Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22292906; Wed, 11 May 2005 03:00:40 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #393 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 03:00:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #393 1. Re: bosuns chair WAS harnesses by "Stuart Baulch" 2. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) by Bill Sapsis 3. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. What is the topic becoming? by "Gerry G." 5. Re: bosuns chair WAS harnesses by "Laura McMeley" 6. Re: Fall arrest harness by Norman Lazarus 7. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by "Paul Guncheon" 8. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by Mark O'Brien 9. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by Jerry Durand 10. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by "Bill Conner" 11. Re: Polyurathane Food by Mick Alderson 12. Re: Autoresponders and spam blocking by Scott Parker 13. Re: Mutual Hardware by "C. Dopher" 14. Re: Autoresponders and spam blocking by Jerry Durand 15. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by "C. Dopher" 16. Re: 3-D Vectorworks Questions by "C. Dopher" 17. Re: Polyurathane Food by "Jonathan S. Deull" 18. Fall arrest harness by "David R. Krajec" 19. Salad Forks by "Stephen E. Rees" 20. Re: Salad Forks by IAEG [at] aol.com 21. Re: Salad Forks by "Paul Schreiner" 22. Re: Salad Forks by Jerry Durand 23. Re: Salad Forks by "Merel Ray-Pfeifer" 24. Re: broadway hardware by Stuart Wheaton 25. Re: harnesses by Jared Fortney 26. On topic/Off topic by b Ricie 27. Re: Fall arrest harness by Bill Sapsis 28. Re: harnesses by Greg Bierly 29. Re: broadway hardware by Brian Munroe 30. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by CB 31. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: by CB 32. Re: harnesses by Bill Sapsis 33. Re: harnesses by Delbert Hall 34. Re: Salad Forks by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 35. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: (and back to by "Fred Schoening" 36. Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: (and by "Tom Heemskerk" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Baulch" Subject: RE: bosuns chair WAS harnesses Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: >>There's no CSA approval on it, so I can't use one. There is a CSA approved version available ( or at least there used to be). As Dale said, hanging in your harness for extended periods, is much better done in a bosun's chair. This can lead to other problems: either a really sore tailbone or abs of steel from clenching forwards. I've always found that a bosun's chair is much more useful if you have something structural to rest your feet against. If when floating in midair, I find that I have to slide my butt back off the board (so as to save the tail from serious bruising) and then crunching forward to maintain a decent work position. Think of a focus-call length sit-up. What solutions have others come up with for that problem. Stuart B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:19:00 -0400 Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 5/8/05 10:58 PM, Scheu Consulting Services at peter [at] scheuconsulting.com wrote: > I'm I really that bad a guy, Unca Bill? :-( Nah. But your proof reading sucks! :-) Peter, I think you got caught up in something that many of us posters get caught in occasionally. We all tend to be pretty passionate about the things we do and sometimes that passion carries over into more trivial details. The problem is, they didn't seem trivial at the time. It's probably a good idea for all of us to remember that we each have real live honest to goodness lives out there in the real world and that sometimes those lives, or at least the pressures, bleed over into our electronic lives. (which we all know are perfect and free from stress) So now we all should back off a bit, take a deep breadth, and talk about which side of the plate to salad fork goes on. Right? Right Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:01:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c55558$02a332e0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Nah. But your proof reading sucks! :-) If we rejected all the posts that contained tyops and other misteaks, the list would be sparse, indeed. ------------------------------ From: "Gerry G." Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: What is the topic becoming? Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:13:29 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I guess that's what some are hoping for? Gerry G. > Nah. But your proof reading sucks! :-) If we rejected all the posts that contained tyops and other misteaks, the list would be sparse, indeed. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: bosuns chair WAS harnesses Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:18:37 -0500 When I was at UT we used to use the seat off of a tractor instead of a flat board. Even though it's metal, it's surprisingly comfortable. Laura McMeley LD, Dallas Texas www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/ >If when floating in midair, I find that I have to slide my butt back off >the board (so as to save the tail from serious bruising) and then crunching >forward to maintain a decent work position. Think of a focus-call length >sit-up. > >Stuart B. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050510131933.84619.qmail [at] web51709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Norman Lazarus Subject: Re: Fall arrest harness In-Reply-To: I'm not sure if you are looking for a sit harness that also works in fall arrest situations or just fall arrest. I use this harness from Grainger: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611784503 Comfortable and adjusts to wide range of body sizes, I have a very slim build so finding a harness that fits is a problem. Primary use for me was fall arrest. I spent alot of time climbing scaffolding with this harness. If your going to do the same get this lanyard: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611773189 Allows you to clip on and off of oversized pipes with one hand. Norman Lazarus Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 03:51:11 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: Message-id: <002701c55567$5409ad80$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Whoah. Looks like a fun group. I enjoy people who work in theatre because of the wide variety of their personalities, quirks, talents, and interests. They are also some of the most tolerant people I know. (I realize this is a rather sweeping generalitiy but so be it.) I personally don't mind the off topic post as I feel they add color and dimension to the group, but an ongoing seemingly unending thread on the obscure programming errors of a particular light board will have me gritting my teeth. Delete. Laters, Paul "...the Professor and Mary Ann..." sang Tom gingerly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050510065632.iwycys0kwccs40c8 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:56:32 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: References:

In-Reply-To: Quoting Paul Guncheon : > > Whoah. Looks like a fun group. Imagine if they banned Tom Swifties... ... Tom said quickly. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050510072714.02976e58 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:31:40 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: In-Reply-To: References:

At 06:56 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote: >Imagine if they banned Tom Swifties... > >... Tom said quickly. One large club's list I'm on bans ALL sigs. Of course the pres and a VP have both posted with long sigs, the VP even sent a message with one of those animated backgrounds and an advertisement for getting the free spyware to make these pages. Seems right that the rule makers are the ones to forget the rules. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California, USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <015801c5556f$4e61a4c0$6b01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:48:12 -0500 Chris posted: "On another list I subscribe to, the list will automatically reject your post if there's more than three lines of quoted text for each new line of text." and in reply Mike posted: "I do not usually chastise people for doing other than I do, instead let each person decide what works for them." I was not suggesting a fascist policy to limit the postings and I don't think Chris was either - at least not as strictly as the other board he noted seemed to. On the other hand, it seems reasonable to expect people to follow the rules of this board while posting on this board instead of everyone being allowed to do what they want regardless of the rules and regardless of how much it wastes other people's time. I understand in some countries you can squat and crap on the street. That usually isn't acceptable in this country - though I'm sure you could find a lawyer to defend your right to do so here. As Peter pointed out (sorry - I know you retreated) and others, simply in consideration of other peoples time, an ongoing effort to generally follow the rules would be appreciated - especially trimming signatures and not reposting all of a previous post. It does seem much easier to trim postings as a digester since every post is a new email and I have to deliberately cut and paste from the digest. Regards, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:14:22 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: RE: Polyurathane Food Message-id: <2e4c38f7dc9ec576aeb13225c86d7848 [at] uwosh.edu> Monday, May 9, 2005, Ken Holyoak wrote: > >> Has any one had success in coating food (i.e. toast, rolls) with >> polyurethane for an art exhibit. I have seen the stutf at food shows >> And Chinese Resturants, but have no idea how to make it. > > > Mod Podge sealant/glue works well for food such as dinner rolls. > > Jonathan Deull > Edmund Burke School I've used Flex glue of various brands with success. Not polyurethane but it's shiny, dries clear, and lasts! I have a loaf of bread around here over 10 years old that still looks great on the outside (wouldn't want to break it open!) Use several coats. Water down the first coat a little so it soaks in well. Is Mod Podge a brand of flex glue? Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c99805051008378a10f3f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:37:28 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: Autoresponders and spam blocking In-Reply-To: References: I've been cuaght in these by association. My website has it's own set of addresses. The website is hosted via a virtual domain service that rents disc space to several customers. If one customers activates a blacklist flag, we all get hit becuase the virtual email server uses it's one IP address to send out mail. Even though all the address tags belong to the website name, not the IP address. It's a real pain. On 5/9/05, Jerry Durand wrote: > Every time a mail server attempts to send e-mail to my > server, its IP address is checked against the blacklist. If its on the > blacklist, the connection is refused (disconnected with an error > message). The sending server doesn't get a chance to send any messages a= t all. >=20 > ---------- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > Los Gatos, California, USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886 > USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 > web: www.interstellar.com >=20 >=20 --=20 Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:06:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Mutual Hardware From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Brian Munroe wrote: > I don't think they have a showroom/public browsing, but > their catalogue is great. No, they don't, but they will trot you around the warehouse and show you a billion things if you drop by and ask. It helps if you drop by with some specific needs in mind. I needed casters once for some new road-boxes -- floor considerations were important, as were durability and rollability (these roadboxes would be hauled across dance floor one day and through Washington Square Park the next). They showed me all kinds of casters with different construction, sizes, and rubber, including two new models that hadn't made it into the catalogue yet. More helpful and friendly I have not yet met. They also supply some basic lighting equipment, so if you have a blanket order with them, you can use it up at the end of the year on more than just hardware -- with your boss' approval, of course. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050510090803.0297d8d0 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:23:38 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Autoresponders and spam blocking In-Reply-To: References:

At 08:37 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote: >I've been cuaght in these by association. My website has it's own set >of addresses. The website is hosted via a virtual domain service that >rents disc space to several customers. If one customers activates a >blacklist flag, we all get hit becuase the virtual email server uses >it's one IP address to send out mail. We have that happen from time to time along with the mail server rejecting messages because it's full, crashing, forgetting who we are, etc. They also don't filter ANY spam. That's why I'm moving our mail server to our in-house Mac with a backup server from no-ip.com (the backup only costs $30/year). I'll eventually also move our web pages here when our hosting contract contract expires and I'm sure the Mac is properly configured. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California, USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:37:27 -0400 Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mike Katz wrote: > I am amazed that anyone is a contributor to your other list. The > idea of a list is communication and not to follow the rules or else. That's perhaps YOUR idea of a list. The idea of the other list is that by following the rules, good communication can flow a lot easier. It seems to work; that list generates more traffic than this one. IIRC, the idea of "following the rules in order to get along with other people" is generally known as the social contract, something I learned about in fourth grade. The rules of the other list, by the way, are also followed by convention on the several theatre- and motorcycle-related newsgroups I regularly skim. > Also some things are a matter of personal choice, I much prefer top > replies to bottom replies, because I do not have top scroll down to > see what is new. I agree. Where it is a matter of personal choice, such as private emails, I tend to go with top-posting as do my recipients. I submit that it is appropriate in forums like this list to set aside personal preference and go with what is generally preferred. If the list overwhelmingly voices a preference for top-posting, I'll switch my methods for this list. I suspect, though, that that will not end up happening. > This is the > second time in a few days that you have made snide remarks about top > replies. Sorry if they offend you, Chill a bit. I'm chill; the problem is I actually have TIME right now to read the list and focus on such annoyances. Employ me, and you won't hear another word out of me! By the way, has anybody else here read the book "Eats, Shoots and Leaves"? Fascinating little work. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:44:24 -0400 Subject: Re: 3-D Vectorworks Questions From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Scott wrote: > Yikes! Scott thinks as he sits wondering what the hell he did to this guy..= > On 5/8/05, C. Dopher wrote: >> Scott needs to learn how to reply at the bottom of messages and how to tr= >> im. Sorry, Scott; no personal offense intended. It's just that, metaphorically, your post was like dumping a bunch of unsorted, improperly coiled jumpers - some with bad connectors - into random bins, instead of hanging them on the color-coded length-noted storage racks, and then handing the keys over to the next guy who has to get a 6-hour hang done in 4, which now won't happen because he has to do the sorting and maintenance that you should have done. You see? It's not what I expect from professionals, so it is...surprising. I think I'll leave this topic alone, now. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: Polyurathane Food Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:51:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is Mod Podge a brand of flex glue? Mod Podge is a combination glue/sealant/finish that resembles boiled-down Elmers Glue. It comes in gloss and matte finishes and is widely used in the arts and crafts world. Google will provide lots of info. Jonathan ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: Fall arrest harness Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:53:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Based upon my limited experience, a fall arrest harness is intended only for that purpose. To prevent you from falling. I don't think that the intention of the manufacturers of the device intended it for suspension while working. There are probably other harness rigs for that. I Googled "suspension harness" and the first hit I got was www.mytoolstore.com/klein/harness.htm. They have a Klein Fall-Arrest/Suspension Harness with Bosun's Chair. They also have a tree-trimmer's harness. Cool stuff! Thanks for sending me looking. David Krajec, Assoc. Professor - Theatre Cardinal Stritch University "For the theater is a despot, a tyrant to whom you must be willing to pay tribute with every breathing moment." Antoinette Perry ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4280E884.4000605 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:59:48 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Salad Forks References: Bill Sapsis wrote: > So now we all should back off a bit, take a deep breadth, and talk about > which side of the plate to salad fork goes on. > Ya mean we get more than one? (fork, that is) Steve ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:03:21 EDT Subject: Re: Salad Forks In a message dated 5/10/05 1:00:25 PM, Rees [at] fredonia.edu writes: << Bill Sapsis wrote: > So now we all should back off a bit, take a deep breadth, and talk about > which side of the plate to salad fork goes on. > Ya mean we get more than one? (fork, that is) Steve >> ya know, , there should be an "Uncle Bill's Book of Etiquette" could be sold as a fund raiser for BROADWAY CARES / EQUITY FIGHTS AIDS, , etc etc, , , very best, Keith Arsenault President IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 Mr. Arsenault's Office 813 205 0893 Mr. Arsenault's Cellular www.iaeginc.com www.circusnexus.org ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Salad Forks Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C80B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu > > So now we all should back off a bit, take a deep breadth, and talk=20 > > about which side of the plate to salad fork goes on. >=20 > Ya mean we get more than one? (fork, that is) What really confuses me is where the spork is placed at a formal picnic setting... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050510101653.02978e78 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:17:36 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Salad Forks In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:59 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote: >Ya mean we get more than one? (fork, that is) He wants "two fork on table". (old Club Med joke) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California, USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:26:18 -0500 From: "Merel Ray-Pfeifer" Subject: Re: Salad Forks > > So now we all should back off a bit, take a deep breadth, and talk > > about which side of the plate to salad fork goes on. > > Ya mean we get more than one? (fork, that is) What really confuses me is where the spork is placed at a formal picnic setting.. The spork should be shoved into the little styro cup od slaw. Duuuhhhh. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <428109B0.7020405 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:21:20 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: broadway hardware References:

In-Reply-To: Sunil Rajan wrote: > Email me off-list and we'll go shopping together! > You'll be at the docks on the West Side Highway, Unless things are changing this season, I believe the Voyager ports at Cape Liberty in Bayonne, NJ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45c56d3405051014022c7d2d92 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:02:50 -0400 From: Jared Fortney Reply-To: Jared Fortney Subject: Re: harnesses In-Reply-To: References:

I'm looking for a sit harness that can be used for fall arrest as well. I'll be spending a good deal of time hanging from the cupola of a circus tent and I need something that allows me to move around horizontally. For this application, the bosun's chair won't work the way I need to. I stumbled across a sale on the Petzl V2 Bod harness from Cabela's last night. Anyone use this harness? -Jared Fortney ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050510211501.67568.qmail [at] web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: On topic/Off topic In-Reply-To: Folks, Let's not forget that our line of work can sometimes be a bit seasonal. When we are in full blown go mode very little is off topic as we all have some sort of conundrum that needs to be solved. When we slow down a bit and have a Chance to catch our breath, it tends to be a bit cathartic to chat about something not so serious. Some of us might even take a vacation. I just finished 7 months of hard non-stop work during which time I had very little time to read the list or do anything else other than get the show in, run the show , and get it on the truck so we could do it again the next day. My reward has been my first vacation ever. Granted, your season and my season might have different schedules, you may be busy while I am slow. When I am busy, reading the list is the last thing I will do rather than complain I am too busy to read through all the off topic excessive posting. My suggestion, too busy? Get back to work and stop reading stuff that takes up valuable working time. Finish your work and then you might be able to enjoy reading again... Sincerely Brian P. Rice (still wondering what is not to be missed in Kauai) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:59:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Fall arrest harness From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. I've been on the road for a bit and have not had time to respond in detail, but now I can. A) Yes, Fall Arrest harnesses are designed ONLY for Fall Arrest. You cannot hang in one. It would be bad. B) Yes, there are many "combo" harnesses on the market that do double duty. Triple duty when you combine the rescue element. C) Yup. I sell them (no big surprise there) and am much more personable than Mr. Grainger. And I believe I know a bit more about our industry than the non-industry sources. (At least I should. Ya think?) Anyway, harnesses are really a personal choice item. There are many on the market so check around. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 5/10/05 12:53 PM, David R. Krajec at drkrajec [at] stritch.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Based upon my limited experience, a fall arrest harness is intended only for > that purpose. To prevent you from falling. I don't think that the > intention of the manufacturers of the device intended it for suspension > while working. There are probably other harness rigs for that. > > I Googled "suspension harness" and the first hit I got was > www.mytoolstore.com/klein/harness.htm. They have a Klein > Fall-Arrest/Suspension Harness with Bosun's Chair. They also have a > tree-trimmer's harness. Cool stuff! Thanks for sending me looking. > > David Krajec, Assoc. Professor - Theatre > Cardinal Stritch University > > "For the theater is a despot, a tyrant to whom you must be willing to pay > tribute with every breathing moment." > Antoinette Perry > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: harnesses Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:21:58 -0400 > I stumbled across a sale on the Petzl V2 Bod harness from Cabela's > last night. Anyone use this harness? I haven't worn the Petzl but it looks similar to the CMC Protech Riggers Harness that Sapsis carries for less than what the online sale price of Cabela's (you didn't mention how good the deal was). I am very happy with mine. I haven't had to hang for long periods of time but it has been relatively comfortable for me. The only beef I have with it is I have to take my time to untangle it out of the rigging bag and then figure out were my feet go and then which strap goes where. It isn't much worse than any full body harness. I just don't climb in it enough I guess. Try and find a couple different brands to try on and see how they fit your body. Most of them have lots of adjustments but how the straps land will be different on everyone. No point on saving a few dollars if it isn't going to be comfortable. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:44:44 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: broadway hardware In-Reply-To: References:

On 5/10/05, Stuart Wheaton wrote: > Unless things are changing this season, I believe the > Voyager ports at Cape Liberty in Bayonne, NJ Contrary to what some football teams believe, New Jersey is not the same as New York. David said "I am on a ship that is going to port in ny in a few days." That would indicate the West Side Piers, not Bayonne. However, if they are going to port in NJ, David shouldn't say NY. Just my 2 cents. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050510161400.016f8540 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:14:00 From: CB Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: >On another list I subscribe to, the list will automatically reject your post >if there's more than three lines of quoted text for each new line of text. So, the one line apologizing for giving us useful info from more than one source while simultaneously giving us the EXACT SAME info again by replying to your own message, including headers (not only your own, but the one from the previous message that you neglected to delete as well...) and the sig fro the original message, that would have been automatically deleted? I vote for that, and I'll second the supposition that if you can't read the FAQ you won't contribute much to the convo. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050510162825.016f8540 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:28:25 From: CB Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: >> I am amazed that anyone is a contributor to your other list. The >> idea of a list is communication and not to follow the rules or else. > I'm not amazed at all. Neither am I. With the idea being communication, those rules mean that everyone communicates on an agreed upon lexicon and format. Some of the highest communications on the planet begin with what language, format and lexicon will be used in the communication for just that purpose. Manners, in the form of following the requested forms, are paramount in communication, if you wish it to go smoothly. Robert's Rules of Order are a very extreme example. >> Also some things are a matter of personal choice, I much prefer top >> replies to bottom replies, because I do not have top scroll down to >> see what is new. > You wouldn't need to scroll down if people didn't use excessive quoting! Point. > Excessive posting (and over-long signatures) is especially offensive to >those receiving the digest version. If you haven't tried it, try switching >to digest for a day or two just to see what it's like. (Walk a mile in the >other person's shoes.) You'll be a mile away, and you'll have his shoes! Set. > Also in digest mode, you will learn to appreciate bottom posting. With a >dozen or so threads jumbled together in one Email, it helps as a memory jog, >to read a BRIEF (a line or two) quote at the top of each. Match! > I have switched to individual message mode, and do prefer it - but I >won't forget about or disregard those that are still getting the digest. Now this is the paramouint of manners of which I spoke. Civilization depends on thinking of others, only (the most base) animals selfishly do what they need with no regard for the community. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:36:57 -0400 Subject: Re: harnesses From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 5/10/05 6:21 PM, Greg Bierly at gbierly [at] dejazzd.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Snip The only beef I have > with it is I have to take my time to untangle it out of the rigging bag > and then figure out were my feet go and then which strap goes where. > It isn't much worse than any full body harness. I just don't climb in > it enough I guess. A suggestion. When you take the harness off, re-hook the leg straps. Then we you pull it out of the bag, grab it by the fall arrest ring on the back. The weight of the leg straps should pull the harness in line and you shouldn't have too much trouble getting it on. Step into the leg 'holes' and go from there. > > Try and find a couple different brands to try on and see how they fit > your body. Most of them have lots of adjustments but how the straps > land will be different on everyone. No point on saving a few dollars > if it isn't going to be comfortable. > Yup. What he said. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:48:46 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: harnesses In-Reply-To: References:

I have the Petzl Navaho Complete harness. There are things I like about it and things I do not. What I don't like about it is the how the shoulder straps come together in the front (in a "V'"). This design causes the straps to rub on my neck when I am in it for a long time. I purchased some Yates seat harnesses for a job last year and I really loved them. I am looking replacing my Petzl harness with Yates' Rigger's full body harness, or something similar. Check out this harness at http://www.rescuetech1.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D193 -Delbert --=20 Delbert Hall Phone: 423-772-4255 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: RE: Salad Forks Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c555dc$10df8fa0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Ya mean we get more than one? (fork, that is) As designers and technicians, many of us get forked over regularly. ------------------------------ From: "Fred Schoening" Subject: RE: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: (and back to grammar!) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:23:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c555e1$1fcb0ad0$1f8afea9 [at] PRODIGALBRAIN> In-Reply-To: Yes, a most excellent and soothing book for us frustrated grammar-philes! "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them." - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance -----Original Message----- By the way, has anybody else here read the book "Eats, Shoots and Leaves"? Fascinating little work. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Message-ID: <63821.66.183.177.34.1115787033.squirrel [at] 66.183.177.34> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: SO, What is the topic(was kauai) AND Out of Office AutoReply: (and back to grammar!) From: "Tom Heemskerk" It's been quite popular in Canada since it came out, but something peculiar was noticed by a review panel on the CBC: There should really be a hyphen in the subtitle ("zero-tolerance").... arguably, of course! th > > Yes, a most excellent and soothing book for us frustrated > grammar-philes! > > By the way, has anybody else here read the book "Eats, Shoots and > Leaves"? Fascinating little work. > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #393 *****************************