Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 21565787; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:00:37 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #349 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:00:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, WORK_AT_HOME autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #349 1. Student Survey by Omar Rasheed Sharief 2. Re: Batteries by Jason Tollefson 3. Re: Batteries + discrimination by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" 4. Re: Gun Safety by "Jon Ares" 5. Olde Tyme Dimmers (was Re: Photos of electrical practice) by Michael Powers 6. Re: Gun Safety by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: Gun Safety by "Michael S. Eddy" 8. Re: Olde Tyme Dimmers by Mike Brubaker 9. Re: Gun Safety by Greg Bierly 10. Re: LED strobes by "Karl G. Ruling" 11. aisle lights by Gregg Carville 12. Re: aisle lights by "Scheu Consulting Services" 13. Re: aisle lights by John McKernon 14. Re: A/C Power Cable / Name that Amperage by "Joe Golden" 15. Re: aisle lights by Mike Brubaker 16. Re: Razor wire by "Paul Guncheon" 17. Re: Stage Blood Redux by "Paul Guncheon" 18. Re: Photos of electrical practice by "Paul Guncheon" 19. Re: aisle lights by Samuel Jones 20. Re: aisle lights by Ford H Sellers 21. Gun Safety by CB 22. Re: A/C Power Cable / Name that Amperage by CB 23. Re: aisle lights by Samuel Jones 24. I'm back by Jerry Dougherty 25. Re: aisle lights by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 26. Re: aisle lights by Mike Brubaker 27. Re: aisle lights by Samuel Jones 28. Re: aisle lights by Stephen Litterst 29. Re: aisle lights by "Scheu Consulting Services" 30. Gun Safety by CB 31. Re: aisle lights by Mike Brubaker 32. Re: aisle lights by Gregg Carville 33. Re: aisle lights by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 34. Re: aisle lights by "Steve B." 35. Intelligence Report by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 36. teflon ice by Bill Schaffell 37. Re: teflon ice by IAEG [at] aol.com 38. Re: Teflon ice by "Paul H. Sullivan" 39. Re: Photos of electrical practice by Sunil Rajan 40. Re: Razor wire by "Occy" 41. Re: Photos of electrical practice by Greg Bierly 42. Re: Photos of electrical practice by Greg Bierly 43. Re: aisle lights by Stuart Wheaton 44. Re: Gun Safety by Greg Bierly 45. Re: Gun Safety by Greg Bierly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omar Rasheed Sharief Message-ID: <2923d429445b.29445b2923d4 [at] imap.georgetown.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:04:48 -0500 Subject: Student Survey I am a student at Georgetown University and we are currently upgrading ou= r theater department=2E I have been granted the opportunity to help with= this project=2E I am doing a survey to to try and get people=27s opinio= ns on certain tools so that we can make a decision on what to get for our= new development=2E It would be a great help if you could complete the s= urvey and to me personally instead of the entire list because I need to g= ather the information and I don=27t want to clutter up the digest list wi= th the survey=2E Thank You=2E When filling out the survey please consider the following items=2C = table saws radial arm saws Panel saws mig/tig welders Please complete the survey for each of the tools that you are familiar wi= th=2E FFE Survey 1=2E What name brand do you use=3F 2=2E How long have you had this item=3F 3=2E What after market add-ons do you have for the tool=3F 4=2E What did you have prior to purchasing this particular item=3F 5=2E How do you feel about the purchase=3F Was it worth it=3F = 6=2E If you had it to do all over again=2C would you purchase another pro= duct another item=3F If so=2C which one=3F 7=2E If there could be any upgrades made to the product=2C what suggestio= ns would you make=3F 8=2E What kind of maintenance costs have you incurred=3F Please Explain=2E= Give examples and be specific 9=2E What other products were you considering=3F Why didn=92t you buy th= em=3F 10=2E How is maintenance=3F Since you=92ve had it how often has it malfu= nctioned or has it ever had to be sent off for maintenance=3F If so=2C t= hen how many times=3F 11=2E How user friendly is it=3F 12=2E On a scale from 1 to 5 rate the product on the following=3A =B7 Versatility 1 2 3 4 5 =B7 Value 1 2 3 4 5 =B7 Ease of use 1 2 3 4 5 =B7 Maintenance 1 2 3 4 5 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050331134423.47358.qmail [at] web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:44:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: Batteries In-Reply-To: > Why beat up on Asia and suggest that it's the source of junk? Junk > is made all over the world--and good stuff, too. My Dell laptop, > including the original battery, was made in Asia. so... what side of this discussion are you coming down on? Jason Tollefson www.tollefsondesigns.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: Batteries + discrimination Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:06:05 -0500 Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050331140611.ZBKY27737.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > so... what side of this discussion are you coming down on? I think Karl was "coming down" on the discriminatory side -- and rightly so in my opinion. One thread suggests people in another country are ignorant, perhaps even crooks. Meanwhile, we also have a thread collecting pictures of dumb electrical work often done here, and a recurring thread about the legitimacy of certain patents held by US entities. These are home-grown problems that can cost lives and livelihoods. We do not import all our problems, and we certainly do import some pretty good stuff! I'll shut up now. :) Jim ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c535ff$5fe51b30$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Gun Safety Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:38:59 -0800 > We've discussed this many times. www.comcast.net has a video of a gun > safety lecture that goes wrong. > Click on the Fan Video section. When that opens do a search for DEA > Agent. Does anyone have a link to this somewhere where you don't have to be a Comcast registered customer?? -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <424C0C2E.2070208 [at] theater.umass.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:41:50 -0500 From: Michael Powers Subject: Olde Tyme Dimmers (was Re: Photos of electrical practice) "C. Dopher" .................... I did, however, build a saltwater dimmer once, just to see if the history books were true. They were.............. Chris, Back in 1953 my mother was working for the March of Dimes touring with a small presentation, a skit and a film about polio. I built and operated a small 4 "dimmer" pack using 1 quart milk bottles as the containers. We dumped the water each time and refilled at the next stop. Our Lighting equipment was R lamps and a porcelain socket in a 3 lb coffee can. My how times have changed. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Amherst 112 FAC West Amherst, Ma. 01003 413-545-6821 Voice 413-577-0025 Fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Gun Safety Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:46:25 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C798 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > We've discussed this many times. www.comcast.net has a=20 > video of a gun > > safety lecture that goes wrong. > > Does anyone have a link to this somewhere where you don't=20 > have to be a=20 > Comcast registered customer?? http://www.compfused.com/directlink/680/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Gun Safety Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:52:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: > We've discussed this many times. www.comcast.net has a video of a gun > safety lecture that goes wrong. > Click on the Fan Video section. When that opens do a search for DEA > Agent. Does anyone have a link to this somewhere where you don't have to be a Comcast registered customer?? Jon, Google turns up a lot of sites when you look for DEA Agent Gun Safety. Here is Snopes page on it with links to sites with the video: http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp It was originally a CBS video. I had to wipe the coffee off my monitor after watching this one! Michael Eddy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050331095550.01cfd7f0 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:00:22 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Olde Tyme Dimmers In-Reply-To: References: The National Theatre of Peru in Lima used saltwater dimming until around 1999 or so, I believe. A caution to anyone thinking of attempting the experiment--keep in mind that the byproducts of electrolisys (sp?) are oxygen and hydrogen. Ventilation is a VERY good idea. Saltwater dimming does work--actually surprisingly well. Safety, on the other hand, is a completely different issue. And they don't control moving lights very well. Mike >"C. Dopher" > >.................... >I did, however, build a saltwater dimmer once, just to see if the history >books were true. They were.............. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Gun Safety Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:03:37 -0500 I found a couple, but the best one I found was at www.compfused.com/directlink/680/ The site was blocked at school but worked at home. (google search "dea shot leg") CBS news and their local affiliates had some lower res copies. One even had subtitles. apparently the agent that shot himself is/was an undercover officer and has been compromised. There are lawsuits now pending since I believe this happened a year ago. I am still trying to figure out why you would send an undercover officer to do a public presentation AND let it be video taped. Not to laugh at others misfortunes BUT it is ironic he shoots himself as soon as he finishes saying he is the only one in the room professional enough to carry a Glock 40.... BANG! Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:05:37 -0500 Subject: Re: LED strobes Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <424BCB71.423.40721B [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > > Shifting the topic to LEDs, I'm curious if LEDs are bright enough to > be used as strobe lights, and if they respond fast enough. Anybody > tried it yet? The commercial LED luminaires I have seen at trade shows are very bright, particularly if you are staring at them. In that case, they can be painfully bright. The response time can be instantaneous. Some of the products on the market have circuitry to slow the response to avoid visible stepping during fades when fed level information with 8-bit resolution, but this circuitry usually can be defeated to allow the display of video images on arrays of LED luminaires and fast strobe effects. Ramsey Electronics makes a little strobe kit that uses an array of LEDs. It's a simple strobe, similar to lots of inexpensive party strobes on the market, except that it uses LEDs rather than a glass flash tube (better if your parties are a little wild!) and it's a kit. You can check it out at http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi- bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=LEDS1C. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e151605033107441ba7c84a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:57 -0500 From: Gregg Carville Reply-To: Gregg Carville Subject: aisle lights Once more the age old issue of aisle lights during a performance has come up. The production staff has said that they can not be turned out (which I agree with 100%) My question is: What is the level of illumination required? I have looked at my local city ordinances to no avail, and am trying to work my way through the city beauracracy to talk with someone (no luck yet) Anyone know of any measurements that can be done to set a level? Is it plausible to change the level of the aisle lights during the performance? Currently we have a show that starts of moderately lit - so the aisle lights are bright and that is fine. Then the show gets very very dark - often only 1 or 2 fixtures on at a time. So the eye opens and the aisle lights become the brightest thing in the space. So we would like to dim them, figuring if your eye is adjusted for the lights, then they are adjusted for the aisle lights as well. Then we would go back to the bright level for intermission and again change as we go into the darker cues during the 2nd act. Any thoughts. I know that we are dealing with a huge liability issue and that is being discussed with various admin types. Any resources on either National code or a way to find out from local people who don't know what a theater is, that would be very helpful. (FWIW apparently you have to buy copies of the NFPA? seems counter productive) thank you, Gregg -- Gregg Carville Lighting Designer ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:53:08 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000b01c53609$bc2bf490$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: Gregg Carville wrote: >Once more the age old issue of aisle lights during a=20 >performance has come up. The production staff has said that=20 >they can not be turned out (which I agree with 100%) > >My question is: What is the level of illumination required? NFPA Section 101, Chapter 5, code 5-8.1.3 exception states "In assembly occupancies, the illumination of the floors of exit access shall be at = least 0.2 ft-candle (2 lux) during periods of performances or projection = involving direct light." (5-8.1.1 states "exit access shall include only = designated ..., aisles, corridors, ramps, .... and passageways leading to an = exit.") Does this help? Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:04:57 -0500 Subject: Re: aisle lights From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I have looked at my local city ordinances to no avail, and am trying > to work my way through the city beauracracy to talk with someone (no > luck yet) Either your local building department or the fire department should have the answer. They will have a minimum footcandle level for you. - John ------------------------------ Subject: RE: A/C Power Cable / Name that Amperage Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:15:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" There are two versions of speakon style connectors called PowerCon that are rated for main power. http://www.neutrik.com/content/products/products_group.asp?level2id=3D204= _ 54471 HTH Joe > Greg writes: > >...edison to speakon.........power/speaker cable. >=20 > The audio team here has a set of "new" powered speakers that=20 > came with=20 > speakons to supply the mains power. =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050331110441.01e63b50 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:20:34 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: aisle lights In-Reply-To: References: Gregg, Peter Scheu answered the level question already. Keep in mind, though, that depending on where you are, different codes apply. Among others: NFPA 101 International Building Code Uniform Building Code Standard Building Code BOCA On top of that selection, they are revised every three years or so (except for the last three--UBC, SBC, and BOCA were merged to create the IBC). States adopt the codes, but do not necessarily have the newest in effect. Up until a couple of years ago, for example, I believe Illinois was under a 1980s BOCA. Generally, a quick search of your state's web site will churn up which code is used by the state. All of these organizations are in the *business of publishing* these codes. Hence the reason that you have to buy them. They are not written by governments--they are adopted by them. Mike At 10:44 AM 3/31/2005, Gregg Carville wrote: >My question is: What is the level of illumination required? >(FWIW apparently you have to buy copies of the NFPA? seems counter >productive) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:58:13 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Razor wire Message-id: <002d01c53613$c4d30750$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: I don't know of any commercial source but if I were to make it, I would use 1/8" - 1/4" plastic tubing, slit every few inches and a plastic "razor" inserted and glues in place. I would probably cut them from plastic playing cards. < Subject: Re: Stage Blood Redux Message-id: <002e01c53613$c56e0ed0$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: Ther are a slew of stage blood recips... if the archives don't work, try Google. MOst of them willp robably require immediate soaking in water to prevent staining but will probably still tint garments over time. If twer' I, I would try developing a recipe using red toothpaste. Laters, Paul "I was completely exonerated," said Tom clearly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:17:41 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Photos of electrical practice Message-id: <002f01c53615$8c12c2a0$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> erm... and how would you have gotten to the ladder? ... not that any of us would be doing anything electrical on such a set up. Laters, Paul "I dropped the toothpaste," signaled Tom, crestfallen. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3E45A603-A20D-11D9-B2B4-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu> From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:49:34 -0800 OK, footcandles measured from where? Sam Samuel L. Jones Theater Production Supervisor Dance Program, Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu (310) 825-5823(w) (310) 993-4172(c) (310) 207-0392(h) ========================================================== On Mar 31, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Scheu Consulting Services wrote: > NFPA Section 101, Chapter 5, code 5-8.1.3 exception states "In assembly > occupancies, the illumination of the floors of exit access shall be at > least > 0.2 ft-candle (2 lux) during periods of performances or projection > involving > direct light." (5-8.1.1 states "exit access shall include only > designated > ..., aisles, corridors, ramps, .... and passageways leading to an > exit.") > > Does this help? > > Peter Scheu > On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:04 AM, John McKernon wrote: > > Either your local building department or the fire department should > have the > answer. They will have a minimum footcandle level for you. > > - John ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050331125207.025855b0 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:53:04 -0500 From: Ford H Sellers Subject: Re: aisle lights In-Reply-To: References:

Measured at the floor in the Aisle. -Ford >OK, footcandles measured from where? > >Sam > ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050331194146.016f1178 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:41:46 From: CB Subject: Gun Safety >We've discussed this many times. www.comcast.net has a video of a gun safety >lecture that goes wrong. You need to be a ComCast customer for that link to be any good, or you get, "To view this content, you must be a Comcast High-Speed Internet customer. Enter your zipcode to find out if service is available in your area." To see the vid without signing up for ComCast, go to: or Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050331194722.016f1178 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:47:22 From: CB Subject: Re: A/C Power Cable / Name that Amperage >The audio team here has a set of "new" powered speakers that came with >speakons to supply the mains power. Seems like a risky choice. Maybe it's a >marketing strategy to sell lots of replacement drivers? The ones I've used have a slightly different key than the speaker version, so it 'precludes' the two from being swapped. They are also color coded on the speaker. That being said, what the hell were thye thinking!?! O' course, if you buy the technology, they'll just make more. If you buy enough, it'll become the standard. We won't even get into the disadvantages of powered speakers... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:11:21 -0800 > Measured at the floor in the Aisle. > -Ford > >> OK, footcandles measured from where? >> >> Sam >> So this means in Peter Scheu's example, anywhere in the aisle at the floor level I should get a 2 lux reading on my meater when only the aisle lights are on?? Sam Samuel L. Jones Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu (310) 825-5823(w) (310) 993-4172(c) (310) 207-0392(h) On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Ford H Sellers wrote: ------------------------------ Message-ID: <13210209.1112296574676.JavaMail.root [at] thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:16:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Jerry Dougherty Reply-To: Jerry Dougherty Subject: I'm back Just wanted to let some of you out there know that the Army has finally let me go (six months my ass!) and I am making my home in central Washington. I'm hoping that I will be doing more than pushing boxes in Yakima by September, but will leave it at that as to not jinx myself. Hope I haven't missed too much. Jerry Dougherty ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:19:26 -0500 Don't anyone go there! Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music I should get a 2 lux reading on my meater when only the aisle lights are on?? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050331142109.01dcb5d8 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:26:57 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: aisle lights In-Reply-To: References:

Yes, that would be correct. Note that is 2 lux *only during the performance*. In an emergency, the requirement jumps to, I believe, 10 lux (1 footcandle), again measured at the floor. Another method that is generally accepted (in most jurisdictions) as meeting the *intent* of the code (not the letter) are installations that use strips of light down the sides of the aisle. This shows the pathway (think about airplanes). YMMV. Mike At 02:11 PM 3/31/2005, Samuel Jones wrote: >>Measured at the floor in the Aisle. >>-Ford >> >>>OK, footcandles measured from where? >So this means in Peter Scheu's example, anywhere in the aisle at the floor >level I should get a 2 lux reading on my meater when only the aisle lights >are on?? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <58E80088-A21B-11D9-8E13-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu> From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:30:32 -0800 Why?? Samuel L. Jones Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu (310) 825-5823(w) (310) 993-4172(c) (310) 207-0392(h) ===================================================== On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Waxler, Steve (waxlers) wrote: > > Don't anyone go there! > > Steve Waxler > Technical Director > College Conservatory of Music > > > I should get a 2 lux reading on my meater when only the > aisle lights are on?? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:32:45 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: aisle lights Message-id: <424C505D.32D76F5D [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Mike Brubaker wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, that would be correct. Note that is 2 lux *only during the > performance*. In an emergency, the requirement jumps to, I believe, 10 lux > (1 footcandle), again measured at the floor. So I have to have my system configured to quintuple their intensity during an emergency? That'll be a bit of a challenge. Steve -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:34:36 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <003901c53628$addef8f0$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: >Samuel L. Jones wrote: >So this means in Peter Scheu's example, anywhere in the aisle at the=20 >floor level I should get a 2 lux reading on my meater when only the=20 >aisle lights are on?? (Don't worry, Steve. I won't be the one to start the "2 lux reading on = my meater (sic)" thread...) You can read (no pun intended) the NFPA requirement that way if you = want. The NFPA doesn't care how the "2 lux" gets there, just that it IS there = at all times. Remember that it is a MINIMUM reading. I would assume that traditional aisle lighting systems would be the best way to achieve = this, as they are not obscured by shadows from objects or people above. Lighting = the aisles with overhead fixtures to 2 lux when all other lights are dimmed would be problematic. If a crowd (or single person for that matter) was trying to get out, their shadows would be cast on the floor, reducing visibility (think tripping on a step). And Mike Brubaker is correct in noting that any local AHJ can pick = whatever code/standard they want for their jurisdiction, so you need to find who = that is in your community. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050331203818.016fe3d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:38:18 From: CB Subject: Gun Safety Oh yeah, while you're giggling at experts showing you just how NOT to use the stuff they're supposed to be expert at, check out at the lower part of the page is a link titled 'click here', (***Need a good laugh? Click here to see what happens*** ***when bad swords are used badly.***). Be patient, its a failry large file and it ain't your connection speed that holds things up. It's kinda worth it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050331143800.01dc1298 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:06:11 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: aisle lights In-Reply-To: References:

That goes back to an earlier post. Part of that requirement may change with the actual code that governs your facility--the full LifeSafety 101 paragraph Peter was quoting (this is the 2000 edition, in my case) is below. Keep in mind that these are two sentences pulled from their full context--this is not a simple question nor a simple answer. "7.8.1.3. The floors and other walking surfaces within an exit and within the portions of the exit access and exit discharge designated in 7.8.1.1 shall be illuminated to values of at least 1 ft-candle (10 lux) measured at the floor. "Exception No. 1: In assembly occupancies, the illumination of the floors of exit access shall be at least 0.2 ft-candle (2 lux) during periods of performances or projections involving directed light." Different codes define this differently and set different requirements. Additional considerations: your AHJ. Grandfathering. Peter's last post puts it very well--LifeSafety does not describe HOW the light is to get to the aisle floor--just that it must be there. And almost everything comes back to your local authority--these are the people that interpret and enforce the code. If your AHJ tells you that the lower level is acceptable at all times, than it is--for your facility. On the other hand, if the AHJ tells you that the aisle must be illuminated to 1 fc at all times (harder to achieve with in-seat aisle lights than you might think, by the way), than that's what it must be. Mike At 02:32 PM 3/31/2005, Stephen Litterst wrote: > > Yes, that would be correct. Note that is 2 lux *only during the > > performance*. In an emergency, the requirement jumps to, I believe, 10 lux > > (1 footcandle), again measured at the floor. > >So I have to have my system configured to quintuple their intensity >during an emergency? That'll be a bit of a challenge. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e151605033112305e0e551 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:30:10 -0500 From: Gregg Carville Reply-To: Gregg Carville Subject: Re: aisle lights In-Reply-To: References:

Thank you for all of the info. I am talking with the local folks - but they have had no idea of what I am talking about. So they are talking to their people and are supposed to get back to me. I am not holding my breath. City Code around here says that NFPA 101 (2003) is the governing code, with a few exceptions, none of which involve theaters. We have just recently had one fire marshal retire and a new one take over, so we are not sure how that will change things. Plus the state of Maine has enacted a lot of tougher fire regs in places of public assembly due to the Rhode Island night club fire. We try to accomodate all of this and still get the show done. I have wired more battery operated candles this year then ever before as we do not have any live flame on stage, ever. So we shall try to iron this out. But your responses were helpful as at least I have some ideas of where to look more specifically. (And also to help the local folks look too) thank you, Gregg ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: aisle lights Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:45:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: NFPA is the best source at Peter has recommended. In all of the inspections we do we use the Life Safety Code, and then demur to the local AHJ if that is needed. Aisle lights are on item to consider but keep in mind the wiring and the access to that wiring by patrons. doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of John McKernon Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:05 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: aisle lights For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > I have looked at my local city ordinances to no avail, and am trying > to work my way through the city beauracracy to talk with someone (no > luck yet) Either your local building department or the fire department should have the answer. They will have a minimum footcandle level for you. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:48:18 -0500 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: aisle lights Message-id: <00f501c5363b$5a31f140$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litterst" So I have to have my system configured to quintuple their intensity > during an emergency? That'll be a bit of a challenge. No. Presumably there's also a generic emergency flood light arrangement - Battery operated fixtures ?, normal house lights switched to emergency feed ?, etc... that would provide for the required foot-candles throughout the theater, including the aisles. At that point the aisle/step lights are redundant and not normally part of any emergency system. They may not even be energized, if it's a loss-of-normal electrical service situation. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: Intelligence Report Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c53647$31873690$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: From today's Presidential Commission report: "Across the board, the Intelligence Community knows disturbingly little about the nuclear programs of many of the world's most dangerous actors." OK, guys, now I'm starting to get scared.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <424C8995.3070801 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:36:53 -0800 From: Bill Schaffell Subject: teflon ice Do any of you have experience with and/or a source for renting a "teflon ice rink"? ( read non frozen) I have a job coming up where it is not practical to use water and ice. Your help is much appreciated. b Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <20.41f44e97.2f7df13a [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:35:06 EST Subject: Re: teflon ice In a message dated 3/31/05 6:43:46 PM, wjss [at] earthlink.net writes: << Do any of you have experience with and/or a source for renting a "teflon ice rink"? ( read non frozen) I have a job coming up where it is not practical to use water and ice. Your help is much appreciated. b Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 >> contact me off list, , , , i've got a couple of sources I can point you to very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050331204716.02926150 [at] pop.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:47:28 -0500 From: "Paul H. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Teflon ice I used one regularly as part of the Radio City Christmas show for several years. It was 1/2", 4'x8' on a wooden platform like frame. Depending on how acrobatic the skating will be will dictate the structure of your under frame, usually the performers preferred a little give under the Teflon. You will need a mixture of oil to lubricate the surface. We found that a concoction of Glycerin and clear vegetable oil would work best for most performers. The more Glycerin the slippery-er it would get. Oh and of course the cleaning of the surface that would need to be done every week or so, was the highlight of the show. squeegee it clean, but no solvents, until you were done with the run. If you need more specifics contact me directly and I can send them to you . Pax At 03:36 PM 3/31/2005 -0800, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > Do any of you have experience with and/or a source for renting a "teflon > ice rink"? ( read non frozen) I have a job coming up where it is not > practical to use water and ice. Your help is much appreciated. > >b > >Bill Schaffell >WJS Studios >909-986-2363 Paul H. Sullivan Production Manager Times Union Center for the Performing Arts Jacksonville FL 32202 (904) 633-6192 (904) 633-6190 fax ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <49B75F56-A264-11D9-8DC9-000A95BD64AC [at] earthlink.net> From: Sunil Rajan Subject: Re: Photos of electrical practice Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:12:40 -0500 On Mar 31, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: >> I guess most of the young whipper-snapper technicians have never had >> the pleasure of working with this kind of fine lighting equipment. hey hey hey I might still be considered a young whipper-snapper by some, (hey, I still consider MYSELF a "young punk"); but the first show that I was an ME on in college, we ran the show on 2 wallboards, with 3 (yup, 3) of us "playing" the cues! Nothing like turning the locking handles and having to dim 10 at once on a 30 second count with your right hand, while cross-fading 10 more with your left, AND using one of your feet to change cyc colors! The next show I ME'd utilized a cute little "My First Flintstones Lightboard" ETC Impression, followed by the venerable Lightboard M (after which I wanted to go BACK to the wallboard!). Careful who you're callin' whipper-snapper there olde pharte! ; P Sunil Rajan Freelance Audio Mercenary ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

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Message-Id: <8685768506ee91abf1bab3798dbb15c9 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Photos of electrical practice Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:39:36 -0500 >>> I guess most of the young whipper-snapper technicians have never had >>> the pleasure of working with this kind of fine lighting equipment. I didn't realize I was getting old till I had a parent come up to me at parents night and say "do you remember me, we graduated high school together" That was four years ago. All of you talking about the locking handles on your dimmers.... You had it lucky. My high schools interlocks either didn't work or were not reliable. Usually we could get a "color master" to work but even a simple blackout required the right hand on the yellow master, right elbow on the red master and leg on the blues, left hand on the whites. Now on five counts lower your body to the floor and use your head to push up the houselight master. Ahhh thanks for reminding me of the good 'ol days. But then again Ziggy said "Just think, someday you'll remember these as the good old days" Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <6d63bf6f0779a5bc5db11c6ee76fdffe [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Photos of electrical practice Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:59:06 -0500 > I didn't realize I was getting old till I had a parent come up to me > at parents night and say "do you remember me, we graduated high school > together" That was four years ago. OK I have to stop posting this late at night. Parent came up to me four years ago (not graduating high school) > Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <424CDC1E.6040309 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:29:02 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: aisle lights References:

In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: > > Mike Brubaker wrote: > >>Yes, that would be correct. Note that is 2 lux *only during the >>performance*. In an emergency, the requirement jumps to, I believe, 10 lux >>(1 footcandle), again measured at the floor. > > > So I have to have my system configured to quintuple their intensity > during an emergency? That'll be a bit of a challenge. > > Steve Many house light systems have a "panic" or "bypass" switch or several switches mounted where the SM, LBO and House Mgr. can throw a switch to put all house lights at full. Aisle lights probably should be part of the group that is on the 'panic' circuit If your house lights are set up to put 10 Lux on the floor at full, you could run them on a dimmer as low as ~20% for shows and be able to go to full at a touch of a switch. Stuart ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7ec94d571f10df0d79ff8b1adf3b7313 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Gun Safety Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:54:14 -0500 Try going to the below site first. Have you see the one about the DEA agent showing a bunch of kids about gun safety and shooting himself in the leg (if not google "dea shot leg" and look for a video for a good time) Cya Sunday. I keep forgetting I have to be there. If I'm not there by 9:15 you better call me :-) Greg On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:38 PM, CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh yeah, while you're giggling at experts showing you just how NOT to > use > the stuff they're supposed to be expert at, check out > at the lower part of the page is a link > titled 'click here', (***Need a good laugh? Click here to see what > happens*** ***when bad swords are used badly.***). Be patient, its a > failry large file and it ain't your connection speed that holds things > up. > It's kinda worth it. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1c64a4effeccff69f84b854144b736d3 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Gun Safety Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:00:27 -0500 AARRRGGH! what did I just tell myself about sending email this late! Sorry all for the bandwidth AGAIN. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #349 *****************************