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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #388

 1. Re: Sunscreen
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 2. Re: Big Compass
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 3. Re: 1940's Night Club Pix
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 4. Re: 1940's Night Club Pix
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
 5. Re: Wildfire UV paints
    by Gregg Carville <gcarville [at] gmail.com>
 6. Re: Wildfire UV paints
    by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
 7. "Mousetrap" devices - I think you mean "Deathtrap"
    by "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
 8. kauai
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
 9. Re: kauai
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
10. Re: Sunscreen
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
11. Re: kauai - WAY OT!
    by "Scheu Consulting Services" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
12. Re: Dennis needs a card
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
13. Re[2]: Cow Eye  - WAY OT!
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
14. National Electrical Code
    by Chuck Mitchell <chmitche [at] wisc.edu>
15. Re: National Electrical Code
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
16. Re: National Electrical Code
    by "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
17. Re: National Electrical Code
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
18. Re: site ?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
19. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
20. Re: Dennis needs a card
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
21. Re: Tucson show
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
22. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
23. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
24. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by David Duffy <david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au>
25. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
26. Re: kauai - WAY OT!
    by "Douglas McCracken" <dbasMcCracken [at] hawaii.rr.com>
27. Fog machines and Snow Machines
    by Michael Christensen <Christensen [at] charlestonstage.com>
28. Re: Fog machines and Snow Machines
    by "Chad Croteau" <cpcroteau [at] kelcom.igs.net>

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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 01:10:22 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Sunscreen
Message-id: <025301c55163$0949c990$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>

<<Light shirt AND sunscreen?  I CAN go for a week on the island of Kaua`i
with no sunscreen at all, I normally don't get burned.  That should help.>>

I think they're talking about "out" of the hotel ballroom.

Actually most people ca be outside in the sun here with no protection.  They
simply will get horribly sun burned.   As we work with a lot of people from
outside Hawaii, and quite often outside the U.S., we tend to constantly
remind them to put on sun block.  The air is so clean here that 20 minutes
of beach sun form 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. is like a couple of hours of mainland
sun.  I have worked with some truly miserable people on the second day of a
multi day commercial shoot.

I'm at the point where I can work all day on the beach and, if I don't
remember to put on sun block (Babyface 50 preferred) I will only get a minor
burn.  Sunburn is easily avoidable and is actually no fun  Why risk it?

Laters,

Paul

"I've run out of wool," said Tom, knitting his brow.


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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 01:30:33 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Big Compass
Message-id: <027c01c55165$dae080a0$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>

<<In my attempt to get Paul better information, I found
http://www.gladstonetools.com, which has way big compasses (up to 24" legs)
that take pencils or metal points, and max out at $28. >>

For my money, they're too big and unwieldy for smaller circles, i.e. in the
6" - 8" range.  This one

http://www.gladstonetools.com/301-4006.html

seems to be the one.

Mahalo,

Paul

"I flatly deny this," said Tom under pressure.


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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 01:39:18 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 1940's Night Club Pix
Message-id: <028001c55167$137c1ef0$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>

 <<Rent  THE COTTON CLUB,   CABARET


Those are 30's.

(Not to say that in the 40's, clubs no longer looked like 30's clubs,
but...)>>

I'm a liitle lost here.  Is the quest for pictures of 1940's (only)
nightclubs in Ohio (only)?

I would submit that:

Institutions don't tend to redecorate because of the year.

Classic institutions tend not to change their look at all.

I can't imagine you're going to find an indigenous "1940 Ohio Nightclub"
genre, but I would be quite interested in what you do find to distinguish
Ohio nightclubs from say, Indiana ones... besides a name.

Laters,

Paul

"Do you know the location?" asked Tom warily.


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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:02:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 1940's Night Club Pix
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BE9F83A9.72D7%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-22198503 [at] prxy.net>

>> (Not to say that in the 40's, clubs no longer looked like 30's clubs,
>> but...)
> 
> I'm a liitle lost here.  Is the quest for pictures of 1940's (only)
> nightclubs in Ohio (only)?
> 
No No No No!!!!

    Unless I drastically misunderstood the situation, the quest is only for
"1940's era night-clubs". The original poster simply happens to live and
work in Ohio, and referenced that in his Sig. file. Someone else misread the
whole thing, and this thread took an unfortunate wrong turn!

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



     


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Message-ID: <2c0e151605050506213246d132 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:21:12 -0400
From: Gregg Carville <gcarville [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Gregg Carville <gcarville [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wildfire UV paints
In-Reply-To: <list-22184704 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-22184704 [at] prxy.net>

Or for example one could send electricity through an inert pickle, and
those suckers glow!

-Gregg

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Cc: gcarville [at] gmail.com ('Gregg Carville')
Subject: RE: Wildfire UV paints
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:44:12 -0400
Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System
In-Reply-To: <list-22199815 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20050505134414.DPFN25800.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

I can do a wireless pickle.

Jim


> Or for example one could send electricity through an inert 
> pickle, and those suckers glow!
> 
> -Gregg


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Reply-To: <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
From: "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
Subject: "Mousetrap" devices - I think you mean "Deathtrap"
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:22:26 -0500
Message-ID: <FFEKLPMABANLAIDPOAKBAEMKCKAA.drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>

I would like to weigh on on the following device "A blood squirting
garrote".
Technically, a garrote is intended to cut off the blood supply to the brain.
This is much like a choke hold with your hands.  One would have to be
extremely phyically strong to choke (i.e., crush the windpipe) a person to
death.  However, it is quite easy to slow or cut-off the blood supply to the
brain.
Likewise, the garrote was originally two iron collars place around a persons
neck.  One was fixed in place while the other was moveable by means of a
winch or capstan, thus dislocating the neck causing death.
The garrotte of "The Godfather" fame is similar to piano wire with wooden
handles on either end to give the used a better grip.  While the wire could
cut into the skin, it probably would not cut into the carotid artery which
would supply the squirting blood.  The tendons in the next would prevent
that.
That said, I suppose if you moved the garrote back and forth as a saw, you
might be able to cut through.

Sorry - I strive for reality in my stage combat.  I try not to indulge in
horror movie fantasy.  There are too many falicies floating around in the
world.

David K.

"For the theater is a despot, a tyrant to whom you must be willing to pay
tribute with every breathing moment."
Antoinette Perry



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Message-ID: <20050505145117.86492.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: kauai
In-Reply-To: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>

>> Light shirt AND sunscreen?  I CAN go for a week on
the island of 
Kaua`i>>

I am headed to Kauai for a couple of weeks. Can anyone
tell me what is a "NOT TO BE MISSED" while there?
Thanks,
Brian.



		
Discover Yahoo! 
Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! 
http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html 


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Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050505080349.02992d10 [at] localhost>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:09:10 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: kauai
In-Reply-To: <list-22201067 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-22201067 [at] prxy.net>

At 07:51 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote:
>I am headed to Kauai for a couple of weeks. Can anyone
>tell me what is a "NOT TO BE MISSED" while there?
>Thanks,
>Brian.

South shore is hot, lots of tourist hotels.  West shore is Barking Sands, 
really quiet, hot beach next to the Pacific Missile Test Range.  East shore 
is medium hot, tourist.  North shore is more overcast, fewer beaches, more 
condos, quieter.  Center is the canyon, don't miss it.

If you're into hiking, I believe the county still gives out free topo maps 
(the real ones, not gas station maps).  Go to the County Building in Lihue, 
find the Parks Dept. and you'll have to show ID that you're from out of 
state and haven't gotten a map before (one per family).

Note, a lot of trails now have fences across them part way in, private land 
is taking over the nice center of the island.

If you're into diving or surfing, North Shore.


----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
Los Gatos, California, USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050505081232.029d8fb0 [at] localhost>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:22:26 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Sunscreen
In-Reply-To: <list-22198108 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-22197029 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-22198108 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:10 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote:
><<Light shirt AND sunscreen?  I CAN go for a week on the island of Kaua`i
>with no sunscreen at all, I normally don't get burned.  That should help.>>
>
>I think they're talking about "out" of the hotel ballroom.

You'll only find me in a ballroom if I'm setting up a show (or attending a 
StageCraft or Pyro party).  Maybe it's because I'm part Native 
American.  Maybe it's because I grew up in Florida.  Maybe it's because I 
don't lay out on beaches.

>Sunburn is easily avoidable and is actually no fun  Why risk it?

That part's true, I monitor my "burn rate" whenever I'm outside for any 
length of time.  I always take sunblock on trips, but don't use it unless 
it looks like I'll get even a small burn.  I can't see anyone following the 
"put on sun block anytime you're outdoors" unless they're the type who 
never goes outside.  I'd have to have it on all the time.

BTW, the really strong block causes reactions in some people.  My wife 
tried some of the 50 stuff while we were setting up a July 4th show and 
broke out about an hour later.  The operator of that show said he'd seen 
that in other people and his wife can't touch the stuff.  TEST any new 
sunblock before your vacation.


----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
Los Gatos, California, USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Scheu Consulting Services" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: kauai - WAY OT!
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:29:06 -0400
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAA1bZpsynRlEmU+FvEFWjBEAEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-22201067 [at] prxy.net>

Brian Ricie wrote:

>I am headed to Kauai for a couple of weeks. Can anyone
>tell me what is a "NOT TO BE MISSED" while there?
>Thanks,
>Brian.

OK folks, this is getting silly...

This is NOT a travel list or blog. If you want to reply to this, please do
so off list. My (and Noah's) e-mail server will be grateful.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com


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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Dennis needs a card
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:37:38 -0700

Huh?

Some of your best writing...

Mark-O



Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


On May 4, 2005, at 4:21 PM, CB wrote:

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Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:37:37 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <1515199061.20050505103737 [at] tcon.net>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
Subject: Re[2]: Cow Eye  - WAY OT!
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References: <list-22201067 [at] prxy.net> <list-22201469 [at] prxy.net>

Hello !

Thursday, May 5, 2005, Peter Scheu the sensible head around here wrote:

> This is NOT a travel list or blog.

True enough, and I'm almost as guilty as the next person for getting
off topic. Nevertheless, I believe a significant characteristic of our
craft is that we are gregrious folks who like to hang around after the
load-out and talk story over something cold, and I like the usually
friendly banter and opinions that flow through our loosely defined
group. If I were headed to an unknown destination I'd appreciate the
inside scoop on the area, although my trip would be ENTIRELY for
tax-deductible business purposes, of course!

In defense of my good friend Peter's comment, though, kindly be
efficient in your use of our list's generously and graciously provided
bandwidth.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com           mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   



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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:07:41 -0500
From: Chuck Mitchell <chmitche [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: National Electrical Code
Message-id: <000001c5519d$544795a0$0be25c90 [at] Chuck>

Does anyone know if there is an abridged version of the NEC that
contains the sections specifically relevant to theatre?  We recently
looked into getting a new version and found it to cost about 4 45 before
shipping!

Chuck Mitchell
Scene Studio Supervisor
University Theatre-University of Wisconsin Madison
608-263-3330
FAX 608-265-4075




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Message-ID: <427A8741.E8FAB1CE [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:51:13 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: National Electrical Code
References: <list-22203621 [at] prxy.net>



Chuck Mitchell wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Does anyone know if there is an abridged version of the NEC that
> contains the sections specifically relevant to theatre?  We recently
> looked into getting a new version and found it to cost about 4 45 before
> shipping!
>
> Chuck Mitchell
> Scene Studio Supervisor
> University Theatre-University of Wisconsin Madison
> 608-263-3330
> FAX 608-265-4075

    Never heard of one.  Seems not much of a point to it, since you will
still need to have about half of it anyway.  The theater and movie set
chapters are mostly just modifications to the basics that one already
has to follow.  And since the NEC code book sales are a major source
of income to the NFPA, they are unlikely to favor any reduced price
options.

    --Dale



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Subject: RE: National Electrical Code
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:29:43 -0400
Message-ID: <DB9E114BBEDEDD448CFB620864279EA4066B04 [at] win2kserverky.vlsoffice.com>
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Mitchell [mailto:chmitche [at] wisc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:08 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: National Electrical Code
snip

=20
> Does anyone know if there is an abridged version of the NEC that
> contains the sections specifically relevant to theatre?  We recently
> looked into getting a new version and found it to cost about=20
> 4 45 before

Not sure what "4 45" is.  Amazon has the Code book for $65.00 each- same =
as the non-member price from nfpa.org.  NFPA doesn't tend to give "Super =
Saver Shipping".  If that's $45.00- that's a good price I think. =20

You can also get the Handbook version, which has commentary, =
explanations, product illustrations, etc... for about $120.00 at both =
sources.  That extra information is great when you get into uncharted =
territory.=20

You will need all parts of the code to apply Article 520.  Article 520 =
is not inclusive of all you need  for theatres.

Paul

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Vincent Lighting Systems


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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 18:30:39 -0400
Subject: Re: National Electrical Code
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BEA016CF.5527%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-22206619 [at] prxy.net>

That's easy the upper case version of the 4 is the $.

Steve


> Not sure what "4 45" is. 


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050505163435.0170a7d0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:34:35
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: site ?

>As a reminder to all, it's much faster to contact me about site or list 
>problems at stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net than to write to the list.

We all have gigs where someone will 'depend' on us, regardless of what is
wrong.  Us'n's on the list will e-mail you directly for an 'issue', but
we'll just make note of it if it's a 'thing'.  We will, however, *always*
check with someone else tosee if they got the same diagnostics that we did
before we go knowcking on your door asking you to fix *our* 'issue'.  
But thanks, as always, we are grateful for the ten fingers that you do have
in the dike rather than cranky about the one occasional leak...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:38:10
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: ETC smartpack dimmers

> I think it was due to the briefest of short
>circuits when a lamp blows.

<'Nipper' mode>  Short when the lamp blows?  Er?!?  OK, so I am a total
skweek, but someone tell me that I ain't imagining that the lamp goes into
an open circuit when it blows.  Or is it some bit of esoterica that you
guys are sworn to keep secret?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050505165313.0170e598 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:53:13
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Dennis needs a card

Dang, my bad.  Noah, I know that this comes on the heels of you telling me
not to post any portion of SPAM to the list, but its just that "Stagecraft"
and "SpamReport" are so very close together on my recipients list, and I'm
so very stupid!  
My apologies to all!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050505165732.0170e598 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:57:32
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Tucson show

>> So, Jerry, willya teach me to blow stuff up good in exchange for slave
>> labor?
>
>It's "blow stuff up REAL good" Chris.

It's "That blowed up good!"  "Yeah, REAL good".  There are at least three
levels of blwed up quality (and several subsets), but I figured going
straight to blowed up REAL good would miss some of the basics.  I have
already bowed stuff up well, and blowed stuff up unexpectedly well, and
blowed stuff up unexpectedly, not to mention CO2 and soda bottle
experimants too numerous to mention (and to have survived intact!), but I
want to do this right!


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Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050505171151.029eba00 [at] localhost>
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:12:22 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
In-Reply-To: <list-22207979 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-22207979 [at] prxy.net>

At 09:38 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote:
><'Nipper' mode>  Short when the lamp blows?  Er?!?  OK, so I am a total
>skweek, but someone tell me that I ain't imagining that the lamp goes into
>an open circuit when it blows.  Or is it some bit of esoterica that you
>guys are sworn to keep secret?


You can get a short and/or high voltage spike.  [fill in lots of 
techno-babble here]



----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
Los Gatos, California, USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: ETC smartpack dimmers
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:19:02 -0400
Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System
In-Reply-To: <list-22207979 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20050506011903.JYQW26128.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

A lamp is a short for the split second when it is first powered on cold,
every time it is powered on cold.  The larger the filament, the longer it
takes for the impedance to rise and not be a short anymore.  Stalled motors
also present a high load when first powered, and when stalled.  These are
circumstances that any useful power driver must be capable of handling
repeatedly.

I too may be missing something, but I don't see how a lamp becomes a short
when it blows.  Certainly not a short that is more severe than a good lamp
starting cold.

But I'm always ready to learn...

Jim
 
> > I think it was due to the briefest of short circuits when a lamp 
> >blows.
> 
> <'Nipper' mode>  Short when the lamp blows?  Er?!?  OK, so I 
> am a total skweek, but someone tell me that I ain't imagining 
> that the lamp goes into an open circuit when it blows.  Or is 
> it some bit of esoterica that you guys are sworn to keep secret?


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Message-ID: <427AC93D.1040205 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:32:45 +1000
From: David Duffy <david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au>
Subject: Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
References: <list-22209334 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-22209334 [at] prxy.net>

jsmith at theatrewireless.com wrote:

>A lamp is a short for the split second when it is first powered on cold,
>every time it is powered on cold.  The larger the filament, the longer it
>takes for the impedance to rise and not be a short anymore.  Stalled motors
>also present a high load when first powered, and when stalled.  These are
>circumstances that any useful power driver must be capable of handling
>repeatedly.
>
>I too may be missing something, but I don't see how a lamp becomes a short
>when it blows.  Certainly not a short that is more severe than a good lamp
>starting cold.
>
>But I'm always ready to learn...
>  
>

Sometimes the filament collapses on itself causing a momentary short.
The voltage is then flowing across a much shorter section of filament.
Have you ever seen a household lamp blow when you turned it on?
Sometimes it's very bright for a split second before it blows open again.
David...

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: ETC smartpack dimmers
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:34:06 -0400
Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System
In-Reply-To: <list-22209457 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20050506013407.SOOV26102.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

Ah, yes... I see exactly what you mean.  Thank you!

Jim
 
> Sometimes the filament collapses on itself causing a momentary short.


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From: "Douglas McCracken" <dbasMcCracken [at] hawaii.rr.com>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
Subject: RE: kauai - WAY OT!
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:17:06 -1000
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA5RA21qhZtUKZk8ARC9sJzcKAAAAQAAAAlhkdDxLQbUumFYQTt7UzTQEAAAAA [at] hawaii.rr.com>
In-reply-to: <list-22201469 [at] prxy.net>

He may be asking for productions that should not be missed. But then, I tend
to always give the benefit of the doubt.

Having just come from Kaua'i just this morning, I can say that there is nada
as far as productions to see. 


Aloha,

Douglas



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of Scheu Consulting Services
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:29 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: kauai - WAY OT!
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
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> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Brian Ricie wrote:
> 
> >I am headed to Kauai for a couple of weeks. Can anyone tell 
> me what is 
> >a "NOT TO BE MISSED" while there?
> >Thanks,
> >Brian.
> 
> OK folks, this is getting silly...
> 
> This is NOT a travel list or blog. If you want to reply to 
> this, please do so off list. My (and Noah's) e-mail server 
> will be grateful.
> 
> Peter Scheu
> 
> Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
> www.scheuconsulting.com
> 


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Message-ID: <427AF369.5030806 [at] charlestonstage.com>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:32:41 -0400
From: Michael Christensen <Christensen [at] charlestonstage.com>
Subject: Fog machines and Snow Machines

I am with Charleston Stage Company in Charleston South Carolina.
My Artistic Director has asked me to contact other Theatre Companies (so 
I use the list) to get your opinions about different fog and snow 
machines that you have used.   We have gotten some funding to beef up 
our Atmosphere effects.  I'm  also looking for any one who has used a 
snow machines like Le Maitre´s Silent Storm . My Artistic director wants 
to buy some of these for Christmas Carol. We have an aqua fogger but dry 
ice is getting so pricey that I am looking into the Le Maitre LSX and 
the Rosco Cold flow. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Michael Christensen
Prop Master
Charleston Stage Company
christensen [at] charlestonstage.com


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Message-ID: <000d01c551f9$918694f0$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun>
From: "Chad Croteau" <cpcroteau [at] kelcom.igs.net>
References: <list-22211714 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Fog machines and Snow Machines
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 01:07:55 -0400

Hi Mr. Christensen,

The LeMaitre LSG (as opposed to the LSX) is a very effective low-fog
generator.  I had the chance to see it in action not too long ago, and it
does a great job of producinge large amounts of low-lying fog.  Sound may be
a bit of an issue, as it has a bit of a "woof" noise from the rush of the
CO2 it uses.  It's not too bad, though.  I can't speak for the Rosco
Coldflow or the LeMaitre LSX, as I've never seen them in action.

Hope this helps,


Chad



>We have an aqua fogger but dry
> ice is getting so pricey that I am looking into the Le Maitre LSX and
> the Rosco Cold flow. Any thoughts would be appreciated.




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