Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22941475; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:00:35 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #421 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:00:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #421 1. Rigging Question by "Dana Taylor" 2. Re: Rigging Question by Bill Sapsis 3. Re: Tiny fogger by Nathan Kahn 4. Re: Fog/haze maintenance by Nathan Kahn 5. Re: Fog/haze maintenance by "Tony Deeming" 6. Re: Dead Cat Soap aka pin 2-3 by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 7. Re: Rigging Question by Stephen Litterst 8. Re: Tiny fogger by "Paul Guncheon" 9. Re: Myth or Fact????? by "Frank E. Merrill" 10. Re: Rigging Question by "Scheu Consulting Services" 11. hearing loss by "David R. Krajec" 12. soldering Iron Fog Machine by 13. drop frame by 14. Re: drop frame by "Paul Schreiner" 15. Re: Myth or Fact????? by "Jerry Dougherty" 16. Re: soldering Iron Fog Machine by "LES LIND" 17. Re: re Dead Cat Soap by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: Multi core cable life expectancy by Stephen Litterst 20. DXF file and old VW... by "Steve Jones" 21. Re: DXF file and old VW... by Boyd Ostroff 22. New ???? by Mike Brubaker 23. Re: DXF file and old VW... by "Joe Golden" 24. Re: New ???? by "Chad Croteau" 25. Re: New ???? by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 26. Re: Can you hear me now? by CB 27. Re: [Fwd: Re: AOL workaround] by CB 28. Re: New ???? by Bruce Purdy 29. Re: Can you hear me now? by Stuart Wheaton 30. Re: Myth or Fact????? by Bill Sapsis 31. Re: Myth or Fact????? by "James, Brian" 32. Re: New ???? by Greg Williams 33. Re: drawbridge by Stuart Wheaton 34. Not getting messages by Seth Richardson 35. Re: Can you hear me now? by Greg Bierly 36. Re: Not getting messages by Noah Price 37. beautiful pianos by "Pamela Abra" 38. Re: Getting messages by Seth Richardson 39. Re: beautiful pianos by Seth Richardson *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:12:29 -0500 From: "Dana Taylor" Subject: Rigging Question I am seeking the wisdom of the list in regard to a potentially dangerous = situation. At a production meeting for a school production of "Les Mis", the scenic = designer/director indicated that he wants Javert to step/leap off the = bridge and be suspended in mid-air. during the character's suicide. The = character would then be lowered to the deck 8 feet below. He did mention = that he knew we needed to put the character in a safety harness but I = believe the directors reach is exceeding his grasp. My question is, is this safe and if not, how could it be made safe. My gut = reaction is that we don't have the appropriate equipment or experience to = do this and are needlessly putting a kid at risk. Thanks, Dana Taylor Technical Theatre Instructor MVHS Dana W. Taylor Mt. Vernon Sr. High School 812.838.4356 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:17:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Rigging Question From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dana. Yes, there are plenty of ways to do this safely. But they all take some combination of expertise, equipment and budget. You're last paragraph says it all. This is your production, your staff and your theatre. You know the possibilities and limitations better than I or anyone else who hasn't spent time there. If your gut says no, than I say go with your gut. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/7/05 7:12 AM, Dana Taylor at taylordw [at] msdmv.k12.in.us wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am seeking the wisdom of the list in regard to a potentially dangerous > situation. > > At a production meeting for a school production of "Les Mis", the scenic > designer/director indicated that he wants Javert to step/leap off the bridge > and be suspended in mid-air. during the character's suicide. The character > would then be lowered to the deck 8 feet below. He did mention that he knew we > needed to put the character in a safety harness but I believe the directors > reach is exceeding his grasp. > > My question is, is this safe and if not, how could it be made safe. My gut > reaction is that we don't have the appropriate equipment or experience to do > this and are needlessly putting a kid at risk. > > Thanks, > > Dana Taylor > Technical Theatre Instructor > MVHS > > Dana W. Taylor > Mt. Vernon Sr. High School > 812.838.4356 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad327050607051856cda85c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:18:15 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn Reply-To: Nathan Kahn Subject: Re: Tiny fogger In-Reply-To: References:

One solution when you need a tiny fogger is to use a Tiny-Fogger :-) http://www.tinyfogger.com/ But this is also out of your budget . . .=20 In another post, Joe Dunfee mentioned the Zero Blaster. Zero Toys also has a new product called a Wizard Stick that perhaps you can make use of: http://www.zerotoys.com/newsite/lowres/products.htm Have you thought about buying a cheap conventional fog machine and removing the guts, to build into your prop? Heck I saw a fog machine at Toys R Us the other day :-) Nathan/Look Solutions --=20 Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Web: www.looksolutions.com and www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad32705060705212cd55b65 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:21:39 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn Reply-To: Nathan Kahn Subject: Re: Fog/haze maintenance In-Reply-To: References:

> Martin 24/7 hazer - this produces the haze ok, but is doing a LOT of > spitting of hot fluid at the same time. Again, cleaning the pipes with DI > didn't seem to make much difference.... Doesn't the 24/7 have the capability to accept different fluids, and you have to "tell" the machine which fluid you are using so it can set the heater to the correct temperature? If so, perhaps you've told it the wrong fluid. Or perhaps you've told it the right fluid but it didn't believe you. Nathan/Look Solutions --=20 Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Web: www.looksolutions.com and www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: nathan.kahn [at] gmail.com (Nathan Kahn) Subject: RE: Fog/haze maintenance Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:41:01 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Nathan Kahn Sent: 07 June 2005 13:22 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Fog/haze maintenance For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Martin 24/7 hazer - this produces the haze ok, but is doing a LOT of > spitting of hot fluid at the same time. Again, cleaning the pipes with DI > didn't seem to make much difference.... Doesn't the 24/7 have the capability to accept different fluids, and you have to "tell" the machine which fluid you are using so it can set the heater to the correct temperature? If so, perhaps you've told it the wrong fluid. Or perhaps you've told it the right fluid but it didn't believe you. Nathan/Look Solutions That's a good thought - as it's a communal machine I seldom get to fill it, so it may be the case. Thanks for the idea. TD ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <102.6291e368.2fd6f12b [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:46:35 EDT Subject: Re: Dead Cat Soap aka pin 2-3 LOL. I am often amazed by audio techs who believe this (pin 2 hot) so firml y that they don't check the obvious when a problem arises. I was the lead at one of our venues that had a Gamble console. It was praised to high heaven by the sweeks to spec'ed it. However, it was manufactured with pin 3 hot. The system was set up accordingly and we had no problems -except- when a new hot shot audio guy would come in to do something. I would usually (perversely?) let them run around for a while, muttering many oaths over a buzz in the system that they could not eliminate before pointing out that the gear they had patched in needed to have a reverser. Since I was officially the squint, it took a while before they would buy it. They would most always mutter something to the effect that Pin 3 is never hot! In a message dated 6/3/2005, Chris writes: >In the 'real world, pin three is never hot(positive), and pin two is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Rigging Question In-reply-to: Message-id: <2735.172.134.67.198.1118150365.squirrel [at] 172.134.67.198> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > At a production meeting for a school production of "Les Mis", the scenic > designer/director indicated that he wants Javert to step/leap off the > bridge and be suspended in mid-air. > My question is, is this safe and if not, how could it be made safe. My gut > reaction is that we don't have the appropriate equipment or experience to > do this and are needlessly putting a kid at risk. Follow your gut. This is an effect that can be done safely, with the appropriate experience and equipment. If you, as the lead technician, don't feel comfortable, then you shouldn't allow yourself to be pushed into it. I'd suggest you get in touch with the folks at Hall Flying FX, Flying by Foy, and/or ZFX. Describe the effect and get a price. Take that to the director Hope that helps, Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:15:32 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Tiny fogger Message-id: <006201c56b6b$5e581230$cc063f04 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: Following my own usual advice, I did a Google search and found many somke generators for models... trains and boats. I have one of those smoke ring guns but am hesitant to disassemble it as I thinks it's kinda cool to be able to say " I have gun that shoots smoke rings". Laters, Paul "I've paid my annual subscription," Tom remembered. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:10:10 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <758997598.20050607101010 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Myth or Fact????? In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, June 6, 2005, Brian James wrote: > So, is it a myth or a fact that painting a shackle with spray paint > is bad? OOOH! Bad! 'Way bad! So bad it is right up there with not ever putting a car batery on a concrete surface because doing so will suck the life outta the battery! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: Rigging Question Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:17:31 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Steve Litterst wrote: >Follow your gut. This is an effect that can be done safely, with the >appropriate experience and equipment. If you, as the lead technician, >don't feel comfortable, then you shouldn't allow yourself to >be pushed into it. > >I'd suggest you get in touch with the folks at Hall Flying FX, >Flying by Foy, and/or ZFX. Describe the effect and get a >price. Take that to the director Dana, I see from your original post that this may be a HS production (your domain is "msdmv.k12.in.us"). I can't even begin to stress how strongly I agree with Steve here. This is NOT something anyone at the HS level should even attempt by themselves. You MUST call in a professional (Steve gave you the best list). DO NOT compromise w/ the director. Either the professionals do it, or it gets cut. I'm not kidding when I say the performer's life is at stake!. Just my .02. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: hearing loss Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:32:46 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A word about that... I had my hearing tested at the request of my wife. They confirmed what I already knew. Five percent hearing loss in my left ear (probably a result of having my head next to a speaker under a stage during a sound check by one of the Van Halen guitar players - ouch! "Oh, sorry, dude!") and 10 percent loss in my right ear (a direct result of firing a Colt Walker next to my head during a show - ouch and stupid!). The hearing technician told me that the loss is in the range of the female voice! How convenient for me! Frustrating for my wife! Working a rock concert once, I was running truss spot. I asked for some hearing protection (rollup, spongy, in-the-ear-canal kind). The stage manager said that I would never hear my cues. I told him that as soon as they opened the mic to give me a cue, I'm going to get all that sound jammed into my ear, and after a half hour of that, I wouldn't be able to hear anything. He agreed, I got the hearing protection. My cues were spot on - no pun intended. David K. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000e01c56b80$3d0f0e70$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: soldering Iron Fog Machine Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:44:55 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet about small little fog machines, I've seen small little foggers that go into fountains. These can be picked up at any large box hardware store chain in the garden pond section. I think the cost is around $40. They produce a small little mist like fog. Ken MN Ballet ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c56b81$fead7160$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: drop frame Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:57:29 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet I was planning on ripping strips of 4" and using 3/4" ply or OSB. I'm planning on going to the lumber yard today and get fresh prices. I might be able to go to a width of 6" if the price is right. But shouldn't the OSB be at least able to handle sizing 3 or 4 drops, when it's screwed to the floor? Cost is everything with this production, and I've learned that taking short cuts in materials on the set will bite me in the butt on tour. This drop frame is going to be thrown away which is why I'm trying to cut costs there. I'd love to get more opinions on this from the list. Thanks, Ken MN Ballet ------------------------------ Subject: RE: drop frame Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C836 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" I don't think you need to worry about the moisture having an effect on the OSB...since this is only a painting frame, and not traveling with the drop, you'll probably be throwing a layer of saran wrap or something down on top of the frame to keep between it and the muslin (so the drop doesn't stick), and for only 3 or 4 drops that should be enough protection. And if it's screwed to the floor, that'll eliminate the bending as the muslin shrinks. I think it's a decent plan, given the circumstances... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jerry Dougherty" Subject: Re: Myth or Fact????? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:21:28 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message-----. So, is it a myth or a fact that painting a shackle with spray paint is bad? ------------------------------ Well, in my recent past life with the Army, I became the expert on shackles for all of the National Guard brigade deploying from the Western U.S. Of all the things on vehicles that get painted green or tan, shackles are the only thing that don't get painted. Look at a photo of the new Stryker vehicles and the only identifiable feature on the front is the Crosby shackle. Why don't we paint them? Two reasons. First, too much paint on the pin and it won't fit through the tie-down point on the vehicle (not an issue with round slings). Second, too much paint would cover the manufacturer's markings on the shoulder. Since the Army only is "supposed" to used domestic shackles, the manufacturer's mark is important. If it's not a Crosby or a Columbus-McKinnon, into the trash it goes. I don't see a problem with painting shackles. The logic for not doing it just isn't there. Paint is a preservative. Now I wouldn't mark my round slings that way... Jerry ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:21:32 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: soldering Iron Fog Machine These I believe are ultrasonic in nature and produce a low lying fog. It doesn't rise very far or last very long depending on the unit. Which would be good in some applications I guess. I have a ultrasonic humidifier at home and when on full produces copious amounts of "steam" but it falls quickly. Les Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org 6/7/05 12:44 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- about small little fog machines, I've seen small little foggers that go into fountains. These can be picked up at any large box hardware store chain in the garden pond section. I think the cost is around $40. They produce a small little mist like fog. Ken MN Ballet ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <102.629cb98d.2fd76834 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:14:28 EDT Subject: Re: re Dead Cat Soap In a message dated 6/5/05 11:40:10 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes: << >You tell me what the real world does. Well, its seems to be my job. You've never come right out and asked me before, maybe things ARE looking up. In the 'real world, pin three is never hot(positive), and pin two is. Pin one is ground the whole 'real' world 'round. Tips are NEVER ground in the real world, sleeves are. Always. DAMHIK,IJK. Tips are hot. Rings are not. >> You describe the world as I wish it were. Constant, and consistent. We both of us know that this is not always true. Mostly, yes, but we have both met strange wiring. This is why I carry sex changers, XLRs with substantial loops of wire coming out of them, and cables with crocodile clips on one end. Apart from test purposes, these ususally allow you to cobble something up. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.b58ec33.2fd76836 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:14:30 EDT Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy In a message dated 6/6/05 1:44:43 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, bej [at] vt.edu writes: << What do you all think is a reasonable life span for a correctly made multi conductor electrical cable should be? The cable I am questioning is a 12/19 SO cable. >> First, let me say that I have no understanding of US cable descriptions. 12/19 SO means nothing to me. Those of us on the other side of the pond may be able to offer help, and I will try. Multicores and their terminations come in two sorts: those in permanent installations, and those in temporary rigs. The former are only disconnected for servicing purposes. They usually use solid conductors, and theit life is indefinite. Those in temporary installations are subject to frequent disconnection and reconnection, not to mention other possiblke abuse. Their life depends on the stress placed on the junction between the wires and the pins. This is the failure point. Provided correct termination in the first place, and maintenance of the strain relief clamp, I should expect the same life. This is a counsel of prefection. Never mind multicores, ordinary mains cables need the same attention. I have often met mains cables where the three wires were bared inside the clamp. Theoretically, it is my duty to fix it, nut in the middle of a get-in, am I going to? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy In-reply-to: Message-id: <1357.172.139.226.254.1118180066.squirrel [at] 172.139.226.254> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > First, let me say that I have no understanding of US cable descriptions. > 12/19 SO means nothing to me. Those of us on the other side of the pond > may be > able to offer help, and I will try. In NEC nomenclature, the first number is the guage of the conductor, in this instance 12 guage. The second number is the number of conductors in the assembly. 12/19 cable has 19 conductors, all a 12 guage. SO refers to the rating of the jacketing of the assembly. I'm doing this from memory, but I'm sure Mitch or Eddie will correct me if I get it wrong -- S - refers to "Standard" jacketing, rated for 600v and either 60 or 90 degrees centigrade. (I can't remember the temp off the top of my head) O - refers to Oil Resistant jacketing. Hope that helps clear it up for you. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: DXF file and old VW... Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:42:23 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have an DXF file I am trying to import into Vectorworks 9.5.0 on a Mac. I get an "OpenDWG Library Error 287: Internal Error" when I try to open it? Any thoughts as to what is up? I can't upgrade VW right now, as I can't afford it. Thanks! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:52:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: DXF file and old VW... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: That's really funny. About three hours ago somebody sent me an AutoCAD 2000 DWG that gave me the same error! I'm pretty sure I've opened ACAD 2000 files before without this problem. I'm also on VW 9.5x running MacOS X 10.3.8. I don't have a fix, I got a different version of the file which a friend was able to open in VW 10.x and export as VW9... | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050607172204.058b8738 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:25:31 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: New ???? Not sure what the future holds for her, me, or her mother, but arriving this morning: Jillian Nicole Brubaker 8 lb 6 oz 20 inches FEET FIRST, by Caesarian. Mother and baby are doing great! Mike ------------------------------ Subject: RE: DXF file and old VW... Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" Send to me and I can do it. Joe Joe at elslights dot com=20 I have an DXF file I am trying to import into Vectorworks 9.5.0 on a Mac. I get an "OpenDWG Library Error 287: Internal Error" when I try to open it? Any thoughts as to what is up? I can't upgrade VW right now, as I can't afford it. Thanks! Steve ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003301c56bbb$4e577ce0$6601a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" References: Subject: Re: New ???? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:47:44 -0400 Congrats on the new arrival! Glad to hear all are doing well. Chad > > Jillian Nicole Brubaker > 8 lb 6 oz > 20 inches > ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:05:57 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Re: New ???? Congratulations Mike ! jeff Kanyuck >>> mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com 6/7/2005 6:25 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Not sure what the future holds for her, me, or her mother, but arriving this morning: Jillian Nicole Brubaker 8 lb 6 oz 20 inches FEET FIRST, by Caesarian. Mother and baby are doing great! Mike ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050607185042.01715cf8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:50:42 From: CB Subject: RE: Can you hear me now? >Ah, but they don't really know if tinnitus is caused from overexposure to loud sounds. Hearing loss is definitely tied to exposure and/or heredity, but the jury is still out with tinnitus. Lots of causes are suspected. With overexposure to loud noises being the chief suspect with many other accomplices and minor perpetrators. I wouldn't take this lists advice about tinnitus any more than I would a heart murmur. I love you guys, but I'd se and MD in both cases. See the doc. I've done my time in the rock world, on both sides of the amps, and I still have better eharing than most folk my age. I still get odd looks from audiologists, and I still end up testing at least twice, 'cause they don't think I should be haering what thier gear says I'm hearing. From my previous posts, I think its because I'm happy with what little I have, and have no need to compensate for anything. 'Cept maybe ego. ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050607185722.01715cf8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:57:22 From: CB Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: AOL workaround] ><< Faster workaround -- Open the write mail dialog, right click in the body > of the message and select "Compose in plain text." >> > >Well, is it? To originate mail, yes. I rarely do this. To reply to mail, you >would have to open the message, select the parts to be replied to, copy them >to the clipboard. open the 'write mail' dialogue, enter the address, paste the >clipboard to the mail, write your response, and then select the format. I'll givethe same clue that I give those in recorded Q&A sessions that just can't wait for the mic to come around. "If your response isn't important enough for you to wait to get it on tape, the purpose of this, by the way, then its probably not important enough to take up our time." If your reply doesn't merit this, we're probably not interested in it either. Nor are we interested in the responses of those that still can't seem to get it together enough to, at very least, trim their replies of thier previous posts that haven't been trimmed by the person the responded to them in the first place. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:26:12 -0400 Subject: Re: New ???? From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Congratulations Mike! > FEET FIRST Future dancer? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A65B11.4090501 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:42:25 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Can you hear me now? References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > I think I can > still tell a Steinway from a Bosendorfer. > What has hearing got to do with that? The Bosendorfer is the one with the whole passel of extra keys at the bottom end and the really thin spruce sides. You can also tell by the presence of a guard who is better armed than an Israeli paratrooper screaming "GET AWAY FROM THAT! IT'S A BOSENDORFER!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:02:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Myth or Fact????? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OSHA takes a very dim view on obliterating labels or other information printed, embossed or otherwise affixed to a lifting device. Painting the shackles is not a problem as long as you can still read the size, load rating, etc. Writing your name in big black letters across the label of a roundsling in the futile hope that it won't get stolen (it will anyway) may render said sling, in the eyes of an OSHA representative, un-useable. Even if it is brand spanking new. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/7/05 2:21 PM, Jerry Dougherty at jerrydougherty [at] earthlink.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message-----. > > So, is it a myth or a fact that painting a shackle with spray paint is > bad? > > ------------------------------ > > Well, in my recent past life with the Army, I became the expert on shackles > for all of the National Guard brigade deploying from the Western U.S. Of > all the things on vehicles that get painted green or tan, shackles are the > only thing that don't get painted. Look at a photo of the new Stryker > vehicles and the only identifiable feature on the front is the Crosby > shackle. Why don't we paint them? Two reasons. First, too much paint on > the pin and it won't fit through the tie-down point on the vehicle (not an > issue with round slings). Second, too much paint would cover the > manufacturer's markings on the shoulder. Since the Army only is "supposed" > to used domestic shackles, the manufacturer's mark is important. If it's > not a Crosby or a Columbus-McKinnon, into the trash it goes. > > I don't see a problem with painting shackles. The logic for not doing it > just isn't there. Paint is a preservative. > > Now I wouldn't mark my round slings that way... > > Jerry > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Myth or Fact????? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Sure does! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:03 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Myth or Fact????? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- OSHA takes a very dim view on obliterating labels or other information printed, embossed or otherwise affixed to a lifting device. Painting = the shackles is not a problem as long as you can still read the size, load rating, etc. Writing your name in big black letters across the label of = a roundsling in the futile hope that it won't get stolen (it will anyway) = may render said sling, in the eyes of an OSHA representative, un-useable. = Even if it is brand spanking new. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit = ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/7/05 2:21 PM, Jerry Dougherty at jerrydougherty [at] earthlink.net = wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > -----Original Message-----. >=20 > So, is it a myth or a fact that painting a shackle with spray paint is > bad? >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Well, in my recent past life with the Army, I became the expert on = shackles > for all of the National Guard brigade deploying from the Western U.S. = Of > all the things on vehicles that get painted green or tan, shackles are = the > only thing that don't get painted. Look at a photo of the new Stryker > vehicles and the only identifiable feature on the front is the Crosby > shackle. Why don't we paint them? Two reasons. First, too much = paint on > the pin and it won't fit through the tie-down point on the vehicle = (not an > issue with round slings). Second, too much paint would cover the > manufacturer's markings on the shoulder. Since the Army only is = "supposed" > to used domestic shackles, the manufacturer's mark is important. If = it's > not a Crosby or a Columbus-McKinnon, into the trash it goes. >=20 > I don't see a problem with painting shackles. The logic for not doing = it > just isn't there. Paint is a preservative. >=20 > Now I wouldn't mark my round slings that way... >=20 > Jerry >=20 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3766f6f91f97f4b4884878944c1f76f8 [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: New ???? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:03:50 -0400 Congratulations, Mike! > >> FEET FIRST > > Future dancer? > Naah. Paratrooper. -=Greg=- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42A66ACC.50208 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:49:32 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: drawbridge References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: . Remember, the bridge is heaviest when it is "down" and it > gets lighter as it rises, so start with counterweith that is about > half the weight of the drawbridge and experiment until you get fine > the best weight for your operators. > I wish I could recall where I saw this... Hang two chains from the grid, separated about 15" or so... Connect the two chains with lengths of threaded rod, so as to make a ladder, and trapped between the rungs and the sides of the ladder are a series of single or paired stage weights. The bottoms of the chains are then connected to a cable that runs over another sheave (or sheaves) at the grid and down to the drawbridge. When the draw bridge is fully raised, the weights are all supported from the grid. As the bridge lowers, the weights are progressively added to the counter weight against the weight of the bridge. At the point where the bridge is all the way down, the entire counterweight stack is hanging from the cable to the bridge. The original article also noted that as each weight rolled from the grid side to the bridge side, there were inevitable clunks and rattles which just added to the effect. Since I don't believe the weight transfer is a linear relation, this design allows you to add counterweight slowly at first, say one weight every two feet, and then later use as many weights in a foot as will still allow the "ladder" to flex as it lifts. Hope this helps. Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:01:55 -0400 Subject: Not getting messages From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0D933C74-D7D2-11D9-A0EE-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net> Noah, The last message I got was "Subject: Re: Multi core cable life expectancy/Still curious" Is there any messages? I'm missing 2 days with out stage craft mailing list. I don't know why. I'm getting the sound mailing list and yahoo groups. Is the list down? or is it me? Thanks Noah, Seth Richardson ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Can you hear me now? Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:17:19 -0400 I used to work with a piano rental service that would load in and out a Bosendorfer by himself (and every other piano he owned). He didn't want anyone getting hurt moving one of his pianos. He was terrified of liability. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0e989a7214879ff493f6ad7229dc6e50 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Not getting messages Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:34:26 -0700 On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Seth Richardson wrote: > The last message I got was "Subject: Re: Multi core cable life > expectancy/Still curious" > Is there any messages? I'm missing 2 days with out stage craft mailing > list. I don't know why. Seth is back, turns out adelphia bounced but it was temporary. You can catch up on messages you've missed at Thanks, Noah ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003f01c56be4$1a7afb30$8f1dd8cf [at] pamscomputer> From: "Pamela Abra" References:

Subject: beautiful pianos Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:39:48 -0700 Talking about beautiful pianos...check out this link and picture # 22 in his journal section. (chapter 28) http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/newmomentsframe.html Another picture is in Chapter 29, # 5. http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/newmomentsframe.html Enjoy Pamela I once saw a Chickoring Grand for sale at Harrods years ago; I wish I had taken a picture of it. ----- Original Message ----- I used to work with a piano rental service that would load in and out a Bosendorfer by himself (and every other piano he owned). He didn't want anyone getting hurt moving one of his pianos. He was terrified of liability. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:05:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Getting messages From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Thanks Noah, Back.. Seth On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 12:34 AM, Noah Price wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Seth Richardson wrote: > >> The last message I got was "Subject: Re: Multi core cable life >> expectancy/Still curious" >> Is there any messages? I'm missing 2 days with out stage craft >> mailing list. I don't know why. > > Seth is back, turns out adelphia bounced but it was temporary. > > You can catch up on messages you've missed at > > > Thanks, > > Noah > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:12:02 -0400 Subject: Re: beautiful pianos From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 12:39 AM, Pamela Abra wrote: > > Talking about beautiful pianos...check out this link and picture # 22 > in his journal section. (chapter 28) > http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/newmomentsframe.html > http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/photos/jour28/jour28-22.html > Another picture is in Chapter 29, # 5. > http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/newmomentsframe.html > http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/photos/jour29/jour29-5.html That a nice one... http://www.oscarpeterson.com/op/journal29.html Also see Photo 9 and 10 Ahhh to be Back, Seth ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #421 *****************************