Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23075789; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:00:32 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #427 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:00:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #427 1. Re: vw people symbols by "C. Andrew Dunning" 2. Flashlight Replacement by "Stephen E. Rees" 3. Re: Flashlight Replacement by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 4. Re: AOL workaround] by Dorian Kelly 5. Chain Hoist Question by "Andy Leviss" 6. Re: Is it too good to be true? by Jerry Durand 7. Re: Is it too good to be true? by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 8. audio cables by Bill Schaffell 9. Re: audio cables by "Tony Deeming" 10. london theatres by rodok [at] telus.net 11. Re: Sound Levels? by "Abby Downing" 12. Re: Flashlight Replacement by Greg Bierly 13. Re: Sound Levels? by CB 14. Re: Sound Levels? by CB 15. Re: Sound Levels? by CB 16. Re: Flashlight Replacement by "Josh Ratty" 17. Re: Sound Levels? by CB 18. Re: Sound Levels? by CB 19. Re: Flashlight Replacement by Mat Goebel 20. Re: vw people symbols by ken frederickson 21. LHAT??? by "Steve Jones" 22. Re: LHAT??? by "Stephen E. Rees" 23. Portable Lighting Consoles by James Feinberg 24. Re: Sound Levels? by Jerry Durand 25. Re: Portable Lighting Consoles by Jerry Durand 26. Re: Sound Levels? by Charlie Richmond 27. Re: london theatres by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Sound Levels? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: Portable Lighting Consoles by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 30. Re: Sound Levels? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. we're getting old by "David R. Krajec" 32. Re: Sound Levels? by Jerry Durand 33. Re: AOL workaround] by Andrew Vance 34. Re: Sound Levels? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: Portable Lighting Consoles by "Daniel O'Donnell" 36. Re: we're getting old by "Fred Schoening" 37. Re: Sound Levels? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 38. Re: we're getting old by Andrew Vance 39. advice on mounting a boom position by "David R. Krajec" 40. Re: Sound Levels? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 41. Spell Czech by Michael Powers 42. Re: Sound Levels? by "Tony Deeming" 43. Re: Sound Levels? by "Tony Deeming" 44. Re: advice on mounting a boom position by "Steven Haworth" 45. Re: Flashlight Replacement by "Jon Lagerquist" 46. Re: Flashlight Replacement by Boyd Ostroff 47. Re: advice on mounting a boom position by Steve Larson 48. Re: advice on mounting a boom position by "James, Brian" 49. Re: we're getting old by "Don Taco" 50. Vermont electrician licensing by "Jared Fortney" 51. Re: we're getting old by John Bracewell 52. Re: Sound Levels? by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 53. Re: Sound Levels? by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 54. Re: audio cables by Seth Richardson 55. Re: advice on mounting a boom position by Seth Richardson 56. Re: AOL workaround by MissWisc [at] aol.com 57. Re: Portable Lighting Consoles by "Bill Nelson" 58. Re: Portable Lighting Consoles by "Jon Ares" 59. Re: Sound Levels? by "Bill Nelson" 60. Re: Flashlight Replacement by Seth Richardson 61. Re: Portable Lighting Consoles by "Bill Nelson" 62. Re: Vermont electrician licensing by Seth Richardson 63. Re: we're getting old by Tony Miller *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: vw people symbols Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:54:52 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken - >I can copy the symbol out of an older drawing...but i only >have 2 and i remember there being many different symbols.... >they are named MAN5,MAN9, GROUP1,GROUP 3,... I found symbols w. similar names in some old VW Toolkit folders. Probably v8 or older. Look for a file called "00_Graphic Elements" in the Architectural Toolkit or a file called "Symbols_Landscape" in the Landscape Toolkit. Both are in sub-folders called "Symbols." These seem to be 2D-only (though I didn't spend a ton of time looking at them) and seem to be modeled after the now-extinct Amoeba race. Is this what you were seeking? C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42AD9984.4010902 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:34:44 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Flashlight Replacement Hi All, So now that I have lost (or maybe had stolen) my Scorpion flashlight, a replacement is in order. Pity, I really liked its size and brightness even though I hated the cost of the batteries it used. Question of the morning - what do folks like these days for a belt-worn flashlight? Are the LED units out there a better choice than incandescent? I need to order a new something by the end of the week so a quick reply is hoped for. Many Thanks and Very Best, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:11:20 +0000 Message-Id: <061320051511.10575.42ADA217000C02240000294F21603759640E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> look at surefire, you can buy the 123 lithiums [at] $15. usd for a box of 12. Also the E1E with an led head is nice. Led brightness isn't going to compete with the Scorpion though... Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stephen E. Rees" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi All, > So now that I have lost (or maybe had stolen) my Scorpion flashlight, a > replacement is in order. Pity, I really liked its size and brightness > even though I hated the cost of the batteries it used. Question of the > morning - what do folks like these days for a belt-worn flashlight? Are > the LED units out there a better choice than incandescent? I need to > order a new something by the end of the week so a quick reply is hoped for. > Many Thanks and Very Best, > Steve Rees, TD > SUNY-Fredonia > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:21:48 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: AOL workaround] I missed the first part of this thread so I am not sure whether this has been covered, but here goes anyway I send jpeg graphics from my mac as attachments to a whole lot of people, every one of whom usually is able to open them satisfactorily - except to the guy who runs an association website I contribute to. He is on AOL. I send in every possible combination of compressed, uncompressed, mime encoded, bin hex - you name it I've tried sending in it, but he still insists he cannot open my attachments. He just says its a mac thing and i finish up by sending him CDs thro the post. Is there anything I can do or persuade him to do? Dorian ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: Chain Hoist Question Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:03:16 -0400 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <005101c57018$43b887a0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> Hey gang, Quick question for those with more of a familiarity with the intimate parts of chain hoists--will a short in the control line (ie, up and down shorting together) cause any serious issue, beyond the motor not working until it's fixed, or do the hoists generally include some sort of protection for this? I'd imagine they include something along the lines of a NC relay such that signal for one direction will open up the other to protect it from getting voltage simultaneously in both directions (or the functional equivalent), but the diagrams in the manual I've looked at (for a CM Prostar) is rather hard to decode as far as that's concerned (either that or I'm just being stupid). Thanks in advance, Andy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050613090521.03979170 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:07:17 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Is it too good to be true? In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:02 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: >Not surprising. Even with all the information on ebay about foreign scams, >there are hundreds of people that fall for them every day - each one for >thousands of dollars. I caught the end of a CNN special on that last night. The hacker they were interviewing said they got responses to about 10% of the phish mail they send out. He was making up to $20,000 a DAY doing this. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050613162217.45795.qmail [at] web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: Is it too good to be true? In-Reply-To: --- Jerry Durand wrote: ... The hacker they were > interviewing said they got responses to about 10% of > the phish mail they > send out. He was making up to $20,000 a DAY doing > this. "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." attributed to H L Mencken "There's a sucker born every minute." wrongly attributed to P T Barnum http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42ADC6BA.4070601 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:47:38 -0700 From: Bill Schaffell Subject: audio cables References: This morning I went to my daughters elementary school to set up a backdrop for their talent show. I ended up troubleshooting the year old portable sound system. They had a bad speaker cable and an XLR mic cable that were in need of replacement. No matter how many times I tell teachers and the janitor not to coil cables around their elbow or yank on connectors it happens. My question: Do we replace these cables with something of higher quality that can take the abuse or stick the DJ quality and just replace it more often? Your thoughts? Thanks, Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: audio cables Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:00:46 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Working as I do with loads of am-drams who SHOULD know better but seem not to, I'd say go for the decent quality plugs with proper cable strain relief. It won't stop the most determined 'pullers' but it will give you a bit more life. No matter what you do with the cable, if they continually yank and twist & wind about the elbows then you WILL get intermittent faults as a result. Again, better quality cable will help, but only for so long. If you use cheap stuff though, you'll be doing the repairs more often and on more cables. Ynot -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill Schaffell Sent: 13 June 2005 18:48 To: Stagecraft Subject: audio cables For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- This morning I went to my daughters elementary school to set up a backdrop for their talent show. I ended up troubleshooting the year old portable sound system. They had a bad speaker cable and an XLR mic cable that were in need of replacement. No matter how many times I tell teachers and the janitor not to coil cables around their elbow or yank on connectors it happens. My question: Do we replace these cables with something of higher quality that can take the abuse or stick the DJ quality and just replace it more often? Your thoughts? Thanks, Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1118686341.42adcc857b43e [at] webmail.telus.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:12:21 -0700 From: rodok [at] telus.net Subject: london theatres I'm hoping to visit London UK August 2nd to 9th and am wondering if anyone on list would entertain the idea of touring me around your theatre and maybe sharing a pint. Rod Osiowy Wild Theatre Cranbrook, BC 250-426-5241 x.610 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Sound Levels? Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA2A05D7 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" I know lighting- not sound. What is SPL? Sound pressure level? Thanks, and pardon my ignorance. Just trying to learn something new. Abby -----Original Message----- From: Adam Fitchett [mailto:adam [at] fitchtech.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:14 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Sound Levels? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I apologize, the phrase that I left out was: for a doubling in level "as perceived by the ear" is a +10dB increase. A +6dB difference would be a=20 doubling in voltage or SPL. And impedance should remain constant within a given system, so why would one need to account for that? -Adam Fitchett FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/06/05 14:54:50 GMT Daylight Time, adam [at] fitchtech.net=20 >writes: > > =20 > >>Almost. A +3dB increase is a doubling in power (from 100 watts->200=20 >> watts). For doubling in level it is a +10dB increase. And typically the=20 >> just noticeable difference in sound level is 1dB, most every one should=20 >> notice a 3dB change. >> Ahh, my sound Prof would be so proud. :) >> =20 >> > >He'ld be wrong. By the strict definitions, yes 3dB is double the power. 6dB=20 >is double the level. Bu youu need to consider the impedances, as well. Go back=20 >to your notes, or to the textbooks. Define level. > > >Frank Wood > > =20 > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:45:32 -0400 I have been carrying the Streamlight Twintask on my belt for two years now. It is very solid. The LED's are very bright and the high intensity lamp is brighter. It still uses the CR123's but if you are mostly using the LED's they last a pretty long time. Its drawbacks are the you have to cycle between off-LED-off-BRITE-off-LED and so on and it is not focusable and has a pretty broad light especially for the Bright setting. I still carry my Sure-Fire in my bag for when I need a REALLY bright light. I do keep a Photon on my Lanyard for finding light switches and keyholes in the dark. I like the Photon with the latching switch. I am a recovering flashlightaholic so I have been forbidden to buy all the latest lights but I have been seeing some really nice looking LED's out there. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050613120604.017f0ea0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:06:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound Levels? >I read C.B.'s diatribe to mean that only "Sound Guys" are qualified to >decide what is too loud (doesn't matter if MY ears hurt), and if the >local AHJ (the cop with the Rat Shack meter) tells you it's too loud, >that the proper response is to bury him in jargon until he goes away. >What happened to due diligence here, and the duty not to harm those >around you? You may have missed the definition of 'Sound Guy" that I gave earlier. Same with "rigger". Just because the guy flies kids over the audience on some spit and bailing wire contraption that he made in his garage, that doesn't make him a rigger. Just because he is behind a dinner table full of knobs, switches, sliders and blinkin' lights, that doesn't make him a sound guy. You can tell the sound guy, he's the one that you don't notice 'til the lights come up. My ears begin to clamp down long before anyone else's that I know (other than one guy, but that's an illness/syndrome). My gig is to make the sound as loud as necessary to use things other than sheer volume to convey power when needed, and to insure enjoyment of the show. If I instill pain in my vict... uh, audience, I'm doing something seriously wrong, and really don't deserve the title "soundman". And if the AHJ sends a representative that doesn't know what the hell he is doing, my responsibility is to: first, my audience, second, the performers, third, the promoter, fourth, the house. The cop that is taking the complaint of a neighbor that moved into a business that is a block from an outdoor venue is down on my list. Especially if that neighbor is calling in a complaint about the band when the levels that I'm producing (at his house) are lower than those of an idling automobile. I'd no more take advice on the mix from some janitor or house manager than Mr. Sapsis would about hanging a 20,000 lb. heavy thing. What was I to make of the guy that leaned over the console all red-faced and veins sticking out on his neck screaming at me that I don't know what I'm doing and "why is it so loud" and "this kind of music isn't supposed to be so loud"? What about when I noticed thathe had a hearing aid in BOTH ears? Do I turn it down to match the levels of his hearing aid to the detriment of the entire rest of the audience and the levels set by their producer? I carry earplugs, and have been known to hand them out as I see the need. I've stopped shows in metal and punk rck type venues when small children have been brought in, and I've handed more plugs to mom & dad coming to see their son play or taking their daughter to see a show, etc, than I've given to crew. That's a ton 'o' plugs, cause I hand 'em out like candy. If I am a 'Sound Guy' (tm), you don't have to worry about due dilligence and the duty to do no harm. Those are part of the creed, brother. >CB, I hope I read you wrong! Feel better now? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050613121236.017f0ea0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:12:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound Levels? >Someone said that clip was >way too loud, but the Dolby guy said Doncha wish there had been a 'Sound Guy' (tm) there at the time? >They mentioned that there was a problem with theaters turning down >the sound so the mixers are mixing louder. The problem is that there is no longer anyone in a theatre that knows anything anymore. There used to be union projectionists, now there are popcorn sales teens running the house. It really isn't hard to calibrate a THX house if you know anything about sound. The problems begin when some guy in post-house in Hollywood (or Sna Fran) decides he's gonna mix in three thousand theatres across the country from his edit suite. Its a daunting task, and he's bound to get at least a couple hundred really wrong. Tell us how you'd feel if the ticket guy at your local theatre was called out to do the pyro with a half hour of instruction? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050613122802.017f0ea0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:28:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound Levels? >My friend, I suggest that you study the subject a little. *Sigh* The rest of you understood what I was saying, right? I don't need to explain this? Should I get more specific and pedantic, or was this clear to anyone else who cared? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:31:07 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Message-id: <02d701c5704e$73720760$0301000a [at] Rattys> References: I'm a big fan of my Surefire. Bright little sucker. Uses special batteries or you can get a rechargeable setup that makes it a little bit longer. They make a number of different models. Good luck Josh Ratty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen E. Rees" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Flashlight Replacement > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi All, > So now that I have lost (or maybe had stolen) my Scorpion flashlight, a > replacement is in order. Pity, I really liked its size and brightness > even though I hated the cost of the batteries it used. Question of the > morning - what do folks like these days for a belt-worn flashlight? Are > the LED units out there a better choice than incandescent? I need to > order a new something by the end of the week so a quick reply is hoped for. > Many Thanks and Very Best, > Steve Rees, TD > SUNY-Fredonia > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050613124301.017f0ea0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:43:01 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound Levels? >> Maybe not so much. On a log scale, +3 dB doubles the power. 3 dB is the >> smallest increment that is 'normally' perceived as a change in program >> material, 1 dB having that sidtinction with tone, or other 'constant' >> signals, and +10 dB is what it takes for the signal to have 'seemed' to >> double for a listener. > >Now I'll jump in with a slightly dissenting opinion, based on what is, of >course, all subjective measurements but which are the ones I have always relied >on: It completely depends on the nature of the material and the acoustics what >increase in level can be perceived Yah, Charlie, this is why I sued 'normally', and 'seemed'. Not to mention 'constant'. You and I would have a hugely different conversation about sound than I would post ona list of mostly-not-sound-guys. Whether 'most' people agree that 6 dB increase seems like double or a 10 dB increase does is still a bit up in teh air. I was suggesting that his Prof was in teh 10 dB camp and maybe he was mistaken in what he remembered. At least, that was what I was hoping. >Dan made his faders go from 0-10 just >like lighting consoles with 0 being off and 10 being full on. Each point >represented a 6dB gain change (or what he considered to be a rough doubling of >the apparent volume) and had marks for 1/2 (3dB) and 1/4 (1.5dB) increments >between each point. I like a log fader. I don't particularly care for the linear response of this type of fader, and the 64 position switch that Frank speaks of is right out. I operated, years ago, one of Dan's designs, and almost felt as if I had nothing to do. Once I designed the system for the theatre we were in, the levels were almost always releative to one another. This was back when he was the only person I knew that could record their own CD's, and I had to have him ship me three, eventually. I also mixed for one of his 'sudents' who would respond to the director's "it's not loud enough!" with "Hey, Chris! Take this up 1 dB!" ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050613125018.017f0ea0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound Levels? >With this, I disagree strongly. BBC practice was to use 1dB increments as >imperceptible. *sigh* Here we go... Frank, see where it says that "3 dB is the smallest increment that is 'normally' perceived as a change in program material, 1 dB having that distinction with tone, or other 'constant' signals"? That was the important part. Seeing as the Beeb probably hardly ever (read: probably hardly ever) sent out tones or 'constant' signals (Note: there are those little ' thingies around the word constant), a one dB change wouldn't be as perceptable to those listening. However, even you (I hope) can discerna 1 dB change. To try, go here: Trip down the page to "How big is a decibel? " Click on the flash player 'play button. If you can't discern the level change, I don't think you should post so much about sound anymore... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:44:37 -0700 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement In-Reply-To: References:

I too am a surefire fan. I've had an A2 for about a year and half. It's the best tool I've ever owned. The LED lowbeam is great for almost all uses, and the highbeam covers anything else I would ever want to look at. Since I generally use the lowbeam, batteries last quite while (4-6 months) considering how regularly I use it. Buying batteries from surefire is very reasonable too. If you're in a pinch, you can usually get surefire batteries at a local gun store, but they will be *much* pricier. I also have a photonlight on my key chain for finding light switches and other minor stuff, but I highly recommend the A2. Let me just say some nice things about surefire as a company. They have some of the most outstanding customer service I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. I (through abuse) broke the tailcap on my A2. I called them, and they sent me out a replacement free of charge, 2-day shipping, the works. I can't say enough good things about them or the great experience I have had with their products. > > > > Hi All, > > So now that I have lost (or maybe had stolen) my Scorpion flashlight, a > > replacement is in order. Pity, I really liked its size and brightness > > even though I hated the cost of the batteries it used. Question of the > > morning - what do folks like these days for a belt-worn flashlight? Ar= e > > the LED units out there a better choice than incandescent? I need to > > order a new something by the end of the week so a quick reply is hoped > for. --=20 Mat Goebel Audio Engineer / Sound Designer www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050613202636.10211.qmail [at] web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: ken frederickson Subject: Re: vw people symbols Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com In-Reply-To: thats it exactly.!!!!thankyou!. --- "C. Andrew Dunning" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ken - > > >I can copy the symbol out of an older drawing...but > i only > >have 2 and i remember there being many different > symbols.... > >they are named MAN5,MAN9, GROUP1,GROUP 3,... > > I found symbols w. similar names in some old VW > Toolkit folders. Probably > v8 or older. Look for a file called "00_Graphic > Elements" in the > Architectural Toolkit or a file called > "Symbols_Landscape" in the Landscape > Toolkit. Both are in sub-folders called "Symbols." > > These seem to be 2D-only (though I didn't spend a > ton of time looking at > them) and seem to be modeled after the now-extinct > Amoeba race. Is this > what you were seeking? > > C. Andrew Dunning > Landru Design > - > Nashville, TN > - > cad [at] landrudesign.com > www.landrudesign.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: LHAT??? Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:36:52 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone on the list belong to LHAT? I've looked over their website - but can you tell me what experiences you have had, and what value (or lack thereof) you've experienced? Also, what level you are a member at? Thanks! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42ADF026.9090104 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:44:22 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: LHAT??? References: Steve Yes, the 1891 Fredonia Opera House is a member. I can put you in touch with the right folks there tomorrow. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Steve Jones wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone on the list belong to LHAT? I've looked over their website - but can > you tell me what experiences you have had, and what value (or lack thereof) > you've experienced? Also, what level you are a member at? > > Thanks! > > Steve > > ************************************* > Steve Jones, Director > Plaza Theatre > 115 E. Main Street > Glasgow, KY 42141 > Voice: (270) 361-2101 > Fax: (270) 651-2511 > http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:03:22 -0700 Subject: Portable Lighting Consoles From: James Feinberg Message-Id: <939ADB1C-DC4E-11D9-BF8C-00039367B7D4 [at] sandiego.edu> Thanks to all for the many useful thoughts on pipe grids. Now, a new question: Can anyone recommend a suitable lighting control console (DMX-based) for a black box theatre with no booth? This means that most of the time, when the theatre is used as a classroom under worklight, the console will be tucked away in a back room (although probably not very securely). Right now we're talking 48 dimmers and no moving lights, but I suspect (hope!) we'll get some more equipment within the lifespan of the console. I'm looking at an ETC Express 125, but I'd really like something smaller. We can probably do without the submaster/channel fader section of most consoles. If ETC still made the MicroVision, that would probably be perfect. I'm also looking into PC-based control, probably running on a laptop. I found lots of good links in the archives from the last round of discussion on this in April, so I'm poking around those. But if you've got personal experience with any of these systems, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks again, --James Feinberg University of San Diego ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050613140443.029b41c8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:08:18 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In-Reply-To: References: At 05:12 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote: >Tell us how you'd feel if the ticket guy at your local theatre was called >out to do the pyro with a half hour of instruction? As you already know, he could help haul stuff, maybe touch the live product, maybe if he doesn't make us nervous. The sound problem I was referring to is the theaters turn down the sound levels because of complaints. The guy mixing the film hears about the level being turned down, so he bumps the level up to compensate. Of course, it's now way too loud in theaters that are at the calibrated level, so THEY turn it down. So much for calibration. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050613141419.03708a30 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:15:10 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Portable Lighting Consoles In-Reply-To: References: At 02:03 PM 6/13/2005, you wrote: >I'm also looking into PC-based control, probably running on a laptop. >I found lots of good links in the archives from the last round of >discussion on this in April, so I'm poking around those. But if you've >got personal experience with any of these systems, I'd love to hear about it. [commercial on] Check out the SmartLight software from EdgeView that runs on our box. [commercial off] ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:46:41 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, CB wrote: > I like a log fader. I don't particularly care for the linear response of Dan did use log faders. You have to use log faders for audio ;-) But I certainly understand where you're coming from, of course.... Dan and I are old buds and I learned a lot from him in the early days (he's older than me ;-) so you will have to be careful here... The only time I really had a lot of trouble with his system of numbering was when I put in seriously log faders into some consoles we made for the Stratford Festival of Canada in the early 70s. We ended up with a level of '1' at about 1/3 of the way up the fader - not to say that it was used much below that, but we had to come up some creative numbers less than that. We ended up dividing 0 to 1 into 10 more points (.1-.9) Our digital consoles started out with a 0-100 system, more closely mirroring the computer lighting systems yet again.... The MIDI system of 0-127 works well in this respect since we make unity gain usually correspond with a level of 100, giving a good marging of gain headroom... > this type of fader, and the 64 position switch that Frank speaks of is > right out. I operated, years ago, one of Dan's designs, and almost felt as Yeah. We threw out a 'recording console' that was designed by broadcast guys when we took over a studio in the early 70s. It had all switched attenuators and you could hear every step even though they were 'real small'... > when he was the only person I knew that could record their own CD's, and I > had to have him ship me three, eventually. Do you mean they weren't readable or they had to be changed for new levels? > I also mixed for one of his 'sudents' who would respond to the director's > "it's not loud enough!" with "Hey, Chris! Take this up 1 dB!" I know that one real well ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" + ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <205.39239fa.2fdf5b7a [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:58:18 EDT Subject: Re: london theatres In a message dated 13/06/05 19:13:04 GMT Daylight Time, rodok [at] telus.net writes: > I'm hoping to visit London UK August 2nd to 9th and am wondering if anyone on > > list would entertain the idea of touring me around your theatre and maybe > sharing a pint. I should love to do both. Unfortunately, I shall be in France, where I spend much of the summer. Maybe some other time. Or possibly, the Theatre Manager might do it herself, or put you in touch with someone. look at http://questors.org.uk. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.3dc45c56.2fdf5e15 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:09:25 EDT Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In a message dated 13/06/05 19:29:10 GMT Daylight Time, aldowning [at] onlocationls.com writes: > I know lighting- not sound. What is SPL? Sound pressure level? > > Thanks, and pardon my ignorance. Just trying to learn something new. Yes. It is normally expressed in dB, with a refeence level of 0.0002 uBar. Most often, the measurement is made with a frequency weighting. 'A' weighting is the most usual, which approximates to the response of the human ear, and these are quoted as dBA. Other weightings are sometimes used, but not often. Other factors, such as integration times are sometimes applied: actually measuring sound levels is less than straightforward. But this is always the starting point. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Portable Lighting Consoles Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:09:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c57064$a46c7920$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand said: > [commercial on] > Check out the SmartLight software from EdgeView that runs on=20 > our box. [commercial off] I'm very familiar with Smartlight. It's pretty good for what it is (especially for what it and Jerry's USB/DMX adaptor will cost you), but there are several important features that it lacks, including: 1. An effects routine, or even any way to "Link to cue ###" to create infinite loops. It does have autofollows; there's just no way to link backwards to create the loop. 2. Proportional patching. 3. Dimmer profiles. 4. Submasters (it does have groups, but they work differently than = you're probably accustomed to). Some really nice things about it: The folks at Edgeview are extremely helpful and are very receptive to suggestions. It has a "protected" cue type. If a protected cue is in the middle of a sequence of cues that new levels are being tracked through, the tracking will leapfrog around the protected cue. A very handy feature. It's very intuitive. My recommendation is that if the features that are lacking are important = to you, talk to the folks at Edgeview and see if they plan to include them = in the next version (I've been lobbying for a true effects routine; it = wouldn't hurt if they heard it from others, too). If the answer is yes (or if = those features are not important to you), then you should consider it. If you have any questions about the software, feel free to ask me either here or off-list. If you have questions about Jerry's interface, ask = him; all I know about it is that it always works when I power it up. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:29:05 EDT Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In a message dated 13/06/05 19:56:36 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >They mentioned that there was a problem with theaters turning down > >the sound so the mixers are mixing louder. Eh?!!! Just think about that statement. If the theatre management has turned the wick down, how the hell do you do 'louder'? Maybe you drive the compressor harder. If you think that this will make the sound you want the audience to hear, OK. > > The problem is that there is no longer anyone in a theatre that knows > anything anymore. There used to be union projectionists, now there are > popcorn sales teens running the house. It really isn't hard to calibrate a > THX house if you know anything about sound. Or any other system. You operate it within its engineering limits, with a bit of headroom left over. Then, you listen to it, which is one of the things that you are paid to do, and apply your educated and experienced judgement to what you hear, and adjust it. But, you do need to know what you are doing. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: we're getting old Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: You know you're getting old when you go back to your elementary school and it has been turned into a senior recreation center! David K. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050613153032.029d2750 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:31:08 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In-Reply-To: References: At 03:29 PM 6/13/2005, you wrote: > > >They mentioned that there was a problem with theaters turning down > > >the sound so the mixers are mixing louder. > >Eh?!!! Just think about that statement. If the theatre management has turned >the wick down, how the hell do you do 'louder'? Maybe you drive the >compressor >harder. If you think that this will make the sound you want the audience to >hear, OK. You set the level "recorded" on the film higher. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <95FA7CAE-9E90-4044-ADAF-807B738AB374 [at] andrewvance.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: AOL workaround] Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:34:48 -0500 On 13 Jun, 2005, at 10:21, Dorian Kelly wrote: > I send jpeg graphics from my mac as attachments ... I don't know if your friend is running Mac or Windows [though I suspect he is]. The following may be helpful. I don't know many people on AOL and those I don't send files to those I do, so I don't know how this ill work with AOL. I sometimes have problems sending attachments to Windows machines. Fortunately, if you're using Apple's Mail program, there's an option to "Send Windows Friendly Attachments" in the Attach dialog box. [I think you can also set it to always send attachments that are Windows friendly, but then you'll have to manually uncheck it when sending attachments to other Macs.] I'm not a Macintosh engineer or anything, but I've been told that Windows machines have trouble deciphering the resource forks that Apple uses to identify file types and whatnot which are included when you attach files to e-mails. The "Windows Friendly" option doesn't send those, so should be easier to open. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer www.andrewvance.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <46.6b57432a.2fdf65b3 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:41:55 EDT Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In a message dated 13/06/05 20:34:10 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >Dan made his faders go from 0-10 just > >like lighting consoles with 0 being off and 10 being full on. Each point > >represented a 6dB gain change (or what he considered to be a rough > doubling of > >the apparent volume) and had marks for 1/2 (3dB) and 1/4 (1.5dB) increments > > >between each point. > > I like a log fader. I don't particularly care for the linear response of > this type of fader, and the 64 position switch that Frank speaks of is > right out. I don't think that you appreciated what I meant. This was a logarithmic fader, using individual; high precision resistors to generate the law. It was an expensive option, but reliable, And, operationally successful. In their day, the BBC must have has many thousands of them. They were highly reliable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Portable Lighting Consoles Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:42:28 -0400 On Jun 13, 2005, at 5:03 PM, James Feinberg wrote: > I'm looking at an ETC Express 125, but I'd really like something > smaller. We can probably do without the submaster/channel fader > section of most consoles. If ETC still made the MicroVision, that > would probably be perfect. The 125 could possibly be the second best console in the world for 95% of the world (With the 250 being the top). The subs work out great for black boxes because you can put some looks in them and then people who only know enough to be dangerous can be allowed to use them. > I'm also looking into PC-based control, probably running on a > laptop. I found lots of good links in the archives from the last > round of discussion on this in April, so I'm poking around those. > But if you've got personal experience with any of these systems, > I'd love to hear about it. To quote a current award winning Broadway show... "Run away, run away". Get a dedicated console. Having used software boards way too often I find that I am just about ready to pick up the entire computer and toss it out the window. For speed and accuracy of programing the show they are lacking quite a bit. Also, they act flakey too often. The same key will sometimes raise a level 10%, sometimes 1%, sometimes change channel, sometimes do nothing. And it all depends on atmospheric conditions, moon phase, and the position of the left hand of the third dancer on the right during the solo number. --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ From: "Fred Schoening" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu Subject: RE: we're getting old Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c57069$5bbee000$1f8afea9 [at] PRODIGALBRAIN> In-Reply-To: ...especially if the same people are there! -----Original Message-------------------------------------------------------- You know you're getting old when you go back to your elementary school and it has been turned into a senior recreation center! David K. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19f.35ad7e09.2fdf67e3 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:51:15 EDT Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In a message dated 13/06/05 20:34:21 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >With this, I disagree strongly. BBC practice was to use 1dB increments as > >imperceptible. > > *sigh* Here we go... > Frank, see where it says that "3 dB is the smallest increment that is > 'normally' perceived as a change in program material, 1 dB having that > distinction with tone, or other 'constant' signals"? I quote what I was taught. Back in the days of yore, fader laws were done with step contacts, and hgh-precision resistors. The law was not purely logarithmic.. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <705EEA80-3971-47BF-8D7E-5656775EF052 [at] andrewvance.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: we're getting old Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:54:52 -0500 On 13 Jun, 2005, at 17:29, David R. Krajec wrote: > You know you're getting old when you go back to your elementary > school and > it has been turned into a senior recreation center! My elementary school was the high school my dad and his siblings went to. While I was in high school, they tore it down and put up a senior living center on the site. My grandmother used to live on the land that eventually became this high school/elementary school, so they offered her an apartment for a substantial discount for PR purposes I'm sure. Being a polite but ornery 82 year old, she thanked them for the offer but told them she wouldn't be needing any assisted living arrangements for quite some time. My dad always jokes that he wasn't meant to go to school because every school he's attended doesn't exist anymore: the school district tore down his elementary school, his high school is now the aforementioned senior center, and his college had financial troubles years after he graduated and closed. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer www.andrewvance.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: advice on mounting a boom position Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:59:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'm looking for some sage advice as to how to mount a new boom position. I want to add two more boom positions in my house to complement the two that I already have in place. I am going to buy a pre-made boom (1 1/2" sched 40 black pipe) to mount on a wall. The boom will stand off the wall about 8 inches. The plate welded to the pipe has four holes. How should this mount to the cinderblock wall? Lead anchors, expansion anchors, old bubble gum? And as always, thanks! David K. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8e.293fcf41.2fdf6b01 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:04:33 EDT Subject: Re: Sound Levels? In a message dated 13/06/05 23:31:54 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > >Eh?!!! Just think about that statement. If the theatre management has turned > >the wick down, how the hell do you do 'louder'? Maybe you drive the > >compressor > >harder. If you think that this will make the sound you want the audience to > >hear, OK. > > You set the level "recorded" on the film higher. This is subject to engineering constraints. 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My chequer tolled me sew. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Hope everyone enjoys it. --=20 Michael Michael Powers 413-863-4376 home 413-522-3036 cell ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Sound Levels? Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:12:45 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: CB said... > If the AHJ sends a representative that doesn't know what the hell he is doing, my responsibility is to: first, my audience, second, the performers, third, the promoter, fourth, the house. The cop that is taking the complaint of a neighbor that moved into a business that is a block from an outdoor venue is down on my list. Especially if that neighbor is calling in a complaint about the band when the levels that I'm producing (at his house) are lower than those of an idling automobile. Which reminded me of the article in my newspaper today about the London Hyde Park Live 8 concert this year - a statement was boldly made that if you are to stand behind the stage you won't even know there's a concert on at all.... And that the speaker arrays would make it VERY difficult for the neighbours to actually be aware of the gig. I have no doubt that this may well be so, despite it being printed in a daily rag rather than a trade publication, but I was curious to know how this might be the case. Options? Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Sound Levels? Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: CB Said >I'd no more take advice on the mix from some janitor or house manager than Mr. Sapsis would about hanging a 20,000 lb. heavy thing. What was I to make of the guy that leaned over the console all red-faced and veins sticking out on his neck screaming at me that I don't know what I'm doing and "why is it so loud" and "this kind of music isn't supposed to be so loud"? What about when I noticed that he had a hearing aid in BOTH ears? Do I turn it down to match the levels of his hearing aid to the detriment of the entire rest of the audience and the levels set by their producer? Which then made me chuckle when I think of all the MD's we've had who think they can hear the balance of a mix to PA than the guy actually mixing it! The fact that they're in front of the stage surrounded by the cacophony of instrumental noise gives them NO credence in my book, and especially the major panto in January where we have the band on stilts above the SM's corner behind the prosc - that guy regularly turns up saying his headphone mix was sounding off! Then he comes out with crap like "My friend, sitting in row P seat 8, (who, by the way knows music and thus what he's talking about) tells me that the mix was off tonight - DO something about it please!" Needless to say he gets the (usually) polite comment that yes, we'll look at that in tomorrow's mix, feed him something different in the phones, and tell him to go away!! Ynot ------------------------------ Subject: RE: advice on mounting a boom position Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0930794A [at] danube.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" I'd go w/the bubble gum. :-) - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:56:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <42ADBAC3.31860.112C5DD9 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: I have been using a Pelican M6 LED for a year or so and am very happy with it. Another favorite is the Eternalight series from Tech Associates. Glowbug.com carries both, and a few others. > So now that I have lost (or maybe had stolen) my Scorpion flashlight, a > replacement is in order. Pity, I really liked its size and brightness Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Cc: jon [at] lagerquist.com Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: I have an inexpensive LED flashlight that really impresses me. It's made by "DORCY" but doesn't seem to have any model number on it. It's about the length of a maglite, but a bit larger diameter. Feels very solid, all metal body. I got it at Target and it cost in the ~$20 range. This thing is just unbelievably bright, runs on 3 AAA batteries. I was showing it to the guys on our crew and they were amazed since it was much brighter than all their expensive LED flashlights they bought on the web for a lot more money :-) [edit] Just Googled them. It's the top light on this web page: http://www.dorcy.com/1_watt_led.htm Have a look at your local Target, they actually have a variety of interesting and inexpensive flashlights there. | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:41:05 -0400 Subject: Re: advice on mounting a boom position From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'd go clear through the wall with a plate on the back side, ...if there is access. Steve > From: "Steven Haworth" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:20:14 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: advice on mounting a boom position > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'd go w/the bubble gum. :-) > > > - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) > --------------------------- > http://www.stagelights.info > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: advice on mounting a boom position Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu What is the wall material? -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of David R. Krajec Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 6:59 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: advice on mounting a boom position For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm looking for some sage advice as to how to mount a new boom position. I want to add two more boom positions in my house to complement the two = that I already have in place. I am going to buy a pre-made boom (1 1/2" = sched 40 black pipe) to mount on a wall. The boom will stand off the wall about = 8 inches. The plate welded to the pipe has four holes. How should this mount to the cinderblock wall? Lead anchors, expansion anchors, old bubble gum? And as always, thanks! David K. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <029101c5707e$93ff27d0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu References: Subject: Re: we're getting old Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:15:38 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Krajec" > You know you're getting old when you go back to your elementary school and > it has been turned into a senior recreation center! Is it all the same folks? Did anyone ever leave? ------------------------------ From: "Jared Fortney" Subject: Vermont electrician licensing Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:41:47 -0400 Message-ID: <42ae3601.0cdce613.76fe.ffffc81f [at] mx.gmail.com> A question to anyone working in VT as a stage electrician: I have been told that I may have to hire a licensed electrician to tie in my power at all my tour stops in the state of Vermont. Does anyone familiar with the Vermont state electrical code know this to be true? I'm running an 80KW genny, with limited power distribution, to an outdoor tent circus. Any of that make a difference? Any help on the subject would be appreciated, especially since our third build up takes place on the 4th of July. I don't really want to pay an electrician double time for something I can do myself. Thanks, -Jared Fortney Tech. Director Circus Smirkus Big Top Tour 2005 Phone: 802-533-7443 Fax: 802-533-2480 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050613222100.01d11678 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:21:51 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: we're getting old In-Reply-To: References: >You know you're getting old when you go back to your elementary school and >it has been turned into a senior recreation center! The worst is when you realize you're teaching your former students' children. --JLB ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: Sound Levels? Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:32:52 +0000 Message-Id: <061420050332.5543.42AE4FE40002BF61000015A721604666480E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> Well my favorite was " It's much too chilly in here, would you turn the air conditioning down?" Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony Deeming" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > CB Said > > >I'd no more take advice on the mix from some janitor or house manager than > Mr. Sapsis would about hanging a 20,000 lb. heavy thing. > What was I to make of the guy that leaned over the console all red-faced > and veins sticking out on his neck screaming at me that I don't know what > I'm doing and "why is it so loud" and "this kind of music isn't supposed to > be so loud"? What about when I noticed that he had a hearing aid in BOTH > ears? Do I turn it down to match the levels of his hearing aid to the > detriment of the entire rest of the audience and the levels set by their > producer? > > Which then made me chuckle when I think of all the MD's we've had who think > they can hear the balance of a mix to PA than the guy actually mixing it! > The fact that they're in front of the stage surrounded by the cacophony of > instrumental noise gives them NO credence in my book, and especially the > major panto in January where we have the band on stilts above the SM's > corner behind the prosc - that guy regularly turns up saying his headphone > mix was sounding off! Then he comes out with crap like "My friend, sitting > in row P seat 8, (who, by the way knows music and thus what he's talking > about) tells me that the mix was off tonight - DO something about it > please!" > Needless to say he gets the (usually) polite comment that yes, we'll look at > that in tomorrow's mix, feed him something different in the phones, and tell > him to go away!! > > Ynot > > ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: Sound Levels? Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:37:00 +0000 Message-Id: <061420050337.9300.42AE50DC000551150000245421604666480E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> Lord, I wish I could quote specifics; my recollection was that 2dB was what the sound mixers in Hollywood observed to be a noticeable change. Can't remember where it came from though... Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 13/06/05 20:34:21 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > > > >With this, I disagree strongly. BBC practice was to use 1dB increments as > > >imperceptible. > > > > *sigh* Here we go... > > Frank, see where it says that "3 dB is the smallest increment that is > > 'normally' perceived as a change in program material, 1 dB having that > > distinction with tone, or other 'constant' signals"? > > I quote what I was taught. > > Back in the days of yore, fader laws were done with step contacts, and > hgh-precision resistors. The law was not purely logarithmic.. > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:08:31 -0400 Subject: Re: audio cables From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 01:47 PM, Bill Schaffell wrote: > No matter how many times I tell teachers and the janitor not to coil > cables around their elbow or yank on connectors it happens. This can can take years. I had a school's AV guy it took me years to get him to not elbow his cords. I would not let him any where near my cords. But after a couple $$$.$$ in cord replacements he start getting it. > My question: Do we replace these cables with something of higher > quality that can take the abuse or stick the DJ quality and just > replace it more often? > I'm going to say this it's a "elementary school" how much money do you think you need to spend on sound but that being said don't spend more then $25 on a 25' Whirlwind premade mic cord. Seth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:30:08 -0400 Subject: Re: advice on mounting a boom position From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 06:59 PM, David R. Krajec wrote: > How should this mount to the cinderblock wall? Lead anchors, expansion > anchors, old bubble gum? > David, Thru Bolt with 3/4 rod with 2 Nuts and washers on top of the steel plates all the way thru the wall. I've gone thru a good 2'8" wall before getting to the out side. But as always with anything hanging in the house you should have a structural engineer sign off on the wall to say it will hold the extra weight of a 2 boom. And David don't take this personally, But if you don't know about how to anchor this boom maybe you should consider contracting this out to a professional installer that is insured for this type of job. Seth Richardson ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <64.571d1dc1.2fdfc16d [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:13:17 EDT Subject: Re: AOL workaround Ask which version of AOL he's using. When I'm on my Mac, it's an older machine and I run AOL 3.0. No HTML, and downloading attachemnts is iffy at best. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3483.64.28.63.170.1118728769.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Portable Lighting Consoles From: "Bill Nelson" >> I'm looking at an ETC Express 125, but I'd really like something >> smaller. We can probably do without the submaster/channel fader >> section of most consoles. If ETC still made the MicroVision, that >> would probably be perfect. The ETC Bijou 24/48 would be a relatively inexpensive and easy to use board. The cost is around $3500, if I recall correctly. There are at some features it lacks, but they are not critical. 1) No way to link an effect to a cue. But they can be built into submasters and run from there. 2) Effects are a bit tedious to build - there are not any built-in effects. 3) When modifying cues, you cannot grab a level with the fader handle and drag it to a lower level - as was possible on the Omega. But the channel can be assigned to the encoder wheel and the level reduced in that manner. The encoder wheel also allow proportional level changes for multiple channels at once. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005a01c570a7$4814a8d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Portable Lighting Consoles Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:07:02 -0700 > The ETC Bijou 24/48 would be a relatively inexpensive and easy to use > board. I'm sure it was a brain fart, but it's the EDI Bijou. :) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3495.64.28.63.170.1118729474.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sound Levels? From: "Bill Nelson" > Which reminded me of the article in my newspaper today about the London > Hyde > Park Live 8 concert this year - a statement was boldly made that if you > are > to stand behind the stage you won't even know there's a concert on at > all.... And that the speaker arrays would make it VERY difficult for the > neighbours to actually be aware of the gig. I have no doubt that this may > well be so, despite it being printed in a daily rag rather than a trade > publication, but I was curious to know how this might be the case. Personally, I think the claim is rubbish, even if there are no monitors for the performers. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:12:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Flashlight Replacement From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <543145FE-DC9B-11D9-9FEE-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net> I would look over the site below before choosing a new flashlight. Note the Nice part about the Scorpion LED it 50% time is 2hr 49min. Bright also. AND Scorpion LED with a Pila 168S rechargable cell, which can replace two 123A cells in some lights only 2hr run time Scorpion LED 4 1/2 Stars http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/streamlight_scorpionled.htm Surefire ELE 4 1/2 Stars Scorpion 4 Stars Pelican M6 LED 4 Stars Boyd, I really like the Dorcy light for $24 works with regular AAA battery's I may pick one up next trip to target. Thanks, for the point out. Dorcy 1 Watt LED Seth Richardson ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3552.64.28.63.170.1118734689.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Portable Lighting Consoles From: "Bill Nelson" >> The ETC Bijou 24/48 would be a relatively inexpensive and easy to use >> board. > > I'm sure it was a brain fart, but it's the EDI Bijou. :) Yep. Thanks for catching it. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:42:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Vermont electrician licensing From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4A1E01BF-DCB0-11D9-985A-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net> On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 09:41 PM, Jared Fortney wrote: > > A question to anyone working in VT as a stage electrician: > I have been told that I may have to hire a licensed electrician to tie=20= > in my > power at all my tour stops in the state of Vermont. Does anyone=20 > familiar > with the Vermont state electrical code know this to be true? I'm=20 > running an > 80KW genny, with limited power distribution, to an outdoor tent=20 > circus. Any > of that make a difference? Any help on the subject would be=20 > appreciated, > especially since our third build up takes place on the 4th of July. I=20= > don't > really want to pay an electrician double time for something I can do=20= > myself. > According to the State of Vermont ""Complex structure" shall have the=20 same meaning as the term "public building"" and ""Public buildings"=20 also mean tents and outdoor structures, places of amusement, barns, sheds and workshops, if normally open to the public for the purpose of=20= offering goods for sale at wholesale or retail, public assembly or=20 viewing, entertainment or education." But there are Exceptions (1) The construction, installation, operation, repair or maintenance of=20= electrical installations which are used by a public utility in=20 rendering its authorized service; nor to the installation, operation,=20 repair and wiring associated with telecommunication services and=20 equipment used for the transmission of information by electricity=20 regardless of the location of such electrical installations, equipment=20= or facilities. (2) Electrical installations in ships, pipeline systems, railway=20 rolling stock, automotive equipment, or portable sound equipment. (3) The manufacture, testing or repair of electrical equipment in the=20 plant of the manufacturer of the equipment. (4) The construction, repairs or maintenance of buildings used=20 exclusively for agricultural purposes on owner- occupied farms." Also the the genny will be out side of the tent and could be considered=20= not part of a "Complex structure" And if the genny was hooked with=20 cam tail or cam box would then be considered Stage power and as long as=20= you were to use feeder cable with the proper safety covering on the=20 path of the cable to a approved "Temporary Distro". I don't think you=20= should have a problem as long as you call it all "stage equipment" that=20= 5-- of the NEC would work (I can't find the NEC book to give number).=20 You can always claim that it's portable sound equipment if all else=20 fails (with a extra 79kw hooked to it) Seth Richardson Also may want to note the fees below you may have to pay "=A7 893. Commencement of work; fees; work notice; inspection of work;=20= certificate of completion (a) Electrical work in a complex structure shall not commence until a=20 work notice accompanied by the required fee is submitted to the=20 department and the work notice is validated by the department. In addition to the base fee, the following fees shall be charged: (1) Services (A) Temporary=97$30.00. (4) Other electrical work. (A) Each panel and feeder after the main disconnect=96$10.00. ( Outlets for receptacles, switches, fixtures, electric baseboard (per=20= 50 units or portion thereof)=96$20.00." ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:54:50 +0100 From: Tony Miller Reply-To: Tony Miller Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu Subject: Re: we're getting old In-Reply-To: References:

You know you are getting old when you send SMS messages in perfect English with proper grammar. CU Tony. On 6/13/05, David R. Krajec wrote: =20 > You know you're getting old when you go back to your elementary school an= d > it has been turned into a senior recreation center! ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #427 *****************************