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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #389

 1. lamps shorting
    by Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
 2. Power Tool Drags-OT
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 3. Re: lamps shorting
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
 4. Re: Power Tool Drags -OT
    by mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
 5. Re: lamps shorting
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 6. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 7. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
 8. Re: National Electrical Code
    by "Mitch Hefter" <stagecraft [at] DesignRelief.com>
 9. Re: Sunscreen
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
10. Re: ETC smartpack dimmers
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
11. Re: National Electrical Code
    by "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
12. Re: NEC
    by "Keith Fleschner" <keithfleschner [at] msn.com>
13. Re: National Electrical Code
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
14. Re: Fog machines and Snow Machines
    by "Kacey Fisher" <Kacey [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
15. SO, What is the topic(was kauai)
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
16. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai)
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
17. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai)
    by "Scheu Consulting Services" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
18. What is the topic(was kauai)OT! always thought it was Kawai, guess that's wrong
    by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.)

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Message-ID: <427B5D47.6090503 [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:04:23 +0200
From: Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Subject: lamps shorting

>
>
>Sometimes the filament collapses on itself causing a momentary short.
>The voltage is then flowing across a much shorter section of filament.
>Have you ever seen a household lamp blow when you turned it on?
>Sometimes it's very bright for a split second before it blows open again.
>
And BTW (I found some people don't know this) if you turn on a lamp and 
see it's much too bright, I've found that it's good to turn it off 
immediately and give the instrument a good whack with a crescent wrench. 
Sometimes this jerks the filament back into place and the lamp doesn't 
blow after all.  I get odd looks when I do this at times, but sometimes 
it works.

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Message-ID: <427B5EBE.8080409 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:10:38 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Power Tool Drags-OT

During one of my few nights off last night, I channel surfed across 
drag racing power tools on the Discovery Channel.  I have heard of belt 
sander racing in the past but was amazed (and appalled and frightened) 
by some of the rigs created. So Loren - is this a new category of event 
for Tech Expo at USITT.  Would seem most appropriate for Louisville with 
its racing history. ;)

Best,
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia


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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050506083230.02f4a738 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:33:25 -0400
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: lamps shorting
In-Reply-To: <list-22216804 [at] prxy.net>


>And BTW (I found some people don't know this) if you turn on a lamp and 
>see it's much too bright, I've found that it's good to turn it off 
>immediately and give the instrument a good whack with a crescent wrench. 
>Sometimes this jerks the filament back into place and the lamp doesn't 
>blow after all.  I get odd looks when I do this at times, but sometimes it 
>works.

Works quite frequently, actually.  I've saved quite a few lamps this 
way.  But the fix usually doesn't last very long, I've also found.

-- JLB 


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Message-ID: <1115383350.427b663692457 [at] mail.cumberlandcollege.edu>
Date: Fri,  6 May 2005 08:42:30 -0400
From: mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
Subject: re: Power Tool Drags -OT

I too saw this, and have even been a party to Belt Sander racing (many years 
ago).   I also was very amused and frightened by the whole thing.  My wife 
told me she is very afraid of what this will do to that very dark and 
fatalistic part of my mind that often says "Hey Ya'll, Watch this!" 

USITT Louisville - Give teams a box of parts with "X" amount of time to build 
their racer...then let the betting begin. <VBG>

Moe 


Maurice "Moe" Conn  
Designer/Technical Director
Kohn Theatre
University of the Cumberlands
606-539-4520
mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu

Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to raise 
money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids. Stay Tuned as the Long Reach Long 
Riders set off on there second adventure. 
Check Out:  www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html


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Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 07:57:04 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: lamps shorting
In-Reply-To: <list-22216804 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-22216804 [at] prxy.net>

At 05:04 AM 5/6/2005, you wrote:
>And BTW (I found some people don't know this) if you turn on a lamp and 
>see it's much too bright, I've found that it's good to turn it off 
>immediately and give the instrument a good whack with a crescent wrench. 
>Sometimes this jerks the filament back into place and the lamp doesn't 
>blow after all.  I get odd looks when I do this at times, but sometimes it 
>works.

And sometimes shaking a burned out lamp with the power on will weld the 
filament back together.  I've had that work a couple of times.  Once while 
I was unscrewing a regular household lamp.  Only it re-connected as a MUCH 
higher wattage lamp and blew out again with a piece of filament going 
THROUGH the glass (missed my fingers).


----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
Los Gatos, California, USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <8c.266f0d5c.2facf1eb [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:14:35 EDT
Subject: Re: ETC smartpack dimmers

In a message dated 06/05/05 00:24:05 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes:

> <'Nipper' mode>  Short when the lamp blows?  Er?!?  OK, so I am a total
>  skweek, but someone tell me that I ain't imagining that the lamp goes into
>  an open circuit when it blows.  Or is it some bit of esoterica that you
>  guys are sworn to keep secret?

Quite often. The usual failure mechanism is that the filament develops a thin 
place, overheats, and melts there. What happens to the molten debris is 
anyone's guess. My experience is that it's an even chance whether it deposits on 
the lead-in wires and pinch, or not. There's your short.


Frank Wood

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" <stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com>
Subject: RE: ETC smartpack dimmers
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:21:24 -0400
Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System
In-Reply-To: <list-22220612 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20050506162127.LCQT27737.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866>

An excellent hypothesis.  This has been a very informative thread.

Jim


> What 
> happens to the molten debris is anyone's guess. My experience 
> is that it's an even chance whether it deposits on the 
> lead-in wires and pinch, or not. There's your short.


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Message-ID: <55400.208.215.238.2.1115400652.squirrel [at] webmail5.pair.com>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:30:52 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: National Electrical Code
From: "Mitch Hefter" <stagecraft [at] DesignRelief.com>
Reply-To: stagecraft [at] DesignRelief.com
References: <list-22216170 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-22216170 [at] prxy.net>

Chuck Mitchell  wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is an abridged version of the NEC that
contains the sections specifically relevant to theatre?  We recently
looked into getting a new version and found it to cost about 4 45 before
shipping!

No such animal!!  Dont' even consider it !!  Even if you could find one,
it would NOT be appropriate nor safe to use.

Chapters 1 - 4 apply universally.  All other articles are specific
amendments to the first four chapters with additional restrictions and
exceptions.  Article 520 is for Theaters, Audience Areas of Motion Picture
and Television Studios, Performance Areas, and Similar Locations.

518 is for Assembly Occupancies.  Probably applicable to your lobby, until
you set up booms with ellipsoidals and the like - then 520 may take over. 
If you are filming a movie or TV special in some part of you venue, 530 -
Motion Picture and Television Studios and Similar Locations - might apply.
 Then there is 525 - Carnivals, Circuses, Fairs, and Similar Events.

It is unlikely that other parts of chapter 5 would apply, but you never
know.  As noted, the Handbook is very good, though a bit more expensive. 
It has some illustrations and explanations.  Many of those explanations
are based on the deliberations of the Code panels on the subject.  Can be
a great resource for your positive, constructive dialogs with the AHJ.

While you are at it, you should get NFPA 70E-2004, Electrical Safety in
the Workplace ($40).  It includes Lock Out Tag Out rules, and applies to
ongoing operations.  It paraphrases some of the NEC, but doesn't address
theatre.

A lot of very good and appropriate info for $105 plus shipping.  Your
department absolutely should provide these for you.


. . .
-------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter   stagecraft  [at]  DesignRelief.com
Member NEC Panel 15

Office:  Entertainment Technology /
            a Division of the Genlyte Group
mhefter  [at]  genlyte.com
+1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967  (Direct 214/ 647-7967)
+1-214/ 647-4738 Fax
http://www.etdimming.com

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050506110336.016fa428 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:03:36
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Sunscreen

>I can't see anyone following the 
>"put on sun block anytime you're outdoors" unless they're the type who 
>never goes outside.  I'd have to have it on all the time.

My friends dermatologist has a saying, "Expose youself to radiation without
protection, get cancer.  Simple equation."
Out here in the desert, cars don't rust.  THe sun, however, can eat the
paintjob off it, burn the dash out, discolor all the plastic lenses, dry
out all the lubricants, and destroy the rubber parts.  No one will leave it
out in the sun to see what happens the second year...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050506110748.016fa428 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:07:48
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: ETC smartpack dimmers

>Have you ever seen a household lamp blow when you turned it on?

Ah, something in skweek-speek.  Thank you!  it all becomes so clear to me
now.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: "Kevin Linzey" <Klinzey [at] nemetschek.net>
Subject: RE: National Electrical Code
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:26:00 -0400
Message-ID: <004801c55269$0db86840$1101a8c0 [at] KLinzeypc>
In-Reply-To: <list-22221867 [at] prxy.net>

If you are looking for a cheaper copy, check out your local electrical
supply house.  I don't know if they still do it, but I got a smaller =
spiral
bound copy that was printed with the supply company's logo for less then =
the
NFPA price. (This was back in 96, the publication rules may have =
changed)
Even at $45 it's worth every penny.

Kevin=20

Kevin Linzey
Fisher Theatrical, LLC.
http://www.fishertheatrical.com/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf=20
> Of Mitch Hefter
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 1:31 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: National Electrical Code
>=20
>=20
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Chuck Mitchell  wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there is an abridged version of the NEC that
> contains the sections specifically relevant to theatre?  We=20
> recently looked into getting a new version and found it to=20
> cost about 4 45 before shipping!
>=20
> No such animal!!  Dont' even consider it !!  Even if you=20
> could find one, it would NOT be appropriate nor safe to use.
>=20
> Chapters 1 - 4 apply universally.  All other articles are=20
> specific amendments to the first four chapters with=20
> additional restrictions and exceptions.  Article 520 is for=20
> Theaters, Audience Areas of Motion Picture and Television=20
> Studios, Performance Areas, and Similar Locations.
>=20
> 518 is for Assembly Occupancies.  Probably applicable to your=20
> lobby, until you set up booms with ellipsoidals and the like=20
> - then 520 may take over.=20
> If you are filming a movie or TV special in some part of you=20
> venue, 530 - Motion Picture and Television Studios and=20
> Similar Locations - might apply.  Then there is 525 -=20
> Carnivals, Circuses, Fairs, and Similar Events.
>=20
> It is unlikely that other parts of chapter 5 would apply, but=20
> you never know.  As noted, the Handbook is very good, though=20
> a bit more expensive.=20
> It has some illustrations and explanations.  Many of those=20
> explanations are based on the deliberations of the Code=20
> panels on the subject.  Can be a great resource for your=20
> positive, constructive dialogs with the AHJ.
>=20
> While you are at it, you should get NFPA 70E-2004, Electrical=20
> Safety in the Workplace ($40).  It includes Lock Out Tag Out=20
> rules, and applies to ongoing operations.  It paraphrases=20
> some of the NEC, but doesn't address theatre.
>=20
> A lot of very good and appropriate info for $105 plus=20
> shipping.  Your department absolutely should provide these for you.
>=20
>=20
> . . .
> -------------------------------------
> Mitch Hefter   stagecraft  [at]  DesignRelief.com
> Member NEC Panel 15
>=20
> Office:  Entertainment Technology /
>             a Division of the Genlyte Group
> mhefter  [at]  genlyte.com
> +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967  (Direct 214/ 647-7967)
> +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax
> http://www.etdimming.com
>=20


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Message-ID: <BAY107-F11B6C915C02D31B0C876FCD01B0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-22216170 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Keith Fleschner" <keithfleschner [at] msn.com>
Subject: RE: NEC
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:58:32 -0700

Hi
If you have a electrical wholesaler that you do business you might try them 
I paid $ 38.00 for my 2005 paperback NEC

Keith
keithfleschner [at] msn.com



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1d5.3b8c61fe.2fad33ed [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:56:13 EDT
Subject: Re: National Electrical Code

In a message dated 06/05/05 18:31:54 GMT Daylight Time, 
stagecraft [at] DesignRelief.com writes:

> Chuck Mitchell  wrote:
>  > Does anyone know if there is an abridged version of the NEC that
>  contains the sections specifically relevant to theatre?  We recently
>  looked into getting a new version and found it to cost about 4 45 before
>  shipping!
>  
>  No such animal!!  Dont' even consider it !!  Even if you could find one,
>  it would NOT be appropriate nor safe to use.

Good advice. You need to be something of an expert to use such documents, or 
at least well-informed. But conforming with just some of it isn't really 
sensible. You need the whole nine yards!


Frank Wood

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From: "Kacey Fisher" <Kacey [at] FisherTheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: Fog machines and Snow Machines
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:47:33 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-22211714 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000022225436 [at] prxy.net>

Michael,

We have two LSG's in our inventory and they are fantastic for low-lying =
fog.
The LSX, which I've used on a production worked great, EXCEPT it was a =
TINY
TINY theatre-the whole stage was about 320 square feet.  And it is =
loud-much
worse than the woof from the LSX Chad mentioned.  The LSX is really for
smaller applications-not sure how big your stage is.  The LSX also =
sounds
like an old refrigerator, which it basically is-a fridge cooling the =
fog.
The fog also warms up much more quickly as compared the LSG and tended =
to
rise before it dissipated. (Part of that due to the fluid we used) =
However,
that was the effect we needed, so it worked for this show.  The LSG and =
LSX
are at about the same price point.  However, the LSG can cost you a lot =
in
CO2 purchases, so I'd check on how much a dewar will run you from your =
local
CO2 supplier.

We also own two True North snow machines and two Silent Storms.  The =
silent
storms are still noisy, but much less so than the True Norths.  Both =
create
a decent effect.  We use them on the multitude of Nutcrackers we do each
December.  Clients who rent them have always been very pleased.  I do =
not
have any experience with any other manufacturer's snow machines.

Foggers-Look Solutions makes a fantastic fogger-the Viper.  Puts out a =
lot
of fog, and it's just an all around great machine. We also rent out
G300s-and I would say the Viper is comparable in performance.  One of my
production clients will accept either one and quite often prefers the =
Viper.


I don't have any personal experience with the Rosco Cold Flow or Rosco's =
fog
machines, but I do highly recommend the Le Maitre and Look Solutions =
gear.=20

Sincerely,
Kacey Fisher
Fisher Theatrical
410-455-9641
410-455-9643-Fax
www.FisherTheatrical.com =20

[snip]

>=20
> I use the list) to get your opinions about different fog and snow=20
> machines that you have used.   We have gotten some funding to beef up=20
> our Atmosphere effects.  I'm  also looking for any one who has used a=20
> snow machines like Le Maitre=B4s Silent Storm . {snip}

 I am looking into the Le Maitre LSX and=20
> the Rosco Cold flow. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>=20
>=20
> Michael Christensen



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Message-ID: <20050507034313.20740.qmail [at] web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 20:43:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: SO, What is the topic(was kauai)
In-Reply-To: <list-22216170 [at] prxy.net>

> OK folks, this is getting silly...
> 
> This is NOT a travel list or blog. If you want to
reply to 
> this, please do so off list. My (and Noah's) e-mail
server 
> will be grateful.
> 
> Peter Scheu

OK, I Thought I was being short and saving bandwith by
asking a simple question, and now I am just offended.
Is Beer on topic? Is slang on topic? Why is Rome on
topic, yet Hawaii not? I have been reading this list
for a number of years and respond very little. What I
have noticed over those years is that people on this
list like the same things as I do and some of those
people travel often,so it seemed like a harmless
question. Architecture, Theatre, local Antiquities,
History, and other things I don't have access to here
in Massachusetts are of interest to me not only
personally, and as a designer, but relate directly to
theatre. I was indeed asking the wisdom of the list,
weather it be show, hike, or anything else I would be
a fool to miss. New Jersey is next door, Hawaii is
not. In the future if the topic police are going to
patrol I suggest they post a list of approved topics.
Sincerely
Brian P. Rice


		
Discover Yahoo! 
Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! 
http://discover.yahoo.com/

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Message-ID: <20050506213530.7fgkkswc4g4c0kos [at] www.email.arizona.edu>
Date: Fri,  6 May 2005 21:35:30 -0700
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai)
References: <list-22229463 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-22229463 [at] prxy.net>

Quoting b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>:


>
> OK, I Thought I was being short and saving bandwith by
> asking a simple question, and now I am just offended.
> Is Beer on topic? Is slang on topic? Why is Rome on
> topic, yet Hawaii not? I have been reading this list
> for a number of years and respond very little. What I
> have noticed over those years is that people on this
> list like the same things as I do and some of those
> people travel often,so it seemed like a harmless
> question. Architecture, Theatre, local Antiquities,
> History, and other things I don't have access to here
> in Massachusetts are of interest to me not only
> personally, and as a designer, but relate directly to
> theatre. I was indeed asking the wisdom of the list,
> weather it be show, hike, or anything else I would be
> a fool to miss. New Jersey is next door, Hawaii is
> not. In the future if the topic police are going to
> patrol I suggest they post a list of approved topics.
> Sincerely
> Brian P. Rice



Amen brother!

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
520-621-7025
520-591-1803 Mobile


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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Scheu Consulting Services" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: SO, What is the topic(was kauai)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 00:37:38 -0400
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAuzS6uoY0nEm1SFHJLlPubwEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-22229463 [at] prxy.net>

b Ricie (or is it Rice?) wrote:

>In the future if the topic police are going to
>patrol I suggest they post a list of approved topics.
>Sincerely
>Brian P. Rice

I apologize if you felt my comment was directly at you personally. It =
was
not.

It is not my intent in the least to be the self-appointed censor of list
topics. I'm just saying that many of us would appreciate it if new topic
threads presented to the list actually have SOMETHING to do with =
stagecraft
or production, that's all. When over 72 messages a day enter my mail box
from the list and only a dozen or so are actually about stagecraft... it
gets frustrating and time consuming having to separate the wheat from =
the
chaff day in and day out.

If I could be so bold as to suggest that a better way of presenting an
off-topic subject would be to say "Hey, I'm going to Kauai. If anyone on =
the
list has any suggestions as to what I might see or do, please e-mail me =
off
list". Steer the off-topic conversation away from the already =
cacophonous
"virtual off-hours theatre techie bar" and meet in a private room. =
That's
the only point I was trying to make. Sorry if any offence was taken. =
None
was intended.

Yes, we all know a lot about theatre, and some things about a lot of =
other
things. Yes, folks here are generous with their time and willingness to
share information on just about any topic. But it just seems lately that
there is more time spent talking about travel and punctuation and nasty
marshmallow mini fowls than stagecraft. Have we really learned =
everything
there is to know about stagecraft already? Or have we become =
collectively
bored with our profession?

Just my .02, and probably worth every stinkin' penny...

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com


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From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.)
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
Subject: What is the topic(was kauai)OT! always thought it was Kawai, guess that's wrong
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 04:59:36 +0000
Message-Id: <050720050459.15583.427C4B37000D732500003CDF21604666480E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net>

Pete, I've been using this little known secret called the delete key for years , you should give it a shot. There was a thread about "peeps" I tired of in one day; del,del,del  and it wasn't an issue. Punctuation has gotten tired and so has many of the threads "Electricals in Over the Cuckoo's nest" comes to mind. We do get to pick up the personalities of the people in the business which I like and I don't want to read about turntables and rigging mistakes ad infinitum either. I have never met but know many of the members of this NG through their "OT" posts, yet they all are sensitive enough to usually post "OT" as I did . I might not meet you , Hi! forgive me for being "OT"
 
All in all this NG is a walk in the park compared to almost all.
Gerry G.
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From: "Scheu Consulting Services" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
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> b Ricie (or is it Rice?) wrote:
> 
> >In the future if the topic police are going to
> >patrol I suggest they post a list of approved topics.
> >Sincerely
> >Brian P. Rice
> 
> I apologize if you felt my comment was directly at you personally. It was
> not.
> 
> It is not my intent in the least to be the self-appointed censor of list
> topics. I'm just saying that many of us would appreciate it if new topic
> threads presented to the list actually have SOMETHING to do with stagecraft
> or production, that's all. When over 72 messages a day enter my mail box
> from the list and only a dozen or so are actually about stagecraft... it
> gets frustrating and time consuming having to separate the wheat from the
> chaff day in and day out.
> 
> If I could be so bold as to suggest that a better way of presenting an
> off-topic subject would be to say "Hey, I'm going to Kauai. If anyone on the
> list has any suggestions as to what I might see or do, please e-mail me off
> list". Steer the off-topic conversation away from the already cacophonous
> "virtual off-hours theatre techie bar" and meet in a private room. That's
> the only point I was trying to make. Sorry if any offence was taken. None
> was intended.
> 
> Yes, we all know a lot about theatre, and some things about a lot of other
> things. Yes, folks here are generous with their time and willingness to
> share information on just about any topic. But it just seems lately that
> there is more time spent talking about travel and punctuation and nasty
> marshmallow mini fowls than stagecraft. Have we really learned everything
> there is to know about stagecraft already? Or have we become collectively
> bored with our profession?
> 
> Just my .02, and probably worth every stinkin' penny...
> 
> Peter Scheu
> 
> Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
> www.scheuconsulting.com
> 



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