Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22869178; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:00:28 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #418 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:00:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #418 1. Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Al Fitch 2. Re: Can you hear me now? by Loren Schreiber 3. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Seth Richardson 4. Re: Can you hear me now? by usctd [at] columbia.sc 5. Re: Can you hear me now? by IAEG [at] aol.com 6. Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts by Jerry Durand 7. Re: Todd Whistle by Michael Powers 8. Re: Oxy not welding!? by Michael Powers 9. Shiny People on Mythbusters by murr rhame 10. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 11. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 13. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 14. Speaking of Macs... by Boyd Ostroff 15. Re: Speaking of Macs... by IAEG [at] aol.com 16. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Tony Deeming" 17. RE Todd Whistle by "Alf Sauve" 18. Re: RE Todd Whistle by Bill Sapsis 19. Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT by "Paul H. Sullivan" 20. directions for NY city by David Wetmore 21. Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT by MissWisc [at] aol.com 22. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by CB 23. Re: wookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by CB 24. Re: OT--varnish removal question by CB 25. Re: directions for NY city by Brian Munroe 26. Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms by Dale Farmer 27. Re: RE Todd Whistle by "Occy" 28. Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20050604112144.23698.qmail [at] web51403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 04:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Fitch Subject: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts In-Reply-To: You could go with a Imac G5 20" for the same price but with the mini you could upgrade to a G5 Tower and add a 2nd Display very easily. Seth Richardson Seth: I don't follow your logic of owning a Mini and upgrading to the G5 Tower. Al Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20050604083414.028838c0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:40:31 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Can you hear me now? In-Reply-To: References: Ladies and Gents (especially those starting out), Just got back from a biennial physical and happy to report that the doctor says I have the body of a low-risk 52 year-old, which is cool 'cause I'm 53. However, I have SIGNIFICANT hearing loss in both ears, but only in the 4KHZ range. Hmmmm . . . now I'm just guessing, but do you suppose those power tools I've listened to for the last 35 years might sing in that range? Of course I wear hearing protection now, but the horse has already left the barn. Shoulda listened . . . (pun intended). Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director and Long Reach Long Rider School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:04:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5392EED2-D512-11D9-968F-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net> On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 07:21 AM, Al Fitch wrote: > > I don't follow your logic of owning a Mini and > upgrading to the G5 Tower. > Al, Well think it was it's a lot less but no it's only 1200 or 2000 more. If this is you first mac it's a bit cheaper. (Not everyone likes there Mac most do But...) Most money to apple is LCD Cinema Display but there so nice but if you have you own Display your happy with. It is really cheap to switch to Apple. Seth Richardson ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1667.65.184.112.59.1117902134.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Can you hear me now? From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Good advice. I am 35 and have loss in my right ear from I am assuming the same thing. I checked it out at the school clinic rather informaly after talking with a friend about it at USITT. I should check it out for real sometime soon. I have just started being really good about hearing protection in the last couple of years. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ladies and Gents (especially those starting out), > > Just got back from a biennial physical and happy to report that the doctor > says I have the body of a low-risk 52 year-old, which is cool 'cause I'm > 53. > > However, I have SIGNIFICANT hearing loss in both ears, but only in the > 4KHZ > range. Hmmmm . . . now I'm just guessing, but do you suppose those power > tools I've listened to for the last 35 years might sing in that range? Of > course I wear hearing protection now, but the horse has already left the > barn. Shoulda listened . . . (pun intended). > > > Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director and Long Reach Long Rider > School of Theatre, Television and Film > San Diego State University > > > ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:27:38 EDT Subject: Re: Can you hear me now? In a message dated 6/4/05 12:22:55 PM, usctd [at] columbia.sc writes: << Good advice. I am 35 and have loss in my right ear from I am assuming the same thing. I checked it out at the school clinic rather informaly after talking with a friend about it at USITT. I should check it out for real sometime soon. I have just started being really good about hearing protection in the last couple of years. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy >> interestingly though, , , I played R & R in almost every sleezy bar, and some concert stages in the SE in the mid 70's, , and needless to say have been around my fair share of concerts, I'm 51 last time I had my hearing checked I passed with flying colours, , and couldn't understand why they stop at about 16 k, , , I had them keep going and I was fine up through 22 k of course it used to drive me crazy when I walked past jewelry shops with high frequency alarm systems as it seemed I was the only one who could hear them very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050604094034.029ec278 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 09:42:31 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Best Source for Macintosh w/Educational Discounts In-Reply-To: References:

At 04:21 AM 6/4/2005, you wrote: >I don't follow your logic of owning a Mini and >upgrading to the G5 Tower. I'm running a mini for our server (mail, and most of the web pages) and the only way I could think of to make it a tower is to stick it in an empty tower case. Had a friend who used to have his own ISP come by, he was shocked to see how mini the mini is , "That's your web server?" :) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f050604095234ba1194 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:52:15 -0400 From: Michael Powers Reply-To: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Todd Whistle Bruce Purdy writes: << ..... Sweeney Todd ....... the factory whistle.......... Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle like this? Has anybody done it? .... >> Bruce, If you have access to the USITT Tech expo catalogue for 2003, there is one there with info on "how-to". Michael Michael Powers 413-863-4376 home 413-522-3036 cell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0506041127540a9963 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:27:56 -0400 From: Michael Powers Reply-To: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Oxy not welding!? "Bill Nelson" writes: << .... but I was taught that you weld when the filler rod (if used) is of the same metal as the items to be fastened - and braze when the filler rod is of a different material. >> Bill, The difference between welding and brazing (which includes soldering and silver soldering) is that in welding, the parent material (the things you are joining), actually become molten at the weld site. In brazing, the parent metal is only heated enough to melt the joining material, allowing the joining material to flow to any area sufficiently heated, including voids, lapped joints and between the inner and outer surfaces of mating tubes. The joining material then forms a chemical bond with the parent metal. Brazing is basicly very high temperature soldering or soldering is very low temperature brazing. Silver solder falls in the middle. In welding, filler rod may or may not be the same alloy as the parent metal although it will be the same family, i.e. iron/steel for iron and steel; copper,brass, bronze, zinc, tin for that group and aluminum for aluminum. The filler rod used depends on what the parent metals are and the desired characteristics of the finished weld. There are many more esoteric combinations of parent metal/filler for specific purposes far beyond my knowledge. Brazing can be stronger than welding in certain circumstances. Remember back when bicycle frames were still all steel tube? Brazed frames were stronger and lighter than welded frames. The reason was that in welded frames the tubes were joined directly to one another.=20 The welding process concentrated the heat just at the joint and required heavier tubing to make a strong joint without burning through. The brazed frames were joined with "fittings" similar to plumbing "els" and "tees" etc. In the brazed joint, the entire mating surface of the tube and fitting were the fastened joint, making a joint with as much as 50 times the joined surface area. Also the brazing process allowed the use of stiffer, lighter and thinner walled tubing. Today of course, metal for anything but a low end bike is unheard of. Hope that clears up the difference for you. --=20 Michael Michael Powers 413-863-4376 home 413-522-3036 cell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: murr rhame Subject: Shiny People on Mythbusters Message-ID: The Mythbusters show on the Discovery Channel is doing a season rerun today. They revisited a couple of metallic makeup myths, this time painting one of the assistants silver. Last season, they painted Jamie gold, using powdered brass (bronzing powder) mixed with latex... Latex was a very poor choice for a binder. Latex sets airtight and many people are allergic to latex. Jamie had to cut the experiment short when he had an odd reaction. I suspect some sort of allergic reaction to the latex was to blame. The tin man legend, mentioned on Mythbusters, isn't a myth. Buddy Ebsen was originally cast as the tin man in the Wizard of OZ movie. They used loose powdered aluminum for his silver tin man makeup. Buddy inhaled so much aluminum powder. It coated his lungs and made him very ill. He ended up in the hospital for weeks. For the movie, they switched to an aluminum paste for the replacement tin man. With a paste makeup, there's no dust in the air. The Mythbusters didn't mention the formula for their silver paste on the show. I'm pretty sure the binder they used was plain glycerin. Glycerin is non-toxic and water soluble. It's very easy to wash off. You can sweat through a coating of glycerin... The only down side is that it rubs off very easily. Anything the performer touches will be smudged. About 30 years ago, I help create a gold makeup effect for a living statue of Buddha in a production of the King and I. We used glycerin mixed with gold colored metallic bronzing powder to produce the makeup. This was done long before products had Material Data Safety Sheets... I didn't know what exactly was in the bronzing powder or if it would be harmful to apply it to the performer's hair and a large area of his skin. I called the National Poison Control Center in Atlanta and asked them to sort it out. The poison control center folks called the bronzing powder manufacturer and got the contents of the powder... I'm sure this was a more interesting problem for them than the typical panic call from a parent who's kid just drank a bottle of shoe polish... After doing a little research, they called back and said the glycerin and bronzing powder paste shouldn't be a problem. They suggested a coat of plain glycerin before applying the golden goo. Other than having a touch of green tarnish in the arm pits, the actor who played to Buddha survived unscathed. I used the same bronzing powder mixed with latex to paint some of the set and props. Mixing your own metallic pigments with a water based binder is the only way I know of to get an inexpensive water based metallic paint. - murr - ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:17:17 EDT Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par In a message dated 6/3/05 2:30:12 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << > Here I go again. WHY is everyone so enthusiastic about PAR > lanterns, of > whatever sort. For the same reason we use profiles, Fresnels, and, for that matter, colour -- it's an available tool, and it's a poor artist who arbitrarily rules out the use of available tools in situations in which the use of those tools is appropriate. >> Certainly. You use the tools you have available. But there seems, to me, to be an unreasonable enthusiasm for the PAR when there are better tools available, and more versatile ones. I use them myself, when I think that they are the right tool for the job I want to do. But they are not a universal panacea. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <54.45987553.2fd3745b [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms In a message dated 6/3/05 5:30:54 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, shawn.palmer [at] sbcglobal.net writes: << Erm? "Psuedo-structural?" You can have "cold" welds using MIG, TIG or "stick" welding. TIG leaves the best looking weld, and is easy to use on aluminum, easy being a relative term. >> I agree with the query on "Pseudo-structural". Either a weld is strong enough to do its job, or it isn't. But what do we mean by a weld? To me, in implies heating the weld area to melting point of the base material, and adding a suitable filler which will alloy with this to make a strong joint. That is the real basics. We are looking at temperatures of 1,800C here, for steel, and this brings in another problem. Oxidation of the surfaces. This is one reason why there are so many different methods, as they all use different techniques to prevent this. Prrimitive arc welding uses a coating on the rod of weld metal, which decomposes to blanket the weld area in an oxygen-free zone. The oxy-acetylene flame can be adjusted to provide a similar effect with a slight excess of acetylene in the flame. The various IG methods blanket the weld area with inert gases. They all need some degree of expertise and training. Remember that for many years, ocean-going ships were welded together. We're talking about butt-welding inch or more thick steel plates togther here, which is more than a theatrical environment usually needs. Aluminium is different. While the temperatures are lower, about 600C, the metal has a strong oxide layer, which accounts for its corrosion resistance. This needs to be destroyed to make a sound weld. Brazing is different again. It is similar in principle to soft soldering, which most of us do. Only the temperatures and alloys are different. The essential here is that the solder material will "wet" both the surfaces to be joined, and, of course the prevention of oxidation. When I learned to braze, borax was the standard flux: modern soft solders use various resins. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.3505a55c.2fd3745f [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:17:19 EDT Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par In a message dated 6/3/05 3:32:32 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: << I think there's a tendency over here at least to get away from the PAR64 style instrument for most houses; but they are still one of the big picks for concert tours and outdoor shows. Then you're really talking about painting big areas... >> Yes, they are, and they are probably the right choice. I am always talking about straight plays. I shouldn't know where to start on a rock concert. That'[s why I prefer smaller paintbrushes. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:17:20 EDT Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par In a message dated 6/3/05 7:08:02 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes: << Do you never use any type of "Flood" lighting such as what we call scoops or the good old Olivette? >> Since you ask, the answer is: "No, never" At least, not other than on the cyclorama. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Speaking of Macs... Message-ID: There may soon be an "Intel Inside." I just checked my calendar and it doesn't say April 1... According to cnet: http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?part=rss&tag=5731398&subj=news ------------------------------------- Apple Computer plans to announce Monday that it's scrapping its partnership with IBM and switching its computers to Intel's microprocessors, CNET News.com has learned. Apple has used IBM's PowerPC processors since 1994, but will begin a phased transition to Intel's chips, sources familiar with the situation said. Apple plans to move lower-end computers such as the Mac Mini to Intel chips in mid-2006 and higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007, sources said. -------------------------------------- | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.3dda7ff9.2fd39c6d [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:08:13 EDT Subject: Re: Speaking of Macs... In a message dated 6/4/05 6:31:07 PM, ostroff [at] operaphilly.com writes: << For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- There may soon be an "Intel Inside." I just checked my calendar and it doesn't say April 1... According to cnet: http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-57 31398.html?part=rss&tag=5731398&subj=news ------------------------------------- Apple Computer plans to announce Monday that it's scrapping its partnership with IBM and switching its computers to Intel's microprocessors, CNET News.com has learned. Apple has used IBM's PowerPC processors since 1994, but will begin a phased transition to Intel's chips, sources familiar with the situation said. Apple plans to move lower-end computers such as the Mac Mini to Intel chips in mid-2006 and higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007, sources said. -------------------------------------- | Boyd Ostroff >> there was a leak on NPR and some of the various national Biz reports last week that APPLE and INTEL were in discussions, , , and it caused a blip in the stocks of both, , looks like it's going to happen, , , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 01:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: 04 June 2005 22:17 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 6/3/05 2:30:12 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << > Here I go again. WHY is everyone so enthusiastic about PAR > lanterns, of > whatever sort. For the same reason we use profiles, Fresnels, and, for that matter, colour -- it's an available tool, and it's a poor artist who arbitrarily rules out the use of available tools in situations in which the use of those tools is appropriate. >> Certainly. You use the tools you have available. But there seems, to me, to be an unreasonable enthusiasm for the PAR when there are better tools available, and more versatile ones. I use them myself, when I think that they are the right tool for the job I want to do. But they are not a universal panacea. BUT Frank, this is why you so often find yourself in the firing line. Few people lighting a straight play, as you do, would consider a huge rig of par cans, if any. And if they did, it would likely be as a special, or maybe as part of a wash. BUT you keep forgetting that there is a whole world of theatre out there that you aren't and won't be a part of, and for SOME of their shows/events, the par can is an absolute top-line solution. It's not just rock shows, but dance shows, pantomimes, and much more. In my venue, for example, straight plays are very much in the minority on the very full programme. BUT there are 8 in the standard rig (4 each side on drop bars) which can and are used as side lights where necessary and to VERY good effect on a variety of occasions. Use a tool where you need a tool. Simple. If the tool you have in your hand won't do the job in front of you, go to the box and get a different tool. Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <068701c5696d$74c02b70$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" Subject: RE Todd Whistle Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:25:26 -0400 Bruce, I researched this for a production of Anything Goes. Of course, I was after a slightly deeper sound of a boat's steam whistle, but the principle is the same. I was what you might call, whistle challenged. For the life of me I could never make a whistle. I followed the Boy Scout handbook religiously, but never was able to figure them out. For my boat whistle, I had in mind of borrowing a Calliope pipe and running it off of compressed air. As luck would have it, (bad luck) none of the local Calliope owners had any extra pipes. Finally one organ officiando explained in a way I could understand, how whistles work. The light bulb went on and I spent a month making whistles of every size and shape. Enough of my problems, here's what I did for the show. First I made a whistle (actually a pair tuned roughly a major 3rd a part). I made them out of PVC which isn't recommend for compressed air, but it's easy enough to make them out of steel pipe. I hooked the pair to supply line and hung them in the fly just above the set for the deck of the ship. I use a CO2 bottle with a regulator and fed the whistles with about 25PSI. Not only did it sound great but the "steam" blew down from the fly just like it might on a ship. [Humor note: During one dress rehearsal, I let go with far too much pressure and the CO2 created a wind storm on the set. All the dancers' skirts were blown up around their necks. Great scream. I lost big bucks because I refused to do it for closing night.] If you want construction details on the pipe itself, I'll have to draw some pictures. Basically, you cut a notch, like you see in an organ pipe. Then you put a plug in the tube below the notch that is flat on one side. You're trying to create a flat stream of air aimed at the upper lip of the notch. The secret is that the air stream blowing over the notch creates a low pressure area inside the pipe which bends the airstream into the pipe. That of course destroys the vacuum and the air stream returns to its original path. Oscillation occurs, noise is made and everyone is happy. Roughly speaking, middle C on the piano requires a pipe 2 foot long with a cap on the end. Half that for every octave you want to go higher. Alf Storyteller Joyful (and sometimes loud) Noise Maker ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Purdy" > To: "Stagecraft" > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 4:36 PM > Subject: Todd Whistle > > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Thank you for your feedback on my Star*par/S4 Par questions. >> Especially >> Jeff. That was the type of info I wanted. >> >> And now for something completely different: >> >> We are launching a production of Sweeney Todd. A key element is of >> course, the factory whistle. I'd like, if possible, to use a real whistle >> rather than a recording. I've seen other productions that used a >> recording >> and it never came close to the impact I felt when I saw the show on >> Broadway >> years ago. >> >> Any ideas where I can come up with (or build?) a working whistle like >> this? Has anybody done it? Or am I out of my mind? >> >> Bruce >> -- >> Bruce Purdy >> Technical Director >> Smith Opera House >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:46:19 -0400 Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks Alf for the info and proving once again what an invaluable resource this list is. Not only do I now know why I was oxy welding deficient, but now I can make a whistle. For the record, I worked in a number of the Broadway shops during my formative years. Always in the metal shop. I had only one weld break. A small hold down tab on the set for Mack & Mabel. I never heard the end of it and I never made that mistake again. It was all stick welding, by the way. But we never got into Oxy welding. No time for that. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/4/05 9:25 PM, Alf Sauve at alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bruce, > > I researched this for a production of Anything Goes. Of course, I was > after > a slightly deeper sound of a boat's steam whistle, but the principle is the > same. > > I was what you might call, whistle challenged. <> > If you want construction details on the pipe itself, I'll have to draw some > pictures. Basically, you cut a notch, like you see in an organ pipe. > Then > you put a plug in the tube below the notch that is flat on one side. > You're > trying to create a flat stream of air aimed at the upper lip of the notch. > The secret is that the air stream blowing over the notch creates a low > pressure area inside the pipe which bends the airstream into the pipe. > That > of course destroys the vacuum and the air stream returns to its original > path. Oscillation occurs, noise is made and everyone is happy. > > Roughly speaking, middle C on the piano requires a pipe 2 foot long with a > cap on the end. Half that for every octave you want to go higher. > > Alf > Storyteller > Joyful (and sometimes loud) Noise Maker > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050604221445.027bf7d8 [at] pop.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:19:43 -0400 From: "Paul H. Sullivan" Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT In-Reply-To: References: While researching the construction of Organ Pipes a few weeks ago I came upon a patent for a unique musical instrument, my only question is Why? BTW it was cross referenced in an ask jeeves search on organ pipe contruction United States Patent 5163447 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5163447.html Paul H. Sullivan Production Manager Times Union Center for the Performing Arts Jacksonville FL 32202 (904) 633-6192 (904) 633-6190 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16287574.1117938362682.JavaMail.davidfitwe [at] mac.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:26:02 -0700 From: David Wetmore Subject: directions for NY city Hello Everyone, I have a few questions for they NY city folks. First the easy question. I need to get direction from NJ to Mutual Hardware. In other words, we take light rail to PATH, from this point we need a little direction. also How long this would take would be very helpfull. Second. Is their a place like barbazon, only for Sound guys. Example, large showroom, tool, specialty tools, or just your favorite place to get sound gear. Many Thanks David Wetmore Voyager of the Seas. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:13:08 -0400 From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT Message-ID: <51191BA8.33312072.007B9F2A [at] aol.com> Why??? Here's the inventor's reasoning: "OBJECTS AND ADVANTAGES OF THE INVENTION It is therefore an object of the invention to provide a condom which users will like to use. Other objects are to provide a condom which provides amusement, which will not interfere with coitus, which has value as a fun gift, which can incorporate musical compositions of the user's choice according to the occasion, and which has a commercial value by being amusing, entertaining, unusual, and capable of producing a surprise effect. " I.e. it's a "marital aid". Something to spice up your sex life. Anyone care to predect what tunes might be available? ;) The Stripper? Kristi P.S. For those of you who are having trouble sending emails to the list because you're on AOL... get onto your AOL the regular way then open www.aol.ca (Canada's AOL site) in the browser and click on Mail. It opens your mail box within a web page and you CAN send to the list that way. You may need to re-enter your screen name and password, but it will work! :) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050604221438.00aeecf0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:14:38 From: CB Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms OK, OK, so there are a lot of experienced welders out there. If I have a small, portable compressor, and have worn a scratch into the back of the tank (you know, the part that drags whenm you lift the front, right behind and between the wheels). Can I just take the MIG welder and slap a bead onto the tiny leak, or have I just compromised the entire tank. I am a fairly respectable MIG welder, nothing fancy, but nothing I've built has fallen apart (knoeck wood) and I've welded things that folk dance on. No re-entry (or exit) vehicular welding, but standard theatrical stuff. Any thoughts? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050604221846.00aeecf0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:18:46 From: CB Subject: Re: wookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms >My name is Stephen and I'm a Star Wars geek. Hi Stephan.... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050604222830.00aeecf0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:28:30 From: CB Subject: Re: OT--varnish removal question > But I reserve >the right to bitch about it. :) Well, you ARE a stagehand, aren't you? Its one of the perks! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 01:32:21 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: directions for NY city In-Reply-To: References: On 6/4/05, David Wetmore wrote: =20 > First the easy question. I need to get direction from NJ to Mutual Hardw= are. In other words, we take light rail to PATH, from this point we need a= little direction. also How long this would take would be very helpfull. Take PATH to the 33rd Street Station in NYC. At 33rd Street Station, Transfer to the "F" line subway towards uptown/Queens. Get off at 21st Street. That is the first station after you leave Manhattan and enter Queens. I would guess about 15 minutes on the subway. You can walk to Mutual by heading north on 21st Street and make a left on 37th Avenue. It takes approximately 10 to 15 minutes to walk (from Mutuals website). > Second. Is their a place like barbazon, only for Sound guys. Example, l= arge showroom, tool, specialty tools, or just your favorite place to get so= und gear. Not a sound guy myself, but Manny's Music, 48th Street, between 6th and 7th in Manhattan, seems to have a large selection of gear on display. Good Luck shopping. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A29110.8892D96 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:43:44 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms References: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, OK, so there are a lot of experienced welders out there. If I have a > small, portable compressor, and have worn a scratch into the back of the > tank (you know, the part that drags whenm you lift the front, right behind > and between the wheels). Can I just take the MIG welder and slap a bead > onto the tiny leak, or have I just compromised the entire tank. > I am a fairly respectable MIG welder, nothing fancy, but nothing I've built > has fallen apart (knoeck wood) and I've welded things that folk dance on. > No re-entry (or exit) vehicular welding, but standard theatrical stuff. > Any thoughts? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > OTR The question depends on a couple of things. How high a pressure you put in the tank and how good a welder you are. An air tank you are maxing out at 150 psi versus the air tank you are putting in 3000 psi? For the former, you could probably just fix it with a little JBweld even easier than actually welding it. For the latter case, toss it. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: alf.sauve [at] mindspring.com (Alf Sauve) References: Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:37:33 -0700 Alf, So your telling me that I can take any object may it be round, square or any other sided. Cut a notch some place in the object notch being roughly flat on the bottom and say 60 degrees up to the out side of the object and the flat cut is about 1/4 if the in diameter of the conduit that's going to flow the air and cap the top of the object and cap the object and stuff a another plug in the bottom with a hole to inject air and I get a power whistle? Isn't the suppose to be some kind of angle facing the hole on the conduit on the bottom plug where the air is inserted? I have never recall a pipe organ with a seeable cap maybe it was just hidden for looks, and thinking of it I do remember steam locomotives of the 60's having a nice very shinny brass top on the whistles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alf Sauve" > Bruce, > > I researched this for a production of Anything Goes. Of course, I was > after > a slightly deeper sound of a boat's steam whistle, but the principle is > the > same. > > I was what you might call, whistle challenged. For the life of me I > could > never make a whistle. I followed the Boy Scout handbook religiously, > but > never was able to figure them out. For my boat whistle, I had in mind > of > borrowing a Calliope pipe and running it off of compressed air. As luck > would have it, (bad luck) none of the local Calliope owners had any extra > pipes. Finally one organ officiando explained in a way I could > understand, > how whistles work. The light bulb went on and I spent a month making > whistles of every size and shape. Enough of my problems, here's what I > did > for the show. > > First I made a whistle (actually a pair tuned roughly a major 3rd a > part). > I made them out of PVC which isn't recommend for compressed air, but it's > easy enough to make them out of steel pipe. I hooked the pair to > supply > line and hung them in the fly just above the set for the deck of the > ship. > I use a CO2 bottle with a regulator and fed the whistles with about > 25PSI. > Not only did it sound great but the "steam" blew down from the fly just > like it might on a ship. [Humor note: During one dress rehearsal, I > let > go with far too much pressure and the CO2 created a wind storm on the > set. > All the dancers' skirts were blown up around their necks. Great scream. > I > lost big bucks because I refused to do it for closing night.] > > If you want construction details on the pipe itself, I'll have to draw > some > pictures. Basically, you cut a notch, like you see in an organ pipe. > Then > you put a plug in the tube below the notch that is flat on one side. > You're > trying to create a flat stream of air aimed at the upper lip of the > notch. > The secret is that the air stream blowing over the notch creates a low > pressure area inside the pipe which bends the airstream into the pipe. > That > of course destroys the vacuum and the air stream returns to its original > path. Oscillation occurs, noise is made and everyone is happy. > > Roughly speaking, middle C on the piano requires a pipe 2 foot long with > a > cap on the end. Half that for every octave you want to go higher. > > Alf > Storyteller > Joyful (and sometimes loud) Noise Maker > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:08:33 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: 05 June 2005 04:13 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Why??? Here's the inventor's reasoning: "OBJECTS AND ADVANTAGES OF THE INVENTION It is therefore an object of the invention to provide a condom which users will like to use. Other objects are to provide a condom which provides amusement, which will not interfere with coitus, which has value as a fun gift, which can incorporate musical compositions of the user's choice according to the occasion, and which has a commercial value by being amusing, entertaining, unusual, and capable of producing a surprise effect. " I.e. it's a "marital aid". Something to spice up your sex life. Anyone care to predect what tunes might be available? ;) The Stripper? Kristi Hmmm...? Sorry??? I fell asleep after the first paragraph of explanatory notes so I didn't get that far....!!! Ynot 8-))))))))))))) ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #418 *****************************