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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #330

 1. Re: Living Wage WAS: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU
    by Sunil Rajan <squeakypig [at] earthlink.net>
 2. Re: Color Codes
    by "Chris Summers" <chsummers [at] hotmail.com>
 3. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU
    by "Tony" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>

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From: Sunil Rajan <squeakypig [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Living Wage WAS: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:04:03 -0500


On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote:

>  Frank, have you ever spent much time working with
> moving lights?  Even a single unit?  I don't mean just looking at one
> running a "flash and trash" demo at a trade show


of the talk of designing Industrials/Trade Shows, and abominable 
theatre wages, bear in mind that the LOWEST person on the totem pole 
for that trade show (probably the assistant to the assistant designer 
for said "flash and trash") probably made more in a DAY than the poor 
staff member who gets paid $300/wk + housing!!  It's no wonder no one 
wants to do theatre anymore!  Why would I want to design or work on a 
theatrical piece (that may be artistically/intellectually incredible), 
putting in  72+ hr weeks (for probably at least 3-4 weeks), when I can 
make the same amount if not MORE, for a few days of crappy industrial 
work?
Flash and Trash pays, and pays WELL!

my 2 grumpy cents...

Sunil Rajan
Freelance Audio Mercenary


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From: "Chris Summers" <chsummers [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Color Codes
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:06:27 -0500

The one benefit to creating your own is that you don't get confused when you 
(or someonelse) sorts between your cable and rented or borrowed cable.

Just my thoughts,

Chris Summers

>From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" <JKanyuck [at] Harford.edu>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Color Codes
>Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:20:31 -0500
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>Hello All,
>     I was trying to find the archive for it and for some reason can't
>access it.
>  I'm looking for the color codes that the list had come up with for
>lengths of cables and lighting lens degrees.
>Were they different than other color codes the USITT or other such
>official groups are giving as standards?
>I want to try to get the college to conform to what the nation seems to
>generally be using, versus what they are using now.
>
>Jeff Kanyuck
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Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:55:21 -0000


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FrankWood95 [at] aol.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU


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>
> In a message dated 14/03/05 19:17:10 GMT Standard Time,
FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
> writes:
>
> > >  Point in fact:  The fact that you can reach any of your instruments
in
> >  >  fifteen seconds helps us not one whit.  Even if we could, we would
> >  >  sometimes like to use the automation to change the shutters, color,
> gobo,
> >  >  gobo rotation, focus or someother parameter faster than fifteen
seconds.
>
> I missed this one in my previous post. It is not 'automation'.. It needs
> exact programming by the LD. Once that has been done, it will do what it
has been
> told. But, 20 or 30 parameters!  It's easier to walk to the luminaire and
> adjust it, or to rig another. For me, at least. If you have to play with
> cherry-pickers, maybe not.
>
>
>
> Frank Wood

Frank

All this, and your other replies, do is show us (again) that you know not of
what you speak! As usual!

If you have a complex show that needs a wide variety of specials in
different places, then a handful of movers can and DOES present an easy
alternative to lots of conventionals.

If you need 5 pairs of gobos at 5 different locations in the first act, with
the SAME 5 gobos on 5 different locations on stage with different colour in
act 2, then can you not see that using just TWO properly equipped and
positioned movers will save you hiring (and hanging/pointing/gelling) TWENTY
profiles??? OK - that's an exaggerated example, but potentially not that far
out of likelihood!
And when you consider that those 2 movers can also be used to fill an area
that maybe needs an extra lift from time to time (ie use it as a fixed
position conventional type source, but just position it when dark) then
that's another bonus.
Yes, the movers are nice for flashy effects, but if you ever took the time
to actually LOOK at what many are used for in real theatre, Frank, you'd
likely see that movement whilst lit is quite often the least of the
parameters used in theatre design! I only have a small number in our
theatre, but the two goldenscans we have sitting full-time FOH were used
quite a lot in the January panto this year - but you only actually SAW them
move in ONE scene. The rest of the time I complemented the conventional rig
with colour lifts, or fixed spots, or static gobos etc. The only time they
moved was during a walk-across the auditorium floor (otherwise unlit) where
I followed a pre-ordained path that one performer took. Using the goldies as
follow spots (the follows weren't being used at all) I then managed to a)
save myself the need to hang & focus probably 4 lanterns to do that job, and
b) made that portion of the show look a little different.

So, Frank, Speak NOT of what you know not, and please stop trying to
denigrate that which thousands of experienced LD's DO know and use daily in
a cheap attempt to make yourself look more knowledgable than you undoubtedly
are!!!

Ynot
>



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