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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22846938; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:00:51 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #417 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:00:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, WORK_AT_HOME autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #417 1. Re: rookie welder by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Shawn Palmer 3. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. Re: Is this wise ? :) by Shawn Palmer 5. Re: ETC's new Congo console debuts at Eurovision Song Contest by "Sarah Clausen" 6. Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Al Fitch 7. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Paul Schreiner" 8. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Boyd Ostroff 10. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Tony Deeming" 11. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Paul Schreiner" 12. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Christopher Haas CEHAAS 13. Re: oxy-acetylene and brazing by "Karl G. Ruling" 14. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Steve Larson 15. Re: Soundtrack Pro by Steve Larson 16. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Boyd Ostroff 17. Personnel lift reccomendations? by Stephen Litterst 18. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by Delbert Hall 19. Re: Personnel lift reccomendations? by SB 20. Re: Soundtrack Pro by Jason Romney 21. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Ken Romaine" 22. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Josh Ratty" 23. Other metal working questions (was: rookie welder) by Michael Heinicke 24. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Michael Finney" 25. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Wood Chip-P26398 26. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 27. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Jerry Durand 28. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Stephen Litterst 29. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Michael Heinicke 30. Re: MSDS Resources by "Jerry Dougherty" 31. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Shawn Palmer 32. Re: MSDS Resources by Jerry Durand 33. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Michael Powers 34. Re; Rookie welder ... by Michael Powers 35. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Bill Sapsis 36. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 37. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Bill Sapsis 38. Todd Whistle by Bruce Purdy 39. Re: Todd Whistle by Jerry Durand 40. Re: Re; Rookie welder ... by Bill Sapsis 41. Re: Todd Whistle by "Storms, Randy" 42. Re: Todd Whistle by Bruce Purdy 43. Re: Todd Whistle by Bruce Purdy 44. Re: lighting console advice - ganging channels for 16-bit resolution by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 45. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by MissWisc [at] aol.com 46. Re: Todd Whistle by Delbert Hall 47. PLEASE NOTE MY EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE... by "Steve Jones" 48. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Christopher Haas CEHAAS 49. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Chris Warner" 50. Re: Oxy not welding!? by Loren Schreiber 51. Re: Another Stage Related Accident - similar but less tragic incident by CB 52. OT--varnish removal question by CB 53. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by CB 54. Re: re Dead Cat Soap by CB 55. Re: Todd Whistle by Stephen Litterst 56. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by usctd [at] columbia.sc 57. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by CB 58. Re: OT--varnish removal question by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 59. Re: Another Stage Related Accident - similar but less tragic incident by Mat Goebel 60. Re: Another Stage Related Accident - similar but less tragic incident by gregg hillmar 61. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Dale Farmer 62. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by "Chris Warner" 63. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Dale Farmer 64. Re: Oxy not welding!? by "Bill Nelson" 65. Re: Oxy not welding!? by "Bill Nelson" 66. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Seth Richardson 67. Re: Todd Whistle by Dale Farmer 68. Re: Todd Whistle by Greg Williams 69. unsubscribe by *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:42:10 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: rookie welder Message-id: <003801c56831$479c9ee0$0202a8c0 [at] lastpc> References: > I'm planning to make the jump from lumber to steel for > Noises Off this summer. 'Twer me, I would select a simpler show... Oxy-acetylene has its uses. Cutting, warming, bending, brazing, but not welding really. Don't get me wrong, one can weld with it and get full penetration at the gauges you are considering, but the process is s-l-o-w. Laters, Paul "I have no recollection of the last twenty-four hours," said Tom lackadaisically. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A04A3E.2020500 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:17:02 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms References:

In-Reply-To: Stuart > Shawn Palmer wrote: > >> You also would have to >> switch the polarity on your MIG to weld aluminum. > This is not true... > > When using most flux cored wires without gas you need to swap polarity, > but when welding with hardwire in either Aluminum, copper, stainless or > carbon steel with appropriate gas, you weld with the same polarity. > > > Otherwise, great advice. > > Stuart Man, what can I say... it was late, I screwed up. Polarity is 'reversed' with GMAW and 'straight' with FCAW. That is, the work is the negative with GMAW and positive with FCAW. Very sorry for the bad information. Yikes. Now I will sleep. Shawn ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c56837$e134c8b0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Here I go again. WHY is everyone so enthusiastic about PAR > lanterns, of > whatever sort. For the same reason we use profiles, Fresnels, and, for that matter, colour -- it's an available tool, and it's a poor artist who arbitrarily rules out the use of available tools in situations in which the use of those tools is appropriate. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A051B2.7090408 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:48:50 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Is this wise ? :) References:

In-Reply-To: > Has anyone had any dealing with the company below > > http://www.wholesalehunter.com/ > Wholesale Hunter > 3059 Audrain Road 581 > Vandalia, MO 63382 > > I wish to buy from them a (Winchester Fixed Knife & Tool Gift Set > (22-47187) ) but they do not take UK credit/debit cards drawn on UK banks or > paypal.They want certified funds - money order, cashiers check, bank draft, > etc.Is this wise ? :) with shipping it's only $42.08 US but I would hate to > line the pockets of a rip-off-artist . > > Cheers > Chris > I have not had any dealings with this company, but I can say this policy is not at all uncommon for a smaller outfit, like this seems to be. Obviously they are charged a percentage for every credit card transaction. It seems likely either they did not want to pay the extra to accept UK funds or their credit card merchant account simply won't allow them too. Same deal with PayPal... they didn't want to pay the 4% or whatever the current rate is to use the service. They want ALL the money the are entitled too ;-) FWIW Shawn P Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ETC's new Congo console debuts at Eurovision Song Contest Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F2194BE6C [at] MIDL-MAILV.etcconnect.com> From: "Sarah Clausen" We are currently building a web presence for Congo and we're also in the process of releasing literature (brochures, data sheets...) for the console. When we have those together we'll have a product page available. In the mean time, I can offer: http://www.eurovisiondiary.com/ This site is really about the whole Eurovision Song Contest production from a technical (mostly electrics) point of view. I'll let you all know when the Congo literature becomes available. You can also view preliminary information about Congo by following the Avab link on the bottom of our main web site. www.etcconnect.com Really basic stats: 3072 channels (channels=3Ddevices, so a moving light is only one channel in this system) 1024 outputs/parameters at the base level, upgrade up to 12 universes (6144 outputs) Multiple Sequences (cue lists) Dynamic Effects (35 base templates which you can modify, copy, edit, combine, create new...) Main theatrical-style playback crossfader pair with rate control 40 Multi-purpose masters with 999 pages Direct Selects for screen views, groups, palettes Focus, Color, Beam and All Palettes (referenced data) Graphical screens with mouseless navigation Thanks! Sarah Sarah Clausen Product Manager Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050603130507.78465.qmail [at] web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Fitch Subject: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts In-Reply-To: I'm looking for a new Macintosh that will be big enough and fast enough to run VectorWorks or CAD (I heard in my CAD I class there might be a possibility of that coming back to or to the Mac again) and a sound editing program like Peak4 and have wireless capabilities. What are some of the best sources for this if I qualify for an educational discount (which I do)? I'm aware that I will be paying a couple of grand for one after all is said and done. Thanks Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ------------------------------ Subject: RE: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C82E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Let me put this ad in for SAFETY. ALWAYS Use all of the Personal=20 > Protective Equipment suggested, including long sleeves, proper gloves=20 > (Leather) and Masks. I think my personal favor was watching=20 > my welding=20 > teacher set his glove and sleeve on fire. Don't worry he was OK. There is a bit of a safety issue with stick that doesn't really exist with MIG, and that's the fact that the electrode is charged at all times (and not just when you pull the trigger--cuz, like, there is no trigger). I found that out the hard way when I was learning... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C82F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > PAR lanterns are 6" whitewash brushes: I prefer smaller and=20 > more controllable=20 > instruments to create my pictures. Sometimes, though, we're not painting cameos, but houses... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: You don't really need the top of the line machine for what you describe. I have several Macs, the best of which is a dual 2.5ghz G5, however I work a lot with digital video, 3d modeling and computer animation. I would get something with a G5 in it however, just to future proof yourself. The G4's are looking a little long in the tooth these days :-) Of course, if you want a laptop you will be limited to the G4 because that's all that's available. The G5 towers are very nice, but BIG and HEAVY. I'd forget the single 1.8mhz G5, it is pretty lackluster. THe dual 2.0ghz G5 is the entry level dual processor machine and might be worth a look. It is limited by a slower bus, less RAM slots, and a less capable graphics card when compared to the faster models however. The iMac G5 might suit your needs, but there isn't much expandability. However it's very compact, includes a screen and is a good value. For starters, I would go to an Apple Store if there's one near you (see the list here: http://www.apple.com/buy/). The staff is very helpful and you can try the different models. I think you can get academic pricing there, but not sure. Also visit Apple's online education store here: http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/routingpage.html You won't get all that big of a discount on the Mac itself from what I've seen. However you may get an attractive deal on AppleCare (extended warranty) and software. | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:21:07 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: 03 June 2005 14:09 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > PAR lanterns are 6" whitewash brushes: I prefer smaller and > more controllable > instruments to create my pictures. Sometimes, though, we're not painting cameos, but houses... And aren't the more common (in theatre) Par 64's and EIGHT inch wash brush?? 8-)) ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C830 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > And aren't the more common (in theatre) Par 64's and EIGHT=20 > inch wash brush?? I think there's a tendency over here at least to get away from the PAR64 style instrument for most houses; but they are still one of the big picks for concert tours and outdoor shows. Then you're really talking about painting big areas... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts Message-ID: From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:38:33 -0400 I used Peak and Deck when I was teaching at Ball State and they ran just fine all the way down to a G4/450. My personal computer is a 15" Powerbook G4 w/ 1.25 ghz processor. The nice thing with Powerbooks is it comes with the wireless built in, has an extra video out (I have a second monitor on my desk for working at home) plus it's portable. It handles Vectorworks no problem. Vectorworks really doesn't require that much processor if you aren't doing major 3d work. The bulk of my work is shop construction plans and lightplots, so my old G3 iBook did just fine with it. However, avoid the iBooks if you are looking for a laptop and want to use it for audio. The Powerbook has a PC card slot and now has USB 2.0 as well as Firewire 800 on it. The larger screen with the Powerbook is nicer for drafting as well. I wish I had the money at the time to buy the 17" monster Powerbook, as I can never have enough screenspace when drafting. If you are currently a student at a University, go to the Apple Store and look on the right side for the Education Store link. Click on that and follow the links to see if your school has a online store with Apple. Ball State had that and I ended up buying my Powerbook with the 3 year extended warranty for about $300 less than I could have bought just the Powerbook. Also check out Powermax.com. They sell refurbished and new Macs there and usually have all sorts of extra deals in place. I bought my iBook through them and traded in my old Powerbook Wallstreet at the time. Knocked about $250 off the price of the iBook. If you are going to be buying Vectorworks, contact Nemetschek directly and get your student pricing from them. I believe Marc Evans is the rep for education. Bias also offers educational discounts. Peak is a decent two track editing program, I really like it and it has a short learning curve in my opinion. It is worth getting the full version of Peak, as Peak LE has many definite limitations. I also bought Deck, which is the multi-track program that works hand in hand with Peak. I realized that for the bulk of work I was doing with theatre sound, I could have gotten away with just Deck LE (in my opinion) It may be worth it to buy LE first and decide for your self. Also, Sound Soap (Bias' audio clean-up program) works pretty darn good. I don't have Sound Soap Pro (sound is no longer under my supervision in my current job, can't justify buying it just to buy it) but I've heard good things about. Chip Haas (who really likes Macs and is suffering through life at a PC only University and am desperately trying to learn AutoCad) Technical Director Department of Theatre The University of North Carolina at Greensboro 336-334-3891 ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:06:52 -0400 Subject: Re: oxy-acetylene and brazing Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <42A02BBC.8091.5653309 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > You're right, technically, about the oxy rig. But there is very > little penetration with oxy so, as I said, it is more like brazing. > ie: the connection material is built up on the surface. > Only if you don't do it right. With the right sized flame and the correct speed, you can make the weld penetrate all the way through the material (and melt a hole in it, if you are clumsy). It just takes time, LOTS more time than stick or MIG welding. You have to melt the base material together and then use the welding rod only as a filler to fill the crater, not as solder or some sort of glue. I have spent many hours welding together equipment racks made out of pipe, furniture and scenery made of electrical conduit, and automobile exhaust systems, all with gas welding rigs. Stick and MIG are way faster. Brazing, by the way, is useful if done right in the right situation. Brazing rod is not as strong as the base material if you're welding steel or iron, but the process takes less concentrated heat, so the braze is less likely to compromise the surrounding material if it is heat sensitive. While the brazing rod that makes the joint is weaker than the steel or iron it's joining, the joint can be plenty strong if the bonding area is large, for example, with a lap joint. Sometimes you can do a brazed joint with a very large mating surface that can't be done easily by welding. Example: I once brazed in a bolt to replace a threaded stud I had broken off on a cast generator mount on my MGB. I lopped off the head of a bolt, drilled a hole for the headless bolt into the mounting where I had broken off the stud, and then brazed the bolt into the hole. I made sure the bolt and hole were clean and used brazing flux so the melted brazing rod wicked into the space between bolt and the sides of the hole. I could use a fairly gentle heat over the whole assembly so the mount wasn't distorted. My repair was still good when I finally junked the car about 15 years later. I also used brazing to construct an alcohol-tight trough out of sheet metal for a flame effect. I didn't have the skill to weld the thin metal together without punching holes through it, and solder or any other joint sealer wouldn't withstand the heat of the flame effect in the trough. Brass brazing rod and brazing were the answer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:11:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Most Macs with 450MHz processors or faster will run most of the sound programs. Mac has Soundtrack Pro that you might want to check out. I haven't yet, but it looks good. Coincides with Final Cut Pro editing. Check out Apple's website. Steve > From: Al Fitch > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT) > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm looking for a new Macintosh that will be big > enough and fast enough to run VectorWorks or CAD (I > heard in my CAD I class there might be a possibility > of that coming back to or to the Mac again) and a > sound editing program like Peak4 and have wireless > capabilities. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:13:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Soundtrack Pro From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Which Mac sound programs do you recommend? Steve > It seems a bit limited for building theatre sound cues. My impression > is that it's great for low-budget filmmakers using Final Cut Pro but > there are better tools available for theatre sound. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Romney > Sound Design Instructor - North Carolina School of the Arts > Vice Commissioner for Computing Industry - USITT Sound Commission > jason [at] cd-romney.com > romneyj [at] ncarts.edu > http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/dtsdw.asp > http://www.cd-romney.com > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:17:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Steve Larson wrote: > Coincides with Final Cut Pro editing. Check out Apple's website. One word of caution regarding the academic version of Final Cut Pro and other parts of the Production Suite. These versions are not upgradeable. The academic pricing is very attractive, but realize you're buying a "dead end." For example, if you bought the production suite as a senior in college, then after graduating you wanted to upgrade to a new version you'd be out of luck. You'd have to buy a whole new package at full price, and this would cost more than if you'd bought the retail version originally and then upgraded it. So just keep this in mind, it's being discussed a lot on Apple's site. Older versions of the software could be upgraded, but the latest versions cannot. | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:23:15 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Personnel lift reccomendations? Message-id: <42A067D3.CDFB5DE [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts As the summer lull settles in, I'm doing some research on a new Aerial work platform for the theatre. Currently we have two Genie lifts, an AWP-24 and an IWP-30. I'm leaning towards getting another Genie just to keep them all in the same family, but I want to get some input on other brands before we decide. The parameters within which we're working are 25'-30'platform height. Small enough to fit through a standard door. Lightweight (less than 1/2 ton) AC powered I've been intrigued by the JLG line, but have never worked with them enough to know enough about their reliability. Opinions are welcome on or off list. Thanks, Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:30:13 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par In-Reply-To: References:

Jeff's advice is very good (read it again below). I have never used the Star PAR, but I was the lighting designer for an outdoor drama for 10 years and we used S4 PARs. I was very pleased with their performance and with how well they held up. Ten years of use, in all types of weather (rain, snow, heat) and they still work great. Lamp life is also very good. We use all S4 instruments at this theatre, and having one lamp that fits every instrument is a big plus. I am sure that whichever instrument you choose, you will like it. Delbert Hall Phone: 423-773-4255 > If size was a major consideration, that would tilt me toward the S4 (as > would the fact that one can get 6 gel cuts out of a sheet, as opposed to = 4 > with the Star PAR. >=20 > If intensity and smoothness were more important, I'd go with the Star PAR= . >=20 > If the theatre had a low grid or if a wide field were for some other reas= on > very important to me, I'd go with the Star PAR. >=20 > If all other factors were equal, I'd buy the PAR that used the same lamps= as > my existing fixture inventory (the Star PAR uses the same GLC lamp as the > Shakespeare or the Strand SL). > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:54:09 -0400 From: SB Subject: Re: Personnel lift reccomendations? Message-id: <003601c5684c$19630490$6501a8c0 [at] lighting> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litterst" > As the summer lull settles in, I'm doing some research on a new Aerial > work platform for the theatre. Currently we have two Genie lifts, an > AWP-24 and an IWP-30. I'm leaning towards getting another Genie just > to keep them all in the same family, but I want to get some input on > other brands before we decide. > > The parameters within which we're working are > 25'-30'platform height. > Small enough to fit through a standard door. > Lightweight (less than 1/2 ton) > AC powered > > I've been intrigued by the JLG line, but have never worked with them > enough to know enough about their reliability. I'm very impressed with our new JLG 20DVL, which is the self powered, drivable 20ft height model. The quality of the product is outstanding, in terms of design and functionality. Granted that this is not a model you're interested in, but I am impressed with the unit. It is a heavy sucker, though.... FWIW, we also got a new Genie IWP30 for the Dept. of Theater and for those times when we need to reach beyond 25 ft. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7f99d38a60d7f511280c45cd38b0cf33 [at] cd-romney.com> From: Jason Romney Subject: Re: Soundtrack Pro Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:48:24 -0400 On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Steve Larson wrote: > Which Mac sound programs do you recommend? > Well, it depends. Right now I use a combination of three programs. Peak, Pro Tools, and Reason. Peak does my sample editing when I'm working with an AKAI sampler for show playback. Pro Tools does all my multi-track editing and MIDI sequencing. Reason is my software synthesizer. I've been working with Logic 7 lately because it looks as though Apple has managed to combine the functionality of all three of these programs into one program that does not require any external hardware. They've also managed to address some of the shortcomings of some of these programs. I'm impressed so far. The one big thing that seems to be missing at this point is sample loop editing. Logic's built-in sample editor does not have the ability to create sample loop points that will be recognized by a hardware sampler. I think Apple didn't really think of that since they're really pushing the software sampler thing but there are still a lot of us in the theatre world who use hardware samplers for theatre playback. I'm working with Apple to help them understand the needs of the theatre industry and get the sample loop marking added to Logic. Assuming Apple can work out the kinks, I think Logic is going to be a great tool for theatre sound designers. The Sound Commission is offering a conference session on using Logic for theatre sound at next year's USITT Conference in Louisville. We hope to have a few Logic power users there (Curtis Craig is heading this up) to show us what we can do with it. _______________________________________________________ Jason Romney Sound Design Instructor - North Carolina School of the Arts Vice Commissioner for Computing Industry - USITT Sound Commission jason [at] cd-romney.com romneyj [at] ncarts.edu http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/dtsdw.asp http://www.cd-romney.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:54:18 -0700 Message-ID: <35418D398577A34FB3A059F99B9F370203BF4E2F [at] nigel.tmbworldwide.tmb.com> From: "Ken Romaine" On or about Thu, 02 Jun 2005, Jerry Durand allegedly wrote: She (his wife) also used a forge and=20 showed me how to pound hot steel. :) Geez, some guys have ALL the fun. Ken Romaine TMB New York The opinions expressed herein are mine - all mine. I'm a happy miser.=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:46:17 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Message-id: <00ae01c56853$624aa300$0301000a [at] Rattys> References:

When i first learned how to weld, we learned in a very specific order. First we learned gas welding with the torch. This is really good at teaching the basic movement of creating a puddle and working it along the weld. It's a bit slower and you can see everything happening. Next we learned with the stick welder. This builds nicely on everything we had learned with the torch, and introduces using an electric arc. Finally we learned how to use the mig welder which is really just a hot glue gun for steel and quite easy once you've learned the other methods. Years later after welding more scenic pieces than i could count i learned how to tig weld which can be a very zen thing if you like to weld. So if you have the time i would reccomend you follow this order in your instruction. As for the platform i would likely frame it with 1"X2" box steel on edge. Best of luck Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050603162234.91804.qmail [at] web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Other metal working questions (was: rookie welder) In-Reply-To: 6667 The recent welding discussion has reminded me of a couple of questions I've been meaning to ask. Can anyone recommend resources (book, online, periodical, etc) to learn more about working with metal? I have experience with MIG welding, Oxy-Acetylene cutting and have some experience with the information in Structural Design for the Stage. I am interested in picking up stuff about working with aluminum and just learning more tricks and techniques for steel. I am familiar with the number of books for various types of carpentry, but not so much metalworking. Anyone have some favorite resources to share? Thanks, Mike H ------------------------------ Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:51:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" Ohhh! Metal! You're going to enjoy this at least as much as you enjoy = working with wood (and probably more than working with fiberglass, but = that might be my personal prejudice). I'd second the recommendations for Hlden/Sammler's "Structural Design = for the Stage" and Fitch's welding text - both great places to start. = If you start getting further into structural framing, you might also = want to pick up Ambrose's "Design of Building Trusses" - it's more = suited directly to building structures, but it's got some of the = clearest explanations for truss framing systems that I've seen. Heck, = it even has examples of Rohn (triangular) truss structures and the = associated calculations. Let the party begin! Personal opinions, personal opinions, personal opinions (mostly) about = equipment: 1) I learned on stick, and I'd agree with those who've said "if you can = learn stick, MIG is a piece of cake". The advantages are that stick is = more suitable for very thick materials, sometimes allows better access = to interior surfaces, is cheaper to get into (although not by much = anymore), and may be easier to find supplies for in secondary markets. = One other big advantage to knowing stick: if you ever think you might = be working internationally, there's a better chance of finding a stick = rig around than a MIG or TIG set-up. Even in a lot of industrial = countries you'll find more stick rigs available. The caveat is that the = actual types of rod available may be limited - working in Korea, I = learned to bring decent rods from the US...I think they were making the = local rods out of coat hangers (talk about getting no penetration....but = lots of smoke and drama). Probably still not the best choice for a = smaller scene shop, but a great thing to learn. 2) MIG is probably the easiest and most accessible for beginners. = Personally I prefer to use gas instead of flux-core (although I do have = a flux-core set-up for "grab and go" situations) - I seem to get much = better quality welds out of even a badly set up gas rig than I can out = of any flux-core rig, but that may just be me being a spaz. You *can* = set up for aluminum with a lot of MIG rigs, but the welds almost = certainly won't be as clean or strong (MIG doesn't create as closely = controlled an "environment" around the weld - the temperature control = isn't as precise (aluminum has a much narrower working temperature range = than steel), and there are more likely to be impurities in the = gas/plasma bubble around the actual weld point...all of those are = important for working in aluminum, and critical for working in stainless = or anything exotic). 3) TIG can be a raging pain to learn, but it ultimately has the most = flexibility in metal types....and will tend to create the most = consistent welds (in the hands of an experienced user). Probably not a = good choice for most shops, unless you're doing 'assembly line' welding = of aluminum. Every time I have to work with a TIG set-up for some = reason (not at all common!) I count on an hour or so of ruining metal = before I even go close to the real piece. On the other hand, I have = certainly found myself in situations where the only option to creating a = give weld was TIG (ferinstance: fixing a joint in a stainless steel VJ = line...). 4) Oxy-acetylene...well, I still own a gas rig. Use it for heating = metal to bend, and sometimes for cutting (although I LOVE my little ESAB = plasma cutter!). Other than that, it really hasn't been used for = anything except a little bit of pipe brazing at my folks vacation place = last year. It's probably still worth learning....and a lot of classes = will start you out with this, as it's easier to see things within the = weld point/weld field when you're working at these temperatures. I'd definitely encourage classes! I learned stick and then MIG = informally in a scene shop (although it was from Doug Taylor, who *had* = written a book on the subject!), but really didn't know more than the = basics of either system until I'd taken a local community college class = (or two). =20 And do buy all that nice safety equipment....(heck, splurge and get = yourself one of those nice self-darkening masks...I'm loving mine!).=20 OK, back to doing estimates again...when the heck did I become a = construction estimator? Grumble, grumble, grumble! Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com =A0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B06F5AF98 [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:53:34 -0700 I didn't know that steel gauge followed the same reverse rules as wire- the smaller the gauge the bigger the stuff. Can anybody tell me how that got started and in what way does it make sense? -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of usctd [at] columbia.sc I would recomend getting 14G wall thickness. It's a little heavier than 16G (obviously) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:41:47 -0400 Frank wrote: "Here I go again. WHY is everyone so enthusiastic about PAR lanterns, of whatever sort. If you are interested in lumens per dollar, or lumens per ampere, they have their advantages. I don't think that that is what stage lighting is about. I think it's about painting pictures with light, according to the intentions of the director and designer. PAR lanterns are 6" whitewash brushes: I prefer smaller and more controllable instruments to create my pictures." Frank, Do you never use any type of "Flood" lighting such as what we call scoops or the good old Olivette? PARS are a handy and compact replacement and certainly more controllable. In the crass commercial world of the entertainment industry the people writing the checks certainly expect a designer to not use a more complex fixture when a PAR will suit. I know Rock & Roll is beneath you but consider the amount of time saved focusing a backlight truss of PARCANS over ERS's. I agree that Theatre and Dance Lighting is about painting with light but do you really maintain that there is no place for a very efficient fixture such as the PAR? PS - Much as I prefer ETC the Star Par is actually a very good instrument. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603100822.029fe130 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:12:58 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms In-Reply-To: References: At 08:54 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: >On or about Thu, 02 Jun 2005, Jerry Durand allegedly wrote: > > >She (his wife) also used a forge and >showed me how to pound hot steel. :) > > >Geez, some guys have ALL the fun. When I bought her a nice table saw for Christmas, everyone thought it was for me. I actually HAVE used it a couple of times. She lets me operate the larger hand-held power tools (reciprocating saw, circular saw) since they're hard for her to hold (small hands). She also only rarely uses the milling machine. We get along fine, we met when I was working for her (she was TD, I did special effects), she now owns 51% of our company. :) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:22:01 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Message-id: <42A091B9.3C6408A6 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

This has been a great thread, but coming so soon after the release of Revenge of the Sith I keep reading the subject as "Wookie Welder..." My name is Stephen and I'm a Star Wars geek. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050603190025.24504.qmail [at] web81710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms In-Reply-To: 6667 --- Stephen Litterst wrote: > I keep reading the subject as > "Wookie Welder..." Talk about needing good protective gear!! Whichever side of the weld the Wookie is on... Mike H ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jerry Dougherty" Subject: Re: MSDS Resources Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- > >Hello all. I am starting to collect and organize MSDS's here in our >shop and I need some guidance. > > Legally, the distributor of the product is required to provide the MSDS on request. Most big stores (Home Depot, Wally Mart, etc.) typically contract with a third party, as was mentioned in another post, an on-request means they will give you an 800- number to call and someone will fax it to you. Go to Wally World, buy some White Out (yes, it is hazardous material and you should have an MSDS for it), and ask them to provide you with one. See what happens. Google is a good source for MSDS. Just be very specific with your search. Otherwise, the Cornell depository is considered to be one of the best. The more difficult process, in my opinion, is the annual inventory. When I was at UNC in Colorado, each spring I would have my intermediate stagecraft class do the inventory and turn it in to me to compile. It served several purposes: 1. They saw what a pain in the ass it was to keep the inventory current. 2. The learned the importance of not storing "mystery" chemicals in unmarked containers. 3. The got some basic knowledge of how to manage their own HAZCOM program. 4. It gave me the 40 man-hours of labor to accomplish the task in only two hours. 5. It made them read the labels and discover just how many bad things they worked with every day and how they should protect themselves. This process was preceded by a class on how to read an MSDS and the legalities behind HAZCOM and the 29 CFR. On caveat, if you happen to be in California, don't take any of this advice, everything there is known to cause cancer and is already labeled as such. Inventory, collect, communicate; that's all there is to it. Jerry ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A0AA2E.1080708 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:06:22 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms References:

In-Reply-To: > This has been a great thread, but coming so soon after the release of > Revenge of the Sith I keep reading the subject as "Wookie Welder..." > > > > My name is Stephen and I'm a Star Wars geek. In my inbox I get all these Wookie Welder notes above Star*Par notes. Wookie welders and Star Pars... Hmmm.... Shawn ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603121428.04bfead8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:25:01 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: MSDS Resources In-Reply-To: References:

At 12:05 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote: >On caveat, if you happen to be in California, don't take any of this advice, >everything there is known to cause cancer and is already labeled as such. I see a lot of us in California are leaving off warning labels lately, I guess I really should put it in our manuals, just to be covered. :( --- WARNING: This e-mail message may contain chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and/or birth defects or other reproductive harm. --- ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f05060312467270ce01 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:46:40 -0400 From: Michael Powers Reply-To: Michael Powers Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms In-Reply-To: References: Bill Sapsis writes: << ..... But there is very little penetration with oxy so, as I said, it is more like brazing. ie: the connection material is built up on the surface. .... >> Bill, If this is your experience with gas, the problem is with the welder (the person) not the technique. If the weld was on the surface, the welder was: A. --=20 Michael Michael Powers 413-863-4376 home 413-522-3036 cell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f050603130328343732 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:03:26 -0400 From: Michael Powers Reply-To: Michael Powers Subject: Re; Rookie welder ... Bill Sapsis writes: << ..... But there is very little penetration with oxy so, as I said, it is more like brazing. ie: the connection material is built up on the surface. .... >> Bill, If this is your experience with gas, the problem is with the welder (the person) not the technique. If the weld was on the surface, the welder was: A. Using too small a tip size for the metal thickness. B. Welding too fast and moving the weld puddle along before penetration. C. Not properly preparing the joint, i.e. not grinding proper bevels on the mating pieces or not spacing them apart or both. D. Using the wrong size (diameter) filler rod for the planed weld speed and desired bead size. E. Trying to make what should be multi-pass weld in a single pass. F. All of the above or some combination. =20 Properly done a gas (Oxy-Acct.) weld can join 3" thick plates with 100% penetration. Course, like you said, it takes a loooong time. --=20 Michael Michael Powers 413-863-4376 home 413-522-3036 cell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:15:18 -0400 Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Is this a trick question??? OK. I admit it. I suck with oxy welding. I tried and I tried and I still just didn't get it. There. Are you all happy now? Y'all have a good weekend. Me? Nah, don't worry about me. I'll be fine. Just fine. I'll just sit over here...in the corner. No worries.... <> Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/3/05 3:46 PM, Michael Powers at mptecdir [at] gmail.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Sapsis writes: > > << ..... But there is very little penetration with oxy so, as I > said, it is more like brazing. ie: the connection material is built > up on the surface. .... >> > > Bill, > > If this is your experience with gas, the problem is with the welder > (the person) not the technique. If the weld was on the surface, the > welder was: > A. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c56879$42f1edd0$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > OK. I admit it. I suck with oxy welding. I tried and I > tried and I still just didn't get it. > > There. Are you all happy now? That's OK, Bill; we'll still let you tie knots and stuff.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:27:24 -0400 Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I appreciate it. on 6/3/05 4:17 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg at stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com wrote: > That's OK, Bill; we'll still let you tie knots and stuff.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:36:53 -0400 Subject: Todd Whistle From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: Thank you for your feedback on my Star*par/S4 Par questions. Especially Jeff. That was the type of info I wanted. And now for something completely different: We are launching a production of Sweeney Todd. A key element is of course, the factory whistle. I'd like, if possible, to use a real whistle rather than a recording. I've seen other productions that used a recording and it never came close to the impact I felt when I saw the show on Broadway years ago. Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle like this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050603133759.03859ed8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:40:01 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Todd Whistle In-Reply-To: References: At 01:36 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote: > Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle like >this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? Think LOUD indoors! It's been a while since I've seen ST, but I thing these were the standard steam-powered whistles that sat on top of the building. I remember them from when I lived in NJ (1956 to 1968). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:45:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Re; Rookie welder ... From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Tips? Grinders? You need that stuff? Now they tell me..... Bill S. (Contrary to what you may be thinking, I do have a lot of work to do this afternoon. It's just that this is way more fun on a rainy Friday afternoon.) www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/3/05 4:03 PM, Michael Powers at mptecdir [at] gmail.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Sapsis writes: > > << ..... But there is very little penetration with oxy so, as I > said, it is more like brazing. ie: the connection material is built > up on the surface. .... >> > > Bill, > > If this is your experience with gas, the problem is with the welder > (the person) not the technique. If the weld was on the surface, the > welder was: > A. Using too small a tip size for the metal thickness. > B. Welding too fast and moving the weld puddle along before penetration. > C. Not properly preparing the joint, i.e. not grinding proper > bevels on the mating pieces or not spacing them apart or both. > D. Using the wrong size (diameter) filler rod for the planed weld > speed and desired bead size. > E. Trying to make what should be multi-pass weld in a single pass. > F. All of the above or some combination. > > Properly done a gas (Oxy-Acct.) weld can join 3" thick plates with > 100% penetration. Course, like you said, it takes a loooong time. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Todd Whistle Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:56:14 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323AD8 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Google "Steam Whistle". Lotsa stuff out there. Here's one: http://www.boothmanandjohnson.com/products.htm Cheers, -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- We are launching a production of Sweeney Todd. A key element is of course, the factory whistle.=20 Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle = like this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:00:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Todd Whistle From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle like >> this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? > > Think LOUD indoors! It's been a while since I've seen ST, but I thing > these were the standard steam-powered whistles that sat on top of the > building. I remember them from when I lived in NJ (1956 to 1968). > Yep, that's what I'm after. Trouble is, I don't happen to have one of those laying around. IF I could find a steam whistle from some old closed-down factory - and do so on a community theatre budget (Read: no budget) could it be run on compressed air rather than steam? Any ideas as to getting my hands on such a beast? Is there a way I might be able to build such a whistle? Am I better off just going with a recording even though I'd prefer not to? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:09:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Todd Whistle From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Google "Steam Whistle". Lotsa stuff out there. Here's one: > http://www.boothmanandjohnson.com/products.htm Yea, I tried Google first, but all I could find (including that link) are about locomotive whistles. Lots of different whistles from trains, many different sounds, but none sound to me anything like the FACTORY whistle I'm looking for. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9.4554243e.2fd226e2 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:34:26 EDT Subject: Re: lighting console advice - ganging channels for 16-bit resolution In a message dated 6/1/05 11:27:41 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com writes: << This isn't a matter of being old fashioned... You just missed the beginning of the thread. Very possible. I have been in France for a month, and my e-mail recovery needs to be read bottom-up, rather than top-down. Error is easy. By the way, lots of moving lights gang channels for hi-res control of various parameters. In a previous thread that you were part of, it was mentioned that some moving lights use 32 or even more DMX channels. It's true! >> I'm not surprised. This is the Windows programming style. Throw more memory requirements at your problems. I came into computers when 640 KB was the norm, for RAM, rather than 640 MB. This taught you economical programming. The attitude of mind has stuck with me. Don't get me wrong. I value Windows, if only for the common input/output drivers. Also, for the immense range of compatible software. I use it all the time. But occasionally, my engineering instincts take over, and I wonder if I should not take to Linux. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:35:12 -0400 From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Message-ID: <76978956.40F82788.007B9F2A [at] aol.com> Don't worry, Unkle. We're not supposed to know it all. If we did, there'd be no reason for this list. Think of all the fun you would have missed! Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:36:07 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Todd Whistle In-Reply-To: References:

When I was growing up in Kannaplois, NC, the local textile mill (Cannon Mills) has a steam whistle that blew every morning at 7:00am.=20 You could hear it for miles (I lived about 5 miles from the mill and I could hear it). Cannon Mills was purchased by Fieldcrest and became Fieldcrest Cannon in the 1980's. That was purchased by Pillowtex in 1997. Pillowtex closed the mill down around 2002 or 2003. I bet the old steam whistle is still there if you really want to search it out. However, it would deafening if you blew this thing inside a theatre. You might try http://www.whistleman.com/html to see if they can assist you. The web site discusses "types of whistles" and has a contact page. Good luck. -Delbert --=20 Delbert Hall Phone: 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Cc: steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org (Steve Jones) Subject: PLEASE NOTE MY EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE... Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:01:21 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre Message-ID: Dear friends... While it is subtle, my email address (and all of those for the Plaza Theatre) now end in the ".org" suffix and NOT the ".com" suffix. My new address is: steve.jones [at] glasgowplazatheatre.org The old ".com" addresses will stop working soon, so please update your address books! Thanks! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Message-ID: From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:22:55 -0400 Good advice if you have time to learn the way through the book and can handle teaching it to yourself. You need to brace legs/studwalls/posts/etc so that they cannot pivot at the top or bottom in order to insure rigidity. It also helps the actors confidence in the set if they don't feel it moving. Using steel for the posts means it can hold more weight (resist buckling), the crossbracing means it won't pivot/fall down/collapse. In my opinion 1x1 box tube is a little small for making 4x8 platforms. I usually use 16 ga 1x2 box tube on edge when making a steel framed unit. You still need to place joists/cross supports every two feet to support the plywood, regardless of what you are framing the unit with. 1x2 16 guage should be capable of handling your load with supports every four feet. I'm a little too busy to do the math right now, but when I'm sitting bored in techs this weekend I'll probably doublecheck. Chip Haas Technical Director Department of Theatre The University of North Carolina at Greensboro 336-334-3891 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0cd301c5688f$f58d3010$6401a8c0 [at] chris> From: "Chris Warner" References: Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:59:55 -0700 Well, Bill, could get out of the corner, and practice with Gas Welding again. My dad and I work with an ROP teacher that teachers machining, and metal fabrication, he starts all the welders with Stick welding, usually on a 6" square hunk of 3/8" steel plate. Most get the hang of stick welding pretty quickly, the big problem is getting the damn think to light off. Gas welding is EXPENSIVE not only slow. TIG is used alot by the custom auto industry to tack sheet metal in place before they run a hot big bead. Another issue to watch out with using TIG is that it concentrates the heat at the weld, and can actually weaken the metal (why most airplanes are not TIG welded), MIG is better because it does spread the heat better. YMMV. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sapsis" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I appreciate it. > > > > on 6/3/05 4:17 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg at stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com wrote: > > > That's OK, Bill; we'll still let you tie knots and stuff.... > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.0 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20050603163449.036de150 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:40:04 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Oxy not welding!? In-Reply-To: References: >Oxyacetylene is more like brazing, not welding. Sorry to disagree with a fellow Long Reach Long Rider, but oxyacetylene is real welding. There are thousands of rag and tube airplanes flying today with frames welded with oxyacetylene. And although it is easier to learn, MIG is not always the welder of choice. Unless MIG welds are "baked" they may contain too much hydrogen which, over time, can make the weld brittle--and for critical welds (aerospace, hot-rods, etc.) additional heat treatment may be necessary. The time it takes, and the additional heat generated by oxyacetylene welding in the metal surrounding the weld tends to relieve stresses and bake out the hydrogen, making for very sound welds. But the additional heat also increases distortion around the weld, so proper design is essential. I have made some beautiful welds in 1/4" steel plate using oxyacetylene, which were tested to destruction and merely bent the joint. Oxyacetylene is a bit old fashion, takes more time but is every bit as effective as MIG (even on aluminium). And oxyacetylene is way more portable when trying to repair that old John Deere tractor out in the north forty. Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director and Long Reach Long Rider School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Join us for the Long Ride to benefit Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050603170344.00b18040 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:03:44 From: CB Subject: Re: Another Stage Related Accident - similar but less tragic incident >a the "buddy system" is a good idea and works well in the theatre as well >as in the water! >b don't ever, ever, ever leave a line set that far out of weight! >c check by "feel" an "unknown" line set before unlocking, , , Ya fergot 'd'. 'D' may just save your life, too. For those of you that might try Mr. Kappel's wild ride, or Kieth's youthful error, I present 'd': " d If it runs, begins to run, you begin to run. Shouting 'HEADS!' or 'RUNAWAY!' (emphasis where you see fit) is far better than 'OH SHEET!', but any of them with wild eyes and the proper breaking of the voice (like a teenage boy experimenting with puberty and electricity) will suffice..." ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050603170824.00b18040 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:08:24 From: CB Subject: OT--varnish removal question > Any ideas how to remove >these spots that are annoying me so much? Telephone works wonders. First, call the landlord. If that doesn't work, call the landlord/tenent AHJ in your area. If that doesn't work, call another lanlord or rental agent. I've discovered over the years that a landlord that doesn't care about these things doesn't care about you at all, and its far better to find this out now, rather than wehn you've been out of water or heat for about five days. A lot easier to schedule the move if its over drips and sticky windows than it is over busted heater and the gas turned off. Or buy, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself (but the jobs'll be done RIGHT!) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050603171706.00b18040 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:17:06 From: CB Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms >I base my comments on mig -v- tig on my understanding that all the reputable >truss guys use tig for building their products, not mig. And they seem to >have their reasons. Is it because they make them out of aluminum, mostly? No, that was not smartass mode, it was soundguy mode. Really, I thought, for the first few years that I knew how to weld, thjat you couldn't weld aluminum without TIG, and the ONLY thing that you could do with TIG was weld aluminum. And I don't know why I thought that. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050603172520.00b18040 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:25:20 From: CB Subject: Re: re Dead Cat Soap >You tell me what the real world does. Well, its seems to be my job. You've never come right out and asked me before, maybe things ARE looking up. In the 'real world, pin three is never hot(positive), and pin two is. Pin one is ground the whole 'real' world 'round. Tips are NEVER ground in the real world, sleeves are. Always. DAMHIK,IJK. Tips are hot. Rings are not. Of course, if you have someone doing AC, they think that it doesn't matter which is hot coz the next millisecond it won't be, and then it will again. Getting it wrong on a kick drum channel can, and literally WILL, make your sound system suck. Shure FP-31. Pin two hot. Shure FP-32 (stereo version), pin three hot. Shure FP-32a, pin two hot. Shure FP-42, idunno, flip a coin I guess. The Fp-32's are listed as "Non AES Standard". Gotta laugh.... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Todd Whistle In-reply-to: Message-id: <3035.172.153.6.172.1117845269.squirrel [at] 172.153.6.172> References:

> --------------------------------------------------- > Yep, that's what I'm after. Trouble is, I don't happen to have one of > those laying around. IF I could find a steam whistle from some old > closed-down factory - and do so on a community theatre budget (Read: no > budget) could it be run on compressed air rather than steam? The scene shop at Theatre Virginia used to have one they rigged up. If memory serves, it was luan and hooked up to the compressor. They used it to signal break time. Not that it was a huge shop, you could whisper and they'd hear you on the far wall. But it was more fun to blow the whistle. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2011.207.201.197.45.1117845445.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms From: usctd [at] columbia.sc > Another issue to watch out with using TIG is that it concentrates the heat at the weld, and can actually weaken the metal (why most airplanes are not TIG welded), MIG is better because it does spread the heat better. I thought this was one reason why truss companies use TIG for truss making. Doesn't TIG allow much more control of the heat? Since aluminum heats up so quick and since you are welding around the entire piece of tube you want more control of the heat so you dont melt and destroy your joint. Yet you also want to ensure proper penetratio of the weld. Yes/no? -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050603173910.00b18040 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:39:10 From: CB Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms >why not learn all three? There is no such thing as too many job skills. Just something wrong with everyone knowing it. Once I helped a buddy out carping when he was in a jam. Last week, I was the head carp on the job. I recognised the set, I had built it. This week, I'm doing sound, but I kept getting pulled off the job. Why? The head carp knew that I had built this set as well, so I got all the questions. I've put down a mile of bead, easy, adn learned to Mig weld 18 ga. steel with butning (too many) holes, and I can fill a hole so that you can't tell I did. OK, so I do burn a buncha holes. I end up doing a buncha electrics, too, cause I learned a lot about lights through osmosis. I'm a sound guy Jim, not a carpenter! Anyhoo, make a few art projects. Find a guy with a MIG welder, buy a spool of wire and a tank of CO2, and dig into his scraps. Scult stuff. Let him know that you'll put in an hour of work for every hour he puts into showing you what you've done wrong, and how to do it right. Once you've put down a coupla hundred feet of bead, you'll be sticking metal together with the power of the gods. LISTEN to the weld as it goes down. I can tell when its time to change tips, when its time to clean and lube the tip, when I'm not getting enough gas, or just doing it wrong, by the different sounds it makes. Good MIG welds sound just like a Jacob's ladder. DZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT! (thanks Joe...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050604010040.57086.qmail [at] web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: OT--varnish removal question In-Reply-To: We've had the furnace go down three times in two years--twice over one Christmas/New Years. This is New England. Even when it was out last month, it was chilly. There is a hole in the roof and bats come in. Spots on the floor are small potatoes compared to the stuff this guy SAYS he's getting fixed. Oh, and when I did get him to send someone to open the painted shut windows, I wound up with chisel marks on frames that still wouldn't budge. Plus, the whole house vibrates, and the basement is mud with mushrooms. We live in the elbow of a river. Believe me, we WANT to buy. As soon as I have a long enough history at the job I finally found to get a bank to talk nicely to us, we will be in the market. The rental market is really tight in this area, especially when cats are involved. So I am fixing what I can, and dealing with the rest. But I reserve the right to bitch about it. :) Jacki --- CB wrote: > Telephone works wonders. First, call the landlord. > If that doesn't work, > call the landlord/tenent AHJ in your area. If that > doesn't work, call > another lanlord or rental agent. I've discovered > over the years that a > landlord that doesn't care about these things > doesn't care about you at > all, and its far better to find this out now, rather > than wehn you've been > out of water or heat for about five days. A lot > easier to schedule the move > if its over drips and sticky windows than it is over > busted heater and the gas turned off. > Or buy, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself > (but the jobs'll be > done RIGHT!) > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > OTR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:03:17 -0700 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Another Stage Related Accident - similar but less tragic incident In-Reply-To: References: I second that, and would extend it to any situation involving something heavy and potentially deadly - ie cases coming on or off the truck. Don't try to be a hero. No piece of gear is worth getting hurt over.=20 If you need help with something, don't be macho, ask for help. On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:03:44, CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > >a the "buddy system" is a good idea and works well in the theatre as w= ell > >as in the water! > >b don't ever, ever, ever leave a line set that far out of weight! > >c check by "feel" an "unknown" line set before unlocking, , , >=20 > Ya fergot 'd'. 'D' may just save your life, too. For those of you that > might try Mr. Kappel's wild ride, or Kieth's youthful error, I present 'd= ': > " d If it runs, begins to run, you begin to run. Shouting 'HEADS!' or > 'RUNAWAY!' (emphasis where you see fit) is far better than 'OH SHEET!', b= ut > any of them with wild eyes and the proper breaking of the voice (like a > teenage boy experimenting with puberty and electricity) will suffice..." >=20 >=20 --=20 Mat Goebel Audio Engineer / Sound Designer www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: Another Stage Related Accident - similar but less tragic incident Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:36:03 -0400 On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Mat Goebel wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I second that, and would extend it to any situation involving > something heavy and potentially deadly - ie cases coming on or off the > truck. > > Don't try to be a hero. No piece of gear is worth getting hurt over. > > If you need help with something, don't be macho, ask for help. Back in the days of touring rock-n-roll, I learned the saying early- "Only Heroes get Hernias" I have let that be a guiding mantra to many things. g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A11775.C2E3172C [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:52:38 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms References: Seth Richardson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Thursday, June 2, 2005, at 04:53 PM, Secore, Scott wrote: > > > >> Welder's Handbook by Richard Finch. Pretty good book for beginners. > > Or Shell out couple of more dollars and get a copy of Modern Welding > (9th ed.) Great book Textbook for high school/technical school > students. Covers theory, fundamentals, and basic processes. Plus it's > 700+ pages (Don't worry it has photo's.) compared to 176 pages. > > Let me put this ad in for SAFETY. ALWAYS Use all of the Personal > Protective Equipment suggested, including long sleeves, proper gloves > (Leather) and Masks. I think my personal favor was watching my welding > teacher set his glove and sleeve on fire. Don't worry he was OK. IN the blooper reels from junkyard wars, the contestants setting each other on fire when welding on their project is a common theme. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0cfc01c568b1$02305830$6401a8c0 [at] chris> From: "Chris Warner" References:

Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:56:30 -0700 There isn't the same vibration force as on an airplane. TIG does control heat better, but again the heat is concentrated in a relatively small plane, the biggest example I can think of is a friend who worked on the racer assist crews on the big offroad races, tells a story about dune buggy frames coming with cracked frames that cracked at the welds. YMMV. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Another issue to watch out with using TIG is that it concentrates the > heat at the weld, and can actually weaken the metal (why most airplanes > are not TIG welded), MIG is better because it does spread the heat > better. > > I thought this was one reason why truss companies use TIG for truss > making. Doesn't TIG allow much more control of the heat? Since aluminum > heats up so quick and since you are welding around the entire piece of > tube you want more control of the heat so you dont melt and destroy your > joint. Yet you also want to ensure proper penetratio of the weld. > > Yes/no? > > -- > Eric Rouse > TD-University of SC, Columbia > Freelance Foyboy > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.0 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.0 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A11868.B324CB8D [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:56:40 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms References:

Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 08:54 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: > >On or about Thu, 02 Jun 2005, Jerry Durand allegedly wrote: > > > > > >She (his wife) also used a forge and > >showed me how to pound hot steel. :) > > > > > >Geez, some guys have ALL the fun. > > When I bought her a nice table saw for Christmas, everyone thought it was > for me. I actually HAVE used it a couple of times. She lets me operate > the larger hand-held power tools (reciprocating saw, circular saw) since > they're hard for her to hold (small hands). She also only rarely uses the > milling machine. > > We get along fine, we met when I was working for her (she was TD, I did > special effects), she now owns 51% of our company. :) Couple years ago my dad bought a bandsaw for his garage workshop. All we need to do to get it working is to raise the ceiling to 15 feet and get in a three phase feed. Maybe next year. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4153.64.28.62.102.1115175789.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Oxy not welding!? From: "Bill Nelson" > >Oxyacetylene is more like brazing, not welding. > > Sorry to disagree with a fellow Long Reach Long Rider, but oxyacetylene is > real welding. It can do either. I don't know if it is a proper differentiation between the two, but I was taught that you weld when the filler rod (if used) is of the same metal as the items to be fastened - and braze when the filler rod is of a different material. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4154.64.28.62.102.1115175794.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Oxy not welding!? From: "Bill Nelson" > >Oxyacetylene is more like brazing, not welding. > > Sorry to disagree with a fellow Long Reach Long Rider, but oxyacetylene is > real welding. It can do either. I don't know if it is a proper differentiation between the two, but I was taught that you weld when the filler rod (if used) is of the same metal as the items to be fastened - and braze when the filler rod is of a different material. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:19:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6969A167-D4A7-11D9-9A50-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net> On Friday, June 3, 2005, at 09:05 AM, Al Fitch wrote: > I'm looking for a new Macintosh that will be big > enough and fast enough to run VectorWorks or CAD (I > heard in my CAD I class there might be a possibility > of that coming back to or to the Mac again) and a > sound editing program like Peak4 and have wireless > capabilities. > You don't need a Dual 2.7GHz PowerPC G5 or the 17" 1.67GHz PowerPC G4. > What are some of the best sources for this if I > qualify for an educational discount (which I do)? Who is Eligible To Purchase The following education individuals are eligible to purchase through the Apple Store for Education individuals: Faculty or staff member of a public or private Higher Education Institution in the United States Student currently attending or accepted into a public or private Higher Education Institution in the United States Qualifying purchases per academic school year (July 1 - June 30): Power Mac, iMac, eMac, PowerBook, or iBook - One per year Printers - One per year Displays - Two per year Software - Two per year If you don't qualify for a educational discount check out the Apple Certified Refurbished Products my friend who got a Ibook cheaper refurbished with applecare then from the apple educational store. > I'm aware that I will be paying a couple of grand for > one after all is said and done. > For a mobile package I would go with a 12" 1.5GHz 768MB SuperDrive W/ a 20" cinema display and Applecare for $2,505.00Edu or 2,922.00Reg For a Regular Desktop I would go with a Mac Mini 1.42 W/ Bluetooth/Airport, 1GB, Superdrive, Wireless keyboard, mouse and a 20" cinema display for 1857.00EDU or 2070.00Reg You could go with a Imac G5 20" for the same price but with the mini you could upgrade to a G5 Tower and add a 2nd Display very easily. Seth Richardson PS: you can run VectorWorks 11 on a 300Mhz G3 with 288MB ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A121C4.44E5451E [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:36:36 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Todd Whistle References: Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle like > >> this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? > > > > Think LOUD indoors! It's been a while since I've seen ST, but I thing > > these were the standard steam-powered whistles that sat on top of the > > building. I remember them from when I lived in NJ (1956 to 1968). > > > Yep, that's what I'm after. Trouble is, I don't happen to have one of > those laying around. IF I could find a steam whistle from some old > closed-down factory - and do so on a community theatre budget (Read: no > budget) could it be run on compressed air rather than steam? > Runs just fine on compressed air. Tone may be different though. Problem is getting the desired sound out without deafening everyone. Real factory whistles were intended to be heard through the walls and over the noise of the operating equipment. Lots of dB. > > Any ideas as to getting my hands on such a beast? Is there a way I might > be able to build such a whistle? Am I better off just going with a recording > even though I'd prefer not to? One thing you may try is one of those wooden 'train whistle' toys they sell in model railroad stores. They have two, three, or four separate whistles that you can blow through at once to produce a really nice multi-tone sound, that you just amplify with your existing sound system. Have one of the actors with a body mike do the blowing offstage. Do have a spare handy, as this thing will grow legs near anyone who has a kid. --Dale ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Todd Whistle Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:37:11 -0400 On Jun 3, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Bruce Purdy wrote: > We are launching a production of Sweeney Todd. A key element is of > course, the factory whistle. I'd like, if possible, to use a real > whistle > rather than a recording. I've seen other productions that used a > recording > and it never came close to the impact I felt when I saw the show on > Broadway > years ago. > > Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle > like > this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? > Hi Bruce, Contact Le Hook at Alabama Shakespeare Festival. They have a very cool whistle that sounds like a steam whistle, runs off the compressed air in the shop, and is therefore adjustable as needed. Of all the neat stuff in their shop (and there is lots to drool over), that's one of the neatest. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: Message-ID: <4e4a27f030fee626.30fee6264e4a27f0 [at] caribsurf.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:37:14 -0400 Subject: unsubscribe ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #417 *****************************