Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/ClamAV http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22142990; Mon, 02 May 2005 03:02:12 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #384 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 03:01:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #384 1. Re: More fun with guns by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 2. This month in designer history by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 3. Re: CD-80 flickering problem - continuing saga by Stuart Wheaton 4. Re: Copper tubing by "Paul Guncheon" 5. Eartec TD 900 pro wireless comm system? by "Jon Ares" 6. Re: Bubble Machine Lifts, The Reality by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Theatre Sound List by CB 8. Re: Personal Ad: MWM Seeking Companionship by Loren Schreiber 9. Re: Suggestions in St. Petersburg? by "Paul Schreiner" 10. Re: Copper tubing by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 11. Lighting for architecture by "Michael Finney" 12. Re: Lighting for architecture by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 13. Aluminum Loads and Deflections by "Weston Wilkerson" 14. Bill's tale of woe (dimmers) by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 15. Hanging a bubble machine by Brendan Quigley 16. Re: Suggestions in St. Petersburg? by Reid G Johnson 17. Re: 3-Phase-Single Phase by Mitch Hefter 18. Re: Aluminum Loads and Deflections by Bill Sapsis 19. Re: Aluminum Loads and Deflections by "Weston Wilkerson" 20. Re: 3-Phase-Single Phase by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Need Source For Bosum's Whistle by "Steven J. Backus" 22. Re: Need Source For Bosum's Whistle by "Don Taco" 23. Re: Suggestions for Rome? by Kevin Lee Allen 24. Re: jefferson/adams by john penisten 25. Re: This month in designer history by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 26. Re: This month in designer history by Mike Brubaker 27. Custom Power Cable by Mike Benonis 28. Re: Light lab activities? by CB 29. Re: New Theater Space by CB 30. Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre by CB 31. Re: Copper Tubing by CB 32. Re: New Theater Space by "Occy" 33. Radiant Floor Heating by "Kurt Pragman" 34. Re: Phasing for Frank was RE: CD-80 flickering problem by "Occy" 35. Re: Bill's tale of woe (dimmers) by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: More fun with guns Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 05:57:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does that mean my move this month to Littleton one block from Columbine may be in jeopardy .... Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Randy Whitcomb Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:56 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: More fun with guns For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Guys like this are the reason TPTB are so risk adverse. In the TV story yesterday he said they had used pellet guns (airsoft type) before with permission, but it turns out the Archdiocese of Denver has a strict no guns policy even for toy guns. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2844070,00.html# Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: This month in designer history Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 10:28:56 -0400 Greetings list folk. Here are the designer related anniversaries for May that I have extrapolated from the newly posted May edition of This Month in Theatre History. Enjoy your heritage! Richard Finkelstein http://www.artslynx.org/theatre/ ============================ May 1 36th Anniversary of the death of lighting designer, Jean Rosenthal May 1 130th anniversary of the birth of Russian set and costume designer, Nikolay Ul'yanov May 2 486th Anniversary of the death of of Leonardo da Vinci May 3 93rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, Howard Bay May 3 56th Anniversary of the death of Mario Fortuny Y De Madrazo May 5 56th anniversary of the death of Russian set and costume designer, Nikolay Ul'yanov May 6 21st Anniversary of the death of designer, William Ritman May 7 103rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, Donald Oenslager May 9 108th Anniversary of the birth of lighting visionary, Stanley McCandless May 10 85th Anniversary of the birth of designer, Josef Svoboda May 10 139th Anniversary of the birth of Leon Bakst May 10 4th Anniversary of the death of stage lighting pioneer, Fred Bentham May 10 15th Anniversary of the death of designer, William Pitkin May 10 217th Anniversary of the birth of Augustin-Jean Fresnel who did NOT design the "Fresnel" lens! May 11 101st Anniversary of the birth of Salvador Dali May 11 134th Anniversary of the birth of Mario Fortuny Y De Madrazo May 12 73rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, David Mitchell May 16 15th Anniversary of the death of Jim Henson May 20 114th Anniversary of Edison's demonstration of the Kinetoscope May 22 55th Anniversary of the birth of designer, Paul de Pass May 23 123rd Anniversary of the birth of Russian Director,Designer, Theodore Komisarjevsky May 25 81st Anniversary of the death of Russian designer, Lyubov Popova May 26 133rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, Joseph Urban May 28 76th Anniversary of the birth of designer, Richard Hay May 28 63rd Anniversary of the death of stage photographer, George W. Lucas ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4274F8C7.3050905 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 11:41:59 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: CD-80 flickering problem - continuing saga References:

We stayed at the Hotel Artemide on Via Nationale near the Stazione=20 Termini this past New Year's Eve. Rather than join the many celebrants=20= in the streets, we opted for a night in the hotel room with friends and=20= little buffet. This sent us looking (all too late in the day) for=20 markets and we wound up at the 'pharmacy' in the train station. The=20 shops reminded us of Union Station in DC, without the US national=20 chains. The food we found, even there, was amazing. But, the real fun=20 was hanging with my buddy waiting for our wives to return from hunting=20= down some chocolate. Many had already begun to party and the people=20 watching was superb. I can only imagine what the return trips brought. On Apr 30, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > When I'm in London I stay at the hotel attached to Victoria Station. =20= > The > station is a great place to watch the people parade go by. Especially=20= > on a > Friday night after the pubs have closed. > > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 20:32:01 -0500 Subject: Re: jefferson/adams From: john penisten In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Chris, Just tell me where to ship, and how much you need. I knew there was a reason I still lived in Wisconsin, besides my wife. Offer stands for any other interested parties, within reason of course. > Leinenkugels's beer. This year, unfortunately, I was on the road and > the > beer went (I believe) to the sister-in-law's parents, ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: This month in designer history Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:37:49 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scary, Richard, to know that I actually knew six of these people on a personal level. I must be getting damn old. Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of RICHARD FINKELSTEIN Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:29 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: This month in designer history For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Greetings list folk. Here are the designer related anniversaries for May that I have extrapolated from the newly posted May edition of This Month in Theatre History. Enjoy your heritage! Richard Finkelstein http://www.artslynx.org/theatre/ ============================ May 1 36th Anniversary of the death of lighting designer, Jean Rosenthal May 1 130th anniversary of the birth of Russian set and costume designer, Nikolay Ul'yanov May 2 486th Anniversary of the death of of Leonardo da Vinci May 3 93rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, Howard Bay May 3 56th Anniversary of the death of Mario Fortuny Y De Madrazo May 5 56th anniversary of the death of Russian set and costume designer, Nikolay Ul'yanov May 6 21st Anniversary of the death of designer, William Ritman May 7 103rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, Donald Oenslager May 9 108th Anniversary of the birth of lighting visionary, Stanley McCandless May 10 85th Anniversary of the birth of designer, Josef Svoboda May 10 139th Anniversary of the birth of Leon Bakst May 10 4th Anniversary of the death of stage lighting pioneer, Fred Bentham May 10 15th Anniversary of the death of designer, William Pitkin May 10 217th Anniversary of the birth of Augustin-Jean Fresnel who did NOT design the "Fresnel" lens! May 11 101st Anniversary of the birth of Salvador Dali May 11 134th Anniversary of the birth of Mario Fortuny Y De Madrazo May 12 73rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, David Mitchell May 16 15th Anniversary of the death of Jim Henson May 20 114th Anniversary of Edison's demonstration of the Kinetoscope May 22 55th Anniversary of the birth of designer, Paul de Pass May 23 123rd Anniversary of the birth of Russian Director,Designer, Theodore Komisarjevsky May 25 81st Anniversary of the death of Russian designer, Lyubov Popova May 26 133rd Anniversary of the birth of designer, Joseph Urban May 28 76th Anniversary of the birth of designer, Richard Hay May 28 63rd Anniversary of the death of stage photographer, George W. Lucas ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050501210317.03f19368 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 21:04:17 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: This month in designer history In-Reply-To: References:

Dr. Doom, As long as one of them isn't Leonardo, you're doing fine... Mike At 08:37 PM 5/1/2005, Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson wrote: >Scary, Richard, to know that I actually knew six of these people on a >personal level. I must be getting damn old. Doom > >From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of RICHARD >FINKELSTEIN > >May 2 486th Anniversary of the death of of Leonardo da Vinci ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:16:16 -0400 Subject: Custom Power Cable From: Mike Benonis Message-ID: Does anyone know of any reputable dealers in the Washington, DC (Northern VA) area who can manufacture a custom power cable for me? I need a 50' SEOW 10/5 cable terminated with L21-20 twist lock connectors. Please reply off-list. Best regards, -Mike Benonis Senior and Sound Designer/Technician Stone Bridge High School 43100 Hay Road Ashburn, VA 20147 (703) 779-8900 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050501123057.00b30388 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:30:57 From: CB Subject: Re: Light lab activities? >If they used a lot of colour, they got it wrong. See the movie before you judge. There is color, and done so well that even a lowly squint reveled in the quality of the lighting, almost to the point of tears. The lighting was extrordinarily beautiful, and hugely representational of what might have been avalaible for the period, IMO. Saying that they heve erred without actually looking at anything that they have done, Frank, is the peak of pomposity. At least deign to look before you condemn. I'd love to see your esponse to a critic that said that your design was in error without seeing your show. Ya know, when you put your foot in your mouth like this, we'd forgive you far more often if, every once in a while, we got the barest minimum of an apology. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050501121536.00b30388 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:15:36 From: CB Subject: Re: New Theater Space >Heavy power feed for touring sound ampland. ...and room for those amps and their accompanying roadboxes and RF racks. Not on the sames side as the rail would be nice, and DSL seems to be traditional. >Large empty conduit ( 4 inch minimum, six inch better ) from ampland >to FOH mix position. Go at least 12" if you are going to use a conduit, and make as few turns as possible, with the radii as large as possible. 4" will almost never get used, unles the FOH guy needs to check e-mail and you can get an ethernet cable that long, or maybe for a coupla headset runs. The stuff I have running out to FOH on this small-ish setup is about 4" in diameter by itself, not to mention the connectors. Even without connectors I'd have to pull the runs all at once. And, speaking of pulling, some method of keeping a rope in the conduit should be discussed. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050501122116.00b30388 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:21:16 From: CB Subject: Re: Storage in a Tiny Theatre >> >The amount of gear to be stored expands to fill the available space, and >> >probably to overflow it. >Actually, it's a paraphrase of Parkinson's Law. "Work expands to fill the >time available." Most of these are true. Parkinson was a slacker. Usually the gig is done and I'm ready for the next before the next is ready for me. As far as I'm concerned, you want to milk something, work at a dairy. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050501130825.00b30388 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 13:08:25 From: CB Subject: Re: Copper Tubing >I spill about a tablespoon or two of soup into the sink after I've >poured the rest into a bowl, and then let the pan sit in it. Just the soup, or do you pour a coupla tbsp's into standing water? I like to add a bit of 2% milk to my Campbell's Tomato to give it some body, and to make it creamy, and then pepper the hell out of it (you can almost no longer taste that its a cheap canned soup after all that!). Anyone know if that'll change whatever chemical reaction we're starting? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: New Theater Space Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:21:29 -0700 Don't forget major power in the fore and main grid in 3 phase. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Farmer" > Front of house lighting positions that can be reached without ladders and > lifts. > Additional heavy power feeds for touring racks. > Heavy power feed for touring sound ampland. > Large empty conduit ( 4 inch minimum, six inch better ) from ampland > to FOH mix position. > Rehearsal location out in audience for lighting board/sound/etc. > Appropriate > cabling to support it. Power/intercom/DMX/lan. > Convenience outlets all over the place in the seating area. You never > know where you may want to put a follow spot or some damn thing > that needs power. Power plugs in the handicapped seating areas for > recharging their mobies. > Empty conduits from a central wiring closet or booth to everywhere > for future low voltage use. > Wifi access to regular LAN ( not the show control network ), and if > you are an educational institution, lots more power outlets for students > to plug in their laptops. > Empty conduits, power and mounting locations for cameras from > the local cable company public access channel. > Seats that are wider to accommodate the spreading butts of your > audiences. Remember that someone who comes to a show and > spends most of the evening concentrating on their uncomfortable > seat is probably not coming back. > Loading dock that you can back in a 53 foot semitrailer. Parking > spots > for the tour bus, with power, water, drain, phone and LAN connections. > Tall and wide doorways and hallways from the loading dock to the stage > and scene shop. > Showers in the dressing rooms. > Cable pass-throughs next to doorways, especially outside doors for > a recording or production truck. Consider a parking spot for a satellite > uplink truck. Power and cable passthroughs, and a equatorial view. > Courtesy monitors and sound system for lobby, bar/lounge, bathrooms, > and dressing rooms fed from fixed camera in the house. Zoned paging for > them as well. Integrate with fire alarm system. > Smoke detectors that can be turned off temporarily when using > smoke/haze/mist effects. Provision for automatic re-enabling of > smoke detectors after n hours. work with fire marshall on system > design. > Assuming you are in a no-smoking building area, a smokers exile > area that is comfortable, not too far away, and provided with a > courtesy monitor and sound during performances. No ventilation > intakes around the smokers area. > No lifts needed for handicapped access to stage, upper and > lower seating areas. Lifts are expensive and break down a lot. > Insist on on-site inspections during construction. Go on-site > at least twice a week to keep on top of things. Agreed upon > changes have an unfortunate habit of falling off the plans. Other > changes just happen without any design team consultation. > > --Dale > > ------------------------------ From: "Kurt Pragman" Subject: Radiant Floor Heating Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 01:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c54edb$172cbf20$0200a8c0 [at] shark> In-Reply-To: Scott, I put hydronic radiant heat in the basement slab, garage slab, and both floors. It turned out to be the single most tedious part of building = the house... and was worth every minute! It sounds like your basement ceiling is open. If you don't insulate it after stapling all that pipe up under the first floor you'll be = pleasantly surprised that it will radiate down to the slab just as effectively as = it radiates up through the floor. My basement zone under an unfinished = ceiling has never been used. Radiantec in Vermont was very helpful. BTW, I can't make the USITT meeting Monday. Kurt Pragman ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Phasing for Frank was RE: CD-80 flickering problem Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:28:22 -0700 Dan, You hit it on the nose as I been watching this thread since it started. It is a ground problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mills" To> > > > > Apparently, your cookers are higher wattage than ours. > > The real place where this shows in in kettles which in the UK have 13A > plugs > and are often rated at between 2 and 3KW. > > The American ones just cannot compete! > > REF the CD-80 problems, try running a heavy earth between the rack and the > console. I have never used AMX, but in D54 installations (an even more > half > assed analogue mux protocol) you often see strange flickers due to earth > noise. > > As both of these systems are single ended with respect to thee level > control > signal I can see the same problem in AMX as I have painful experience of > with > D54. > > Sometimes just running a extension lead from near the racks to power the > desk > (and its video monitor!) will solve this problem. > > I do not miss analogue controlled dimmers! > > Regards, Dan. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1095.64.28.53.88.1115027401.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Bill's tale of woe (dimmers) From: "Bill Nelson" >> Meanwhile, there is a show that is just under two weeks from opening >> night. If it is going to fail, I hope it does so quickly - so we can >> call >> in a factory trained technician to look at it. > > Bill: why would you not call in the factory trained tech NOW???? > Something is identifiably broken, you've chased down pretty much every > option, and are getting into some really deep levels of trying to source > the problem. If it were my choice, I would have called a tech a week ago. But this is a community theatre on a very tight budget, and I have to convince the management that such an expenditure is necessary. The nearest factory authorized tech is several hours drive away. And if the equipment does not act up, then it is unlikely that he will find anything to fix. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #384 *****************************