID lamp which operates at a color >temp. of 3000K and a CRI of 70. ... We have these in the low bay section of the shop (14' with 250w lamps) and the high bay (27' with 400w lamps). The SP30 bulb is getting impossible to find. Color is okay but not wonderful. If you are looking at new equipment try the new T5 High bay linear fluorescent. They're brighter, better CRI, have different color temps available, use less electricity, use less mercury in the lamp, and will restart.. Need a bay over 15' high or the glare will kill you. If you are replacing something else, figure out the payback period. You'll probably need 6 to ten years if you were replacing a metal halide system like Steve described. Dick A TD, Cornell Univ > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c51aa7$41afd470$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:30:11 -0800 > So I was watching TV last night and I was wondering if anyone knows what > the standard for this is in TV production. The CSIs, Law and Orders, and > pretty much every other television show out there these days use cell > phones constantly. On Alias last night they had a group of actor's phones > ring simultaneously all with different ring tones. It's quite possible the rings are added in post production. On films and TV shows I've been on/in or edited, they were always added later. They appeared to ring using a device called "acting." :) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.375aca9e.2f4f853d [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:30:05 EST Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? In a message dated 2/24/05 2:28:11 PM, michaelf [at] joyce.eng.yale.edu writes: << So I was watching TV last night and I was wondering if anyone knows what the standard for this is in TV production. The CSIs, Law and Orders, and pretty much every other television show out there these days use cell phones constantly. On Alias last night they had a group of actor's phones ring simultaneously all with different ring tones. (Alias at one point was doing prominent Nokia product placement.) Do they have special dummy unit made? Their own micro cell? Any ideas what gets done when money is no object? Or do they use one of the many options discussed so far on this list? >> how about they do nothing ? it's film, , they loop the ring tone in after the fact, unless in the Master shot you can see the phone light up as it rings, then that would be a different story I guess. very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: cell phone on stage? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:32:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050224193301.DQT1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> Audio is in post and timing isn't critical -- they just do another take if it doesn't work out. Jim www.theatrewireless.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of Michael Feinberg > Sent: February 24, 2005 2:27 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > >The LAST thing you want to do is try to get a real cell to > ring on cue. > >Even if it's a dedicated pay-as-you-go as previously > suggested. It will > >not cue reliably, because you're going through your local network to > >whatever networks are between you and the cell provider, the cell > >provider's internal network, the cell tower, and then to the > phone. And > >when the phone rings also depends on where in its cycle it is, as > >phones (at least CDMA phones, anyway, I assume other protocols are > >similar) are not in contact with the tower continuously--this is why > >every once in a while you'll get a missed call when the phone never > >rang). And what if the cell network is busy? It's annoying > on a phone > >call in real life; when it's a cue in a show, disaster. > > So I was watching TV last night and I was wondering if anyone > knows what the standard for this is in TV production. The > CSIs, Law and Orders, and pretty much every other television > show out there these days use cell phones constantly. On > Alias last night they had a group of actor's phones ring > simultaneously all with different ring tones. (Alias at one > point was doing prominent Nokia product > placement.) Do they have special dummy unit made? Their own > micro cell? Any ideas what gets done when money is no > object? Or do they use one of the many options discussed so > far on this list? > > -- > -Michael Feinberg, CTS > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Shop Lighting Questions Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:34:28 -0500 In our new shop we went with color corrected fluorescents and they have worked out quite well. One of our set designers and I went to a number of different companies and electric supply houses with various color samples and looked at them under a lot of different lighting and found a very satisfactory solution. This is also the bulb that we use in the design studios and the design offices. In the shop there are about 150 double 6' lamp fixtures and I think the designation is F032/830 (they are 3000K). Over the paint area we have additional 90+ can lights with incandescent lamps (250KR38FL). Actually, we seldom turn on the can lights. This gives us the best of both worlds. And it is nice and bright in here. I originally speced 100fc at the floor and they came pretty close. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: Rich Lindsay [mailto:rlindsay [at] umich.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:48 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Shop Lighting Questions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Folks I need a little input. After a decade of working in a hole ....We are getting a new shop....woot I do have a question about illumination. What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? If thats not available (expence etc) , What alternatives are there? What , if any, options have people thought would be good but turned out horrible? Thanks folks rich lindsay head platform legger university of michigan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:09:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I was intrigued to climb a ladder to check out my tubes (fluorescent). They are Phillips 32watt, T-8, ALTO low mercury technology. I went to the web and found out that they are 3500K Neutral White color. steve > From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:34:28 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In our new shop we went with color corrected fluorescents and they have > worked out quite well. One of our set designers and I went to a number of > different companies and electric supply houses with various color samples > and looked at them under a lot of different lighting and found a very > satisfactory solution. This is also the bulb that we use in the design > studios and the design offices. In the shop there are about 150 double 6' > lamp fixtures and I think the designation is F032/830 (they are 3000K). > Over the paint area we have additional 90+ can lights with incandescent > lamps (250KR38FL). Actually, we seldom turn on the can lights. This gives > us the best of both worlds. And it is nice and bright in here. I > originally speced 100fc at the floor and they came pretty close. > > Steve Waxler > Technical Director > College Conservatory of Music > University of Cincinnati > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Lindsay [mailto:rlindsay [at] umich.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:48 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Shop Lighting Questions > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks I need a little input. After a decade of working in a hole ....We > are getting a new shop....woot > > I do have a question about illumination. > > What lighting is best suited for a scene/paint shop? > > If thats not available (expence etc) , What alternatives are there? > > What , if any, options have people thought would be good but turned out > horrible? > > Thanks folks > > rich lindsay > head platform legger > university of michigan > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:35:03 -0600 Subject: Re: cell phone on stage? From: Terry Price Message-ID: In-Reply-To: UmU6IGNlbGwgcGhvbmUgb24gc3RhZ2U/CgoqKioKPiAgT3VyIHByb3BzIG1pc3RyZXNzIGhhcyBh IHF1ZXN0aW9uIGZvciB0aGUgd2lzZG9tIG9mIHRoZQo+ICBsaXN0LiBXZSBuZWVkIHRvIGhhdmUg YSBjZWxsIHBob25lIHJpbmcgcmVsaWFibHkgb24KPiAgc3RhZ2UgZHVyaW5nIGEgcGVyZm9ybWFu Y2UuIEkgYW0gd29ycmllZCB0aGF0IGEgcmVndWxhcgo+ICBjZWxsIHBob25lIG1pZ2h0IGJlIGNh bGxlZCBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIHBlcmZvcm1hbmNlIGF0IGFuCj4gIGlub3Bwb3J0dW5lIHRpbWUsIGFu ZCBpdCB3aWxsIGxpdmUgaW4gYWN0b3IncyBwb2NrZXQgc28KPiAgdGhlcmUncyBubyB3YXkgaXQg Y2FuIGJlIHdpcmVkIGludG8gdGhlIHNvdW5kIGJvYXJkLiBBbnkKPiAgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMgd2ls bCBiZSBhcHByZWNpYXRlZCEKKioqCkFzIG9uZSB3aG8gd2FzIGZvcmNlZCBieSB0aGUgZGlyZWN0 b3IgLSB3aG8gdGhvdWdodCB0aGlzIHdhcyBoaXMgbW9zdApicmlsbGlhbnQgaWRlYSBldmVyIC0g dG8gc2l0IHRocm91Z2ggZW5kbGVzcyBob3VycyBvZiByZWhlYXJzYWwganVzdCB0cnlpbmcKdG8g Z2V0IHRoZSB0aW1pbmcgcmlnaHQgKFRoZSBTaGFkb3cgQm94LCBCYXlsb3IgVW5pdmVyc2l0eSBU aGVhdHJlKSBJCmltcGxvcmUgeW91LCBkb27CuXQgZG8gaXQuIEdldCBhIHNtYWxsIHNwZWFrZXIs IGNyZWF0ZSB0aGUgc291bmQgZWZmZWN0LCBwbGF5CnRoZSBlZmZlY3QgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGUgc3Bl YWtlciB5b3UgZ290IGVhcmxpZXIuIEl0IHNvdW5kcyBncmVhdCAtIEkga25vdwpmcm9tIGV4cGVy aWVuY2UsIG5vdy4gKEJ1dCBJwrltIG5vdCBiaXR0ZXIgLSBhbnkgbW9yZS4pCgotLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tClRlcnJ5IEwuIFByaWNlLCBBc3Npc3RhbnQg UHJvZmVzc29yCkRlcGFydG1lbnQgb2YgVGhlYXRyZSBhbmQgRHJhbWF0aWMgTWVkaWEKVGV4YXMg THV0aGVyYW4gVW5pdmVyc2l0eQoxMDAwIFdlc3QgQ291cnQgU3RyZWV0CkNQTyAjIDI2OApTZWd1 aW4sIFRYIDc4MTU1Cig4MzApIDM3Mi04MTkxICh2b2ljZSkKKDgzMCkgMzcyLTgxODggKGZheCkK dHByaWNlQHRsdS5lZHUKCgoKVGhpcyBtZXNzYWdlIHdhcyBjb250ZW50IHNjYW5uZWQgYnkgdGhl IFRMVSBNY0FmZWUgV2Vic2hpZWxkLgo= ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:03:55 GMT Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Message-Id: <20050224.140456.17468.193771 [at] webmail18.lax.untd.com> You are less likely to lose your footing if you step on a (flat) 2P+G than a (round) twistlock in a darkened stage area. /s/ Richard > Am I getting the consensus that if I were to spec a brand new facility non-academic) the choice should be pin plugs rather than twist locks. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <97.59eece40.2f4fc451 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:59:13 EST Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions In a message dated 24/02/05 20:13:47 GMT Standard Time, tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes: > I was intrigued to climb a ladder to check out > my tubes (fluorescent). They are Phillips > 32watt, T-8, ALTO low mercury technology. > > I went to the web and found out that they > are 3500K Neutral White color. Attributing a colour temperature to a discharge lamp of any sort can get you in trouble. Juggle with the phosphors as you will, you can't suppress the green and blue spikes in the mercury discharge. If you were to look at it with a spectrograph, you would see what I mean. Clever use of phosphors can minimise the problem, but not eliminate it. The whole concept of colour temperature starts off with a 'black body' radiator. A tungsten filament is quite close to this. Its spectral output is determined by the laws of physics, and can be calculated. I did this, years ago, but I can no longer read the discs. But the important thing is that it radiates a continuous spectrum. Discharge lamps do not. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Bad Bad Electrician! Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:03:20 -0500 Frank wrote this: From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.37f0721a.2f4e6447 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:57:11 EST Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Heaven help me. I had thought that this had gone out with the ark! OK, I am old enough to have had to do it, but that was a long time ago. Connector technology has come a good way since then. I certainly haven't seen split-pin connectors for many years. Really Frank, if you are going to comment without knowing what common practice is over here and you must talk about unsafe connectors the very least you could have done is written: "Gone out with the arc." Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:07:51 EST Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! In a message dated 24/02/05 22:06:52 GMT Standard Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > > Am I getting the consensus that if I were to spec a brand new facility non- > academic) the choice should be pin plugs rather than twist locks. I think so. From an UK perspective, both are bad news. We have better answers. That said, having connectors depend for their locking on their pins does not strike me as sensible, as an engineer. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:20:57 EST Subject: Re: Bad Bad Electrician! In a message dated 25/02/05 00:00:32 GMT Standard Time, Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes: > Heaven help me. I had thought that this had gone out with the ark! OK, I am > > old enough to have had to do it, but that was a long time ago. Connector > technology has come a good way since then. I certainly haven't seen > split-pin > connectors for many years. > > Really Frank, if you are going to comment without knowing what common > practice is over here and you must talk about unsafe connectors the very > least you could have done is written: Hear my words. I read this list, and I hear what your common practises are, and I cringe. Few, if any of them, would be tolerated in the UK. Common practice is one thing: Safe installations are another. I know enginering.. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:39:44 GMT Subject: Re: Bad! Bad, Electrician! No doughnuts! Message-Id: <20050224.174045.13336.196519 [at] webmail24.lax.untd.com> I STILL think that Camlocks (and their functionally equivalent competitors that also lock through their pins) are a safer way for terminating single conductor 4/0 cable than Sista lugs attached to 1/4" x 1 1/4" copper busbars, and are a sensible alternative to them. /s/ Richard ...having connectors depend for their locking on their pins does not strike me as sensible, as an engineer. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <104.5b8eba38.2f5008ce [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:51:26 EST Subject: Re: Gerber Multitools Cc: john [at] fullcompass.com In a message dated 2/24/5 8:06:44 AM, john [at] fullcompass.com writes: << I am sure my price is much more reasonable than Kristi's ;) >> (Note.. all the following is said with a large grin on my face.) Gentlemen, please! First of all, John, since you did not ask my "price" you really can't compare, can you!? I've driven to Madison for nothing more fancy than picking up an original transcript from the UW, testifying at a hearing at the DMV regarding when my car was hit by an uninsured motorist, or attending a birthday party for the 10 year old daughter of a friend -- and that's just in the last two months. A reason to go to Madison? I'm in the car, see you in 100 minutes! Second... it seems many of you take me for a "TP" or "tape" kind of woman. Having lived the majority of my life in north central and north eastern Wisconsin, where most of the Toilet Tissue (correct industry term.. as opposed to "facial tissue") for North America is made and having on occasion found myself in a public "convenience" lacking same, I appreciate the value of each square. It is not to be wasted. I'd certainly never leave it covering trees. If I want white, I'll just wait for the snow to come. (Over, under... who cares! Just change the roll when it runs out!) I'll be first in line to say that most of the world's problems could be solved with an unlimited supply of duct tape or even sufficient gaffers tape, but using it to tie down a CEO is harassment. Were I to do that to a guy in a workplace, it would probably qualify as sexual harassment. As a women who's been on the receiving end of more than a bit of harassment in the work place, I can solemnly affirm that I avoid those situations whenever possible. My thought was to put on my best business suit with appropriate dress-for-success accessories, garner a sample list of theatres, businesses, and colleges represented by this list and meet with the CEO giving a brief estimate of the $$ the company stands to lose with such international bad publicity and asking not only for Paul's Gerber to be replaced ASAP, but also for the donation of several others to be given to the Long Beach Riders for them to auction off or use as they deem fit as part of their quest to raise funds for BC/EFA and thus gain some goodwill for Fiskars/Gerber. And if that fails, I'm good friends with one of the local motorcycle clubs as well as the chief of police. ;) Kristi ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #307 *****************************