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Re: Folding chairs again by Cosmo Catalano 2. 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by Mike Voytko 3. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by Boyd Ostroff 4. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by "Paul Schreiner" 5. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by Boyd Ostroff 6. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by IAEG [at] aol.com 7. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by "Paul Schreiner" 8. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by Mike Brubaker 9. Re: stage floor finish by Sunil Rajan 10. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by "Tony Deeming" 11. Re: stage floor finish long post by IAEG [at] aol.com 12. fresnel advice needed by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 13. Re: fresnel advice needed by IAEG [at] aol.com 14. FS colour correction by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 15. Re: fresnel advice needed by "Jon Ares" 16. Re: fresnel advice needed by "Paul Schreiner" 17. Clearcom in a rental house by Bruce Purdy 18. Re: fresnel advice needed by "Tony Deeming" 19. Re: Clearcom in a rental house by "Tony Deeming" 20. Re: fresnel advice needed by "Paul Sanow" 21. 24 3.6k dimmers by Cosmo Catalano 22. Re: fresnel advice needed by Stephen Litterst 23. Re: 24 3.6k dimmers by IAEG [at] aol.com 24. Re: FS colour correction by Matt DeLong 25. Re: Clearcom in a rental house by "Matthew Breton" 26. Re: Clearcom in a rental house by Greg Williams 27. Re: 24 3.6k dimmers by "Bill Nelson" 28. You think you've built some trick props? by "C. Dopher" 29. Re: fresnel advice needed by "Randy Whitcomb" 30. Re: designing . . . by June Abernathy 31. Re: Clearcom in a rental house by Greg Bierly 32. Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... by "Josh Ratty" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:34:30 -0400 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: Re: Folding chairs again In-reply-to: Cc: defranga [at] po.muohio.edu Message-id: References: Gion-- The Wengers we have are available in different widths. They are also somewhat heavy (heavy?...Wenger...? buy the rolling rack if you plan to move them around a lot). They are also surprisingly comfortable. Cosmo ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3894431211bbb38db15019d15b4b0fd2 [at] nyu.edu> From: Mike Voytko Subject: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:41:45 -0400 ...and well worth it, for the best new show in NYC (if I do say so myself!) Jake Voytko Born Tuesday 5/10/05 7 lb. 9 oz. 20.5" Mom and baby (& Dad) are doing great. Now comes the hard part... :-) Cheers, Mike, Beth, & Jake -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Congratulations Mike! Please give my best to Beth and Jake. Not to get technical.... but wouldn't that be more like a "load out"? At least from Beth's point of view ;-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C817 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Subject: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... >=20 > ...and well worth it, for the best new show in NYC (if I do say so=20 > myself!) >=20 > Jake Voytko > Born Tuesday 5/10/05 > 7 lb. 9 oz. 20.5" >=20 > Mom and baby (& Dad) are doing great. Now comes the hard part... :-) 40 hour load-IN? Maybe from your perspective, but I'd think your wife'd call it a load-out instead... Regardless...many congrats! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:50:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 18 May 2005, Paul Schreiner wrote: > 40 hour load-IN? Maybe from your perspective, but I'd think your wife'd > call it a load-out instead... I agree, but if "all the world's a stage" I suppose a new "production" was just loaded in ;-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:58:33 EDT Subject: Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... In a message dated 5/18/05 10:55:52 AM, ostroff [at] operaphilly.com writes: << > 40 hour load-IN? Maybe from your perspective, but I'd think your wife'd > call it a load-out instead... I agree, but if "all the world's a stage" I suppose a new "production" was just loaded in ;-) >> sounds like the sort of change over work calls we did at the old Opera Company of Boston,, oh it helps if there's a serious blizzard going on out side too..... very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: RE: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:01:05 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C818 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I agree, but if "all the world's a stage" I suppose a new=20 > "production" was=20 > just loaded in ;-) Well, then, here's to a long and glorious run! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050518100100.01d8c380 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:01:56 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... In-Reply-To: References:

Load out of one venue, load in to the next... It's a tour! Congratulations! Mike At 09:50 AM 5/18/2005, Boyd Ostroff wrote: >>40 hour load-IN? Maybe from your perspective, but I'd think your wife'd >>call it a load-out instead... > >I agree, but if "all the world's a stage" I suppose a new "production" was >just loaded in ;-) ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Sunil Rajan Subject: Re: stage floor finish Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:59:29 -0400 On May 18, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > Subject: Re: stage floor finish > From: "Bill Nelson" > > Unfortunately, floor finishes can be a problem, especially where > dancers > are concerned. > That is why many traveling groups take their own dance floor > with them, so that they can be confident they will have the > characteristics they desire. Oh, believe me, I know! And even then, you get the dancers complaining that it's different in every venue! Hell, on the Noise/Funk tour, we carried our own sprung wood deck, and STILL got complaints! I remember being on many an IA local call, loading in and trying to lay cold 'marley' or 'battleship'! Sorry, this whole thing was just brought on by listening to a couple diva dancers... even though I know better... Cheers, Sunil ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:10:13 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Congrats. Is this the first new crew member or is there a whole other list of credits to the show? (And yes, the next 18 years ARE the hard part!!) 8-))) Ynot -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Mike Voytko Sent: 18 May 2005 15:42 To: Stagecraft Subject: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ...and well worth it, for the best new show in NYC (if I do say so myself!) Jake Voytko Born Tuesday 5/10/05 7 lb. 9 oz. 20.5" Mom and baby (& Dad) are doing great. Now comes the hard part... :-) Cheers, Mike, Beth, & Jake -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <205.1d898ed.2fbcc590 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:21:36 EDT Subject: Re: stage floor finish long post In a message dated 5/18/05 12:00:32 PM, squeakypig [at] earthlink.net writes: << I remember being on many an IA local call, loading in and trying to lay cold 'marley' or 'battleship'! Sorry, this whole thing was just brought on by listening to a couple diva dancers... even though I know better... Cheers, Sunil >> this is ground we have covered, , BUT it so much depends on what the dancers are used to, I used to carry a photo of Dame Alicia Markova it was shot from the wings at Covent Garden not too long after WW II She is dancing Giselle Act II and she is clearly bouree'ing over gaps, elevators, misc obstacles on a decades old, cupped wooden and RAKED opera house floor. Didn't seem to bother her. Flash forward to the same opera house, , only just 10 years ago, , before the recent renovations of the venue. I was attending a matinee of the Royal Ballet and sitting directly over the Royal Box, , nice seats! The first two pieces on the program were rather traditional works and lit in a rather flat , opera house style that one would expect to see there with that company and that venue. The last piece on the program was VERY contemporary, and because of various extremely large ( and totally irrelevant to the choreography) sculptural obstacles much of the side lighting was useless . A very Euro thing, , abstract ballets must have elaborate costumes and settings,, the leotard and tights thing that NYCB championed for abstract work still hasn't completely caught on over there. But, , now they had placed Mini Strip on the floor stage right to shoot up and under the massive sculptural piece hanging in the way there ( the legs and borders were all flown out for this piece giving me the closest thing I was going to get to a backstage tour) Well now with this lighting source ON the deck basically, , you could see every little wrinkle and ripple in the vinyl flooring, (that I suspect was some battleship variation) I was AMAZED at how bad it was ! We are talking MAJOR bubbles and ripples and wrinkles. Now I understand that the low angle lighting configuration made it look worse than it was, , but seriously this was remarkably bad When I was at Joffrey, , this would have been completely un acceptable, , and would be considered so today in most amateur regional ballet companies in the states. Did it bother the dancers of The Royal Ballet ? didn't seem to in the least, , , When I toured the Moscow Classical Ballet in full length Swan Lake here in the state a couple of years ago, , I went out of my way to make certain that wings were clear of cables, and obstacles. A few times the wings weren't as clear as I would have liked them, and I was expecting P O 'd dancers like I would have had with US based performers. Did it bother the dancers ? not at all, , they could have cared less about cables on the floor in the wings or off stage, in fact they were constantly creating major obstacles of their own DIRECTLY in the wings with dropped props, , costume pieces, , leg warmers etc etc etc, none of which caused them the least bit of concern with a very large cast running on and off stage frequently Please do not construe that I am proposing that we drop our standards for what we consider "safe" in flooring and backstage obstacles, but do understand that the better you make it, , the better you HAVE to make it. It's all a question of expectations, , , very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F160200E5 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: fresnel advice needed Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:31:26 -0700 I'm looking to purchase a small number of fresnels to replace parcans for a specific location/purpose in our concert hall and lobby. I'm staying away from the ETC Parnel style. Browsing my stack of catalogues, I've come up with Strand: Alto 2kw Fresnelite 6" (1kw) Fresnelite 8" (2kw) Cantana F 1.2kw Leviton: 6" 1kw 8" 2 kw Altman: 1KAF-MPF 6" 1 kw 75Q 8" 1kw 175Q 8" 1kw I'm most familiar with the Strand Fresnelite, and loved the 3380, which isn't in production, but these new fresnelites look almost identical, although I've heard the quality wasn't as great as the 3380. How do the Alto and Cantanas stand up? Other than the outside housing, any difference in the light output or quality? Anybody have the Leviton lamps? As far as I can tell, the difference between the 75Q and 175Q is the 75Q is a thumbscrew to focus, while the 175Q has the handle to turn the focus screw at the back of the housing. Is this correct? And what is BVT lamp???? I don't know the Arri line at all. Any recommendations? GENERALLY SPEAKING, does an 8" lamp takes a 10" gel frame, the same size as a par can? This is important so I don't need to start stocking a fourth size of gel frame. I need 4-6 for a top light for a choir loft (used by choirs or audience seating), which I sometimes focus as an additional backlight on the stage. Throw of roughly 40' is typical. Low level of abuse. They get re-hung/moved 3 times a year. I'm also considering 2 to wash a painting in the lobby. These don't need to be same style as the others, but they should look good, since they are in full view of the patrons. Barndoors for framing are a must. Are the screens I see advertised any use? Other accessories which are useful? (HEY, NO TRAVEL QUESTIONS!) Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:38:21 EDT Subject: Re: fresnel advice needed In a message dated 5/18/05 1:32:20 PM, chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca writes: << I'm staying away from the ETC Parnel style. >> and why prey tell are you staying away from these instruments ? they have quickly become one of my favorites... Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F160200E6 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: FS colour correction Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:44:34 -0700 2 posts, 1 day. No travel, punctuation, or trimming threads. (oops, now there is) I've got 2 Lycian 1275 with 320 hours (7 years old) on them, and the light is starting to get noticeably green and/or ugly. Other than replacing the reflectors with the new dichroic ones from Lycian (as viewed at USITT), I'm wondering about gel correction. There is the CTO (Colour Correction Orange?) of various steps that bring the colour temp down and more in line with the Kelvin of the S4s. I'm thinking that 1/8th or 1/4 is as deep as I want to go, and still have the Oomph of the punch of the spot. I don't want it to blend with the front wash, I just want the green out. What about the Minus Green gels #3300 series in the Rosco book? Does this take the green out? I'm a little confused since the Rosco 3308 says it's for converting fluorescents to daylight. Then the CTO converts the daylight down to tungsten halogen, right? Any guidance on this is muchly appreciated. A quick lesson on Colour Correction for spots would be very helpful. We don't use our spots much (320 hours, 7 years), but we have a wide range of clients who use it (Asian, black, European skin tones), and some of looked AWFUL lately. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001701c55bd1$d29c5380$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: fresnel advice needed Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:48:38 -0700 > Fresnelite 6" (1kw) > Fresnelite 8" (2kw) > Leviton: > > 6" 1kw > 8" 2 kw > > Altman: > > 1KAF-MPF 6" 1 kw > > 75Q 8" 1kw > 175Q 8" 1kw My 2 cents.... Strands: always durable and reliable. Leviton/Colortran: excellent units, and I often spec them, but now that they're made in Mexico (or possibly China now) I am not sure. Haven't used any new ones made in the last year or so. Altman: stay away. Their 1Ks in the past used to be fine, but now although they look like they used to, they're built completely different - the metal feels like pot metal, and like the fixture would shatter if it hit the floor. The focusing 'lever' out the back feels very stiff and delicate. I was really sad to see the decline in Altman quality. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Subject: RE: fresnel advice needed Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C81A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I'm looking to purchase a small number of fresnels to replace=20 > parcans for a specific location/purpose in our concert hall and lobby. While I (unfortunately) don't have any direct experience with their fresnel lines (there are three of them), I strongly recommend checking out Selecon's offerings here. If they're made with the same forethought and care and quality of their ellipsoidals, you'll love them. http://www.seleconlight.com/english/products/theatrical.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:59:20 -0400 Subject: Clearcom in a rental house From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: I have a question for others that work in rental houses. Do you charge a line-item to the client for use of your clear-com headsets / beltpacks, or are they included in the rental fee for the facility? We have traditionally included a basic sound system (including one wired mike) in the rental, but charged a line-item for most everything else. (Lighting, Follow spots, Wireless mikes, clearcom etc.). We charge a small fee per clearcom station used. I am now faced with a local dance school teacher that is insisting I run the show with her walkie talkies so she won't have to pay the small fee for the clearcoms! She is also refusing to use our sound system for music playback (Even though it is included in the price), because her boyfriend manages a BOSE store at the mall and has her convinced that his stuff actually sounds a lot *better* than ours! (It sounds like crap!) But that's besides the point. (I just had to vent.) Anyway - has anyone else run into the "walkie talkie 'cause someone is too cheap to rent the Clear-com" issue before? I am thinking that the Clear-com should be built into the rental. Maybe two stations included with the lighting, and one with each follow spot, or something like that. Any thoughts, experience, insight or suggestions are welcome! Thanks. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: fresnel advice needed Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:18:25 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) Sent: 18 May 2005 18:31 I'm looking to purchase a small number of fresnels to replace parcans for a specific location/purpose in our concert hall and lobby. I'm staying away from the ETC Parnel style. Why are you staying away from the ParNel? OK - they may not be ideal for some applications, and for stages with a high grid, they're likely not powerful enough for the throw, but in situations like ours they're great. Compact, lightweight, a very good punch for the money. I have 14 on our stage bar 1, and will re-equip bar 2 when funds allow. (Our grid height is around 16 ft). Fitted with a 750W bubble they easily outperform most 1kW lanterns. Four lanterns in crossed pairs easily lights the whole of our working stage area of 25 by 20 feet. Have you tried the ParNel and been disappointed? If not, I'd recommend you give them a go. Have you perhaps been put off them by dissenting voices on the group? Those voices may well be right in whatever arena they use, but others like myself have found the ParNel a cracking little light. Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Clearcom in a rental house Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:26:45 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Purdy --------------------------------------------------- I have a question for others that work in rental houses. Do you charge a line-item to the client for use of your clear-com headsets / beltpacks, or are they included in the rental fee for the facility? We have traditionally included a basic sound system (including one wired mike) in the rental, but charged a line-item for most everything else. (Lighting, Follow spots, Wireless mikes, clearcom etc.). We charge a small fee per clearcom station used. I am now faced with a local dance school teacher that is insisting I run the show with her walkie talkies so she won't have to pay the small fee for the clearcoms! She is also refusing to use our sound system for music playback (Even though it is included in the price), because her boyfriend manages a BOSE store at the mall and has her convinced that his stuff actually sounds a lot *better* than ours! (It sounds like crap!) But that's besides the point. (I just had to vent.) Anyway - has anyone else run into the "walkie talkie 'cause someone is too cheap to rent the Clear-com" issue before? I am thinking that the Clear-com should be built into the rental. Maybe two stations included with the lighting, and one with each follow spot, or something like that. Any thoughts, experience, insight or suggestions are welcome! Thanks. Bruce -- My (predominantly amateur) venue (UK) includes most things in our hire fees, but that's just cos we've never really looked at per-item charging. One of the reasons that's so is probably due to the fact that it makes invoicing a LOT easier (and for my sins I also DO the invoicing!). We do charge, of course, for consumables like pyro, batteries for mics, smoke fluid (if it's more than a one/two night gig) etc, and also put a hire fee on the moving lights that we're starting to build up into inventory. The latter is aimed at ensuring that the users a) appreciate that the stuff is expensive to maintain (high bubble costs & service charges if damaged) and b) it prompts them to ensure they have someone competent around to operate/program them! Personally, I'd say that any rental house SHOULD offer all the basics, like standard LX rig, standard PA, etc, and would include a basic comms setup in the package too. Ynot ------------------------------ Subject: RE: fresnel advice needed Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" > Is this correct? And what is BVT lamp???? 1000w 3200K 500 hours Mogul Prefocus according to my GE book > GENERALLY SPEAKING, does an 8" lamp takes a 10" gel frame,=20 > the same size as a par can? This is important so I don't=20 > need to start stocking a fourth size of gel frame. Generally yes. Check the data sheets- some of those manufacturers will = list the size there. > Barndoors for framing are a must. Are the screens I see=20 > advertised any use? Other accessories which are useful? A screen is like neutral density. To dim the light without the = associated shift in color temperature. They come in various densities, = including split versions to change intensity without using a dimmer. If = you size your lamp right, or you don't car about the "amber shift" as = you dim a lamp, you don't need screens. =20 Although I'd sell them to you if you asked me. One other comment. Your email mentioned a range of budget/economy = fresnels (like the Altman 65Q) to really nice TV/location grad stuff = (Arri). Pricing will be all over the place. The Strand Alto is a 220v Euro product. Likewise for Cantata. The = Strand Fresnelite is really your best option for this US application = without getting into film/tv grade equipment. Without getting into character assassination of the various lines that I = don't sell that's all I have. Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:55:14 -0400 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: 24 3.6k dimmers Message-id: <080b7f7971bef69eece6e996d762cdc0 [at] williams.edu> I have a rack of 24 3.6kw Colortran dimmers sitting on my loading dock. These are early 80's vintage, dual SCR units in excellent shape. The rack is about 3ft square and 6ft tall, convection cooled. You'll need to have some sort of D/A converter to run them on any kind of modern control system. I've run them on an LMI DAC for years w/o problems. They will go to the first person who can take them away, otherwise I'll have to dumpsterize them. Cosmo Cosmo Catalano Production Manager Williams College Dept. of Theatre 1000 Main St. Williamstown, MA 01267 413-597-2590 (office) 413-597-4474 (fax) 413-822-0094 (cell) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: fresnel advice needed In-reply-to: Message-id: <3931.172.144.24.175.1116444232.squirrel [at] 172.144.24.175> References: > --------------------------------------------------- Generally speaking -- 8" fresnels will take a 10" cut of color. Or close enough that you can make it work. Don't get the Altman with the screw-type adjust. It's a great idea, but not the best execution. The sliding knob on the bottom is fine. The Strand 8" is a good unit, however the lever adjustment can come loose, allowing the lamp to slide from your desired focus. The Leviton model appears to be identical to the old, Colortran fresnels. I found them quite easy to use, the dial on the side was the easiest focus adjustment I'd ever come across. A BVT is a 1Kw, Mogul prefocus base lamp. Hope this helps, Steve Litterst ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.3bcfb001.2fbcf074 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:24:36 EDT Subject: Re: 24 3.6k dimmers In a message dated 5/18/05 2:55:47 PM, Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu writes: << They will go to the first person who can take them away, otherwise I'll have to dumpsterize them. >> wish we were closer, , , very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:55:40 -0400 From: Matt DeLong Reply-To: Matt DeLong Subject: Re: FS colour correction In-Reply-To: References: Very true the world of color correction and dicroics can be very confusing. If you need specific information or questions feel free to contact me or anyone else at Rosco. There's a great deal of information available on our website also - www.rosco.com. Thank! Matt [at] Rosco=20 1-800-Rosco-ny Matt.Rosco.Tech.Support [at] gmail.com On 5/18/05, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > 2 posts, 1 day. No travel, punctuation, or trimming threads. (oops, now= there is) >=20 > I've got 2 Lycian 1275 with 320 hours (7 years old) on them, and the ligh= t is starting to get noticeably green and/or ugly. >=20 > Other than replacing the reflectors with the new dichroic ones from Lycia= n (as viewed at USITT), I'm wondering about gel correction. >=20 > There is the CTO (Colour Correction Orange?) of various steps that bring = the colour temp down and more in line with the Kelvin of the S4s. I'm thin= king that 1/8th or 1/4 is as deep as I want to go, and still have the Oomph= of the punch of the spot. I > don't want it to blend with the front wash, I just want the green out. >=20 > What about the Minus Green gels #3300 series in the Rosco book? Does this= take the green out? I'm a little confused since the Rosco 3308 says it's = for converting fluorescents to daylight. Then the CTO converts the dayligh= t down to tungsten halogen, > right? >=20 > Any guidance on this is muchly appreciated. A quick lesson on Colour Cor= rection for spots would be very helpful. >=20 > We don't use our spots much (320 hours, 7 years), but we have a wide rang= e of clients who use it (Asian, black, European skin tones), and some of lo= oked AWFUL lately. >=20 > Andrew M. Riter > Head Lighting Technician > Chan Centre for the Performing Arts > University of British Columbia > 6265 Crescent Road > Vancouver, BC > V6T 1Z1 > 604-822-2372 > 604-822-1606 fax > chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca >=20 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Clearcom in a rental house Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:10:41 -0400 > I have a question for others that work in rental houses. Do you charge >a >line-item to the client for use of your clear-com headsets / beltpacks, or >are they included in the rental fee for the facility? When in doubt, tell 'em you're getting a good price on the entire rental item, and breaking it down into separate items is going to kill the deal you're getting on the lighting equipment she really wants. Maybe it just came off the truck from a big show downtown, and the rental place doesn't want to re-inventory everything -- they're just going to slide it from their theater to yours. Slightly unethical, but then again, it doesn't sound like she has your best interests at heart. -- Matt ======== _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:50:18 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Clearcom in a rental house In-reply-to: Message-id: <677e25b6426869641f51dca000900ed0 [at] appstate.edu> References: On May 18, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Bruce Purdy wrote: > I have a question for others that work in rental houses. Do you > charge a > line-item to the client for use of your clear-com headsets / > beltpacks, or > are they included in the rental fee for the facility? > Bruce, I struggled with this and other line-item charges when I TD'd a university roadhouse/rental house. I had users needing to use spotlights, but not willing to pay for comm, and in our building, the cheapo wireless units they would bring in would simply not work. This would of course result in missed cues, crappy and highly noticeable spotty spot work (sorry!), but the "house" was getting the bad rap. Same thing with RatShack mics and cables that groups would bring to avoid charges. My solution was to _lower_ the front-end pricing of the hall, make it all-inclusive for local groups (not promoters bringing in "names" with large tech riders), no matter what they needed, it was included in the base price, including basic light plot, spots, comm, mics, mixer, etc. The catch was that after their base price was realized back at the box office, we took 15% of every ticket from that point on. If the group had a very successful event, we made a lot more money. If they didn't have as successful an event, they still felt they were getting high-level support, but they weren't out of pocket much money, while we still covered our very basic price need. We were able to grow a really good relationship with several local groups this way. In a way, we were in business with them at that point, because we were all working harder to make each show a success, so that we all made a little bit of money out of the deal. We were also able to upgrade several lighting and audio system components in this way, and the clients were able to see their 15% being used to create a better environment for them the next time they came back (and believe me I never failed to point out which pieces of gear we had purchased with "their" money!). This also led to a increased sense of ownership among the community, and hopefully helped break down a little of the natural "town versus gown" that goes on. YMMV of course, but I hope this helps! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2277.64.28.53.106.1116458531.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 24 3.6k dimmers From: "Bill Nelson" > I have a rack of 24 3.6kw Colortran dimmers sitting on my loading dock. > These are early 80's vintage, dual SCR units in excellent shape. The > rack is about 3ft square and 6ft tall, convection cooled. You'll need > to have some sort of D/A converter to run them on any kind of modern > control system. I've run them on an LMI DAC for years w/o problems. > > They will go to the first person who can take them away, otherwise I'll > have to dumpsterize them. Would it be possible to have them shipped? I know of a community theatre that would love to have them. But I will have to negotiate with the board of directors to get funds for shipping. Their budget is really tight as they are starting some structural repairs to their building. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:44:12 -0400 Subject: You think you've built some trick props? From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: Check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/4555455.stm Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000601c55c27$b22e8400$6501a8c0 [at] D4D3R151> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References:

Subject: Re: fresnel advice needed Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:03:19 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Ares" > Altman: stay away. Their 1Ks in the past used to be fine, but now > although they look like they used to, they're built completely different I concur with your assessment of the Altman 1K fresnels. We have several of these units. The gel frame holders are very tight, making it very difficult to slip a frame in. We have had a few of the frame holders break from just having the unit fall a very short distance (7 or 8 inches). Once missing a frame holder, gel frames are not held in place securely. I too have been disappointed in the quality of Altman products in the past several years. Randy Whitcomb,TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050519042057.73204.qmail [at] web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: re: designing . . . Pardon me for taking bandwidth for a "Me too", but Me Too! I think (with your permission) it may become a sig file for me, at least for those "Advice for budding Stage Managers" e-mails that I get from some of the classes on the list. Absolutely the best, most succint advice for getting through a collaborative situation well that I've ever seen. And,(while I'm "Me too-ing"), if you have to like every project AND every collaborator to accept work, the you will limit your experiences HUGELY. Not only is this financially dubious, but you can miss out on experiences and people that turn out MUCH better than you would ever have expected at first glance. I've done great work on terrible shows, and had shows that I disliked at first blush grow on me. Also, I think there is, absolutely, value in negative experiences. I've learned as much or more from people and situations that were, frankly, awful, as I have from the good ones. You can bond with others of the team dealing with a tyrant or an idiot or a construction zone or whatever, and you can impress them and be impressed by them (or disappointed in them) as you each do what you can to handle the situation as professionally and diplomatically as you can. Teaching young designers that they should only look for people and projects that they like, or projects that fall squarely in their comfort zone where they feel that they will be most likely to "shine" is unrealistic and limiting. You learn by stretching, and you often discover talents and interests that you didn't necessarily know that you had in the process. Do you want them to spend their careers looking for the "Easy A's"? June Abernathy AEA Stage Manager IATSE #321 (Tampa) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) >Best damn advice I've seen in a very long time. >Thanks >Bill S. >>on 5/17/05 8:39 PM, kosteral [at] luther.edu at >>kosteral [at] luther.edu wrote: >> Respect and professional attitude >> begets respect and professional attitude. (Or, as >>a cohort of mine once boiled it all down to, "If >>anyone is going to behave like a shit, make >> sure it's not you.") __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9a487b13dd8cebf1c1d5ebf006013bf9 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Clearcom in a rental house Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 01:44:04 -0400 > I am thinking that the Clear-com should be built into the rental. I have never heard of com being a line item unit other than wireless. Good communications makes everyones lives easier. If the renter is questionable don't put out the new stuff. Keep some older headsets around for such occasions. Only bring out the stations you need (ie spots, board op, sound, and SM). Keep all the others locked up out of sight. Just my $.02 Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007e01c55c37$130be330$d8d3040a [at] Rattys> From: "Josh Ratty" References: Subject: Re: 40 hour load-in, w/no OT or dinner breaks... Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 01:53:24 -0400 Paul Schreiner wrote: 40 hour load-IN? Maybe from your perspective, but I'd think your wife'd call it a load-out instead... The load out is the 18 or so years until he moves out! Congrats! Josh Ratty ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #401 *****************************