Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 20118447; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:01:29 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #313 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:01:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #313 1. FA: Strand D54 demux cards by "Tony" 2. AC Neutral Currents Spreadsheet by "Alf Sauve" 3. Next Spreadsheet Challange - Dimmer Doubling by "Alf Sauve" 4. Re: Gerber Multitools and LBLR by Greg Williams 5. Re: Wireless dimmers by "Andrew Nikel" 6. Graduate schools by "Dave McManus" 7. Muffling tap shoes by "Alex M. Postpischil" 8. Re: Muffling tap shoes by "Julie Fox" 9. Re: citing productions for Faculty Activity Report by Stuart Wheaton 10. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by Jerry Durand 11. Re: Shop Lighting Questions by Greg Persinger 12. Re: Flush mount or pigtail by "C. Dopher" 13. Re: Flush mount or pigtail by Stephen Litterst 14. Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 15. Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) by Dale Farmer 16. Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) by Wood Chip-P26398 17. Re: Flush mount or pigtail by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 18. Re: Designer/Stage Manager Relationship by CB 19. Re: cell phone story morphing back to bad day at theatre by CB 20. O by CB 21. Soiree by "Chad Croteau" 22. OT: (and Commercial posting) Spotlight 11.5 and SETC by "Kevin Linzey" 23. Re: Soiree by "Sarah Clausen" 24. Re: O by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 25. Re: Flush mount or pigtail by "Steve B." 26. Getting around in Toronto by "Stuart Baulch" 27. USITT by "Joe Golden" 28. Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: Designer/Stage Manager Relationship by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 31. Color Codes by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 32. Re: USITT by Jerry Durand 33. Photocel switch by Rick Malone 34. Re: USITT by "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" 35. Re: Toronto TTC by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 36. Re: Photocel switch by Bruce Purdy 37. Re: Photocel switch by David Duffy 38. Re: cell phone story morphing back to bad day at theatre by Jerry Durand 39. Re: pigtail labeling by Jeff Forbes 40. Re: pigtail labeling by "Occy" 41. Re: pigtail labeling by "Klyph Stanford" 42. Re: Graduate schools by "Klyph Stanford" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <014101c51e5b$1b471e30$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" Cc: alf [at] sauve.org (Alf Sauve) References: Subject: FA: Strand D54 demux cards Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:34:57 -0000 UK only, I'd expect, but anyone interested in some D54 demux cards, I have one up on Ebay with 2 more in my back pocket. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7304781093&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Happy bidding! Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <042401c51e5c$87dded20$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: AC Neutral Currents Spreadsheet Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:45:11 -0500 Back to an old topic. I modified Dan's spreadsheet to allow the experimentation with most of the parameters. This includeds the percent of load, the phase relationship, frequency relationship and whether clipping is leading or trailing. I realize that for most applications these aren't needed, but I wanted to see what would happen if there was a 5% phase error. Or if you had portable dimmers on different phases (which I do) that clipped differently. Frequency is modeled by how many cycles of the wave form you want displayed on the graph for each phase. You can model 1, 2 or any number including fractions. By "displaying" different numbers of cycles (in effect you set a ratio of frequencies between phases) you can show what happens when different frequencies are mixed. Not something that normally happens in power supply situations, but useful for other situations. BE WARNED: Due to limitations in Excel the spreadsheet only plots 1,000 points. So granularity starts lacking as you increase the number of cycles displayed. It's not bullet proof, but seems fairly robust. I'd be happy to know about any errors you find in it. WARNING: This is for educational purposes. Not a precise tool to be used for wire sizing, but a tool that gives an approximate graphic simulation. http://sauve.org/acphasehd.xls [760kB] [This download has been tested with both IE 6.0 and Firefox. Other software, including AOL, use at your own risk. I'm more than happy to email this directly to anyone who desires.] Alf ------------------------------ Message-ID: <043901c51e60$e1efa5c0$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Next Spreadsheet Challange - Dimmer Doubling Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:49:18 -0500 I forgot. Dan expressed an interest in modeling Dimmer Doubling as well. That'll be in the next revision. I have to get inspired to tackle these formulas, so it may be a while. I'm in the midst of wiring a new venue, so I'm kinda absorbed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:18:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Gerber Multitools and LBLR From: Greg Williams In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6CC93FCD-8A54-11D9-A017-000393DB9BBC [at] appstate.edu> > on 2/28/05 12:21 PM, John Penisten at john [at] fullcompass.com wrote: >> On another note; is there anybody in Wisconsin (or nearby) riding to >> meet the LBLR's? I haven't warned my wife yet, but I would bet she >> would be somewhat more supportive of this than the Sturgis ride I had >> originally planned. Anyone interested? Hey John, c'mon and join the fun! You could either join one or the other "legs" of the ride at the start, or pick up with us in Lexington, Columbia MO, or Hays, KS. Give us a shout, willya? Will your wife be riding with you? And then... On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 09:17 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Is Sturgis a benefit ride? (That's not a rhetorical questions. I > honestly > don't know.) > Hey Bill... it's a benefit ride only in that it benefits the saloon owners, tattoo parlors, hotels, etc. It's one of the nation's oldest (right up there with Laconia) rallies. It's also fairly Harley-centric... 300,000 to 500,000 people in one place in one day is not my idea of a good time. Not when probably 20% of those bikes have 20-day tags on 'em! John, we'll have a blast, and if you're feeling out of the Sturgis loop, we'll take a day trip up there once we get to Rapid City... only we'll be there a month before the crowds roar in. We'll also have day trips to the Badlands, Mt. Rushmore and Crazy Horse Memorial, Deadwood, etc., so if anyone wants to join the fun, c'mon and sign up! If you can't make the entire trip, I'm sure we can work out something equitable ($-wise) for your participation. Remember, all donations go directly to BC/EFA, and the riders are paying their own way in addition to raising "buy-in" money. Hey, while I'm on the subject, which of you kind folks out there are donating gear/tools/widgets for the raffle this year in Toronto? -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager, Valborg Theatre Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Nikel" Subject: Re: Wireless dimmers Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:31:40 -0500 Message-ID: Michael - In the shameless plug department: The City Theatrical WDS is a wireless data distribution and dimming system you might want to look at. You can view it at: http://www.citytheatrical.com/ under the WDS Wireless Data System tab. It's solid, easy to use, durable, in use in a lot of places (particularly on Broadway) and we'll have some new additions coming up to the WDS line this year. Best, Andrew Andrew Nikel - Sales City Theatrical, Inc. 752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10405 Voice: 718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482 email: anikel [at] citytheatrical.com web: www.citytheatrical.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:41:58 -0500 From: MPTecDir [at] aol.com Cc: mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu Subject: Wireless dimmers Message-ID: <771B8665.5A5A60EB.00740ECC [at] aol.com> Hey gang, UMass is considering getting some wireless dimmers. Anybody have any info on brands that are great? Ones that suck? Ones that are easy to install and hook up? DMX control of course. etc.??? Also any tips on what to expect in terms of reliability and such? Brooke, what kind of units did you guys use on "Beauty"?? Any info is welcome. -- Michael ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Dave McManus" Subject: Graduate schools Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: I would be remiss if I didn't reccomend my alma mater, the North Carolina School of the Arts. While there are numerous reasons for my reccomendation (and I'd be happy to address these off-list if you'd like), the simple fact that you'd speak with Monte Heath (the shop foreman) on a daily basis is reason enough. Dave McManus Production Supervisor North Carolina Theatre 1 South Street Raleigh, NC 27601 Voice: 919/831-6945 Fax: 919/831-6951 E-Mail: dmcmanus [at] nctheatre.com Web: www.nctheatre.com ------------------------------ From: "Alex M. Postpischil" Subject: Muffling tap shoes Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:35 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c51e6a$1d252f30$ba1e4a82 [at] DHKQYC31> In-Reply-To: During our productions we had carpet runners in the offstage spaces where the tap dancers walked (crossover, wings, etc). -alex- Alex M. Postpischil, Technical Director Department of Theatre Arts University of Mississippi University, MS 38677 662.915.6993 662.915.5968 - fax ------------------------------ From: "Julie Fox" Subject: RE: Muffling tap shoes Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:32:09 -0000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carpet plus strict stage management is the way we generally go as well Jay -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Alex M. Postpischil Sent: 01 March 2005 14:23 To: Stagecraft Subject: Muffling tap shoes For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- During our productions we had carpet runners in the offstage spaces where the tap dancers walked (crossover, wings, etc). -alex- Alex M. Postpischil, Technical Director Department of Theatre Arts University of Mississippi University, MS 38677 662.915.6993 662.915.5968 - fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4224892C.5010804 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:24:28 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: citing productions for Faculty Activity Report References:

In-Reply-To: Scott C. Parker wrote: > Greetings All, > I'm filling out my "Faculty Activity Report" and I need to guidance. Of > course, it lacks any heading having to do with publishing in the arts. > Books, papers, articles, research and such abounds. But, no arts. This > is the yearly report that goes towards the next contract. Ultimately, it > will also end up in my tenure/promotion file. > > How do you all cite your production work on these forms? Seems like a Biologist would write his papers using his training and experience, doing his research as guided by the needs of his research area and his personal interests, they are published in a format where others pay to obtain his thoughts and ideas. A theatre person creates a production using his training and experience, guided by the needs of the production and his personal interests, and produces them in a venue where others pay to view it. The only catch I see is that the biologist has to get past a jury of his peers before his work is published, and the critics only get their say after you 'publish' your work. But on the other hand, many academics would be lucky to publish two or three papers a year, whereas we publish half a dozen or more. So even if you only count the ones the critics like, you can probably hold your own. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050301075045.029b4168 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:53:54 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions In-Reply-To: References:

At 11:21 AM 2/25/2005, you wrote: >HI, >In my install that I wrote about several days ago, two of the old fixtures >were left in, one at the front of the shop and one at the back that are >controlled from a standard wall switch just inside the door. Keeps one >from walking into stuff unnecessarily. >Steve Rees Seems like a safety issue still exists if the power drops out for a few seconds while you're up a ladder or something. There's nobody near the door to flip on the incandescent lights while you're waiting for the main lights to re-strike. Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a timer on the incandescent lights that always turned them on when you turned on the main lights, but after a few minutes turned off the incandescent ones? That way on power flickers the incandescent ones would come back on. Also, nobody would be leaving them on by mistake. You could still have a second switch to force the incandescent lights on either with or without the main lights. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:06:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Shop Lighting Questions From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > Seems like a safety issue still exists if the power drops out for a few > seconds while you're up a ladder or something. ... SNIP... > > Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a timer on the incandescent lights that > always turned them on when you turned on the main lights, but after a few > minutes turned off the incandescent ones? That way on power flickers the > incandescent ones would come back on. Also, nobody would be leaving them > on by mistake. There are Mercury vapor lamps that have this safety feature built into the fixture. When you first turn the lights on an incandescent lamp turns on until the fixture comes up to a certain temperature (I believe it is actually measuring current draw of the arc lamp). Once at temperature the incandescent lamp shuts off. In the case of a power failure the incandescent lamp comes on when power is restored and stays on until the mercury vapor lamp is back on line. No switches to flip nothing to transfer and all in one fixture. I don't remember who makes them but any electrical supply house could probably point you in the correct direction. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:46:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Flush mount or pigtail From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'm going to jump in on this one, having experienced the benefits and drawbacks of both styles of raceway configuration. For my two bucks, the decision should be made on the kind of space the raceways are going into. Proscenium, with flown electrics and raceways mounted above the pipe, definitely go the (better) route of pigtails. But for spaces where the audience sees all the lights and all the grid -- I'd rather have flushmount raceways, pain in the butt though they are, for the simple reason that I'm a neat-freak about how things are dressed and flushmount eliminates another bulky connection as well as empty dangling pigtails on circuits not in use. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:50:25 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Flush mount or pigtail Message-id: <4224AB61.D95AF8EC [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: "C. Dopher" wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I'm going to jump in on this one, having experienced the benefits and > drawbacks of both styles of raceway configuration. For my two bucks, the > decision should be made on the kind of space the raceways are going into. > Proscenium, with flown electrics and raceways mounted above the pipe, > definitely go the (better) route of pigtails. Well, if we're going back that far in the process I still say get rid of the raceways and do the system with multicable dropboxes. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.24079116.2f560b3d [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:15:25 EST Subject: Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) In a message dated 01/03/05 03:34:18 GMT Standard Time, mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes: > On the contrary - much of the "local adjustments" are related to the permit > process. Also, they deal with local customary practice, and are not > arbitrary nor without sound engineering advice. > > It's diverse, not zany. Differences are more often related to the timing > at which a particular edition of the Code is adopted. Engineers are > familiar with what's applicable in a specific area, and there is a plan > check where the local code authorities review a design. Local contractors > are of course, familiar with the local rules. I'm sure they are. But, why are there 'local' rules, when there is a national code? I am sure that most of it is sensible, and represents good enginering. But I have seen postings that make me wonder. Those which refer to "wild phases" are a case in point. > > As I noted in a recent posting: "The provisions in the National Electrical > Code, the most widely adopted Code in the world, is developed through the > most rigorous of open consensus process. Thousands of people contribute, > and anyone can - from anywhere." Yes, even Frank Wood can. Without knowing your Code, I should not presume to. I have enough trouble in remembering the relevant aspects of our own. > > Since our industry is quite specialized, many engineers, architects, > building officials (including AHJs), do not always understand the > differences. The problems encountered are not necessarily due to a > difference in locale, rather a lack of understanding of the unique > requirements of our industry. Having a knowledgeable crew, a theatre > consultant, and help from the various manufacturers can make this process > go smoothly. Here, I am entirely with you. Architects are, in my limited experience, particularly bad. I have spent hours, with two colleagues, poring over belated drawings trying to eliminate their errors. The two best ones we found were an intention to site a support column for a canopy over a drain cover, and to use the power feed to a 50V emergency light to power the general lighting in an area. There were many others. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4224C125.70A747A2 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:23:17 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) References: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 01/03/05 03:34:18 GMT Standard Time, > mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes: > > > On the contrary - much of the "local adjustments" are related to the permit > > process. Also, they deal with local customary practice, and are not > > arbitrary nor without sound engineering advice. > > > > It's diverse, not zany. Differences are more often related to the timing > > at which a particular edition of the Code is adopted. Engineers are > > familiar with what's applicable in a specific area, and there is a plan > > check where the local code authorities review a design. Local contractors > > are of course, familiar with the local rules. > > I'm sure they are. But, why are there 'local' rules, when there is a national > code? I am sure that most of it is sensible, and represents good enginering. > But I have seen postings that make me wonder. Those which refer to "wild > phases" are a case in point. IT has to do with the style of government. In the UK, all legal authority ( handwaving lots of relevant details) ultimately derives from the throne. Thus one national code for the entire country. In the US, all legal authority derives from the people, ( again, handwaving lots of relevant details. ) thus, the code is enacted by local governments. The folks who create the NEC in the US are a private company that basically make their money by selling copies of their various building codes. There are other private companies and associations that also offer building codes to be adopted by various local governments into their local law. If the concept that folks do things differently in different parts of the world, for reasons that make sense to those people at the time, is beyond your comprehension, then I give up. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B03568683 [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:27:10 -0700 Where most of us get in trouble both technically and politically is in the little phrase "makes sense". Chip Wood -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dale Farmer If the concept that folks do things differently in different parts of the world, for reasons that make sense to those people at the time, ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Flush mount or pigtail Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:32:36 -0500 It is not an either or situation. In ;our last renovation we chose where we wanted pigtails (and how long they needed to be for each of those locations) and where we wanted flush mount. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: C. Dopher [mailto:brooklyn [at] dopher.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:46 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flush mount or pigtail For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm going to jump in on this one, having experienced the benefits and drawbacks of both styles of raceway configuration. For my two bucks, the decision should be made on the kind of space the raceways are going into. Proscenium, with flown electrics and raceways mounted above the pipe, definitely go the (better) route of pigtails. But for spaces where the audience sees all the lights and all the grid -- I'd rather have flushmount raceways, pain in the butt though they are, for the simple reason that I'm a neat-freak about how things are dressed and flushmount eliminates another bulky connection as well as empty dangling pigtails on circuits not in use. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050301130048.016dcd60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:00:48 From: CB Subject: Re: Designer/Stage Manager Relationship >Maybe, but they have defined the show. Ya almost got it. Out here, they have defined the show *to the SM*. At that point, that definition being in their hands, the SM's of the rest of the world translate that definition to the other depts. and running crew every night. In other words, right, Frank, exactly the point I was making. Please, we all know that you do some things differently than a very large portion of the rest of the theatrical community. We get it. Do not sidetrack these discussions of the rest of us by re-iterating your viewpoint constantly, especially when we give the nod to your exception and your way of doing things. You are allowed to do things your way, and we don't try to stop you (as long as you don't do them in our house) and it works for you. We won't belittle you for doing things the way that you do things if they work for you, extend us the same courtesy. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050301130748.016dcd60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:07:48 From: CB Subject: Re: cell phone story morphing back to bad day at theatre >In addition the facility lighting guys hadn't bothered to READ the script >before the show and neither did the facility sound guy. HMMmmm.... I dunno about the schedule you guys had, but I've been handed a script fifteen minutes to doors and I'm still dealing with talent arriving and production 'OBTW's. What happened during rehearsal? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050301131235.016dcd60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:12:35 From: CB Subject: O Hey, I'll be in 'Vegas this week doing a bitty corp gig while AIDA is in hiatus, and I'm wondering if any of the hands that moved up ther to do 'O' years ago are still hanging around Anyone on the list know anyone working 'O'? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008701c51e99$701c9c80$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" Subject: Soiree Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:01:18 -0500 Hey Everyone. I'm sorry if I missed what the final verdict was, but was there ever a decision as to whether or not there would be a gathering (official or otherwise) for Stagecraft listers during USITT? If not, would anyone care to get together for beverages during USITT? This is the first time I go to the conference, and it'd be great to put some faces to names! Please let me know! Chad ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Linzey" Subject: OT: (and Commercial posting) Spotlight 11.5 and SETC Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:15:42 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c51e9b$718a2450$1101a8c0 [at] KLinzeypc> In-Reply-To: Warning ..... Off Topic Commercial posting With that out of the way. I know a lot of you use Vectorworks so I figured I pass on some = information. Vectorworks 11.5 was released today. Nemetschek will be showing the entire Vectorworks 11.5 series this week = at SETC. If you are in area or already have plans to attend SETC stop by the = booth and let us show you what's new for 11.5. South East Theatre Conference http://www.setc.org/conventions/ Greensboro, NC=20 Booth #304 Thanks, Kevin P.S. We will be at USITT in Toronto (Booth #385) too. Nemetschek North America Updates VectorWorks Product Line to Version 11.5 Free update offers new hand-drawn sketch effects, automatic lighting, improved 3D snapping, and tool improvements Columbia, Maryland (March 1, 2005)- As part of its ongoing strategy to provide customers with the latest technology and improvements, = Nemetschek North America announced today that it has updated its entire line of VectorWorks products to version 11.5 . VectorWorks, VectorWorks = ARCHITECT, VectorWorks LANDMARK, VectorWorks SPOTLIGHT, VectorWorks MECHANICAL, and RenderWorks all boast notable productivity enhancements along with new functionality. This update is available to all current VectorWorks 11 = users as a free Web download, or it can be obtained on CD for a nominal fee. Paul Pharr, CAD Manager, Nemetschek North America, stated, "The 11.5 = series of VectorWorks products features many improvements in overall stability = and functionality, but the highlight of this release is the new hand-drawn sketch effects which give precision 2D drawings an unconstrained, = sketched appearance. This new must-have presentation tool is in direct response = to user requests to create presentations that look hand-drawn, and it is available in VectorWorks ARCHITECT, VectorWorks LANDMARK, VectorWorks SPOTLIGHT, and VectorWorks MECHANICAL." Some of the productivity enhancements found in version 11.5 include the Freehand tool, with new smoothing options that make it easier to create organic shapes. Improved 3D snapping now finds the center of extrudes. = New automatic lighting means scenes are always perfectly lit. Additionally, = the most recently used fonts are now displayed at the top of the font list. Other changes include better trimming, more accurate polygon offsets, enhanced viewports, and improved support in RenderWorks for QuickTimeR = VR and PiranesiR. For a complete list of version 11.5 improvements, visit, www.nemetschek.net/11.5/ Nemetschek North America is a wholly-owned subsidiary of European = software giant Nemetschek AG. A global leader in design technologies, Nemetschek = N.A. has developed CAD software for the personal computer since 1985. VectorWorks, our flagship product, is one of the world's best selling = CAD products and is available in over 85 countries and is translated in 8 languages. The VectorWorks Industry Series is a line of products = designed specifically to meet the needs of designers in the fields of AEC, entertainment and landscape design. For more information, visit www.nemetschek.net ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Soiree Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:19:15 -0600 Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F21C81B9C [at] MIDL-MAILV.etclink.net> From: "Sarah Clausen" I would also be interested to find out if there's a Stagecraft soiree, as I've email-chatted with a bunch of you and haven't met many of you in person. I'll be at USITT in and out of the ETC booth during the Expo. If there's no get-together, stop by and say hi anyway. Sarah Sarah Clausen Product Manager Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc. ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: O Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:24:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just spent a week in Vegas. They are all there. doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:13 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: O For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hey, I'll be in 'Vegas this week doing a bitty corp gig while AIDA is in hiatus, and I'm wondering if any of the hands that moved up ther to do 'O' years ago are still hanging around Anyone on the list know anyone working 'O'? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:13:48 -0500 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: Flush mount or pigtail Message-id: <002a01c51ea3$8f73a330$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litterst" > Well, if we're going back that far in the process I still say get rid > of the raceways and do the system with multicable dropboxes. Again, depends on the system and the application. I actually would recommend 6 circ. Socapex over drop boxes at any rate, somewhat lighter, easier to add lengths, can interface as needed with rental stock/touring events, can (sometimes) fit through the channel steel - which makes them a bit easier to re-locate. But, I opted for full length raceways with pigtails on my 4 main electrics for a couple of reasons. 1) The 2 #12/30 multi's (24 circuits PLUs 1 work light circuit) are easier to rig then the 4 - 6 circ. multi's PLUS a piece of 12/3SO for the worklight. The raceway is also a cleaner hang then 4 multi's with staggered breakouts. 2) I have a very tight lineset setup and, pretty much always HAVE to use the designated 1 thru 4 electrics as electrics, thus have no need to move boxes/Socapex drops to another pipe. The design for the Dept of Theater space next door calls for 6 circ. as the distribution method as they can and do move the electrics. Bottom line is that every method has it's use, but it pays to think about it and then scream to get it the way you know will work. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ From: "Stuart Baulch" Subject: Getting around in Toronto Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jerry - the closest drop off for http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/ is the Delta Chelsea. You would then walk north on Yonge St one traffic light and then east about 100 yards. It looks like PW Transportation does offer a shuttle to the Day's Inn (905 564-6333) for about $19 each way. And on your walk you can sample that bastion of Canadian Culture, Tim Horton's coffee and donuts.... For those not familiar with the underground labyrinth called PATH, best to avoid it if you're going any great distance. It's a maze of interconnected underground shopping malls, parking lots and tunnels. These were not laid out with the pedestrian in mind and the signage is often lacking. I get lost and I've lived in Toronto my entire life. Plus it stops short of the convention centre - you can get to a food court across the street and then dash through traffic. TTC - the weekly pass that someone mentioned covers the whole Greater Toronto Area, including all sorts of places that you're prob not going to visit. A better option is the daypass for $7.75. It pays for itself in 4 trips. The catch is that it is not valid until after 9:30am. http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/family_pass.htm Adult tickets and tokens are 5 for $9.50. If anyone is looking for a chance to work-out in something better than the hotel gym, drop me an email and I should be able to set up some passes for Metro-Central YMCA (or Y members from other cities can just present their cards.) http://ymcatoronto.org/membership/locations/default.asp?load=metrocentral Cheers, Stuart B ------------------------------ Subject: USITT Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:04:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" I have the stickers left that I made for LDI. Does someone who has a booth like me to send them to you to pass out? Let me know Joe Golden Joe at elslights dot com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:51:17 EST Subject: Re: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) In a message dated 01/03/05 19:22:15 GMT Standard Time, dale [at] cybercom.net writes: > > I'm sure they are. But, why are there 'local' rules, when there is a > national > > code? I am sure that most of it is sensible, and represents good > enginering. > > But I have seen postings that make me wonder. Those which refer to "wild > > phases" are a case in point. > > IT has to do with the style of government. In the UK, all legal authority > ( handwaving lots of relevant details) ultimately derives from the throne. > Thus one national code for the entire country. In the US, all legal > authority derives from the people, ( again, handwaving lots of relevant > details. ) thus, the code is enacted by local governments. Funnily enough, our IEE Regulations have no legal force. It would be a lot of work to convince a court that your failure to observe them, in a serious incident, was not connected with it. But, in theory, it could be done. What does enforce them is insurance companies. Bean counters to a man, they set rules that you break at your peril. I could do an installation which was perfectly sound, from an engineering point of view. But if their inspectors didn't like it, they would void our policy. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <60.50649ca9.2f564f04 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:04:36 EST Subject: Re: Designer/Stage Manager Relationship In a message dated 01/03/05 19:56:35 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Ya almost got it. Out here, they have defined the show *to the SM*. At > that point, that definition being in their hands, the SM's of the rest of > the world translate that definition to the other depts. and running crew > every night. In other words, right, Frank, exactly the point I was making. And, I think, exactly what I said. Having the SM grab the script, and write lists of cues, props, and so on is a waste of time, without the design being defined. Once that has been done, OK. Well, OK-ish. As an LD, I do not admit that that the SM can tell me what to do. That is for the director to do. The same goes for the SD, and probably for Wardrobe and Props. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: National Electrical Code (was Stage Pin vs.Twist . . .) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c51eb3$229fe290$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > What does enforce them is insurance companies Actually, our NEC comes from insurance companies, too, although most municipalities have adopted it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:20:31 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Color Codes Hello All, I was trying to find the archive for it and for some reason can't access it. I'm looking for the color codes that the list had come up with for lengths of cables and lighting lens degrees. Were they different than other color codes the USITT or other such official groups are giving as standards? I want to try to get the college to conform to what the nation seems to generally be using, versus what they are using now. Jeff Kanyuck ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050301175338.029a9ec0 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:54:03 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: USITT In-Reply-To: References: We can pass them out if you wish. At 02:04 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote: >I have the stickers left that I made for LDI. Does someone who has a >booth like me to send them to you to pass out? Let me know > >Joe Golden >Joe at elslights dot com ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42251043.1030806 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:00:51 -0600 From: Rick Malone Subject: Photocel switch Slightly off topic, but possibly useful. I'm looking for a photocel switch that is normally on in the light and off at dark. Preferably in a sealed ready to use configuration. (friend has a pond for which he wants to turn off the pump at dusk and back on at dawn. I've looked at X-10 and Smarthome but no luck. TIA Rick Malone in San Antonio ------------------------------ From: "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: USITT Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:34:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050302023440.ZYCN2034.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> We love to be part of this. Booth 1134. Jim www.theatrewireless.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of Joe Golden > Sent: March 1, 2005 5:04 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: USITT > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have the stickers left that I made for LDI. Does someone > who has a booth like me to send them to you to pass out? Let me know > > Joe Golden > Joe at elslights dot com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F16020053 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: Toronto TTC Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:47:57 -0800 I thought I would be walking a lot too, but have you guys seen the weather reports for TO this week??? Snow, -9 Centigrade. Someone want to share the limo into town? Arriving Wednesday around 7 pm (he said, without checking the paperwork). On a social note, is the plan still to have the Stagecraft reception Friday night? (Thanks to whoever is organzing. . .) Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:43:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Photocel switch From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Slightly off topic, but possibly useful. I'm looking for a photocel > switch that is normally on in the light and off at dark. Preferably in > a sealed ready to use configuration. (friend has a pond for which he > wants to turn off the pump at dusk and back on at dawn. I've looked at > X-10 and Smarthome but no luck. Any Photocell switches I've seen work the other way around, to turn lights ON in the dark, and OFF in the light. This doesn't mean that what you're looking for doesn't exist, just that I haven't seen one. If you can't find what you're looking for, I suppose you could use a relay or contacter run from a "Normal" Photocell switch, but really - isn't a timer a better approach for this use? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42254C7D.3080104 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:17:49 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Photocel switch References: In-Reply-To: >Slightly off topic, but possibly useful. I'm looking for a photocel >switch that is normally on in the light and off at dark. Preferably in >a sealed ready to use configuration. (friend has a pond for which he >wants to turn off the pump at dusk and back on at dawn. I've looked at >X-10 and Smarthome but no luck. > > The garden suppliers and hardware stores have ones for switching 12Vac on at dusk & off at dawn. You could use that to drive a relay and use the N/C contact to switch your pump on at dawn and off at dusk. Easy! :-) David... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050301214131.02983730 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:42:58 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: cell phone story morphing back to bad day at theatre In-Reply-To: References: At 05:07 AM 3/1/2005, you wrote: > >In addition the facility lighting guys hadn't bothered to READ the script > >before the show and neither did the facility sound guy. > >HMMmmm.... I dunno about the schedule you guys had, but I've been handed a >script fifteen minutes to doors and I'm still dealing with talent arriving >and production 'OBTW's. What happened during rehearsal? The facility didn't have full crew for the rehearsal, too much money. We didn't get say in it. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7b8f065a37aa709a994b94509c40f06a [at] earthlink.net> From: Jeff Forbes Subject: Re:pigtail labeling Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:39:43 -0800 On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Stagecraft wrote: > For those of you that like /have pigtails how is the pigtail marked? > On the raceway, in very readable numbers. The pigtails I'm used to are really only about 18" long. Jeff A Forbes PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd Portland OR 97206 (503)-888-5619 www.performanceworksnw.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: pigtail labeling Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:30:33 -0800 Take paint pen in white paint, write on both sides of the female plug. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Forbes" > --------------------------------------------------- > > > For those of you that like /have pigtails how is the pigtail marked? > > > > On the raceway, in very readable numbers. The pigtails I'm used to are > really only about 18" long. > > Jeff A Forbes > PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd > Portland OR 97206 > (503)-888-5619 > www.performanceworksnw.org > > ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: RE: pigtail labeling Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:07:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------- > > > For those of you that like /have pigtails how is the pigtail marked? > > > > On the raceway, in very readable numbers. The pigtails I'm used to are > really only about 18" long. > > Jeff A Forbes > PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd > Portland OR 97206 > (503)-888-5619 > www.performanceworksnw.org > > Do both. Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: RE: Graduate schools Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:38:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---------------------------------------------------