Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22890888; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 03:01:52 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #419 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 03:01:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #419 1. Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh by Al Fitch 2. Re: directions for NY city by Scott Parker 3. AOL workaround by LITETROL [at] aol.com 4. Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh by Steve Larson 5. Re: Soldering Iron Fog Machine by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: Soldering Iron Fog Machine by Dale Farmer 7. Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT by Stephen Litterst 8. [Fwd: Re: AOL workaround] by Stephen Litterst 9. Re: Soldering Iron Fog Machine by Matt DeLong 10. Re: Can you hear me now? by CB 11. Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT by CB 12. Welding and air tank (was:Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel p by CB 13. Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh by Boyd Ostroff 14. Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh by Steve Larson 15. Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh by Boyd Ostroff 16. Re: re Dead Cat Soap by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. Re: AOL workaround by "Noah Price" 18. RE Todd Whistle by Bruce Purdy 19. Web server change by Jerry Durand 20. Multi core cable life expectancy by "James, Brian" 21. Re: Web server change by Boyd Ostroff 22. Re: Web server change by "James, Brian" 23. Re: Web server change by Jerry Durand 24. Re: Web server change by Delbert Hall 25. Re: Web server change by Boyd Ostroff 26. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by "Bill Nelson" 27. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by Dale Farmer 28. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by "James, Brian" 29. Re: Organ Pipes by "Alf Sauve" 30. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by Dale Farmer 31. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by Bruce Purdy 32. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by "James, Brian" 33. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by "James, Brian" 34. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy/Still curious by "James, Brian" 35. Mysterious RDS luminaire by Andy Ciddor *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20050605115831.42771.qmail [at] web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 04:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Fitch Subject: RE: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh In-Reply-To: How does this machine sound for what I want to do (VectorWorks and Sound Editing and possibly Final Cut Pro)? You can reply off list if you think this is not appropriate for the list to be listening to. Would 1200.00 be a steal of a deal for it? I was thinking I could get a large LCD display for home use and have the portability of the Notebook.: 1.33 GHZ PowerPC G4 processor, 512K level 2 cache, 60 GB hard drive, 256 of PC2700 DDR SDRAM, Superdrive DVD-RCD-RW, Mac OS X. Al Fitch fitchal [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980506050619586f62da [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:19:01 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: directions for NY city In-Reply-To: References: To add to what Brian said. When your at 33rd st. note that transferring is a little more then just changing trains. You're changing systems. To get into the NYC transit system, you're going to have to buy a metro card that will allow you to enter the turnstile. The fare is $2/trip. The cards are available from machines or a booth. Here's the point to this ramble. If you're going to be taking more the 3 trip in your one day, you'll want to buy a "fun pass" from the machine. It's $7 for unlimited rides during the single day for one person. If you're planning on 3 trips or less, then a cash card is what you want. If you have friends with you, you can use one card for up to four people, [at] $2 per, at a time. After four fares are used the card won't work for 18 minutes. --=20 Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:03:20 -0400 From: LITETROL [at] aol.com Subject: AOL workaround Message-ID: <2FC678F2.710A54F4.0070DDA3 [at] aol.com> Kristi wrote: <> I have been wondering what workaround there might be for my inability to respond to messages on the list. Thank you Kristi, for putting me on the "write" track. So, a while ago, Steve Lissert wrote: <> Thank you Steve for the plug. Yep, we specialize in making the old new again, and helping endusers with "headscratchers" Back to lurking, but now I know how to chime in! steve short Lite-Trol Service Co., Inc. 1 800 548 3876 (LITETRO) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:01:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Depending upon all the uses your Mac may get, I, personally, would go for a larger hard drive and a minimum of 1GB of ram. In addition to the apps you mentioned, I also do a lot of work in Photoshop CS. My smallest HD is 160GB and I work on an iMac, a G4 tower, a G4 laptop, and a G5 tower. Steve > From: Al Fitch > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 04:58:31 -0700 (PDT) > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > How does this machine sound for what I want to do > (VectorWorks and Sound Editing and possibly Final Cut > Pro)? > > You can reply off list if you think this is not > appropriate for the list to be listening to. > > Would 1200.00 be a steal of a deal for it? > > I was thinking I could get a large LCD display for > home use and have the portability of the Notebook.: > > 1.33 GHZ PowerPC G4 processor, 512K level 2 cache, 60 > GB hard drive, 256 of PC2700 DDR SDRAM, Superdrive > DVD-RCD-RW, Mac OS X. > > Al Fitch > fitchal [at] yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:03:47 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Soldering Iron Fog Machine Message-id: <000701c569df$c79f3350$9a324104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: I seem to remeber seeing an article somewhere tha contained instructions on how to build a small fogger using a soldering iron. Anybody? I am trying to make a tiny fogger for a small diorama... something smoldering, say about the size of a loaf of bread. The fog needs to repeat. Proven techniques or ideas? Laters, Paul "Those bullets aren't real" said Tom blankly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A318CD.B6BB0BD2 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:22:54 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Soldering Iron Fog Machine References:

Paul Guncheon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I seem to remeber seeing an article somewhere tha contained instructions on > how to build a small fogger using a soldering iron. > > Anybody? > > I am trying to make a tiny fogger for a small diorama... something > smoldering, say about the size of a loaf of bread. The fog needs to repeat. > > Proven techniques or ideas? Check model railroad stores. they make tiny little foggers for model steam trains to emit smoke when operating. Run on DC, and just put a few drops in for little wisps of smoke. May have to rig up something to supply drops of smoke juice to it. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT In-reply-to: Message-id: <3905.172.158.28.195.1117986853.squirrel [at] 172.158.28.195> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > I.e. it's a "marital aid". Something to spice up your sex life. > > Anyone care to predect what tunes might be available? ;) The Stripper? I'm holding out for the 1812 Overture. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: [Fwd: Re: AOL workaround] Message-id: <4137.172.158.28.195.1117987548.squirrel [at] 172.158.28.195> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Kristi wrote: <> Faster workaround -- Open the write mail dialog, right click in the body of the message and select "Compose in plain text." Steve Short wrote: > So, a while ago, Steve Lissert wrote: ^^^^^^^ Ahem. My students lose points for stuff like that. It's in the syllabus, after all. > Steve Litterst>> Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:02:40 -0400 From: Matt DeLong Reply-To: Matt DeLong Subject: Re: Soldering Iron Fog Machine In-Reply-To: References:

Rosco Makes a small fogger that may suite your needs. It's called the Pencil Fogger, and is made to be fit into small props etc. Info on the web can be found here : http://www.rosco.com/us/fog/pf-1000.asp . If you need exact dimensions or more info feel free to give me a call at Rosco. Thanks! Matt [at] Rosco Tech Support 1-800-Rosco-NY x213 On 6/5/05, Dale Farmer wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > Paul Guncheon wrote: >=20 > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > I seem to remeber seeing an article somewhere tha contained instruction= s on > > how to build a small fogger using a soldering iron. > > > > Anybody? > > > > I am trying to make a tiny fogger for a small diorama... something > > smoldering, say about the size of a loaf of bread. The fog needs to re= peat. > > > > Proven techniques or ideas? >=20 > Check model railroad stores. they make tiny little foggers for model = steam > trains to emit smoke when operating. Run on DC, and just put a few drops > in for little wisps of smoke. May have to rig up something to supply dro= ps of > smoke juice to it. >=20 > --Dale >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050605111225.00b0ce90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:12:25 From: CB Subject: Re: Can you hear me now? >of course it used to drive me crazy when I walked past jewelry shops with >high frequency alarm systems as it seemed I was the only one who could hear them I did my share of R&R, playing and touring. I have always said that volume is just an inadequate way to compensate for some other inadequacy, and have insistedd that those around me accept that good and listenable is a far better target than loudest and mediocre. And my friends think that I'm a freak when I tell them that their olde TV is just about to throw a flyback tranformer... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050605112847.00b0ce90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:28:47 From: CB Subject: Re: RE Todd Whistle - slightly OT, no very OT >While researching the construction of Organ Pipes a few weeks ago I came >upon a patent for a unique musical instrument, my only question is Why? I explained this earlier, "volume is just an inadequate way to compensate for some other inadequacy". I guess that I didn't quite get the construction of a whistle as described. When you do the drawings, can you post where we can look? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050605113354.00b0ce90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:33:54 From: CB Subject: Welding and air tank (was:Re: rookie welder: structural engineering of steel platforms) >How high a pressure you >put in the tank and how good a welder you are. I'm an adequate MIG welder (din' I say that in the question? ) >An air tank you are maxing >out at 150 psi versus the air tank you are putting in 3000 psi? Yah, just under 150 psi. usually less than 120. >For theformer, >you could probably just fix it with a little JBweld even easier than actually >welding it. For the latter case, toss it. Well, my JB welds have almost all (I can think of one that hasn't) failed. Almost none (I can think of one) of my MIG welds have failed. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Al Fitch wrote: > How does this machine sound for what I want to do > (VectorWorks Should be fine for that > and Sound Editing Not my thing, but probably OK > and possibly Final Cut > Pro)? I haven't upgraded to FCP 5 yet. Based on my experience with FCP 4.5 I'd say it will run (the FCP 5 spec calls for a minimum 500mhz G4 for SD or 1ghz for HD). But it will be a little underpowered. > Would 1200.00 be a steal of a deal for it? You haven't said *what* it is. Sounds like a 14" iBook? The Apple store retail price is $1,500, so that wouldn't be a bad deal. Personally I'm not a fan of the 14" iBooks however. The screen resolution is pretty low - 1024x768. I think the 12" iBook a a much better deal personally. Do you feel you need the superdrive? > I was thinking I could get a large LCD display for > home use and have the portability of the Notebook.: The iBook only supports mirrored displays, and has an underpowered graphics card (Radeon 9200 with only 32MB VRAM). I don't think it will support an external display at more than 1024x768 either, so a large LCD screen won't help. There is a hack available to increase the display capabilities of the iBook however (not supported by Apple). For the same price I think the 12" powerbook is a much nicer machine, although no superdrive. For about that same price you should also be able to get a 17" 2hgz iMac G5 (assuming, since the retail price of this machine is also $1,500 like the 14" iBook). That is a much, much more powerful machine, much larger faster hard drive, twice the RAM, Radeon 9600 graphics card with 128MB. It would literally run circles around a G4. Unless you really, really need a laptop don't buy one now. There's too big a performance gap, since they can't get the G5 to run cool enough in a laptop. As new audio/video/CAD software is released it will be oriented more and more towards the G5. I just don't think a G4 is a good investment anymore (and I have a couple of them myself). > 1.33 GHZ PowerPC G4 processor, 512K level 2 cache, 60 > GB hard drive, 256 of PC2700 DDR SDRAM, Superdrive > DVD-RCD-RW, Mac OS X. Regardless or what you do, 256MB is not enough. If going with the iBook add AT LEAST another 512MB, preferably 1GB. Depending on where you purchase that could cost anywhere between $150 to $300. Happy shopping! | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:03:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Tiger Direct sells PC133 SDRAM for $76 to $94 per 512MB. It's better to call them than try to buy at their website. Order taking problems right now. If you've got a Tiger Direct store near you that's two days quicker. Steve > Regardless or what you do, 256MB is not enough. If going with the iBook > add AT LEAST another 512MB, preferably 1GB. Depending on where you > purchase that could cost anywhere between $150 to $300. > > Happy shopping! > > | Boyd Ostroff > | Director of Design and Technology > | Opera Company of Philadelphia > | http://tech.operaphilly.com > | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Source for Educational Discounts on Macintosh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Steve Larson wrote: > Tiger Direct sells PC133 SDRAM for $76 to $94 per 512MB. >> add AT LEAST another 512MB, preferably 1GB. Depending on where you >> purchase that could cost anywhere between $150 to $300. I guess that was ambiguous... I was talking about 1GB prices. At Tiger's website that would be in the $160 to $200 range. BTW, starting a couple years ago, Mac laptops now use PC2700 DDR 333 SODIMM's, not PC133 SDRAM. Also, in the trivia dept, did you know that Tiger Direct is suing Apple for naming OS X 10.4 "Tiger." Good luck with that... | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <156.52858a8d.2fd4cb12 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:39:30 EDT Subject: Re: re Dead Cat Soap In a message dated 6/4/05 2:25:35 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: << >You tell me what the real world does. Well, its seems to be my job. You've never come right out and asked me before, maybe things ARE looking up. In the 'real world, pin three is never hot(positive), and pin two is. Pin one is ground the whole 'real' world 'round. Tips are NEVER ground in the real world, sleeves are. Always. DAMHIK,IJK. Tips are hot. Rings are not. Of course, if you have someone doing AC, they think that it doesn't matter which is hot coz the next millisecond it won't be, and then it will again. Getting it wrong on a kick drum channel can, and literally WILL, make your sound system suck. Shure FP-31. Pin two hot. Shure FP-32 (stereo version), pin three hot. Shure FP-32a, pin two hot. Shure FP-42, idunno, flip a coin I guess. The Fp-32's are listed as "Non AES Standard". Gotta laugh... >> You have indeed. Little more needs to be said. The jack plugs with the tip to ground is real, though "Pinewood" wiring., after a British film studio whioch adopted ti. ------------------------------ From: "Noah Price" Subject: Re: AOL workaround Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:00:09 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:03:20 -0400 LITETROL [at] aol.com wrote: > Kristi wrote: < emails to the list because you're on AOL... get onto your AOL the > regular way then open www.aol.ca (Canada's AOL site) in the browser > and click on Mail>> > > I have been wondering what workaround there might be for my inability > to respond to messages on the list. Thank you Kristi, for putting me > on the "write" track. You should also be able to use webmail through AOL's main site, getting directly to the mail service at: http://mail.aol.com/ If you have difficulty sending plain text from other email programs, I added an extensive list of instructions on the Stagecraft site: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/nomime.html#programs Since my source for that list hasn't been updated in a while, I welcome updates for more recent programs, or corrections/clarification for the programs listed. Please email directly to stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net Thanks, Noah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:00:40 -0400 Subject: RE Todd Whistle From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks Alf, for your helpful information about building a whistle. And Michael, thanks for the lead on the 2003 USITT catalogue. I have ordered it, and look forward to seeing what it has to say. Thank you all for a variety of thought provoking responses both on and off line. I have gotten a lot of ideas to consider, and yet another reminder of what a valuable resource this list is! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6651A28C-636F-4888-B4FD-8AE67F203CEF [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Web server change Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:27:26 -0700 I've completed moving our web server over to our office server. In theory, you shouldn't notice a change. Since I don't trust theory, if any of you have a spare moment could you please check that you can still access our page and let me know off list of any problems? web page variations: http://www.interstellar.com http://interstellar.com http://www.durandinterstellar.com http://durandinterstellar.com Thanks. ------------------------------ Subject: Multi core cable life expectancy Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:44:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" What do you all think is a reasonable life span for a correctly made = multi conductor electrical cable should be? The cable I am questioning is a 12/19 SO cable. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Web server change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > could you please check that you can still access our page > and let me know off list of any problems? They all work for me... | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Web server change Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" They all seemed to work for me. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:27 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Web server change For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I've completed moving our web server over to our office server. In =20 theory, you shouldn't notice a change. Since I don't trust theory, =20 if any of you have a spare moment could you please check that you can =20 still access our page and let me know off list of any problems? web page variations: http://www.interstellar.com http://interstellar.com http://www.durandinterstellar.com http://durandinterstellar.com Thanks. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Web server change Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:52:20 -0700 On Jun 5, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Boyd Ostroff wrote: > They all work for me... Thanks to all testing it. I should also add "Powered by Mac mini." :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:57:27 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Web server change In-Reply-To: References: They all worked for me (7:56pm EDST) -Delbert On 6/5/05, Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I've completed moving our web server over to our office server. In > theory, you shouldn't notice a change. Since I don't trust theory, > if any of you have a spare moment could you please check that you can > still access our page and let me know off list of any problems? >=20 > web page variations: > http://www.interstellar.com > http://interstellar.com > http://www.durandinterstellar.com > http://durandinterstellar.com >=20 > Thanks. >=20 >=20 --=20 Delbert Hall Phone: 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Web server change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > Thanks to all testing it. I should also add "Powered by Mac mini." :) Better say "Powered by IBM-based Mac mini." By this time next year the mini is expected to have Intel Inside... http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050605/apple_chips.html?.v=4 ------------------------------------------ Apple to switch to Intel chips: WSJ Sunday June 5, 6:21 pm ET NEW YORK (Reuters) - Apple Computer Inc. (NasdaqNM:AAPL - News) is expected to announce Monday that it will begin shifting its Macintosh computer line next year to Intel Corp. chips, the Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site on Sunday, citing people familiar with the situation. ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1381.64.28.57.166.1115337919.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy From: "Bill Nelson" > What do you all think is a reasonable life span for a correctly made multi > conductor electrical cable should be? Is it a permanently installed and protected cable or one meant for stringing as needed? A permanently installed cable should last for decades as failures are usually due to flexing, crushing or overstressing the wires in the connectors. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A39901.5DFF4571 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:29:53 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy References: "James, Brian" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What do you all think is a reasonable life span for a correctly made multi conductor electrical cable should be? > > The cable I am questioning is a 12/19 SO cable. That depends. I usually count the cable as dead after it's been run over by a heavily loaded forklift. Since that sort of cable is rarely installed as fixed in-the-wall cable, I'd have to assume you are talking about portable cordage. Next question is what is the use? Cable you are sending out on a 12 month rock and roll tour is probably going to be dead by the time it gets back. Cable that sits in your theater cable room and gets used a couple times a year is probably going to last 20+ years. Other variables to consider is what the outer jacket is made from. Extra heavy duty versus heavy duty insulation. Do the electricians using the cable tend to load it up to full amperage or overload it regularly? The increased heat will accelerate aging. Is it being dragged around the floor to provide power to a set piece that moves five time each show or being flown to a light bar that only gets moved to replace blown bulbs and faded gel? Do the electricians using it drop the end fittings on the floor routinely or set them down more gently? Lots of variables. The failures I usually see are at the connectors. They get dropped and knocked out of round, they get pulled and the cable pulls out of the strain relief. Pins get bent. I've seen them damaged by being run over by forklifts, scenery trucks, road trucks and lawnmowers. Chewed up where they were going through a door that was constantly closing on it. Melted by overloads and fires. Need more data to give you a meaningful prediction. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Multi core cable life expectancy Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:57:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" I am using 12/19 SO cable. The main cables in question were essentially = installed. The were used to run power from our dimmer racks to our front = of house position. In the years I had them, they were moved 3 times a = year. Once in fall for maintenance (check connections etc) once in = winter for maintenance and one more time in the summer. Each run has it's own ground, neutral and hot wire (i.e. no shared = conductors). Each cable had 2P&G connectors on both ends. Each fan out = was made with Z-tech (sp?) covering the conductors into the connector = body. The joint where the z-tech and SO insulation met was covered with = a thick (real thick) heat shrink. Over load is not typically a problem, as we have a standard hang on the = FOH position that rarely changed. Most circuits had two instruments with = a 575 watt lamp. Hope that is enough data. The thing I am finding interesting is that it is always the commons that = have failed. My only theory being that the conductors are 12 gauge, with = lots of use (daily) and a real long run. I have been chasing this issue around for 3 years now. I am digging into one as we speak to seer if I can determine the point = of damage and verifying that the cables are wired correctly. Before we get into the fact this arrangement mentioned above pretty much = flies in the face of legality of the NEC, that has been fixed. A new = hardwired system, with 10 gauge gables was recently funded and installed = (these things take time on a campus). I was just hoping to add the above = mentioned cables into my portable stock which is less abundant than it = should be. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale Farmer Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:30 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "James, Brian" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- > > What do you all think is a reasonable life span for a correctly made = multi conductor electrical cable should be? > > The cable I am questioning is a 12/19 SO cable. That depends. I usually count the cable as dead after it's been run over by a heavily loaded forklift. Since that sort of cable is rarely installed as fixed in-the-wall cable, I'd have to assume you are talking about portable cordage. Next question is what is the use? Cable you are sending out on a 12 month rock and roll tour is probably going to be dead by the time it gets back. Cable that sits in your theater cable room and gets used a couple times a year is probably going to last 20+ years. Other variables to consider is what the outer jacket is made from. Extra heavy duty versus heavy duty insulation. Do the electricians using the cable tend to load it up to full amperage or overload it regularly? The increased heat will accelerate aging. Is it being dragged around the floor to provide power to a set piece that moves five time each show or being flown to a light bar that only gets moved to replace blown bulbs and faded gel? Do the electricians using it drop the end fittings on the floor = routinely or set them down more gently? Lots of variables. The failures I usually see are at the connectors. They get dropped and knocked out of round, they get pulled and the cable pulls out of the strain relief. Pins get bent. I've seen them damaged by being run over by forklifts, scenery trucks, road trucks and lawnmowers. Chewed up where they were going through a door that was constantly closing on it. Melted by overloads and fires. Need more data to give you a meaningful prediction. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <08e901c56a34$578784f0$0400a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: Organ Pipes Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:04:45 -0400 One last word on pipes: The Anything Goes production was 6 years ago and I'm sure there are many more resources on line than then. (Of course, that can be as much a problem as a help.) Here are two "organ" resources. They're for real serious organ folks. http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/ http://www.pipeorgan.org/ Alf ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A3A8F4.E67E891 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:37:56 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy References: "James, Brian" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am using 12/19 SO cable. The main cables in question were essentially installed. The were used to run power from our dimmer racks to our front of house position. In the years I had them, they were moved 3 times a year. Once in fall for maintenance (check connections etc) once in winter for maintenance and one more time in the summer. > > Each run has it's own ground, neutral and hot wire (i.e. no shared conductors). Each cable had 2P&G connectors on both ends. Each fan out was made with Z-tech (sp?) covering the conductors into the connector body. The joint where the z-tech and SO insulation met was covered with a thick (real thick) heat shrink. > > Over load is not typically a problem, as we have a standard hang on the FOH position that rarely changed. Most circuits had two instruments with a 575 watt lamp. > > Hope that is enough data. > The thing I am finding interesting is that it is always the commons that have failed. My only theory being that the conductors are 12 gauge, with lots of use (daily) and a real long run. > > I have been chasing this issue around for 3 years now. > > I am digging into one as we speak to seer if I can determine the point of damage and verifying that the cables are wired correctly. > > Before we get into the fact this arrangement mentioned above pretty much flies in the face of legality of the NEC, that has been fixed. A new hardwired system, with 10 gauge gables was recently funded and installed (these things take time on a campus). I was just hoping to add the above mentioned cables into my portable stock which is less abundant than it should be. Okay, that nails down most of the variables. First thing is just a physical inspection. Rips, tears, cuts, scuffs, rodent nibbles, and the overall flexibility of the insulation. I will predict that the parts that were up in the ceiling, will be somewhat stiffer and more prone to cracking under ongoing use. insulation that is dried up and cracking when you flex it is a hazard, and the cable should be recycled. You didn't say how old they are. Rubber insulated cables from the 50's are probably gone. Early PVC insulated cables are likely so stiff from loss of plasticizers that they are not going to last very long before cracking and short circuiting. Heat and time are the things that drive the plasticizers out of the insulation. Later generations of PVC are better at retaining their flexibility long term. Open up the shrink wrap and inspect the individual conductors for cracking or anything else that exposes copper. You may find that you will have to trim them back and create new fanouts. Installing some socapex connectors at each end and making some socapex fanouts will increase life expectancy of the main cable. Is that cable 'entertainment rated' per the NEC? Probably not, so continuing to use it without checking with competent local authority is unwise. The NEC tightened up the requirements for portable cordage in theatrical areas. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:44:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: ???? I'm a little confused here. First you said: > Each run has it's own ground, neutral and hot wire (i.e. no shared > conductors). Then later you said: > The thing I am finding interesting is that it is always the commons that have > failed. If there are no shared connectors, what do you mean by "Commons"? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Multi core cable life expectancy Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Sorry, common meaning neutral I actually think it is a bad cable batch. I got annoyed and open 3 of them up. All three cables originated from = the same spool of wire. The commonality amongst the damaged cables are the colors of the = internal wires. I have a white/red damaged in all three and a blue black = damaged in all three I have opened. As far as age, they are 11 years old. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Purdy Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:45 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ???? I'm a little confused here. First you said: =20 > Each run has it's own ground, neutral and hot wire (i.e. no shared > conductors).=20 Then later you said: > The thing I am finding interesting is that it is always the commons = that have > failed. If there are no shared connectors, what do you mean by "Commons"? Bruce --=20 Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Multi core cable life expectancy Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" I thought about that, according to our code inspector, he is cool with = using SO jacketed cable for the venues we have. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dale Farmer Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:38 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "James, Brian" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am using 12/19 SO cable. The main cables in question were = essentially installed. The were used to run power from our dimmer racks = to our front of house position. In the years I had them, they were moved = 3 times a year. Once in fall for maintenance (check connections etc) = once in winter for maintenance and one more time in the summer. > > Each run has it's own ground, neutral and hot wire (i.e. no shared = conductors). Each cable had 2P&G connectors on both ends. Each fan out = was made with Z-tech (sp?) covering the conductors into the connector = body. The joint where the z-tech and SO insulation met was covered with = a thick (real thick) heat shrink. > > Over load is not typically a problem, as we have a standard hang on = the FOH position that rarely changed. Most circuits had two instruments = with a 575 watt lamp. > > Hope that is enough data. > The thing I am finding interesting is that it is always the commons = that have failed. My only theory being that the conductors are 12 gauge, = with lots of use (daily) and a real long run. > > I have been chasing this issue around for 3 years now. > > I am digging into one as we speak to seer if I can determine the point = of damage and verifying that the cables are wired correctly. > > Before we get into the fact this arrangement mentioned above pretty = much flies in the face of legality of the NEC, that has been fixed. A = new hardwired system, with 10 gauge gables was recently funded and = installed (these things take time on a campus). I was just hoping to add = the above mentioned cables into my portable stock which is less abundant = than it should be. Okay, that nails down most of the variables. First thing is just a = physical inspection. Rips, tears, cuts, scuffs, rodent nibbles, and the overall = flexibility of the insulation. I will predict that the parts that were up in the = ceiling, will be somewhat stiffer and more prone to cracking under ongoing use. insulation that is dried up and cracking when you flex it is a hazard, = and the cable should be recycled. You didn't say how old they are. Rubber = insulated cables from the 50's are probably gone. Early PVC insulated cables are likely so stiff from loss of plasticizers that they are not going to = last very long before cracking and short circuiting. Heat and time are the things that = drive the plasticizers out of the insulation. Later generations of PVC are = better at retaining their flexibility long term. Open up the shrink wrap and inspect the individual conductors for cracking or anything else that exposes copper. You may find that you = will have to trim them back and create new fanouts. Installing some socapex connectors at each end and making some socapex fanouts will increase = life expectancy of the main cable. Is that cable 'entertainment rated' per the NEC? Probably not, = so continuing to use it without checking with competent local authority is unwise. The NEC tightened up the requirements for portable cordage in theatrical areas. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Multi core cable life expectancy/Still curious Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Even when/if I get this specific issue resolved, how often do you all = plan to keep a cable? Do you plan regular replacement, if so how often? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20050606155329.03d56188 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:14:10 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Mysterious RDS luminaire I was recently shown a luminaire which I can't identify, and even worse, I can't find a lamp for it. There are a bunch of these sitting in a cupboard in a university TV studio, and I would love to help them out by getting some lamps for these almost-unused luminaires. Sadly, they didn't even have a blown lamp as a sample. This studio is entirely equipped with some rather unusual RDS (Ryudensha - Japan) units, including 1K fresnels that use strip lamps and these open-faced quartz units. (Photos at http://www.kilowatt.com.au/temp/rds_side.jpg, http://www.kilowatt.com.au/temp/rds_front.jpg) The optics are very similar to the Ianiro/ Quartzcolour Redhead. The lamp however, is some kind of single-ended unit with a GX 9.5 base. As the lamp base runs along rather than across the optical axis, I can only surmise that the filament is a coiled-coil or similar, as a grid filament (as in a T/19) would be at right angles to the reflector (although you never know). Does this description ring any bells out there in stagecraft land? BTW I have fairly thoroughly searched the Web for any evidence of the Ryudensha company and have drawn a blank. I seem to recall something about them being acquired by Marumo some years ago, but can turn up no traces of this either. ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ~: Andy Ciddor aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au :~ ~: The Kilowatt Company Telephone: +61 3 6229 1662 :~ ~: ABN 84 034 522 035 Facsimile: +61 3 6229 1662 :~ ~: Production | Technology | Communications Mobile: +61 (0)419 925 730 :~ ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #419 *****************************