Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22074532; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:00:51 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #378 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:00:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #378 1. Re: statistics on theater at university by "Fitch, Tracy" 2. Re: statistics on theater at university by Shawn Palmer 3. Re: Drape hampers by Barney Simon 4. Re: Drape hampers by Boyd Ostroff 5. Re: Light Lab Activities by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 6. Re: confetti cannons by Bill Schaffell 7. Re: statistics on theater at university by Boyd Ostroff 8. Re: statistics on theater at university by Steve Larson 9. Re: Drape hampers by Barney Simon 10. Re: commas by "Karl G. Ruling" 11. Re: Lighting Question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 12. Re: commas by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 13. Re: statistics on theater at university by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: Dance Floor Replacement by IAEG [at] aol.com 15. Re: Lighting Question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Dance Floor Replacement by IAEG [at] aol.com 17. Re: Drape hampers by Michael Heinicke 18. Re: Drape hampers by John McKernon 19. Re: Drape hampers by Bill Sapsis 20. Re: Works for black box by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: statistics on theater at university by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: statistics on theater at university by Charlie Richmond 23. Re: statistics on theater at university by Pat Kight 24. Re: commas by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 25. Re: statistics on theater at university by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 26. Storage in a Tiny Theatre by Fierce Fish 27. Fix it places for equipment by CB 28. Re: statistics on theater at university by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: statistics on theater at university by Pat Kight 30. Re: What's going on with the list? by MPTecDir [at] aol.com 31. Re: commas by "Tony Deeming" 32. Re: Lighting Question by "Tony Deeming" 33. Re: Problem with Lighting System by Brian Munroe 34. Re: What's going on with the list? by Noah Price 35. Re: What's going on with the list? by IAEG [at] aol.com 36. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by "Matthew Breton" 37. Re: Lighting question by kosteral [at] luther.edu 38. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by Bruce Purdy 39. Re: Confetti cannons by MPTecDir [at] aol.com 40. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by Fierce Fish 41. Re: commas by Dale Farmer 42. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by Dale Farmer 43. Re: Drape hampers by Mike Brubaker 44. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by Bruce Purdy 45. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by "Daryl Redmon" 46. Re: Lighting Question by patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu 47. Re: statistics on theater at university by Mike Brubaker 48. Re: Lighting Question by Mike Brubaker 49. Re: CD80 dimmer pack trouble by Mitch Hefter 50. "Genie" lift recommendation... by Steve Jones 51. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by Bruce Purdy 52. Re: "Genie" lift recommendation... by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 53. Re: "Genie" lift recommendation... by Steve Jones 54. Re: Drape hampers by MissWisc [at] aol.com 55. Re: statistics on theater at university by MissWisc [at] aol.com 56. Re: Posit mill /Google Whack by MissWisc [at] aol.com 57. Re: Autocad 2004 or higher rendering references by "Fred Young" 58. Re: "Genie" lift recommendation... by "Don Taco" 59. Re: Autocad 2004 or higher rendering references by Sean L Culligan 60. Re: confetti cannons by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 61. Re: Posit mill by Bruce Purdy 62. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 63. university theater statistics by Judy 64. Re: Confetti cannons by CB 65. Re: Dance Floor Replacement by CB 66. Re: CD-80 flickering problem by "Bill Nelson" 67. Re: Drape hampers by Jerry Durand 68. Re: Posit mill /Google Whack by Tony Miller *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: statistics on theater at university Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:56:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fitch, Tracy" Folks, before we go too far in questioning what seems like a broad generalization about the source of good designers, let's point out that most of us norteamericanos don't know her market. Judy is posting from Tel Aviv University in Israel. -Tracy S. Fitch TD, UNC Charlotte; LD, Everywhere Else; Google-Geek, Universally > From: Steve Larson > --------------------------------------------------- > Which university are you talking about. I taught for > 27 years at the university level. Our Into to Theatre > classes might have as many as 120 students. This is > the bread and butter that allows design classes of 10 > or acting classes of 15. Show them overall numbers, > not specifics of each class. >=20 > When you say nearly all the good designers, directors, > and playwrights came out of your department, you are > making a mighty big statement as to why the department > should continue to exist. Why are they not standing up for > you now? >=20 > You are also putting down an awful lot of good schools, > if the best came from your school. >=20 > > From: Judy > > --------------------------------------------------- > > My university is talking seriously about closing down the theater > > department, or anyway the practical part of it (acting, design, > > directing). They say it's not lucrative, that is, you can't have classes > > of 70 or 100 people, and anyway they think anything that isn't high-tech > > or business and economics or prestigious scientific research isn't worth > > much. We've started a group to try and fight this, and I'm looking for > > some kind of documentation or statistics about theater departments in > > American universities that might help us in explaining why they > > shouldn't close us down. I don't really know what kind of statistics > > would help, but anything that sounds like it's backed up with solid data > > might be useful (for instance, the percentage of students studying > > theater in American universities, the percentage of universities with > > theater departments, stuff like that). If any of you know where I can > > find this kind of thing, or have any ideas of your own, please get in > > touch as soon as you can. > > > > It would be a real shame if they closed us down - nearly all the good > > designers and directors and playwrights in the country have come out of > > our department. It's the only place in the whole country where you can > > get methodical and academic preparation for a design career. The > > trouble here is that financial and political pressure is being exerted > > on the universities to cut down, and theater is the first thing they see > > as unnecessary. Any help would be really appreciated. I'm afraid > > arguments as to why culture is important wouldn't be very useful (we've > > tried those) but numbers might help. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426FEEAA.9080808 [at] northnet.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:57:30 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university References: In-Reply-To: > When you say nearly all the good designers, directors, > and playwrights came out of your department, you are > making a mighty big statement as to why the department > should continue to exist. Why are they not standing up for > you now? > > You are also putting down an awful lot of good schools, > if the best came from your school. > > Steve I thought that too, initially... but then I saw her email addy. I think it indicates she is at Tel Aviv University. Maybe all the good Israeli designers/directors DO come out of TAU. I don't know :-) Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426FF1F1.2040804 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:11:29 -0400 From: Barney Simon Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co. Inc. Subject: Re: Drape hampers References:

In-Reply-To: Mark O'Brien wrote: > Anyone have a good place to get them I have a couple of 20's and some 10's I 'inherited' (I bought the drapes that were stored in them and got the hampers too), so they are slightly used, but clean and in good condition. I've had them in storage as they do not fit down the 24" hall from the front to the back of my building... email me if you are interested and we will talk... -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Drape hampers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Stephen E. Rees wrote: > When we got our new drapes from Rose Brand, we specced 24 bu hampers. They > are very nice, well made and hold a lot of goods but don't go through > standard doors. We have the same thing, some from Rose Brand and some from Mutual. They all appear to be the same. | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Light Lab Activities Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:26:03 -0400 Randy, Tell them about good old Roy G Biv. Draw a rainbow and hold it under different gels to see which colors look good or bad. One trick I always use is to do large line drawings on the same piece of posterboard one in red paint and the other in green, be as clever as you like. Show it lit with a red gel then switch to a green gel. Always a great effect. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426FF4EB.7080204 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:24:11 -0700 From: Bill Schaffell Subject: Re: confetti cannons References: I am scared, really scared. When I read Joe Dunfee's description of how to build a confetti cannon I screamed out loud. The principles are all fine it is just his choice of materials. AND... " fill it with air from a bicycle pump to about 60psi. (Well... actually I pump it up to 80psi, but the garden hose parts say they are only able to handle 60psi and I have never had one break at 80psi)". This is just wrong, an accident waiting to happen. If something says it is only good to 60 psi then that is it. You don't take chances with personal, actor or audience safety. We have been building cannons for close to 20 years. We do not use any PVC pipe or fittings. I don't want to take the chance that a glue joint fails or a pipe has a hair line crack from being dropped. Garden hose fittings and are not designed to take the sudden pressure change over and over. The idea of drilling through a PVC end cap to put in a schrader valve probably compromises the integrity of the fitting. Other than that these are just fine if you wear your flack jacket! If you don't have the budget to buy or rent cannons please use appropriate industrial materials. Steel, aluminum, brass. There are plenty of vendors on this list that can sell or rent to you. My 2 cents. Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Judy wrote: > nearly all the good designers and directors and playwrights in the > country have come out of our department. Wow!... really? Would you like to give us a hint as to what school you're at? | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:31:16 -0400 Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sorry, I didn't catch that. Not familiar with addresses from that area. I still stand by holding Intro classes in large rooms, we often used the theatre. We had three sections of around 100 each. That more than made up for the small tech, acting and directing classes that we insisted on. Never had an administration that wouldn't buy our program based upon the total numbers. Steve > From: Shawn Palmer > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:57:30 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> When you say nearly all the good designers, directors, >> and playwrights came out of your department, you are >> making a mighty big statement as to why the department >> should continue to exist. Why are they not standing up for >> you now? >> >> You are also putting down an awful lot of good schools, >> if the best came from your school. >> >> Steve > > I thought that too, initially... > > but then I saw her email addy. I think it indicates she is at Tel Aviv > University. Maybe all the good Israeli designers/directors DO come out > of TAU. I don't know :-) > > Shawn Palmer > Neenah, WI > USA > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426FF770.1010800 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:34:56 -0400 From: Barney Simon Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co. Inc. Subject: Re: Drape hampers References:

In-Reply-To: Boyd Ostroff wrote: > They all appear to be the same. They probably are. There are not that many manufacturers of canvas hampers. And BTW Boyd, did my partner call and possibly come and visit you a week or so ago? He said he was gonna when he visited his sister in Philly, but I have not heard from him (and sometimes I like it that way). -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:40:02 -0400 Subject: Re: commas Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <426FC062.31314.1AE12FF [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > > Has anyone read 'Eats, Shoots & Leaves' by Lynne Truss. Never thought > I'd > enjoy a book about grammar but it's a fun read. > Yes. It is a very entertaining book, although (believe it or not) it could use a bit better editing. It has some restrictive clauses separated by commas. It has lots of examples where the placement of a comma changes the meaning of a sentence. One cannot simply place a comma where one wants to take a breath, no matter what Frank Wood believes about the matter, if one wants to be understood. Go, get him surgeons! Go get him, surgeons! Only in the worst asthma attack would a person need to take a breath after "go." In that case, if commas marked breathing points, the sentence would be "Go, get, him, surgeons!" What would that mean? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Lighting Question Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:51:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c54b73$4afbb7e0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > I believe that Frank is right. I don't believe I've ever seen those words, in that order, on this list before. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050427215242.41915.qmail [at] web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: commas In-Reply-To: 6667 --- "Karl G. Ruling" wrote: > Only in the worst asthma attack would a person need > to take a breath > after "go." In that case, if commas marked breathing > points, the > sentence would be "Go, get, him, surgeons!" What > would that mean? That you were listening to James T. Kirk! Jacki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: statistics on theater at university Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:55:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c54b73$ceb0e970$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > My university is talking seriously about closing down the theater > department, or anyway the practical part of it (acting, design, > directing). They say it's not lucrative, that is, you can't > have classes > of 70 or 100 people, and anyway they think anything that > isn't high-tech > or business and economics or prestigious scientific research > isn't worth > much. We've started a group to try and fight this, and I'm > looking for > some kind of documentation or statistics I can't help you with numbers, but I can advance a philosophical argument. It won't help, but it might make you feel better. You're in Israel, right? Well, we're known as "the people of the Book", not "the people of the spreadsheet". ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <96.263817f6.2fa164ad [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:57:01 EDT Subject: Re: Dance Floor Replacement In a message dated 4/27/05 3:40:37 PM, Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes: << there's lots of manufacturers now but I'm curious how different the high priced stuff we buy is from the vinyl roof over my auditorium and the vinyl sides and bottom on my buddy Gator's swimming pool? >> Marty, , what about the grey vinyl in the plumbing section of your local LOWES or HOME DEPOT that's used to line showers ? probably about the same as "Gators" pool? very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <190.3ecd7023.2fa164f3 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:58:11 EDT Subject: Re: Lighting Question In a message dated 27/04/05 19:38:09 GMT Daylight Time, tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes: > Don't you mean phosphorescent? No, I mean what I said. Fluorescent. Such materials emit light accoprding to their properties, when stimulated by UV radiation. It can be a useful stage effect. Phosphorescent materials are used in TV tubes. They need to be stimulated by high energy electron beams. I suppose that the fundamental mechanisms are similar, but they are orders of magnitude apart. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <89.25d0855b.2fa1652a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:59:06 EDT Subject: Re: Dance Floor Replacement In a message dated 4/27/05 3:53:21 PM, tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes: << You actually have a buddy named Gator. Cool! Steve >> Marty and I are both in what some would call the Greater Tampa Bay area, , or the Central Gulf Coast of Florida, , , you can have a buddy named "Gator" living on one side of you and some one with a legit "title" such as Duke or Duchess on the other, , hey, , it's Florida ! very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050427220140.27781.qmail [at] web81702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Drape hampers In-Reply-To: 6667 Take a look at http://www.crdaniels.com/dandux/bht.html They have a link to find a local dealer/supplier. Mike H --- Mark O'Brien wrote: > We need to store our drapes for the summer (new > floor being installed) > and I thought this would be a good excuse to buy > hampers for our > goods. I was thinking a couple of 20 bu, and a > couple of smaller > ones. Anyone have a good place to get them, It is > Arizona, but they > should always be in climate controlled rooms. (music > building). I was > also thinking fabric hampers, but I welcome all > opinions. > > > Mark O'Brien > Opera Technical Director > University of Arizona, School of Music > Tucson, AZ > 520/621-7025 > 520/591-1803 Mobile > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:08:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Drape hampers From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I thought this would be a good excuse to buy > hampers for our > goods. I was thinking a couple of 20 bu, and a > couple of smaller > ones. Anyone have a good place to get them, Rose Brand sells them. - John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:25:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Drape hampers From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This thread got me thinking. I know, always a bad idea, but it happens nevertheless. you have all heard me rant in the past that maybe it would be nice to think about purchasing stuff from list members, when possible. There are a number of commercial entities on the list and some of them regularly participate. What does anyone think about adding a commercial section to the website? (Don't pass out just yet, Noah. Maybe we can get someone else to do it for you) I don't know what it would look like cuz I'm just thinking about it, but I would think it would be a good resource. A list of those on the list along with a short blurb about what they do. I dunno. Would that be helpful? (Yes, I sell hampers. But probably not as cheaply as some of the other guys) Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:21:37 EDT Subject: Re: Works for black box In a message dated 27/04/05 19:54:34 GMT Daylight Time, tlipcon [at] mercea.net writes: > > I work in a 35x55 black box theater that currently has Sodium work lights. > These lights are starting to buzz ridiculously loudly, and also have > really terrible color rendering properties. Most set painting for our > shows happens in the space itself under worklights, and set designers have > had a hard time mixing and judging their paint under the light. > > So, we're starting to look into replacement options. A difficult question. Discharge lamps are energy efficient, but have very bad colour rendering. The only answer we have found is to have a kit of discharge lamps for rigging, and a kit of halogen lamps for painting. I wish there were some other answer. > > - Quick start preferred > - The sodiums take a good 4 minutes to warm up, which is annoying Most discharge lamps are like this. Moreover, some are not terribly keen on doing hot re-starts. > > - Color rendering > - Like I said, we'd like better color rendering. Maybe CRI 85+? > - Color temperature around 3200K is probably a little better than > something up near 6500K so that designers get a sense of what stuff looks > like under stage lights, but this probably isn't a huge deal if the CRI is > good to begin with. Quoted colour temperatures for discharge lamps, of any sort, are a nonsense. The whole concept of colour temperature depends on a black body radiator. A halogen lamp is a fair approximation to one, as is any other incandescent lamp. It requires a continuous spectral output. Inevitably, discharge lamps have lumps and bumps in their spectral output. It depends on the nature of the discharge. Some do better than others, but you can usually tell. > > - Long lamp life > - The fixtures are about 18' in the air (2' above our non-walkable > pipe grid) so not very easy to access I see your problem. But, often stage luminaires require to be point sources. Few long life sources are. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.8a24176.2fa16c7a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:30:18 EDT Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university In a message dated 27/04/05 20:01:08 GMT Daylight Time, kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: > Hi list, > > My university is talking seriously about closing down the theater > department, or anyway the practical part of it (acting, design, > directing). They say it's not lucrative, that is, you can't have classes > of 70 or 100 people, and anyway they think anything that isn't high-tech > or business and economics or prestigious scientific research isn't worth > much. I despair. Just what does your universiy think it exists for? It is in my mind that Thomas Jefferson had views on this subject. Exactly what they werew I do not remember. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:33:32 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > mind that Thomas Jefferson had views on this subject. Exactly what they werew I I'm not sure an Israeli univrsity needs to follow Jefferson's guidance... ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" + + Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html + + - AudioBox List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/ablist.html - + "Let distribution undo excess - And each man have enough" - King Lear ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4270153C.1050506 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:42:04 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >> My university is talking seriously about closing down the theater >> department, or anyway the practical part of it (acting, design, >> directing). They say it's not lucrative, that is, you can't have classes >> of 70 or 100 people, and anyway they think anything that isn't high-tech >> or business and economics or prestigious scientific research isn't worth >> much. > I despair. Just what does your universiy think it exists for? It is in my > mind that Thomas Jefferson had views on this subject. Exactly what they werew I > do not remember. As others have pointed out the university in question is in Israel. I'm not sure what relevance Mr. Jefferson's words would have, remembered or not, to the situation at hand. As one who tends to get testy when list members assume everyone here is American, I think you've just been hoist by your own petard, Frank. (-; -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8.676024a8.2fa16ffe [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:45:18 EDT Subject: Re: commas In a message dated 27/04/05 21:40:43 GMT Daylight Time, kruling [at] esta.org writes: > It has lots of examples where the placement of a comma changes the > meaning of a sentence. One cannot simply place a comma where one > wants to take a breath, no matter what Frank Wood believes about the > matter, if one wants to be understood. Understood has many meanings. The documents that lawyers write employ no punctuation, because a misplaced mark may change the meaning. Most of us are more flexible. We insert punctuation marks when we feel a need.. I work on the principle that I insert one, when someone reading my wriring may wish to pause for breath.. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: statistics on theater at university Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:46:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c54b7a$f41690a0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > As one who tends to get testy when list members assume > everyone here is > American, I think you've just been hoist by your own petard, > Frank. (-; Wisdom knows no nationality. The fact that I'm American doesn't mean I can't quote Beaumarchais (it's the fact that I don't speak French that means I can't quote Beaumarchais). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:02:42 -0500 From: Fierce Fish Subject: Storage in a Tiny Theatre Message-ID: <20050427230242.GB22596 [at] tragedy.biomass.to> Hi, all. First post to this list, though I've been reading for quite some time now. I'm a carpenter/occasional tech director/stage hand for a small community theatre. A few years back, our home theatre burnt (more precisely, the lobby, green room, rehearsal spaces, etc burnt - the black box theatre itself survived the fire). We've been putting on shows in other local theatres while we work on rebuilding this one. After much work with the city, we've got a replacement for our building - we've got walls and a roof and they are about to pour the floor. Once that happens, those of us who know which end of a hammer to hold will be doing the interior (modulo electrical and other areas required to be done by licensed contractors - we're working with the building inspector, not trying to do anything underhanded) Now, this space is smaller then the existing space - the old one was two stories, this is only one. The black box stage is 35x35, as is the new front of house area. In this front of house area, we are putting washrooms, a lobby, concession area, ticket area and green room/storage room. As may be apparent, this means everything is pretty small - but, then, so is our group and our stage (we look to hold about 75 people for a show) With all that long winded introduction aside, I am looking for suggestions for storage in the new theatre. The ceilings are 10' to the rafters (which will be exposed), 12' to the roof. The green room will have walls that run the full 12' (insulated to block the sound of noisy actors from the lobby space). The bathroom will be enclosed with 8' walls, with a solid framed ceiling, with an eye to using the roof of the bathroom as storage for flats, curtains, etc. Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, of set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much Chris Rovers ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050427155529.00acebc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:55:29 From: CB Subject: Fix it places for equipment > I'm looking for reputable places for fixing intelligent lighting >and audio amplifiers in the Maryland area. For pro audio gear, UPS or FedEx. They'll get it to the manufacturer, who will put it back to (or bring it up to) spec. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:57:04 EDT Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university In a message dated 27/04/05 23:42:33 GMT Daylight Time, kightp [at] peak.org writes: > >> My university is talking seriously about closing down the theater > >> department, or anyway the practical part of it (acting, design, > >> directing). They say it's not lucrative, that is, you can't have classes > >> of 70 or 100 people, and anyway they think anything that isn't high-tech > >> or business and economics or prestigious scientific research isn't worth > >> much. > > > I despair. Just what does your universiy think it exists for? It is in my > > mind that Thomas Jefferson had views on this subject. Exactly what they > werew I > > do not remember. > > As others have pointed out the university in question is in Israel. I'm > not sure what relevance Mr. Jefferson's words would have, remembered or > not, to the situation at hand. > > As one who tends to get testy when list members assume everyone here is > American, I think you've just been hoist by your own petard, Frank. (-; It has been pointed out, yes. I don't care where the University in question is. I ask what it thinks it is for. I happen to think that Jefferson was right. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42701BC7.1050601 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:09:59 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >>As one who tends to get testy when list members assume >>everyone here is >>American, I think you've just been hoist by your own petard, >>Frank. (-; > Wisdom knows no nationality. > > The fact that I'm American doesn't mean I can't quote Beaumarchais (it's > the fact that I don't speak French that means I can't quote > Beaumarchais). I must be feeling unusually testy myself this afternoon; I read Frank's citation of Jefferson, combined with "what is the university for," as another of his digs against things US-ian. Must stop trying to mind-read on the Internet. My apologies, Frank. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: MPTecDir [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:10:50 EDT Subject: Re: What's going on with the list? Cc: brooklyn [at] dopher.com "C. Dopher" brooklyn [at] dopher.com writes: <> Cris, I'm having the same problem. I thought it was an AOL issue. I too missed Monday and Tuesdays digests, from both my AOL and UMass mail. I have no solutions but at least we now know we're not the only ones. FWIW, the stagecraft web site seems to be down, maybe that's part of the problem. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director U Mass Amherst, Dept of Theatre 112 Fine Arts Center West Amherst, MA 01003-9331 Phone: 413-545-6821 Fax: 413-577-0025 mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: commas Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:21:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: 27 April 2005 23:45 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: commas For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 27/04/05 21:40:43 GMT Daylight Time, kruling [at] esta.org writes: > It has lots of examples where the placement of a comma changes the > meaning of a sentence. One cannot simply place a comma where one > wants to take a breath, no matter what Frank Wood believes about the > matter, if one wants to be understood. Understood has many meanings. The documents that lawyers write employ no punctuation, because a misplaced mark may change the meaning. Most of us are more flexible. We insert punctuation marks when we feel a need.. I work on the principle that I insert one, when someone reading my wriring may wish to pause for breath.. Frank Wood Nah. Punctuation serves to clarify the meaning of the words, as someone else demonstrated simply a while back (ie the surgeons example). Commas MAY indicate a suitable pause for breath point but will NOT be a breathing point every time. Simple fact. Commas indicate to a reader where a pause (which could be anything from a brief space to a poignant lengthy pause) is useful to the reader, OR to indicate a change in emphasis, again to underline the actual intent of the words as written. In some cases, this is the only way an author can truly get across the feelings, or power or pathos of a piece. Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Lighting Question Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:24:37 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of jeff.mabray [at] comcast.net Sent: 27 April 2005 18:52 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lighting Question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Frank Wood wrote: > I have never had a problem. Two, at most four UV tubes will handle quite a > large stage. Remember that the light is emitted by the paint. Do you have to plug that paint in to get it to emit light? Or does it just do it by magic? Gee Frank, with as much of a stickler as you are for details and semantics, I would have thought you would have known better than to write something like that. Paint will reflect light all day long, but never emit it. > Of course, you could always try C.... Whoops! Just caught myself in time!!! 8-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:27:30 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Problem with Lighting System In-Reply-To: References: On 4/27/05, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > That depends on what the dimmer is set at. And also on what the meter is > measuring, and reporting. >=20 Right, if the meter is set to read resistance or continuity or amperage, it won't show 110 volts. Thank you Captain Obvious. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: What's going on with the list? Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:59:28 -0700 On Apr 27, 2005, at 8:17 AM, C. Dopher wrote: > For some reason, I keep getting messages that a stagecraft email has > bounced > from my account. Your mail provider's filters are rejecting the messages. This applies to many list members with some variation in the error message, but yours specifically returns: message text rejected by inbound.dopher.com.criticalpath.net: 554 Message refused This is part of why for the mail services I run myself I detect and file spam, rather than rejecting it dynamically. > Oddly enough, the "your account is bouncing our digests" > emails still get through. That's because your mail provider doesn't detect them as spam :-) Please reply to the "WARNING" message to assure you remain on the list. On Apr 27, 2005, at 4:10 PM, MPTecDir [at] aol.com wrote: > I'm having the same problem. I thought it was an AOL issue. AOL is being especially sensitive. > I too missed > Monday and Tuesdays digests, from both my AOL and UMass mail. I have > no > solutions but at least we now know we're not the only ones. > > FWIW, the stagecraft web site seems to be down, maybe that's part of > the > problem. That's unrelated, but is back up now. That's related to flakiness of the archive database, which is on the verge of moving "real soon now" :-) Here's my earlier explanation: Please don't post spam or large excerpts from spam to the list. The recent software spam message posted has been driving many of your server-level spam filters crazy, bouncing many messages and digests. I've cleared some of the major ones, but the only way to be sure to remain on the list properly is to reply to the WARNING messages you'll receive from the list. Of course if you can have your server administrator whitelist my server network block, or at least the mail server, that will avoid the bouncing entirely! Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2b.7217a042.2fa181f1 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:01:53 EDT Subject: Re: What's going on with the list? although I did get a notice from Noah about aol problems, , I don't seem to be experiencing any of them HOWEVER, I did get a veritable FLOOD of list email this afternoon after being gone for about 3 hours, maybe over 60 posts in that period of time ? very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Storage in a Tiny Theatre Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:43:36 -0400 >Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, of >set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would be >greatly appreciated. If you have a shop nearby, that's probably the most convenient storage space for scrap wood; that or the Dumpster. Seriously. It raises the cost of creating a show marginally, but makes the living atmosphere that much nicer. Props and costumes likewise might be better stored at a separate location. They take up a large amount of room if you store them correctly (rather than the "big heap" method), and often need special storage requirements, especially costumes. Again, not the shop. Lights you may be able to get away with hanging as part of a rep plot, or dead-hanging in an under-used portion of the grid. What you may want to do is rent a storage unit, or build a shed adjacent to the theater. Although sheds often have less stringent building requirements than other buildings, you should still check with your building inspector, and perhaps the zoning committee. Matthew Breton Technical Director Seacoast Repertory Theater _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3584.67.1.111.12.1114649015.squirrel [at] 67.1.111.12> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: re: Lighting question From: kosteral [at] luther.edu Most brand-name laundry detergents (Tide, Whisk, Oxydol, etc.) contain bluing agents to make your clothes appear "whiter than white". It is these same bluing agents which respond to blacklight. In my experience I prefer powdered Tide, but just about any liquid or powder should work. [FYI, should anyone be interested in the chemistry behind the bluing agents, I can dig around in my old notes and post to the list.] Allison Koster Decorah, Iowa chemist in a former life (12 years) >I have never had good luck with flourescent paint. At Theatre By The Sea >in '03, we used some type of laundry detergent that was, not kidding, >five times more effective than the paint. You just have to seal whatever >you put it onto so it won't come off. I cannot remember the product, I am >sure that someone on the list will know what I am talking about. If not, >contact me off list, and I can give the contact information for someone >who would know. >Original message: >>Good Morning O'Wise Listers, >> >>I have discovered it is difficult to get a sufficient amount of >>blacklight in the past to make the paint effective. So, here is my >>question, What if I took 2 of my strip lights and filled 2 banks with >>Blacklight spots? A) would it work? B) would it be an obscene waste of >>money? C) Other suggestions are welcome. >> >>Thanks >>Moe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:55:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, of > set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would be > greatly appreciated. > It sounds to me like you'll need to consider off-premises storage. A mini-warehouse is a solution used by one community theatre around here, whilst another uses a member's barn. Pickup trucks transport as needed. Not ideal, but neither is your situation. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: MPTecDir [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:28:55 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Confetti cannons Mark O'Brien marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: =20 <> =20 Mark, =20 You have some good advice and some misconceptions mixed together. You are=20 right, PVC is cool for the barrel side (low pressure, relatively) but not fo= r=20 the pressure or storage side. =20 First, PVC was for many years a staple of the compressed air industry and=20 can still be used safely for many uses. =20 =20 Second, no one should use it for exposed compressed air service now because=20 of code, liability and potential catastrophic failure. PVC is still code fo= r=20 compressed air service if it is encased in concrete or buried (IIRC) two fee= t=20 or more. Solid core ABS still meets code for exposed compressed air service= . =20 The potential danger of PVC lies in that it is a somewhat brittle plastic.=20 When it fails, it shatters, breaking into small, sharp edged fragments and t= hus=20 the danger. Solid core ABS on the, other hand, fails by splitting. No soli= d=20 fragments, just a tremendous burst of compressed gas. That is why solid cor= e=20 ABS still meets code for exposed, compressed air service.=20 =20 For over 35 years I have (but no longer) built and used building air supply=20 and PVC air tanks for many uses and never had a failure. That is because th= e=20 tanks were taken care of both in use and in storage. Some tanks were over=20 thirty years old before I retired them when the code changed and made PVC no= n code=20 for exposed compressed air service. The major problems with PVC were with=20 components subjected to extended temperatures below 20 deg. F or extreme tem= ps=20 below 0 deg. F or with components subjected to physical damage that could le= ad=20 to a stress fracture, much like glass when scored with a glass cutter or oth= er=20 very hard object. =20 Every tank material from latex balloons to cast iron will expand to some=20 degree under pressure. How much of course, depends on the material and the=20 pressure it is subjected to. However unless it is stretched beyond it=E2= =80=99s yield=20 point, it will return to the original size. This includes PVC. That is why= it is=20 still code for pressurized hot and cold water systems up to 260 psi and for=20 buried or encased compressed air systems. As most stage air systems are=20 pressurized at 150 psi or less, subjected to a temperature range of 65 deg F= to 100=20 deg. F (depending on summer and winter storage or outdoor use), they are not= =20 subjected to the major cause of catastrophic failure and are well within the= =20 designed pressure range. That is why so many of us have used PVC for years=20 without any problems. Commercially, many buildings, public and private have=20= had PVC=20 pressurized water systems in place for up to 40 or more years. However, any= =20 time any system component is stretched beyond it=E2=80=99s yield point, and,= when the=20 load is removed, cannot return to it=E2=80=99s previous state, it should be=20 immediately removed from service. This is true with everything from air sys= tems to=20 rigging hardware to lighting trusses and more. =20 =20 The potential danger with compressed gas vs.: liquid use is that when a=20 failure occurs, gas expands rapidly until the volume/pressure equalizes with= the=20 exterior atmosphere. Examples of extreme pressure expansion and equalizatio= n=20 are the big game air rifles of the 19th century and any firearm using gunpow= der=20 (burning, expanding gasses) to propel projectiles. A liquid, for all=20 practical purposes, does not compress in volume, so it does not expand when=20= released.=20 It will "squirt" like heck however, as anyone who has worked with hydraulics= =20 will attest. If the source of pressure is removed, the pump turned off, any= =E2=80=9C squirt=E2=80=9D pressure left is due to the slight stretch and return of the= enclosing=20 system components. The worst case scenario of this would be a leak in a=20 system using a high volume hydraulic accumulator. While the =E2=80=9Csquirt= =E2=80=9D would=20 continue until the accumulator reached equilibrium, it would make a real mes= s but=20 would not propel shrapnel in case of component failure. =20 As for =E2=80=9Cwhy not just go with steel=E2=80=9D ?? Plastic is lighter,=20= can be worked=20 with any woodworking tool, does not require pipe cutters, pipe threaders, pi= pe=20 wrenches or any welding equipment or skills. All components and tools may b= e=20 easily purchased at any small hardware store. This is not to say that in ma= ny=20 instances, steel or some metal is not superior or a better choice. When met= al=20 is the better choice, I use metal. There have been times when I have used=20 the square tube frame of a low profile wagon as an air tank, plastic would n= ot=20 do this. I have built 12=E2=80=9D diameter x 10=E2=80=9D long air tanks wit= hout metal tools=20 or welding, metal would not allow this.=20 =20 Bottom line, weigh all the variables: cost, available time, time needed for=20 various methods of production, available tools, crew skills, project needs,=20= and=20 then choose the method and materials needed for the project. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director U Mass Amherst, Dept of Theatre 112 Fine Arts Center West Amherst, MA 01003-9331 Phone: 413-545-6821 Fax: 413-577-0025 http://www.umass.edu/theater/=20 mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:42:16 -0500 From: Fierce Fish Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre Message-ID: <20050428024216.GC22596 [at] tragedy.biomass.to> References:

In-Reply-To: > >Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, of > >set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would be > >greatly appreciated. > If you have a shop nearby, that's probably the most convenient storage > space for scrap wood; that or the Dumpster. Seriously. It raises the cost > of creating a show marginally, but makes the living atmosphere that much > nicer. When I describe the theatre, that's it for our space, full stop :) Our stuff is currently scattered among many members' basements, which is a considerable problem given the periodic nature of people's participation. We're hoping to bring as much home as we can. We're not planning on storing a great deal of scrap wood - you're right, it is simply not worth it, but we don't have the budget to toss useful 2x4s and certainly need to store the flats and risers somewhere onsite when not in use. Hence the need for creativity and miracle working. > Props and costumes likewise might be better stored at a separate location. > They take up a large amount of room if you store them correctly (rather > than the "big heap" method), and often need special storage requirements, > especially costumes. Again, not the shop. We do not have a huge costume storage requirement (because we don't have storage, so rarely keep costumes, which is unfortunate) and I suspect I can find hanging storage in the new green room (it being 12' I can hopefully run some rails above head level at one end). But this place is our only guarranteed spot - random members come and go, but the theatre stays put :) > Lights you may be able to get away with hanging as part of a rep plot, or > dead-hanging in an under-used portion of the grid. That's a good idea. We got a grant to get new lights, a new grid and a new board and dimmers (woo!) but that's not really my department. I'm just a carpenter. > What you may want to do is rent a storage unit, or build a shed adjacent to > the theater. Although sheds often have less stringent building requirements > than other buildings, you should still check with your building inspector, > and perhaps the zoning committee. Unfortunately, there literally is no room to build a shed. The only reason we can build the theatre even as big as we are is because we're grandfathered in on the old foundation - if it wasn't a rebuild, it'd have to be even smaller. Plus, it is in a historic part of town, so they want things to be pretty. We do have room out front, but they are demanding benches and trees and pretty things. The rental unit is certainly a possibility, though budget is, as always, tight, especially for ongoing expenses. Thanks for the ideas, though. I know I'm asking for the impossible (Give me a way to stick 10 ten pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag) but one can always hope... -cdr ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4270554D.F45BCA3B [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:15:25 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: commas References: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > --- "Karl G. Ruling" wrote: > > Only in the worst asthma attack would a person need > > to take a breath > > after "go." In that case, if commas marked breathing > > points, the > > sentence would be "Go, get, him, surgeons!" What > > would that mean? > > That you were listening to James T. Kirk! Or someone suffering from an severe case of congestive heart failure. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42705943.F0F27B38 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:32:19 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre References: Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, of > > set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would be > > greatly appreciated. > > > It sounds to me like you'll need to consider off-premises storage. A > mini-warehouse is a solution used by one community theatre around here, > whilst another uses a member's barn. Pickup trucks transport as needed. > > Not ideal, but neither is your situation. Pretty much this is the only solution for you. You may be able to strike a deal with one of the local U-store-it places trading a storage unit for a free ad or sponsor listing in your production's program books. Storage in a theater is always a problem. Lighting stuff can be left hanging in the air until you need it. Sets take up a lot of space, and don't often compact very well. Another somewhat more labor intensive approach is to just get outside storage for when you are actually running performances. After closing night, everything gets brought back and placed in the black box area, once you have stacked up all the chairs. Schlep them to a new storage place shortly before opening night of the next show. IF there are other theater companies in the area that are struggling, coming to some sort of sharing/cooperation arrangement for all sorts of things may be doable. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050427224542.01e37168 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:46:05 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Drape hampers In-Reply-To: References:

Most of them are made by Dandux... At 03:34 PM 4/27/2005, Barney Simon wrote: >>They all appear to be the same. > >They probably are. There are not that many manufacturers of canvas hampers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:48:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > IF there are other theater companies in the area that are struggling, > coming to some sort of sharing/cooperation arrangement for all sorts of > things may be doable. I have long theorised that if all the Community Theatres in the area banded together and pooled their resources, they could afford a fantastic facility. It could include shop space as well as good storage for sets, props and costumes. Possibly even rehearsal space. It would require a lot of co-ordination and co-operation. Unfortunately there's far too much politics and personality issues amongst the various groups, so it's unlikely to ever happen. Oh well - I can dream! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001e01c54ba5$67cad400$6500a8c0 [at] yourfsyly0jtwn> From: "Daryl Redmon" References:

Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:50:22 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fierce Fish" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre >> >Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, >> >of >> >set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would >> >be >> >greatly appreciated. One suggestion that I have not heard from the list is what my church is doing as we meet in a gym. We have purchased 2 40' containers the type that are used on flat-bed trucks. Tons of storage space and we place each departments supplies in smaller storage bins that we roll in and out of the containers. We purchased the containers used at very low cost. Another option is having several trailers that can be stored off site and then brought in when the theater is in production. Daryl Redmon Resounding Light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:51:19 -0400 From: patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu Subject: Re: Lighting Question Message-id: <17ecb6c17e88c0.17e88c017ecb6c [at] colstate.edu> Tony heard Frank say: > > I have never had a problem. Two, at most four UV tubes will > handle quite a > > large stage. Remember that the light is emitted by the paint. > > And then derisively responded: > Do you have to plug that paint in to get it to emit light? Or > does it just > do it by magic? > > Gee Frank, with as much of a stickler as you are for details and > semantics,I would have thought you would have known better than to > write something > like that. Paint will reflect light all day long, but never emit it. But, as I understand it, we were talking about fluorescent light. Don't the phosphors in the paint actually absorb the UV light, convert the energy to visible light, and then _emit_ it? In fact, the UV tubes aren't fluorescing at all -- they are producing UV energy and the tube is just filtering out any energy above or below UV in the spectrum. It is actually the paint that is fluorescent, just like the white powder inside the regular fluorescent tubes in my office here...accept UV light, convert it to a lower wavelength, and emit it. It's all those other materials that are either reflecting it (but we can't see it) or absorbing it (which we can't see either). Shine a blue light on a red object, you get no light reflecting. Shine a UV source on a non-fluorescent surface, and you can't see it either. \< Kevin Patrick theatre.colstate.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050427225140.01dcb9f0 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:54:52 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university In-Reply-To: References:

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1370.htm I started to pull some quotes off this page, and decided that there are many relevant ones. Mike At 05:46 PM 4/27/2005, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >Wisdom knows no nationality. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050427230231.01e6ec20 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:08:36 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Lighting Question In-Reply-To: References: Shine a UV light at any surface, and you can't see it. The human eye is not equipped to respond to light of that wavelength. You can see the results of the energy of the light, but not the light itself. But the light seen from a fluorescent surface is not reflected--it is light in its own right, generated through interaction with UV. In fact, UV DOES reflect off most surfaces--rather well, in fact. You can get a pretty nasty sunburn on an overcast day. And on a sunny day in the middle of winter, you can get a sunburn in the most unexpected places. UV exposure is the major cause of sunburn. Mike At 10:51 PM 4/27/2005, patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu wrote: >blue light on a red object, you get no light reflecting. Shine a UV >source on a non-fluorescent surface, and you can't see it either. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050427225651.031181c0 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:16:26 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: CD80 dimmer pack trouble In-Reply-To: References: Several years ago, we had a perplexing flicker problem that manifested itself at the same dimmer on a 6-dimmer IPS dimmer strip. It didn't happen every time the system was energized, but when it did, it always took time - usually after about 15 - 20 minutes of use. And it wasn't constant, mostly during level changes. We thought there was a DMX512 cable termination problem or signal ground loop problem - the contractor let the cable shield rest on the grounded metal back box in multiple locations. Un-terminating the DMX512 line during troubleshooting helped the problem, but didn't eliminate it. The cause was a poor Insulation Displacement Termination in the internal control harness. As the normal heat inside the dimmer strip built up, the insulation softened and the wire would back out of the connector slightly, making for an intermittent contact and flicker. The connector was replaced and the problem went away. Never happened again on that or any other job. So, if the other recommended solutions don't solve the problem, look at the control harnesses or PCB connections inside and make sure they are clean, intact, and solid. Regards, . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter stagecraft [at] DesignRelief.com Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlyte.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 :: +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.lolcontrols.com http://www.vari-lite.com :: http://www.genlyte.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:16:54 -0500 Subject: "Genie" lift recommendation... From: Steve Jones Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I am shopping for a "genie" lift for our theatre. I need a 30' working height, battery operable, and as small a outrigger footprint as possible/safe. Any recommendations of a specific manufacturer / model? Thanks! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:22:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Another thought re: limited storage. Think of it as a challenge to practice minimalism! Lots of creative theatre can be done without risers, flats etc. Perhaps a few simple, flexible pieces that can be re-arranged in numerous configurations? Cubes in various sizes that can nest for storage when not in use - things like that. Perhaps the lack of storage is a blessing in disguise! It's an opportunity to flex your ingenuity. You just have to be creative. Focus more on the acting and less on the sets. (Is this blasphemy to say on a stagecraft list? Well, you can still use creative lighting!) Sometimes it's the attitude with which you approach a problem that can make the biggest difference. (Make lemonade and all that.) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:33:46 GMT Subject: Re: "Genie" lift recommendation... Message-Id: <20050427.213407.23871.532114 [at] webmail01.lax.untd.com> Look a 'Condor' before you settle on 'Genie'. /s/ Richard I am shopping for a "genie" lift for our theatre. I need a 30' working height, battery operable, and as small a outrigger footprint as possible/safe. Any recommendations of a specific manufacturer / model? Thanks! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:38:15 -0500 Subject: Re: "Genie" lift recommendation... From: Steve Jones Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sorry - didn't mean to imply I was going with a Genie. That's why I put "Genie" in quotes. Was just using the name generically. Steve On 4/27/05 11:33 PM, "ladesigners [at] juno.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Look a 'Condor' before you settle on 'Genie'. > /s/ Richard > > I am shopping for a "genie" lift for our theatre. I need a 30' working > height, battery operable, and as small a outrigger footprint as > possible/safe. > Any recommendations of a specific manufacturer / model? > Thanks! > Steve > > > > ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <59.268275c1.2fa1c337 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:40:23 EDT Subject: Re: Drape hampers In a message dated 4/27/5 5:22:25 PM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << What does anyone think about adding a commercial section to the website? >> Several of us, including Noah, are already on "Linkedin" which is an online networking site. May I suggest that rather than adding to stagecraft, we invite those of you who are interested in things of a more commercial nature to register on the linked in site? http://www.linkedin.com Kristi R-C Good to be back!!! P.S. Pat - of all the groups of people on the planet, this is one of the few where a majority know what a "petard" is!!! I haven't laughed that hard in weeks! ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <158.4fcb6281.2fa1c527 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:48:39 EDT Subject: Re: statistics on theater at university May I suggest you approach it from the standpoint of what theatre experiences do for other departments? E.g. :*Art and design students get to build practical things. Future lawyers, salespeople and teachers have a venue to work on public speaking skills. If your school prepares English teachers, they need to have that experience as many of them will be called upon to direct or assist with theatre in high schools. Mathmatics is used for practical purposes (determining how much paint to buy, angels for set pieces, etc.) Dance students have a venue to perform. Public relations value for the university in the eyes of community members who come to see plays. One of the things I love about teaching theatre is it is the class where (for my 8th graders anyway) they USE what they learn about in the other classes. HTH Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <159.5017e9fc.2fa1c620 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:52:48 EDT Subject: Re: Posit mill /Google Whack Cc: mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com In a message dated 4/27/5 12:13:35 PM, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: << a google search, you get one return:>> That's called a 'Google Whack" No, I'm not making that up. There's a book about a guy who did it and then traveled around the world to meet the people named in each "whack" asking each wackee to find the next whack. Don't remember the author off hand. Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Fred Young" Subject: RE: Autocad 2004 or higher rendering references Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:01:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42706e1d.1b2f087e.5ae0.4e14 [at] mx.gmail.com> Are you looking for 3d modeling or just rendering? Fred Young -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Sean L Culligan Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:24 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Autocad 2004 or higher rendering references For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I am wondering if anybody out there has an recommendations of reference materials (websites, books, etc.) for learning how to do renderings in Autocad? I know how to do them in Vectorworks but am looking to expand my knowledge into the realm of Autocad more for facility renderings. Of course I can find plenty listed online, but any opinions or recommendations from people who have used them would be great. Any thoughts? TIA. Sean Culligan Masters of Fine Arts Candidate '06 Technical Design and Production 203-500-6132 www.culligantheatrical.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007501c54bb0$8cf486d0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: "Genie" lift recommendation... Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:10:09 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" > Sorry - didn't mean to imply I was going with a Genie. That's why I put > "Genie" in quotes. Was just using the name generically. Don't you mean 'genierically'? Oh, and use more commas. You look a little short of breath. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4270747C.3020109 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:28:28 -0400 From: Sean L Culligan Subject: Re: Autocad 2004 or higher rendering references References: In-Reply-To: 3d modeling w/ textures, lighting, etc. -- Sean Culligan Masters of Fine Arts Candidate '06 Technical Design and Production 203-500-6132 www.culligantheatrical.com Fred Young wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Are you looking for 3d modeling or just rendering? > >Fred Young > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Sean L >Culligan >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:24 PM >To: Stagecraft >Subject: Autocad 2004 or higher rendering references > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hello all, > >I am wondering if anybody out there has an recommendations of reference >materials (websites, books, etc.) for learning how to do renderings in >Autocad? I know how to do them in Vectorworks but am looking to expand >my knowledge into the realm of Autocad more for facility renderings. Of >course I can find plenty listed online, but any opinions or >recommendations from people who have used them would be great. Any >thoughts? TIA. > >Sean Culligan >Masters of Fine Arts Candidate '06 >Technical Design and Production >203-500-6132 >www.culligantheatrical.com > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:32:36 GMT Subject: Re: confetti cannons Message-Id: <20050427.223250.23871.532470 [at] webmail01.lax.untd.com> I have never had a mishap using LEXAN tubing that is virtually identical dimensionally to 4" (or larger) schedule 80 pipe but is manufactured for use in the creation of inspection 'windows' in fire suppression loops in which all the valves, fittings, and all the other components are rated at 300 PSI [Yes, the meters do tell me they rarely see a working pressure above a fairly constant 150 PSI (+/- ~10 PSI) depending on the time of day.] ['Dry' standpipes are not an option on some jobs, and lengths of 4/0 or 2000 MCM braid are used to assure ground continuity past the short piece of LEXAN.] /s/ Richard If you don't have the budget to buy or rent cannons please use appropriate industrial materials. Steel, aluminum, brass. Bill Schaffell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:34:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Posit mill From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >=20 > I believe it's actually a "posset" mill. >=20 > Noun: posset p=F3sit > Sweet spiced hot milk curdled with ale or beer It was spelled Posit in the programme, and in the script. Several of you replied on or off list with the "Posset" theory, and I suppose that probably is correct. "Posset" is not in my copy of the OED - How do you guys KNOW this stuff= ? This is likely the only forum where such eclectic knowledge is brought together!=20 Thanks to all who replied. Bruce --=20 Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:28:55 GMT Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre Message-Id: <20050427.232913.23871.532682 [at] webmail01.lax.untd.com> Suggestions: (1) Find a local factory or warehouse that will loan you some remote parking spaces in return for advertising or comps. (2) Obtain some used 53' long oceangoing shipping containers cheaply. (3) Place shipping containers in parking spaces provided. (4) Obtain strong locks and powerful 12 volt fluorescent lights, deep cycle batteries, and an appropriate battery charger. /s/ Richard Any ideas for innovative storage of lights, of draperies, of scrap wood, of set pieces, stage jacks, flats, props, costumes or anything else would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4270931A.8030401 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:39:06 +0200 From: Judy Cc: tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com (Steve Larson) Subject: university theater statistics Steve Larson wrote: >Which university are you talking about. Sorry, maybe should have made that clear. I'm in Israel, this is Tel Aviv University. Till about six years ago it was the only university in the country with a theater department which taught practical as well as theoretical studies. One other university here has opened a theater department recently but it has similar problems, and last year they closed down the theater where the students had been doing productions, so there's no place there to practice. Ours has a university theater which sells tickets to the general public and does lots of plays. > Our Into to Theatre >classes might have as many as 120 students. This is >the bread and butter that allows design classes of 10 >or acting classes of 15. Show them overall numbers, >not specifics of each class . The authorities have no problem with classes like Intro to theater. That's going to remain, along with various history and analysis courses. They just want to cut out all the acting and design classes, anything that needs to be done in small groups. >When you say nearly all the good designers, directors, >and playwrights came out of your department, you are >making a mighty big statement as to why the department >should continue to exist. Why are they not standing up for >you now? They are. The trouble is they have no real weight on the politicians and economists who are making the decisions. The university is being taken away from the academics and run as a business - only one more of the many terribly things that are happening in this country, but this list is no place to talk about that. I really feel passionately about this, not only because I value my job, but because I see my country slipping further and further down into a black pit where culture and intellectual thought are devalued and the only thing that's important is political power and money. (us and much of the world, I guess, right?) >You are also putting down an awful lot of good schools, >if the best came from your school. As I said, there aren't any others here. Most Israelis can't afford to go to the US to study! Judy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050427190738.00ad4520 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:07:38 From: CB Subject: Re: Confetti cannons >I made one of these for a show, be careful, a door at the end of a long >hall now has a hole in it. And a full sized McCaw will jsut about die (keeling over and lying on the deck for five or six minutes before recovering) when hit full on in the tailfeathers. WYDK,YCTA. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050427191620.00ad4520 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:16:20 From: CB Subject: Re: Dance Floor Replacement >You actually have a buddy named Gator. Yeah, when Mouse and Hacksaw, saw that, they went to Gob and Ratsh*t and told them about it, and they told Wreck, who told Crowbar, and he told Truck... Cheez, what're ya, new? ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4095.64.28.51.205.1114672351.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CD-80 flickering problem From: "Bill Nelson" I am the person whom has been doing most of the troubleshooting of the CD-80 flickering problem at ACT that Don Taco mentioned. I tried everything that was suggested (before reading the suggestions) except setting the total channels number on the board to various different values. I suspect that this would not have any effect since the problem occurred when I removed the DMX board and converter and substituted the old Mantrix AMX board. Some further information that Don may not have mentioned: The flickering occurred, no matter which of the two packs was first in line on the daisy chained control cable. The flickering occurs only when a control signal is present. But it only occurs on one pack - the chained pack does not exhibit the problem. The flickering was in the second pack. Substituting my spare control logic board into that pack did not stop the flickering, but putting it into the first (non-flickering) pack did - for 24+ hours (including one performance). About 3/4 through the next night's show. the flickering started again. The next day, I started the flickering, then was able to stop it by turning off dimmer 3. Don left shortly after, so he did not know that it was not a total cure. By changing other light levels, I was able to make the flickering start again. I went in the next day to do further troubleshooting, and everything was working fine. I could not get any blips or flickering at all. So the possibilities seem to be limited. 1) Both the original pack control board and my spare have the same problem - extremely unlikely. 2) The light board and converter have been eliminated, since the problem continued when I swapped in the old light board. The cable from the board to the wall connector is also eliminated, as I swapped that out as well. 3) Either the data cable, connector at either end or the jumper cable between packs is intermittant/bad. But that seems to be unlikely since the second pack does not have any flickering problem. 4) Something besides the control logic board in the pack is causing the problem. It is hard to imagine what - as there is little there besides the inductors and the SCR power cubes. I checked all connections to make sure they are tight. This is a real puzzler - and it being intermittant makes it even worse. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050427231655.03679bd8 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:17:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Drape hampers In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:25 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: >What does anyone think about adding a commercial section to the website? We'd be willing to pay a small amount for a small listing. The proceeds to go to help run the list, or to the annual Stagecraft Peeps Party...whatever. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:50:16 +0100 From: Tony Miller Reply-To: Tony Miller Subject: Re: Posit mill /Google Whack In-Reply-To: References: The author was called Dave Gorman. His first book was about a bet he made with his flatmate that he could find 50 people with the name Dave Gorman and they both set off around the world to find them. The Google Whack book was the follow up. Cheers=20 Tony Miller. On 4/28/05, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > That's called a 'Google Whack" >=20 > No, I'm not making that up. There's a book about a guy who did it and the= n > traveled around the world to meet the people named in each "whack" asking= each > wackee to find the next whack. Don't remember the author off hand. >=20 > Kristi >=20 > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #378 *****************************