Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 20654606; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:00:43 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #324 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:00:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #324 1. Re: USITT / Pocket DMX Console by "Andrew Nikel" 2. Re: Peeeeeeps by "Stephen E. Rees" 3. Re: Peeeeeeps by IAEG [at] aol.com 4. Re: Peeeeeeps by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Re: Peeeeeeps by IAEG [at] aol.com 6. Re: nutty costumers by Steve Larson 7. Re: USITT / Pocket DMX Console by "Delbert Hall" 8. Re: Sound system help by "John Penisten" 9. Re: Peeeeps by "Stephen E. Rees" 10. Re: Peeeeps by Bill Sapsis 11. Re: audience signage by Theatre Safety Programs 12. Re: Peeeeps by "Stephen E. Rees" 13. Re: Costumers by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by "Bll Conner" 15. Re: Peeeeps by IAEG [at] aol.com 16. Re: Peeeeps by "Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" 17. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by "Bll Conner" 18. Re: Video monitoring system by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 19. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by Simon Newton 20. Re: Lister Talents by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 21. Metropolitan Opera Technical Department Internship. by David Carrico 22. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by "Michael S. Eddy" 23. Re: Costumers by "Joshua Webb" 24. Re: Lister Talents by Loren Schreiber 25. Re: Peeeeps by "Jon Ares" 26. Summer Trap Rebuild project by Heather Hillhouse-Deans 27. ETC WRFU vs RRFU by "Cyr, Dale" 28. Re: Lister Talents by Greg Bierly 29. Re: Peeeeps by "Michael S. Eddy" 30. Re: ETC WRFU vs RRFU by "Sarah Clausen" 31. Re: ETC WRFU vs RRFU by Stephen Litterst 32. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by "Bll Conner" 33. Shamless commercial post by "Bll Conner" 34. Re: Peeeeeeps by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 35. Re: Shamless commercial post by Steve Larson 36. Re: Shamless commercial post by IAEG [at] aol.com 37. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 38. summer work by Nicholas Kuhl 39. Re: Lister Talents by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 40. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by Stephen Litterst 41. Video monitoring system by CB 42. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by CB 43. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by "Paul Schreiner" 44. Re: Listers talents by CB 45. Re: summer work by "Scott Boyle" 46. Re: Listers talents by "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" 47. Re: Video monitoring system by CB 48. Re: Listers talents by CB 49. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by Stephen Litterst 50. Re: Video monitoring system by CB 51. Re: Video monitoring system by CB 52. Re: summer work by Stephen Litterst 53. Peeeeeps by CB 54. Electricians needed by Herrick Goldman 55. Re: Peeeeps by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 56. Re: Listers talents by Richard Wright 57. Re: summer work by "Joshua Webb" 58. Re: Peeeeeps by "Joshua Webb" 59. Re: summer work by "Paul Schreiner" 60. Re: Peeeeeps by Shawn Palmer 61. Re: Peeeeeps by Shawn Palmer 62. Re: Peeeeeps by "Immel,Patrick" 63. video by Roger Harrison 64. Re: Peeeeps by "Chad Croteau" 65. Re: video by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 66. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 67. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 68. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by Stephen Litterst 69. Re: Peeeeeps by Brian Munroe 70. Re: Video monitoring system by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 71. Re: video by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 72. Re: Peeeeeps by Pat Kight 73. Re: video by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 74. Re: Listers talents by "Michael Finney" 75. Re: Peeeeeps by Greg Bierly 76. Listers Talents by "Brian D Shipinski" 77. Re: Glasgow by Dorian Kelly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Nikel" Subject: Re: USITT / Pocket DMX Console Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: I vote for the always professional-looking Little Rascals High Sign or the code-words "Jousting Peeps". ;-) We have a Pocket DMX Console we use in the lab and for demos. I expect we'll have it in the booth in Toronto as well. It works well for my needs, though I don't generally use it powered by battery, so I can't speak to that. Andrew ------------------------------ At 12:16 PM 3/9/2005, Jerry Durand wrote: >The Stagecraft stickers will be with Jerry Should I have them out, or "on request"? I assume we don't want just everybody picking them up. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42304B4A.8060000 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:27:38 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Peeeeeeps References: I only sow the seeds of madness. It would be up to someone else to grow them. At the price of electrical outlets on the floor, Bill might have to resort to solar power. ;) Steve Merel Ray-Pfeifer wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > That's a great idea Steve. > > Unka Bill could have a Peep Show. Kinda like tech expo. > > Entrys must but peep based. Donations tp pick the winner. Proceeds go > to charity. > > Whaaddaayaaa think? > > Merel Ray-Pfeifer > Production Manager > Dept. of Theatre & Dance > Millikin Univ. > Decatur, IL 62522 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15c.4bf29efe.2f61a797 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:27 EST Subject: Re: Peeeeeeps I want a fall arrest harness for my peeps, , , can't be too safe ya know ? oh, , , and to our Jewish friends on the list, , , the Passover equivalent of a Peep would be what ? Can you make a Peep from chicken fat perhaps ? Matzoh meal ? keith ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Peeeeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c52577$3572d060$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: As far as I know, there's nothing traif about a peep*; as a matter of fact, the sweetness is in keeping with the spirit of Passover. * I suppose you'd have to slaughter them according to the ancient rituals, though. > -----Original Message----- > From: IAEG [at] aol.com [mailto:IAEG [at] aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:37 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Peeeeeeps > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I want a fall arrest harness for my peeps, , , > > can't be too safe ya know ? > > > oh, , , and to our Jewish friends on the list, , , the > Passover equivalent of > a Peep would be what ? > > Can you make a Peep from chicken fat perhaps ? Matzoh meal ? > > > > keith > > > ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:46:52 EST Subject: Re: Peeeeeeps In a message dated 3/10/05 8:45:10 AM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << * I suppose you'd have to slaughter them according to the ancient rituals, though. >> would that include draining and salting ? Dry Peeps with salt wouldn't work I don't think, , ,, , : - ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:47:59 -0500 Subject: Re: nutty costumers From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From the thread thus far, I figure that the only ones who would possibly seriously be interested would have to be crazy. I've been a managing director of a summer theatre. Rules for success: Pay your people what they're worth, create a schedule that is attainable without killing the cast and crew, produce a very good product. If you can't do that, then don't even try. I've been to performances of way too many summer theatres that don't have a clue about taking care of their employees, let alone how to produce a product that will fill the house, every night, all summer long. Please don't generalize about costumers. I married one as did many others on the list. Perhaps a look in the mirror will reveal who's really crazy or nuts. Steve > From: "Tony Olson" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:16:26 -0600 > To: "Stagecraft" > Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu > Subject: Re: nutty costumers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Yes I understand the pay aspect of this, however the people I have > interviewed for the position we have not even talked money before I have > listed in my notes that the person is a bit crazy... ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: USITT / Pocket DMX Console Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:18:38 -0500 Jousting Peeps and hamsters - theres a vision. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) >I vote for the always professional-looking Little Rascals High Sign or the >code-words "Jousting Peeps". ;-) > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <423057E3.6020704 [at] fullcompass.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:21:23 -0600 From: "John Penisten" Subject: RE: Sound system help References: In-Reply-To: I have been very happy with Audio Technica shotguns. The AT815B may work for you, and lists for $400. Take a look at: http://www.audio-technica.com/prodpro/profiles/AT815b.html >Any recommendations for which NTE (not too expensive) shotguns would be >ideal for this application? > >Jonathan Deull -- John Penisten Full Compass Systems Rental, Production, Design http://www.fullcompass.com Phone: 800-356-5844 Ext. 1355 Fax: 608-831-6330 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42305964.1010100 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:48 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Peeeeps References: OK, since I started this thread, (maybe I should be sorry for that) I'll be bringing some PEEPS with me to Toronto so that Stuart can see what they are. Check in the Tech Expo area. Maybe we just distribute them cunningly around the show floor and see who notices. :) Steve Stuart Baulch wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stephen Litterst wrote: > >>Any exhibitors on the list have room for a microwave in the booth? >>We could have jousting competitions on the show floor! > > > I'll offer up in my microwave if someone will explain what the heck a "peep" > is.... > > Stuart B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:38:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Peeeeps From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 3/10/05 9:27 AM, Stephen E. Rees at Rees [at] fredonia.edu wrote: > OK, since I started this thread, (maybe I should be sorry for that) I'll > be bringing some PEEPS with me to Toronto so that Stuart can see what > they are. Check in the Tech Expo area. Maybe we just distribute them > cunningly around the show floor and see who notices. :) Careful. You don't want to get caught smuggling peeps across the border. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050310074535.01fda1a0 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:48:39 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: re: audience signage Shown below are the individual signs we use, and we also have signs with various combinations: Smoke and/or fog effects are used during this performance. Strobe effects are used during this performance Pyrotechnics are used during this performance Jerry Gorrell Technical Director Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix Message-Id: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:02:46 -0600 From: "Merel Ray-Pfeifer" Subject: Audience signage I hate to admit it but I have lost my copy of audience warning signage. And cant think of a good way to say, " if your have a siezure disorder this show contains a video that may set you off". Any suggestionss? Dr. Doom? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42305FC8.5040006 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:55:04 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Peeeeps References: Jeez, I thought if they were personal use and not for resale, that would not be an issue. Are there quantity limits like for alcohol and tobacco products? Are there daily quotas? Steve Bill Sapsis wrote: > Careful. You don't want to get caught smuggling peeps across the border. > > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Costumers Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:55:24 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C74D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Honestly Tony, I think anyone would HAVE to be crazy to take=20 > that job. I grew=20 > up in Tomahawk.=20 I actually had Tony's job once upon a time. At the time, though, the duties were also included under a "General Manager" heading, which meant I also spent far too much time in auditions doing casting on top of everything else. > 1) It's in the middle of nowhere. The closet thing that=20 > vaguely resembles a=20 > fabric store is an hour drive away and has the name=20 > "Wal-mart" over the door. Not totally true. There's a WM in Minocqua, and a supercenter in Rhinelander! > 2) The pay isn't reasonable given the workload.=20 In complete agreement here. =20 > 3) There aren't many things to do in your "off time" (what=20 > little of it you=20 > might get) other than drink and sit under the trees.=20 Ah, but there used to be a little bar over in Lake Tomahawk (not the same as Tomahawk, for the non-WI listers) that had video karaoke every Friday and Saturday night. > 4) It's not a place that has a reputation for high quality=20 > theatre. [And I'll=20 > add the caveat that I haven't seen any shows there since=20 > you've been TD. I=20 > would bet you've improved upon the technical things at least!] When dealing with the schedule and the budgets available, high technical quality is well-nigh impossible. > I don't think you'll find a sane person to do such an insane=20 > task - or at=20 > least she won't be sane by the end of the summer. >=20 > Much as I'd love to work near my parents, I value my health=20 > and that includes=20 > my sanity.=20 FWIW, Tony was spot-on in one regard...that throwing oneself voluntarily into that crucible is a tremendous learning experience. Yes, the money sucks. Yes, the conditions would make any Equity rep heave. No, I'm not offering excuses. The producer who hired me was a somewhat successful actor who had spent time there (in different economic conditions) and was presented with an opportunity to purchase the theatre from the previous owners (it's not a non-profit--probably the most crippling part of the equation), and did so a little too trustingly and without due diligence. Those responsible have weighed the options--theatre on the extreme cheap versus no theatre at all (and losing a what's left of a life savings in the process)--and made the decision to try to stick it out. It all contributed to a feeling of being trapped in some respects; thankfully, the atmosphere and the trees did a lot to alleviate that. Though having to do rounds during the winter to check the backstage raccoon traps did get a little old... That being said, it's not a job for those with any length of tooth, nor for those who have significant others (the other reason I left). The learning factor is great--but once you've gone through the wringer, one doesn't usually want to subject themselves to the same thing again, which makes retention very rare. Can good theatre be done in conditions like this? Yes. I'd like to think we did some (JCS comes to mind). Is it the norm? Not really. If I knew then what I know now, would I still have taken the job? Probably. Would I take it again? Not on your life. Has nothing to do with the people, and everything to do with the fact I burned myself out after only 18 months. Caveat emptor...YMMV. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002201c52581$8165d2b0$8d01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bll Conner" From: "Bll Conner" Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:57:39 -0600 Greg posted: "I would think it might be more cost effective in some situations to just run cable to your lighting positions." Not from my experience. 4-10 jacks all in conduit and serial cable installed versus a wireless transmitter? I switched to all wireless and all Ethernet - no DMX except maybe in road houses - several years ago and no that hey are all coming on line, it's terrific. My sales rep claimed that even the materials cost for wireless - and these have all mostly been the WiFi based systems with an Ipaq handheld - cost less. No install is all extra savings. (One small facility just opening with ETC's radio frequency based device.) Bill ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:00:43 EST Subject: Re: Peeeeps In a message dated 3/10/05 9:56:10 AM, Rees [at] fredonia.edu writes: << Jeez, I thought if they were personal use and not for resale, that would not be an issue. Are there quantity limits like for alcohol and tobacco products? Are there daily quotas? Steve >> and don't bring any Cuban made peeps back either ! that's a bigger problem ! keith ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Peeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:01:45 -0700 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD140413BC [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> From: "Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Yes. There are limits for alcohol. 40 oz maximum of spirits. 200 max cigarettes. Methinks those are the most common. Trey Haagen Arnold Hall Theatre=20 USAF Academy -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen E. Rees Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 07:55 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Peeeeps For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Jeez, I thought if they were personal use and not for resale, that would not be an issue. Are there quantity limits like for alcohol and tobacco products? Are there daily quotas? Steve Bill Sapsis wrote: > Careful. You don't want to get caught smuggling peeps across the=20 > border. >=20 > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002c01c52583$0f175ce0$8d01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bll Conner" From: "Bll Conner" Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:08:44 -0600 Bruce Purdy posted: " I've been toying with the idea of a "DMX Pocket Console" Recently I saw a device that - used with a cordless phone - provided wireless rfu capability for a lot if not all consoles. As I recall, device was several hundred dollars and of course the cordless phones are cheap - $7 this week at Best Buy. This would seem infinitely more versatile and more economical than any wired device. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Video monitoring system Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:23:03 -0500 We are running both versions of this system We have some areas where the monitors are on a modulator and some are on a direct feed using a video amp/distro. While the picture is a little better with the latter system, the ease of selectivity makes the modulated system more advantageous. We have three feeds from each performance space, a color cover camera, an IR black and white and a portable usually used as a conductor cam for the operas and musicals. This means that we can take a monitor and place it most anywhere and have any one of those feeds from any one of the venues. In addition to having outlets around the theaters (backstage and in the house), in the dressing rooms and all of the production areas (shops and congregating areas) we also ran feeds to the production head offices and the Performance management office (front of house activities). They are invaluable for both performance and security use. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: John Bracewell [mailto:jbrace [at] lightlink.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:44 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Video monitoring system For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >I don't think that you have thought through what is being proposed. Four >cameras, to many and variable monitors: I could do it, but it ain't easy. Well, maybe I misinterpreted the original poster's intent. What I thought I read was an intent to have each camera feeding its own monitor system. That would mean one distro for each camera. I do see where others have read this to mean one monitor in each remote location with the ability to select the camera to monitor. That, I agree, is a bit more of a problem, and for that I would agree with those who suggest using a modulator. Still not an inexpensive solution. Most of the low-cost modulators I've seen only allow output on Channels 3 and 4. -- JLB ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU From: Simon Newton In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:32:28 +0800 Message-Id: <1110468748.27264.15.camel [at] dooku> Hi All, Long time lurker, first time poster here (be nice :) I'm interested in this discussion of wireless in theatre environments - it's actually what my thesis is on. Part of it is writing Linux drivers for the ArtNet protocol (DMX over IP). As I'm from the technical side and have very limited practical experience could someone maybe fill me in on the details of how suitable wireless would be in a theatre environment ? From what I can see it would deliver huge benefits in the touring / concert industry (maybe I'm on the wrong list here) I need to get a better idea of the following : * What distances would be covered between consoles and lighting fixtures / dimmers ? * What sources of interference are they ? I was originally warned of the high levels of RF in a theatre which could affect wireless performance (on the frequency range that concerns me, microwaves in particular are a nightmare). * How many DMX channels are being used ? I realise this will differ quite a bit between venues / shows but a general idea would be helpful. * How widespread is it so far ? Have people being using it and if so what are any drawbacks / problems experienced ? Cheers, Simon N On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:57 -0600, Bll Conner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greg posted: "I would think it might be more cost effective in some > situations to just run cable to your lighting positions." > > Not from my experience. 4-10 jacks all in conduit and serial cable > installed versus a wireless transmitter? I switched to all wireless and all > Ethernet - no DMX except maybe in road houses - several years ago and no > that hey are all coming on line, it's terrific. My sales rep claimed that > even the materials cost for wireless - and these have all mostly been the > WiFi based systems with an Ipaq handheld - cost less. No install is all > extra savings. (One small facility just opening with ETC's radio frequency > based device.) > > Bill > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:33:14 GMT Subject: Re: Lister Talents Message-Id: <20050310.073406.11826.121447 [at] webmail17.lax.untd.com> So, has anyone placed this information on a Relational Database, such as MS Access, for us all to enjoy --err-- use as a research tool? /s/ Richard >Somehow this topic seems like it could get out of hand >quickly! You mean it hasn't already? -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050310154251.72317.qmail [at] web14626.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:42:51 -0800 (PST) From: David Carrico Subject: Metropolitan Opera Technical Department Internship. In-Reply-To: This ad was posted in ArtSearch last week. I thought I would post it here as well The Metropolitan Opera is seeking Technical Department Internship applicants for the 2005/06 season. The intern assists with photo documentation of new productions, research projects, and numerous office duties. Knowledge of photography and MS Word is helpful. This is a tremendous opportunity for exposure to the work of the world�s foremost designers in a fast paced, professional atmosphere. The one year internship includes a stipend and begins July 2005. Mail, email or fax cover letter, resume and references to: David Carrico, Technical Department, Metropolitan Opera Association, Lincoln Center, New York, NY 10023. Fax: (212) 870-4511 Email: dcarrico [at] mail.metopera.org AA/EOE/M/F/D/V Thanks, Dave Carrico __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:48:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bll Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:09 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >>Bruce Purdy posted: " I've been toying with the idea of a "DMX Pocket >>Console" Bill Conner added: >Recently I saw a device that - used with a cordless phone - provided >wireless rfu capability for a lot if not all consoles. As I recall, device >was several hundred dollars and of course the cordless phones are cheap - >$7 this week at Best Buy. This would seem infinitely more versatile and >more economical than any wired device. Eric Cornwell of West Side Systems has a device called a FocusPhone that serves as the interface to the phone. Here is the link to it on his website: http://www.westsidesystems.com/fp/focusphone.html It works with ETC Express/Expression, Obsessions, as well as Strand Series 300 through 550i and LightPalette 90 and miniLightpalette 90. Here is a description: Grab the FocusPhone handset and head up a ladder, into the ceiling, or wherever you need to work. Use the Touch-ToneR keypad to enter commands as if you were at the console. Bring up a channel, park a dimmer, go to a cue, take out a group. FocusPhone gives you total control for focusing, troubleshooting, or checking out your system. The FocusPhone uses a standard 900MHz cordless phone. The handset is lightweight, rechargeable, and best of all -- wireless! Yet it offers full control of your console with only a Touch-Tone keypad. Enter channel numbers and levels. Set multiple channels using "and" and "thru". Use groups. Run cues. Access dimmers. And after you have maxed out the more than a dozen built-in commands, run any of your pre-programmed console macros from the FocusPhone handset. HTH, Michael Eddy mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Costumers From: "Joshua Webb" References: In-Reply-To: This type of job is one of the reasons I gave up summer stock and happily hang my hat in the educational theatre realm. It seems that we in this business take a perverse pride in beating ourselves up, especially early in our careers. The reality is that we underpay and overwork our young technicians under the guise of "Training" them. In some way I think it's not a bad idea to weed out those who don't have the stomach for hard work, but I'm sure we all have horror stories about working 36-48hrs straight or putting in 100hr weeks for 125$ a week plus housing all so some random tourists can catch another production of The Sound of Music. I tend to steer my students towards reputable professional theatres for internships etc. That's not to say they won't be overworked there (one of my hardest jobs was with a big, well funded, musical theatre) but at least they are more likely to work with someone who can help them later on. My 2 cents. Joshua G. Webb Designer/Technical Director Worcester Academy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20050310075425.03ef2ec0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:56:52 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Lister Talents In-Reply-To: References: My very first job: putting the lead cork covers on wine bottles--one bottle at a time--for a small vineyard in Germany. Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003701c5258b$7275c5d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Peeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:08:50 -0800 > OK, since I started this thread, (maybe I should be sorry for that) I'll > be bringing some PEEPS with me to Toronto so that Stuart can see what they > are. Check in the Tech Expo area. Maybe we just distribute them > cunningly around the show floor and see who notices. :) Maybe listers could wear a PEEP proudly on the floor. Last year, the International Thespian Society Oregon state conference had the theme "Pirates of the Auditorium." Each school 'competes' with coming up with the best name/id badges, denoting their troupe. Our school did rubber duckies (with eyepatchs) perched on the students' shoulders. We won. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42307294.5020005 [at] lehigh.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:15:16 -0500 From: Heather Hillhouse-Deans Subject: Summer Trap Rebuild project Hi all- Before I ask more questions, thanks for all the responses on the rough cut (and green) lumber- the cupping caused more problems than the shrinking, but it ended working pretty well for what we wanted. As I sit here enjoying the quiet of spring break, I find myself pondering one of my larger summer projects- rebuilding the stage traps. I'm looking for what works, doesn't work, and any great suggestions you all may have.... What I was given: The trap area is an 8'1" deep x 16' wide area in the middle of our 3/4 thrust theatre. It was installed with 4x4 plugs sitting on top of three I beams- the first runs US/DS, on the center line. The other two bolt into the first one (they line up, so to even remove one side, you have to unbolt both of them, remove the one, then re-bolt the other one), and run from CS to SL and SR. All three of these bolt into larger I beams that support the 10" concrete slab that is the base for our floor- much lower that I really want to have to go with plugs, even if we were to re-configure the I-beam arrangement (we have a 2x4 and ply deck w/ little neoprene sleepers on top, so I have lots of ugly edges exposed, but at least it isn't solid concrete!). In other words, to have anything clear center stage, we had to remove the entire 8x16 area and replace it with custom plugs that sat on a 2x4 shelf attached to the DS and US sides of the concrete hole. The entire thing isn't exactly what I would call square or straight, so its always a little tricky to build pieces for it. What I have: I have taken out the I beams at the moment, and have little inclination to put them back in since it isn't a very user-friendly system, plus they are big, heavy, and awkward. I have built 2x8 framed (heavy) 4x8 plugs that rest on those 2x4s, intended to be temporary and not my final project, but I couldn't really leave a big hole in the center of the stage. What I want: Something durable, sturdy, and significantly more flexible than the original installation, and a better "shelf" into the concrete for the plugs to rest on. This is the department's space, so we don't have to worry about tours dropping really heavy stuff on it. There isn't usually a ton of scenery over the traps, but we roll a personnel lift across it fairly regularly, so I want it to be fairly beefy, and you never know what the next design will bring. I have several ideas, but I'd love to hear what you all have done or have inherited and how it worked, or didn't. Thanks- Heather Hillhouse-Deans Technical Director Zoellner Arts Center/Lehigh Univ. Dept of Theatre ------------------------------ Subject: ETC WRFU vs RRFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:19:49 -0800 Message-ID: <407DF7D68DD30440B5CEB70ED234D1CF06B2CE95 [at] excuswa100.americas.unity> From: "Cyr, Dale" i don't want to turn this into a ETC add, but considering a recent poll of how many of us use ETC, and considering that a local facility that I'm involved in is in the construction phase, and currently purchasing lighting equipment... what is it about the Wrfu that is incompatible with the express/ion consoles?=20 and, conversely, if the wrfu doesn't talk to express/ion consoles, what *does* it talk to, and, further, when will ETC *make* it talk to express/ion consoles? Sarah? dale cyr Training Supervisor IATSE Local 93 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Lister Talents Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:25:24 -0500 > So, has anyone placed this information on a Relational Database, such > as MS Access, for us all to enjoy --err-- use as a research tool? > /s/ Richard Is there anyone here that would have that kind of time, especially this time of year? Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Peeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:31:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Just to prove that one can have too much time on their hands, I submit: Lord of the Peeps. Check this site out: http://www.perpetualstroll.org/lotp/ Michael Eddy ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ETC WRFU vs RRFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:31:48 -0600 Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F2194BD12 [at] MIDL-MAILV.etclink.net> From: "Sarah Clausen" Hi Dale - The WRFU is an ETCNet2-native device, meaning it requires ETCNet2 protocols to work. The Express/ion consoles do not speak ETCNet2, therefore they're incompatible. There is currently no plan to make the WRFU ETCNet(1) compatible, so unless the Express/ion console in question is upgraded with Emphasis, your option for wireless control of those desks is through the RRFU. Express/ion consoles that are upgraded to Emphasis become ETCNet2-native devices (the Emphasis Server allows us to do that), so the WRFU and the RRFU are compatible with Emphasis systems. Hope that helps - Sarah Sarah Clausen Product Manager Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Cyr, Dale Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:20 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: ETC WRFU vs RRFU For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- i don't want to turn this into a ETC add, but considering a recent poll of how many of us use ETC, and considering that a local facility that I'm involved in is in the construction phase, and currently purchasing lighting equipment... what is it about the Wrfu that is incompatible with the express/ion consoles?=20 and, conversely, if the wrfu doesn't talk to express/ion consoles, what *does* it talk to, and, further, when will ETC *make* it talk to express/ion consoles? Sarah? dale cyr Training Supervisor IATSE Local 93 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:52:04 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: ETC WRFU vs RRFU Message-id: <42307B34.1BE2F155 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: "Cyr, Dale" wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > what is it about the Wrfu that is incompatible with the express/ion > consoles? > and, conversely, if the wrfu doesn't talk to express/ion consoles, > what *does* it talk to, > and, further, when will ETC *make* it talk to express/ion consoles? I believe the compatability lies in the DOS nature of the Obsession, and the Express(ion) consoles are not DOS driven. I make that leap based on the knowledge that both Obsession and LightPalette consoles are running DOS underneath and they're currently the lines that support WiFi connectivity. I'd think there would be some way to interface through Emphasis, since it adds the windows based server onto the Express(ion) line. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002d01c52595$6c27f540$8d01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bll Conner" From: "Bll Conner" Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:20:01 -0600 Oops! Me bad. The rfu I mentioned costs nearer $750. http://www.westsidesystems.com/ I have no hands on experience but would love to hear from someone that does. I don't know what an rfu or rrfu costs today but in a contract for an entire system installed, it may not be much more. Still, $750 plus a cordless phone is still less than a wired rfu and a half dozen jacks installed and wired. Plus this works where ever the console is located and where ever the rfu is within the limits of the cordless unit. Of course I'm almost always dealing with installations in new construction or major renovations so the install price is usually near half the cost of the system. If you look at just system cost and are content to run wire yourself or just long cords from the console - things may change. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002e01c52596$1a5509f0$8d01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bll Conner" From: "Bll Conner" Subject: Shamless commercial post Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:25:05 -0600 Dear Stagecraft posters: Some of you know but just thought I'd make an announcement that I have left my former employer and have formed a new company for theatre consulting. Don't look for my web site yet - still a little too soon for me to have that up with so many other things to do. Bill Conner Associates LLC 637 North Marion Street Oak Park, Illinois 60302 Office (708) 437 0505 Fax (708) 323-1118 Cell (708) 983 5792 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <12086421.1110477822864.JavaMail.root [at] wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:03:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: Peeeeeeps Mmmmm, but they're best when you open the package a week or so early and let them get a little tough and chewy! Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- Dry Peeps with salt wouldn't work I don't think, , ,, , : - ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:21:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Shamless commercial post From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Do you mean shamless or shameless? sjl > From: "Bll Conner" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:25:05 -0600 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Shamless commercial post > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Stagecraft posters: > > Some of you know but just thought I'd make an announcement that I have left > my former employer and have formed a new company for theatre consulting. > Don't look for my web site yet - still a little too soon for me to have that > up with so many other things to do. > > Bill Conner Associates LLC > 637 North Marion Street > Oak Park, Illinois 60302 > > Office (708) 437 0505 > Fax (708) 323-1118 > Cell (708) 983 5792 > > > ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2b.6e96e6fa.2f61ebad [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:27:57 EST Subject: Re: Shamless commercial post In a message dated 3/10/05 1:24:29 PM, tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes: << Do you mean shamless or shameless? sjl >> at least it wasn't chamois'less : - ) keith ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9f.5a84af0f.2f61ed60 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:35:12 EST Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU In a message dated 10/03/05 15:33:07 GMT Standard Time, nomis52 [at] westnet.com.au writes: > * What distances would be covered between consoles and lighting > fixtures / dimmers ? This depends on the size of the space. For a large theatre, several hundred feet is quite likely. > * What sources of interference are they ? I was originally warned of > the high levels of RF in a theatre which could affect wireless > performance (on the frequency range that concerns me, microwaves in > particular are a nightmare). The problem is far more usually poor transmission paths. Theatres have a lot of structural steelwork, which can create 'dead' spots. Stand in one place, and it's fine. Move a pace or two, and it's gone. Diversity receivers are a help, with well separated aerials. Badly designed dimmers can kick out a lot of RFI, although modern techniques and rules reduce the problems. But there are still a lot of older pieces of gear around, and the sharp edges their outputs have are bad news, particularly as the whole wiring acts as an aerial. > * How many DMX channels are being used ? I realise this will differ > quite a bit between venues / shows but a general idea would be helpful. 512 is usual. I know that this sounds a lot, but that's what moving lights do. One moving light may well need up to eleven channels. Perhaps more. Some DMX gear maintains the last valid state it received until it gets a new one, so losing one packet isn't usually a major problem. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42309416.8010703 [at] bu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:38:14 -0500 From: Nicholas Kuhl Subject: summer work I'm a college freshman looking for his first 'real' summer gig, and I'm not having much luck finding places that I'm interested in sending off resumes to. I've looked at backstagejobs.com, but too many of the places start too early and conflict with school, or have application deadlines that I've already missed. So, I was wondering if anyone on the list could recommend some places to apply to that will take on a freshmen tech production student as a carpenter (primarily) or sound tech. I got some recommendations from the faculty at school (Boston University), but those tend to have a lot of other folks from BU, and as much as I like everyone there, I would rather meet some new faces, and make new friends/contacts. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. -Nick Kuhl ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <89.22826d9f.2f61eeb8 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:40:56 EST Subject: Re: Lister Talents In a message dated 10/03/05 16:26:34 GMT Standard Time, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: > > So, has anyone placed this information on a Relational Database, such > > as MS Access, for us all to enjoy --err-- use as a research tool? > > /s/ Richard > > Is there anyone here that would have that kind of time, especially this > time of year? Well, we seem to have time for a lot of irrelevant, uninteresting, and incomprehensible posts on Peeeeps. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:41:52 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Message-id: <423094F0.42864ED7 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > * How many DMX channels are being used ? I realise this will differ > > quite a bit between venues / shows but a general idea would be helpful. > > 512 is usual. I know that this sounds a lot, but that's what moving lights > do. One moving light may well need up to eleven channels. Perhaps more. Some DMX > gear maintains the last valid state it received until it gets a new one, so > losing one packet isn't usually a major problem. 512 isn't that many any more. Nor is it that usual. Large venues can have 600-700 on dimmers alone (our proscenium house has 572 and it's not enough) and then MLs will chew up at least one more full universe, if not two. Smaller theatres can get by on 512. But many electricians and board-ops prefer to have the ability to use multiple universes even in these spaces. With only 160 dimmers in my arena theatre, I still run MLs and effects on a separate universe to make patching a little easier. I'd have to say that 3 universes (1526 devices) is probably a good middle-of-the-road number. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310115338.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:53:38 From: CB Subject: Video monitoring system >I was >hoping to mount four cameras, 2 in each space, and then have multiple places >through out the building to tap into those camera feeds. Send all four cameras to one central place and modulate them on different channels. Combine the channels (using a splitter in reverse) and then send that feed to an amplifier (depending on the length of the runs) and then distribute on 1 RG-6 cable (like on your cable TV). Let the user tune to whichever channel (camera) he prefers. Use the feeds for the monitoring system for audio inputs, and you can distribute backstage monitoring via the same cable. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310115754.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:57:54 From: CB Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU >We have an IR remote, which I agree is very handy. The only trouble is that >it needs to be line-of-sight to the receiver. You need IR repeaters , and , jsut to name a few. It'll make you life a bunch easier. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:03:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C74E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > 512 is usual. I know that this sounds a lot, but that's what moving=20 > > lights do. One moving light may well need up to eleven channels.=20 > > Perhaps more.=20 FWIW, Cyberlights use 20... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310120040.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:00:40 From: CB Subject: Re: Listers talents >Michael, if had had know of your last mentioned skills I could have >called you to give me a hand on Monday when I shipped cows to market! ...and that last skill applies to cows, how? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scott Boyle" Subject: RE: summer work Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:05:38 -0600 Organization: Carroll College Message-ID: <000c01c525a4$25731350$73db688c [at] cc.edu> In-Reply-To: Nick, First of all I have to commend you on wanting to stretch out and as you say seek out new faces. Too often students want to stay where they fell comfortable. I've always felt that working with different people was the best education you can receive. Everyone approached the job a little differently and it is a good way to find out what works best for you. Not knowing your background or your skill level I can't say whether a staff or an internship position would be right for you. As the TD for a summer stock theatre I'd say that it doesn't hurt to send out applications to the theatres you're interested in even if it is beyond their deadlines. It can't hurt to give people options. At least in my neck of the woods, good carpenters are scarce (everyone wants to be an electrician) and we have a hard time filling those positions. Applicants sometimes are either not right for the job or they take another job elsewhere. If nothing else you may get back an internship application if they've filled all of their staff positions. Check with your professors to see if they know of the theatres you're interested in. You don't want to find yourself in a position where you'll be in over your head. Scott M. Boyle Technical Director Department of Theatre Arts Carroll College 262-524-7308 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Nicholas Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:38 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: summer work For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm a college freshman looking for his first 'real' summer gig, and I'm not having much luck finding places that I'm interested in sending off resumes to. I've looked at backstagejobs.com, but too many of the places start too early and conflict with school, or have application deadlines that I've already missed. So, I was wondering if anyone on the list could recommend some places to apply to that will take on a freshmen tech production student as a carpenter (primarily) or sound tech. I got some recommendations from the faculty at school (Boston University), but those tend to have a lot of other folks from BU, and as much as I like everyone there, I would rather meet some new faces, and make new friends/contacts. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. -Nick Kuhl ------------------------------ From: "James Smith, www.theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: Listers talents Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:22:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050310192226.RIQU1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > >Michael, if had had know of your last mentioned skills I could have > >called you to give me a hand on Monday when I shipped cows to market! > > ...and that last skill applies to cows, how? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Here we go with more Bull.... Jim ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310122602.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:26:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Video monitoring system >The RF output of the 'combiner' is then amplified and distributed to all >monitoring locations... Change the channel to view whatever camera you want >to see... Great minds, etc. Yup, I think your method of modulating at the camera is much better, depending on the distance from cameras to the 'central location' of the combiner. A hundred footer would be about the limit I'd like to run an RG-59 for baseband video, 150' -200' for Belden 8281 or better. If you plan on running something you bought from Best Buy or Rat Shack, all bets are off... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310123211.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:32:11 From: CB Subject: RE: Listers talents >For whatever reason, tropical fish live long and fruitful lives for me -- >I've got a 38-gallon tank and a real knack for fish water chemistry. >All I need now is buckets of disposable >income to pump into decorative fish. >Other fun stuff - digital photography, cooking (including fish), heh. heh-heh...heh-heh-heh-heh. Ha-ha-ha... HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW! (Sometimes I'm so sick and twisted I make myself laugh...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:41:34 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU Message-id: <4230A2EE.FF0C5481 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > 512 is usual. I know that this sounds a lot, but that's what moving > > > lights do. One moving light may well need up to eleven channels. > > > Perhaps more. > > FWIW, Cyberlights use 20... And the ETC Revolution uses 31. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310123939.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Video monitoring system >If you say so. Me, I borrow a phrase from Anne McCaffrey. Just to put things intoperspective, Anne writes fiction about dragons, and the people who raise and ride them, right? Show of hands, has anybody here ever SEEN what they use to distribute video for theatre nowadays? I've got better gear gathering dust in my yard right now than most theatres and travelling shows have to show you what's happening on stage. BTW, if you need a stereo 104.1 modulator, I got one that'd go cheap! The methods that Carla and I suggested wouldn't stand up to broadcast standards, but they wouldn't come too far away. And, if termination is your worry, you can pick up 75 Ohm terminators for 'F' connections for about a buck a piece, at the most. If you buy a bag of twenty, it'll cost ya eight bucks! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310124517.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:45:17 From: CB Subject: Re: Video monitoring system > Still not an inexpensive solution. Most of the low-cost >modulators I've seen only allow output on Channels 3 and 4. One on e-bay right now at $24.99, and another with a buy it now under $60. It could be done fairly inexpensively. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:51:16 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: summer work Message-id: <4230A534.2A44FF00 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Nicholas Kuhl wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I'm a college freshman looking for his first 'real' summer gig, and I'm > not having much luck finding places that I'm interested in sending off > resumes to. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Well, I'd say your first step is to ignore the deadlines and send resumes to those places anyway. They might not have received enough carpentry applicants this year or someone might have backed out at the last minute. "Too Late" doesn't kick in until the first show is loaded in. Worst case scenario is you lose $.37. (Less if you send in a PDF). Secondly, decide where you will be geographically and let companies in that area know that you'll be available for overhire work throughout the summer. We had a student pick up substantial work at Williamstown as an overhire carpenter last summer just by being nearby when they needed more hands. Finally, many IA locals are willing to put students on the call list for the summer. Call the business office of your local local (?) and let them know you're a student who's interested in learning more about that end of theatre. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050310125028.016ec298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:50:28 From: CB Subject: Peeeeeps >I thought sugar high's in children had been completely debunked; is there >some > consensus again that they occur ? Yes, And as a devoted Uncle, as I recall, they are just before you utter the phrase, "I think he wants his mommy." microwaved Peeps must be disposed of properly. Wrap them in a Hershey bar and chew thoroughly. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:02:19 -0500 Subject: Electricians needed From: Herrick Goldman Cc: joe [at] jkld.com (Joe Saint) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c525a1$92e6aa80$1100a8c0 [at] JOESDESKTOP> ------ Forwarded Message From: Joe Saint jkld incorporated is seeking five different electricians to do some in-store lighting work at five Calvin Klein outlet mall stores. In each store, we will be focussing existing tracklights for about 3 hours at a time. The first store is on Tuesday, March 22nd in Napa, CA. The second one is on Tuesday, April 5th in St. Augustine, FL. The third one is on Tuesday, April 12th in Woodburn, OR. The fourth one is on Tuesday, April 26th in Johnson Creek, WI. The last one is on Tuesday, May 3rd in Tulalip, WA. The start time of each job will vary depending on our travel arrangements from NYC. Most of the time, we will focus in the afternoon or early evening. In some cases, the focus could be shifted to the following day if circumstances require (either on our end, CK's end, or the electrician end). The pay is $20 per hour and will cover travel time in addition to focus time. No equipment needed, although gloves are useful, and the only skill you need is the ability/willingess to carry and climb a 10' ladder many, many times. There are typically about 300 tracklights in any given store, generally on 4' centers so it means about 150 climbs up the 3-4 steps of the ladder. If you are interested/available, please call Joe Saint at 212-226-2075 or send him an e-mail at joe [at] jkld.com. Joe Saint Vice-President jkld incorporated www.jkld.com 212-226-2075 ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Peeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:07:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All the moreso since the lumber, pharmaceutical and the deaths of four CMP. doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:02 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Peeeeps For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Yes. There are limits for alcohol. 40 oz maximum of spirits. 200 max cigarettes. Methinks those are the most common. Trey Haagen Arnold Hall Theatre USAF Academy -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen E. Rees Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 07:55 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Peeeeps For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Jeez, I thought if they were personal use and not for resale, that would not be an issue. Are there quantity limits like for alcohol and tobacco products? Are there daily quotas? Steve Bill Sapsis wrote: > Careful. You don't want to get caught smuggling peeps across the > border. > > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <18AD8BBB-91A2-11D9-8FF8-000D932DED52 [at] goldrushbc.com> From: Richard Wright Subject: Re: Listers talents Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:22:16 -0800 Chris; You wrote: > > ...and that last skill applies to cows, how? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ Michael said: > Worked on farms as a kid, and can still ride, mend fence, buck hay > bales > (which are actually coming back, amazingly enough), operate most farm > equipment, and castrate cattle. So, his last skills, as I read them are related to cattle and farm/ranch work. ("Cows" is often used where I come from as a generic term -- ie; "we'll move the cows" or "we'll ship the cows", not "we'll ship the cows, calves, bulls, steers, heifers, dry cows and ..." And, as Michael will know, an extra hand during shipping is always useful. Now, back to theatre work--sorry for the diversion. Richard Wright > >> Michael, if had had know of your last mentioned skills I could have >> called you to give me a hand on Monday when I shipped cows to market! > ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:26:28 -0500 Subject: Re: summer work From: "Joshua Webb" References:

In-Reply-To: Has NETC occured already? If I recall it's usually in March at Tufts so you should be able to get there no problem. There are usually a bunch of small stock companies there. Joshua G. Webb Designer/Technical Director Worcester Academy ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Peeeeeps From: "Joshua Webb" References: In-Reply-To: As someone who has the occasional misfortune to TD for middle school theatre I can tell you sugar highs do exist. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: summer work Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C74F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Has NETC occured already? If I recall it's usually in March=20 > at Tufts so you should be able to get there no problem. There=20 > are usually a bunch of small stock companies there. Speaking of, I'm curious...how is NETC these days? It's been years since I've had the reason/opportunity to go there, but as I recall the whole conference (and the job contact part of it) paled in comparison with SETC. Has it gotten any better? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4230B011.7050401 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:37:37 -0600 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Peeeeeps References:

In-Reply-To: > As someone who has the occasional misfortune to TD for middle school > theatre I can tell you sugar highs do exist. Also... Try working with some young teens after they ingest 47 (the local record) Pixie Sticks simultaneously. And for the love... do NOT snort them. Yum. Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4230B0BE.2070101 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:40:30 -0600 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Peeeeeps References:

In-Reply-To: > As someone who has the occasional misfortune to TD for middle school > theatre I can tell you sugar highs do exist. Sorry to beat a dead horse, as they say, but... Also telling to me, but in a different way: My wife, a first grade public school teacher, swears sugar highs exist. My mother-in-law, an assistant superintendant, SWEARS sugar highs do not. Neither are budging. I just watch :-) Shawn P. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE3902625DEF8 [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: RE: Peeeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:50:04 -0600 Back in the day, doing Community Theatre, Shawn and myself got by on gallons of Mountain Dew and buckets of orange slices. My eyes are still vibrating! Pat Immel Northwest Missouri State University > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Palmer [mailto:shawnp [at] northnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:38 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Peeeeeps > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > As someone who has the occasional misfortune to TD for > middle school > > theatre I can tell you sugar highs do exist. > > Also... > > Try working with some young teens after they ingest 47 (the local > record) Pixie Sticks simultaneously. And for the love... do > NOT snort them. > > Yum. > > Shawn Palmer > Neenah, WI > USA > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050310220347.54135.qmail [at] web41208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Harrison Subject: video In-Reply-To: I'm I missing something here. Why all the talk about pulling cable, splitters, modulators? we have a transmitter that plugs into the video camera and the reciever plugs into a tv in the back room. Waa Laa we get a great picture, no wires no fuss no muss. I don't know but, I would bet you could get 4 recievers on the same frequency. If you need the name I will go look on the stuff. My 2cents Roger Harrison TD Aztec High School Aztec New Mexico __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003201c525bc$62eff6e0$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" References: Subject: Re: Peeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:59:06 -0500 Why bother smuggling? Just buy them here in Canada. We have peeps too, ya know :) Chad Bill Sapsis said: > > > Careful. You don't want to get caught smuggling peeps across the border. > > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride > http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: video Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:38 -0500 Nine different cameras going to some 20 or 30 monitors (or more) over 4 different floors and at opposite ends of the building. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: Roger Harrison [mailto:rocky082259 [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:04 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: video For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm I missing something here. Why all the talk about pulling cable, splitters, modulators? we have a transmitter that plugs into the video camera and the reciever plugs into a tv in the back room. Waa Laa we get a great picture, no wires no fuss no muss. I don't know but, I would bet you could get 4 recievers on the same frequency. If you need the name I will go look on the stuff. My 2cents Roger Harrison TD Aztec High School Aztec New Mexico __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19d.2f43f75c.2f622880 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:47:28 EST Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU In a message dated 10/03/05 19:03:53 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > > > 512 is usual. I know that this sounds a lot, but that's what moving > > > lights do. One moving light may well need up to eleven channels. > > > Perhaps more. > > FWIW, Cyberlights use 20... Ouch! What do they do with them all? Brightness, coarse and fine pan, tilt, zoom, and focus. Colour change makes one more. After that, I suppose you're into gobo selectors and rotators. But I still can't count twenty. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12d.57ee07cc.2f622984 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:51:48 EST Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU In a message dated 10/03/05 19:42:36 GMT Standard Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > > > > 512 is usual. I know that this sounds a lot, but that's what moving > > > > lights do. One moving light may well need up to eleven channels. > > > > Perhaps more. > > > > FWIW, Cyberlights use 20... > > And the ETC Revolution uses 31. Gordon Bennett! What for? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:06:13 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU In-reply-to: Message-id: <1796.172.131.29.16.1110495973.squirrel [at] 172.131.29.16> References: >> > FWIW, Cyberlights use 20... >> >> And the ETC Revolution uses 31. > > Gordon Bennett! What for? The spec sheet is available on the ETC website (www.etcconnect.com) but in short it takes a lot of channels to control shutters. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:07:55 -0500 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Peeeeeps In-Reply-To: References:

> As someone who has the occasional misfortune to TD for middle school > theatre I can tell you sugar highs do exist. > As a parent of 7 and 4 yr old girls (and an 11 month old boy), I completely agree that sugar highs exist. Brian Munroe ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.377c2eb6.2f622dab [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:09:31 EST Subject: Re: Video monitoring system In a message dated 10/03/05 19:43:25 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >If you say so. Me, I borrow a phrase from Anne McCaffrey. > > Just to put things intoperspective, Anne writes fiction about dragons, and > the people who raise and ride them, right? Not always. Look into the 'brainship' series. "The Ship who Sang", "Partnership", "The Ship who Searched", "The City who Fought", and "The City who Won". There may be others, and this is where my quote comes from. > Show of hands, has anybody here ever SEEN what they use to distribute video > for theatre nowadays? I've got better gear gathering dust in my yard right > now than most theatres and travelling shows have to show you what's > happening on stage I'm not surprised. Not many people know how to do it right. It's a lot trickier than audio. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.37c92f9a.2f622f30 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:16:00 EST Subject: Re: video In a message dated 10/03/05 22:04:45 GMT Standard Time, rocky082259 [at] yahoo.com writes: > > I'm I missing something here. Why all the talk about > pulling cable, splitters, modulators? we have a > transmitter that plugs into the video camera and the > reciever plugs into a tv in the back room. Waa Laa we > get a great picture, no wires no fuss no muss. I don't > know but, I would bet you could get 4 recievers on the > same frequency. If you need the name I will go look > on the stuff. Ity's one way to go.But I don't think it's the way athe original poster wanted to go. I may be wrong. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4230D566.5070505 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:16:54 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Peeeeeps References:

In-Reply-To: Brian Munroe wrote: >>As someone who has the occasional misfortune to TD for middle school >>theatre I can tell you sugar highs do exist. > As a parent of 7 and 4 yr old girls (and an 11 month old boy), I > completely agree that sugar highs exist. Hell, as a 55-year-old who can get a buzz of an after-lunch Snickers bar, *I* believe sugar highs exist. As do the subsequent sugar crashes. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:20:07 EST Subject: Re: video In a message dated 10/03/05 22:32:02 GMT Standard Time, WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU writes: > > Nine different cameras going to some 20 or 30 monitors (or more) over 4 > different floors and at opposite ends of the building. Fine. How did you do it? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Listers talents Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:33:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" Herrick Goldman Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com wrote: <> <> Heck, Herrick, I got cowboy boots older than that! See, this is what happens when you have a short attention span... The cool thing is that you sometimes get to learn this stuff as part of the job, and it kind of builds on itself - my first professional shop paid for my EMT ticket *and* most of the coursework that let me get the loadmaster cert and the confined space rescue qualification...that let me work with the urban heavy lift boys.... ...the whole thing with Tae Kwon Do was a long period in Korea with an interpreter who had been teaching in local dojangs *and* for the Army. Since there wasn't much else to do in Taejon, my art director and I took class daily... (Rich - I ended up with a 1st Dan. Mr. Cheil was actually ITF. I never looked into what it would take to get back into the sport here in the US as I never really found a dojang in LA that I liked.) Michael Finney ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4149c3c13f485d9723a1f01dc7967ce9 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Peeeeeps Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:36:36 -0500 > microwaved Peeps must be disposed of properly. Wrap them in a Hershey > bar > and chew thoroughly. then lay on a bed of graham crackers. Mmmmmm! Now you got me all hungry for smore's. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008701c525fb$3c8c8bf0$4fe3490c [at] briansbyukf8iv> From: "Brian D Shipinski" References: Subject: Listers Talents Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:29:01 -0600 Field Artillery, most NATO and PAC small arms, and Weapons of Mass Destruction is what I once listed amongst other trainings on my resume for specialized training or talents. (More attach the 50' lanyard, plus the other shorter one, and any other pieces of rope you can to the lanyard, and fire the gun from the back of the truck as it drove away as fast as possible in firing a tactical nuke. Something about blast dia. over that of range given this un-official but official rule about firing such a round.) It in addition to the career goals section of "to become a world famous designer (not likely) or the grumpy old man of the theater" set up for an interesting interview last time I applied for a job given other more useful qualifications to also discuss and toys I created, drawings and photos to see I brought with me for limited show and tell. Best way to interview, na. but worked for me given I had some really cool hack that later became my job on a larger budget. Response: we already have a "grumpy old man," but will see about the rest. Turns out while not old, there was room for more than one in replacing "grumpy" with "grumpy lite" and giving "grumpy" someone to talk to in making him less so. My next resume... this last one was in changing from carpentry to lighting for career. I hope I never need to draw up another one, much less won't need one in finding future work should it ever become necessary which I rely upon will not. Never heard of the place before applying and fell ass backwards into the position but started to love it once I got out of the slinging cable aisle. A few years later I gave up on some cushy TD position where I could slam the door and break the glass in it for expression type of job when useful for statement. Brian Shipinski ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:38:53 +0000 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Glasgow >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >>The way the pound is to the dollar I wouldn't even think about consumer >>electronics they will be way too expensive. >> There is nothing wrong with renting a car >>if you can get the hang of driving on the proper side of the road (that is >>the left, of course) but public transport is adequate. > >The electronics are for a person who will be living there, and she won't >survive without a decent TV and stereo, and the usual household appliances. > As far as the expens goes, the car looks like it'll be $250 minimum for a >week, nad if the public transport is adequate, to heck with that! Anyone >in Glasgow that has a beater that they could turn loose of for a week for >about $100 USD and a bottle of whisky, I can drive on either side, as my >driving record in the US can attest (just kidding, I already have an >international license, well-worn). > >> If you have time go >>to one of the nearby islands such as Islay or Jura to taste the finest malt >>whisky in the world at one of the distilleries. > >Like that wasn't already on my list! ; > > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > >Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates >negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... 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