Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22249929; Sun, 08 May 2005 03:01:23 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #390 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 03:01:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #390 1. Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Richard Lund 2. Re: What is the topic(was kauai)OT! by "Scheu Consulting Services" 3. Re: Power Tool Drags -OT by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. 3-D Vectorworks Questions by "Steve" 5. Re: 3-D Vectorworks Questions by "C. Andrew Dunning" 6. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Daniel Kelly 7. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by IAEG [at] aol.com 8. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Boyd Ostroff 9. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by IAEG [at] aol.com 10. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Jerry Durand 11. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Boyd Ostroff 12. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Jerry Durand 13. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) by Noah Price 14. Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 by Noah Price 15. Re: 3-D Vectorworks Questions by "Kevin Linzey" 16. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) by "Scheu Consulting Services" 17. Re: 3-D Vectorworks Questions by Scott Parker 18. SO, What is the topic(was kauai) by Norman Lazarus 19. Re: Fog machines and Snow Machines by Greg Bierly 20. Re: Open source software ver. 2 by Erwin Rol *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <9E53DD7DC667D311A47A0000F808EC8E034EE445 [at] strandla> From: Richard Lund Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 03:11:28 -0700 I will be out of the office Monday and Tuesday May 9 & 10. Although I'll be checking my messages daily, I may not be able to get back to you til tomorrow. For immediate assistance, please call me on my cell phone at 310-872-6485. Thanks and Best Regards, Richard Lund Strand Lighting ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: What is the topic(was kauai)OT! Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:03:59 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Gerry G. wrote: >Pete, I've been using this little known secret called the=20 >delete key for years , you should give it a shot.=20 I do. My delete key is shot. And my index finger. And I even know how to = use Ctrl-A. Every day, about a bazillion times. Hence my frustration. While I agree with the general gist of what you say, it just feels to me that when someone provides you with a free service, as Noah does with = this list, one should not abuse the gift, that's all. Again, sorry if I offended. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Power Tool Drags -OT Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:04:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c552fc$f7d90b80$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > My wife > told me she is very afraid of what this will do to that very dark and > fatalistic part of my mind that often says "Hey Ya'll, Watch this!" ...Which, by the way, are the most frequent last words (according to Click and Clack, the car guys) of American men. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c55300$56848d00$5d7e7244 [at] D78YGH41> From: "Steve" Subject: 3-D Vectorworks Questions Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:28:55 -0500 In Vectorworks, 3-D mode, how does one create a wall that is not horizontal at the top? What it the easiest way to put in a ceiling? How do you establish a center point on a 3-D drawing after you have started? Thanks in advance. I just wish I was going somewhere cool on vacation/work. Peace, Steve Schepker Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: 3-D Vectorworks Questions Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:58:41 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve - >In Vectorworks, 3-D mode, how does one create a wall that is >not horizontal at the top? Create the wall, either using the wall tool or by extruding a polygon, rectangle, or other shape. Use solid subtraction to cut the angle you want. >What it the easiest way to put in a ceiling? If, judging from your question above, you're wanting a raked ceiling, 2 ways come to mind: Either use the 3D polygon tool or use solid subtraction to create the rake from an extruded polygon or other shape. >How do you establish a center point on a 3-D drawing after you >have started? Use "Set Origin" in the "Page" menu. WFIW, I've got a 2D locus and a 3D locus placed [at] the origin in my template file. That way, all of my drawings use the same pre-marked center. C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:59:41 -0400 From: Daniel Kelly Reply-To: Daniel Kelly Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In-Reply-To: References: On 5/7/05, Richard Lund wrote: > I will be out of the office [snip] Is it just me, or isn't this like the eleven millionth time that the list has received Mr. Lund's autoreply? Has anyone informed him of the annoying (but assumingly unintended) consequences of setting an autoreply when subscribed to a mailing list? I shall be sending a friendly reminder. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <25.5f0f54f1.2fae35cb [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:16:27 EDT Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In a message dated 5/7/05 11:00:29 AM, limeking [at] gmail.com writes: << > I will be out of the office [snip] Is it just me, or isn't this like the eleven millionth time that the list has received Mr. Lund's autoreply? Has anyone informed him of the annoying (but assumingly unintended) consequences of setting an autoreply when subscribed to a mailing list? I shall be sending a friendly reminder. >> do we / should we have a "three stikes you're out" policy for repeat offenders ? very best, Keith Arsenault President IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group P O Box 18967 Tampa, Florida 33679 813 831 3465 Mr. Arsenault's Office 813 205 0893 Mr. Arsenault's Cellular www.iaeginc.com www.circusnexus.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 7 May 2005 IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > do we / should we have a "three stikes you're out" policy My vote would be for a "one strike and you're out" policy ;-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8e.26df9612.2fae3e4d [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:52:45 EDT Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In a message dated 5/7/05 11:50:20 AM, ostroff [at] operaphilly.com writes: << > do we / should we have a "three stikes you're out" policy My vote would be for a "one strike and you're out" policy ;-) >> Boyd you are so cruel and un forgiving, , do you have a signed photo of Scarpia above your desk ? : - ) very best, Keith ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050507090244.029eae70 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 09:04:13 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/7/05, Richard Lund wrote: > I will be out of the office [snip] I'm sorry, I'm in my office and may be reached here by the normal means. :( :) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California, USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 7 May 2005 IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > Boyd you are so cruel and un forgiving This comes from doing tech support here until we outsourced it a couple years ago. My favorite is still a panic message that I received from a member of the administrative staff: "Dear Boyd, I have thrown all my files in the trash and now I need them. Can you please help?" My response was that everything should be fine, the files would still be there unless you actually emptied the trash. To this she replied "I did empty the trash!" When I asked her why she said "I don't know"... Another of our list members here - Mike Voytko - used to share these duties with me at OCP, and I'm sure he remembers this particular incident (and many others) quite well :-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050507091332.03f30aa8 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 09:24:00 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:04 AM 5/7/2005, you wrote: >"Dear Boyd, I have thrown all my files in the trash and now I need them. >Can you please help?" > >My response was that everything should be fine, the files would still be >there unless you actually emptied the trash. To this she replied "I did >empty the trash!" A reminder about that for physical files, also. I was a senior or chief engineer at two companies that did this sort of thing. A short time after I left each one I was contacted by them to find out where important files were (schematics, FCC documentation, etc.). I said "in the hanging file drawer of my desk". Both said "We emptied your desk into the trash the day you left, so where are the files?" Neither company is in business anymore. When an employee leaves, it might be a good idea to actually look at what you're tossing out. At [major electronics company] their policy was any time there was a layoff or someone gave notice, they were escorted out the door instantly by security. Someone else would pack their desk and send the box to them. During one layoff the IT guy for the production department was escorted out. THEN they discovered he was the only one with the system passwords. I also saw my boss (not the IT department) being escorted out and was getting worried. Turns out I was the new boss (surprise!). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California, USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:21:44 -0700 On May 6, 2005, at 8:43 PM, b Ricie wrote: >> This is NOT a travel list or blog. If you want to reply to >> this, please do so off list. My (and Noah's) e-mail server >> will be grateful. >> >> Peter Scheu > > OK, I Thought I was being short and saving bandwith by > asking a simple question, and now I am just offended. For what it's worth, I always assume vacation and travel questions relate to list interests -- what shows to see, who is working in the area who could give a tour, etc. The best solution to the "off topic" problem is to post "on topic" :-) Here is the only real written guideline to posting: Even with 1000+ subscribers, the bandwidth spent on a handful of off topic messages is negligible, and has been a part of this list's character for over a decade. Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #389 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:24:24 -0700 On May 7, 2005, at 8:16 AM, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > do we / should we have a "three stikes you're out" policy for repeat > offenders ? My policy has been to move anyone with a repeating autoreply to "inactive" immediately (so that makes it a "two strikes you're out" policy?), but I don't worry much about the well-behaved vacation messages that only send a single reply to the list. Of course a proper vacation responder will not reply to bulk or list precedence messages at all! For what it's worth, we've had about a dozen autoreplies in the past year, plus one that replied to every message which I set inactive. I'm guessing we're going to have more than a dozen replies to this one alone :-) There goes the bandwidth wasting argument... Somewhere on my "to do" list is rejecting messages with obvious autoresponder subjects like this one, so don't be shocked if you reply to this message in a few days and it gets rejected :-) Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Linzey" Subject: RE: 3-D Vectorworks Questions Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:07:09 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c55351$1e0ea5e0$6800a8c0 [at] KLinzeypc> In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:29 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: 3-D Vectorworks Questions >=20 >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > In Vectorworks, 3-D mode, how does one create a wall that is=20 > not horizontal at the top? If you are trying to make the wall slope over the length, Switch to a = front (or side) and use the 3d reshape tool. You can reshape the wall or add = wall peaks where you need them. >=20 > What it the easiest way to put in a ceiling? Use the create roof command. ---------------------------- Kevin Linzey Nemetschek North America Integrated Products Engineer ----------------------------- =20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:17:02 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Noah Price wrote: >The best solution to the "off topic" problem is to post "on topic" :-) Yes! Yes! Yes! >Here is the only real written guideline to posting:=20 "Very little is considered off-topic on the stagecraft list, as long as = it has something to do with technical theatre." >Even with 1000+ subscribers, the bandwidth spent on a handful of off=20 >topic messages is negligible, and has been a part of this list's=20 >character for over a decade. It only seems lately that OT topics have been more than just a "handful" = in number. Again, I'm not saying that posting OT topics should be verboten, please just ask to take responses off-list if you're looking for = information on something that doesn't have anything to do with technical theatre. I'm done now. Y'all can flame me all you want. I've said my piece. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980505071740531a3bce [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:40:50 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: 3-D Vectorworks Questions In-Reply-To: References:

I do this slightly differently: switch to front view, draw a polygon the shape of the wall you need and then extrude to the thickness you need. No re-shaping needed. hth, Scott On 5/7/05, Kevin Linzey wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve > > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:29 AM > > To: Stagecraft > > Subject: 3-D Vectorworks Questions > > > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > In Vectorworks, 3-D mode, how does one create a wall that is > > not horizontal at the top? > If you are trying to make the wall slope over the length, Switch to a fro= nt > (or side) and use the 3d reshape tool. You can reshape the wall or add w= all > peaks where you need them. >=20 > > > > What it the easiest way to put in a ceiling? > Use the create roof command. >=20 > ---------------------------- > Kevin Linzey > Nemetschek North America > Integrated Products Engineer > ----------------------------- >=20 >=20 --=20 Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050508032139.20068.qmail [at] web51703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Norman Lazarus Subject: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) In-Reply-To: Frankly Mr. Scheu if you have an issue with off topic posts clogging your e-mail. Change your subsrciption to digest form and you'll only get one e-mail per day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2e753c410893d56022b34316bec121a0 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Fog machines and Snow Machines Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:44:37 -0400 I compared the LeMaitre and the MDG at USITT two years ago. I picked up a demo model of the older version of the MDG Ice Fog Q (formerly the Ice Fog touring). It is a little loud but other than that it is an incredible machine. I would be happy to recommend it to anyone. Cost wise I used to do 50lbs of dry ice a drop and get 3-5 minutes of fog with the 55 gal drum method ($1-$1.50 per/lb). I can now run a week of rehearsals and show on a 180lb dewar of Liquid CO2 ($90) and 1.5 liters of fluid ( [at] $26) for a single 5 min number per show. Once the machine is warmed up it can run continous fog till either the fluid or LCO2 tank runs out after I would guess an hour or more. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Open source software ver. 2 From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 09:34:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1115537648.5898.217.camel [at] drake.home.erwinrol.com> I totally forgot QCAD, http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html - Erwin On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 07:54 -0700, b d wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Mike, > Forgot to mention inkscape. www.inkscape.org. I have > not personnaly used it but I hear it's definately > worth checking out. Similar to illustrator. Billed as > a scalable vector graphics editor. Go to the site and > check out some of the screenshots. > > Brian Dambacher > MeadowBrook Theatre Ensemble > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com -- Erwin Rol Software Engineering - http://www.erwinrol.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #390 *****************************