Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23220514; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:01:05 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #434 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #434 1. Re: New Shop Tools by "Adam Godbout" 2. Re: Sound Levels? by Dorian Kelly 3. NEW TOOLS by b Ricie 4. Re: NEW TOOLS by "Johnson, Keith" 5. Re: NEW TOOLS by "Stephen E. Rees" 6. Re: NEW TOOLS by "Abby Downing" 7. "Les Mis" Flying Effect Followup by "Dana Taylor" 8. Re: New Shop Tools by Mike Katz 9. Re: Mackie trim by Jerry Durand 10. poplar vs. pine by "David R. Krajec" 11. Re: New Shop Tools by doran [at] bard.edu 12. Re: New Shop Tools by "Paul Guncheon" 13. Re: New Shop Tools by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Re: New Shop Tools by "Maurice Moe Conn" 15. An open invitation (slightly OT) by Greg Williams 16. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Bill Sapsis 17. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Bill Sapsis 18. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by IAEG [at] aol.com 19. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 20. Re: Vermont Stage Electrician Licensing by theatre safety programs 21. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Greg Williams 22. Re: Vermont Stage Electrician Licensing by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 23. Re: Mackie trim by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Greg Bierly 25. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Bill Sapsis 26. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "Maurice Moe Conn" 27. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 28. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Bill Sapsis 29. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Bill Sapsis 30. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 31. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "Maurice Moe Conn" 32. Color Scrollers by "Bill Nelson" 33. Re: NEW TOOLS by "Bill Nelson" 34. Re: NEW TOOLS by Greg Bierly 35. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Greg Bierly 36. Sorta OT: Health Insurance by andy [at] ducksechosound.com 37. Re: Sorta OT: Health Insurance by Mike Brubaker 38. Re: Sorta OT: Health Insurance by Mike Brubaker 39. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "Tony Deeming" 40. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by Tony Miller 41. Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <200506201111.j5KBBREZ016160 [at] relay16-159.bu.edu> Reply-To: From: "Adam Godbout" Cc: rebekkah [at] excite.com Subject: RE: New Shop Tools Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:11:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: I work at the Huntington Theatre Company which resides at Boston University theatre. We are in charge of the shop for both the Huntington = and BU. We also have many safety concerns here being in charge of so many students that use our equipment. Given that we have just recently bought = new shop equipment here. We have purchased so far a table saw and a band saw from Laguna tools in CA. We did quite a bit of research and the best = table saw we found for a reasonable price was the Laguna table saw. The best feature of this saw is that the blade splitter does not rise above the = blade height this allows you to do a blind cut without any modifications to = the safety equipment. This we all know is great for trying to keep the = safety equipment on the saw. The table saw also comes from the factory with a = side table and fence system that is as good as the Beismeyer system.=20 I know you are not planning on buying a band saw first but the band = saw system from Laguna tools is the best in our opinion. The guide blocks = are what make the difference. We have been able to resaw 20" high boards = without any blade wobble. This saw is simply amazing. Adam Godbout Associate Technical Director Huntington Theatre Company [at] Boston University Theatre adam [at] agodbout.com >>>Hello, I am looking for advice on some good quality table saws, radial arm saws, and other scene shop necessities. I recently accepted the design = and production professor position at Indiana University Southeast and upon inspection of the shop and its contents; I have found out that I need to replace a few things. The first two items on my hit list are the table = and radial arm saws due to safety concerns. =20 What is everyone using and how do you like them? I was looking at a Delta 10=14 unisaw for the table saw but would like some other brands to compare against. Thanks for your help. Rebekkah Meixner Indiana University Southeast ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:03:19 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Sound Levels? CB wrote..., >Just spray new Phase Cancellor on your upstage rags, and sound will >instantly be turned into heat! Liquid Freq-Stop on your fences will retard >the passage of any frequencies between 20 and 20K Hertz! Youre neighbors >won't even be aware of teh gig >I have a coupla Rolexes I have to get rid of cheap, too. See my e-bay page >quick, though, they're at $28 and will be going soon! Any idea where I can get some snake oil? I have a couple of noisy rattlers. I one had a director that had a theory that big empty boxes either side of the prosc, if 'tuned properly" would get rid of the noise of the scroller fans. Dorian ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050620133545.96668.qmail [at] web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: NEW TOOLS In-Reply-To: If ya can, rather than a new radial arm saw get a compound miter chop saw with a slide arm. That happened in one of the shops I work in and we have not missed the radial arm saw at all. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: NEW TOOLS Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:48:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2175145D8764B145B932DA9D45DE6C48899BE8 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Johnson, Keith" I agree, I dumped our radial arm saw, over 30 years old, and bought a = compound miter chop saw with a sliding arm. Much less money outlay, and = does the same job. So it doesn't seem to be as difficult keeping it in = square as the radial arm saw was! Keith Keith W. Johnson Associate Professor Designer/Technical Director EKU Theatre 306 Campbell Bldg. Eastern Kentucky University 521 Lancaster Ave. Richmond, KY 40475 phone:=A0859-622-1321 email: keith.johnson [at] eku.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of b Ricie Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:36 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: NEW TOOLS For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- If ya can, rather than a new radial arm saw get a compound miter chop saw with a slide arm. That happened in one of the shops I work in and we have not missed the radial arm saw at all. Brian Rice=20 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the=20 light." =09 ____________________________________________________=20 Yahoo! Sports=20 Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football=20 http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42B6CA14.4040908 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:52:20 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: NEW TOOLS References: I concur with this. As our 15 year old 16" Delta RAS starts to fade, even a really high end compound bevel slider at ~$600.00USD is a better deal and more practical for what we use it for. We have only used the $3500.00 RAS for ripping and other fun processes on less than five occasions. It is used 99.9999% of the time for cut offs. I do like the 24" width of cut, but I can get along w/o that for the efficiency of the miter saw. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia. b Ricie wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > If ya can, rather than a new radial arm saw get a > compound miter chop saw with a slide arm. That > happened in one of the shops I work in and we have not > missed the radial arm saw at all. > > > Brian Rice > 508-685-0716 > b_ricie [at] yahoo.com > "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the > light." > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: NEW TOOLS Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:58:39 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA2A0650 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" I do little if any woodworking- but came across this product from = another website I belong to. I could see where it would be extremely = beneficial in an educational setting- though I imagine the price is = astronomical. Check out sawstop: www.sawstop.com Abby -----Original Message----- From: Johnson, Keith [mailto:Keith.Johnson [at] EKU.EDU]=20 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:48 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: NEW TOOLS For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I agree, I dumped our radial arm saw, over 30 years old, and bought a = compound miter chop saw with a sliding arm. Much less money outlay, and = does the same job. So it doesn't seem to be as difficult keeping it in = square as the radial arm saw was! Keith Keith W. Johnson Associate Professor Designer/Technical Director EKU Theatre 306 Campbell Bldg. Eastern Kentucky University 521 Lancaster Ave. Richmond, KY 40475 phone:=A0859-622-1321 email: keith.johnson [at] eku.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of b Ricie Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:36 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: NEW TOOLS For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- If ya can, rather than a new radial arm saw get a compound miter chop saw with a slide arm. That happened in one of the shops I work in and we have not missed the radial arm saw at all. Brian Rice=20 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the=20 light." =09 ____________________________________________________=20 Yahoo! Sports=20 Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football=20 http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:35:47 -0500 From: "Dana Taylor" Subject: "Les Mis" Flying Effect Followup Hello: I want to thank all who responded to my question in regard to the safety = of flying the character of Javert. The director has changed her mind having accepted the fact that the effect = is beyond our capabilities. Thank you for your input. Now if I can only convince her that real muskets = aren't really necessary. (that was a joke) Thanks again, Dana Dana W. Taylor Mt. Vernon Sr. High School 812.838.4356 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:22:51 -0400 From: Mike Katz Subject: Re: New Shop Tools Rebekkah Depending on your budget and the size of your=20 productions and shop, I would suggest losing the=20 Unisaw in favor of a good contractors saw perhaps=20 with a handy 50" fence system . The Unisaw can=20 work 24/7 and create cabinet quality cuts day in=20 and out, but that is not what most of us do in=20 our shops. I would buy a consumer quality Radial=20 arm saw over a chop saw as my first saw, The 16"=20 to 20" of cut make it a better deal in my mind=20 than a 12" max cut on a chop saw. I say this=20 even though I, like most of us, only use the saw=20 as a cut off saw, go for the capacity. Get a=20 compound cutting miter saw as a second saw. Mine=20 shares a fence and cutting bench with the radial=20 arm saw. I would use some of the money you have=20 saved for a radial drill press that is a great=20 tool in a scene shop as well as an 18 " bandsaw.=20 I have found Jet and Rigid tools to be good=20 performers in the high end consumer level of=20 tools. I would love to have but can not justify=20 the industrial tier tools. Finally buy 5hp or=20 larger compressor (single stage is fine) and a=20 collection of a framing nail gun, a finish nail=20 gun, a brad gun, a framing stapler, a finish=20 stapler and a upholstery stapler. Mike >snip > I am looking for advice on some good quality=20 >table saws, radial arm saws, and other scene=20 >shop necessities. I recently accepted the=20 >design and production professor position at=20 >Indiana University Southeast and upon inspection=20 >of the shop and its contents; I have found out=20 >that I need to replace a few things. The first=20 >two items on my hit list are the table and=20 >radial arm saws due to safety concerns. > What is everyone using and how do you like=20 >them? I was looking at a Delta 10=EE unisaw for=20 >the table saw but would like some other brands=20 >to compare against. Thanks for your help. -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts Rinaldi Tile Building 77 Mass Ave E33-101 Cambridge MA 02139 617.253.0824 mkatz [at] mit.edu "Lunacy Abounds" ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620082553.029c3918 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:34:52 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Mackie trim In-Reply-To: References:

At 05:58 PM 6/19/2005, you wrote: >In your given scenario of needing four stereo and two mono (a total of 10 >channels by my calculations) a simple computer running SFX with an M-Audio >Firewire 410 attached could tackle this with no problems. As an example, when I was designing the first PC sound boards* we were able to run close to 100 channels on a '286 machine with a custom-formatted hard disk. When we went to Windows on faster computers, the number of channels went WAY down. My current sound board project is 2048 channels (6U board in cPCI chassis). Cheap at only about $10/channel! ... *These were telecom boards, I couldn't convince anyone at the time (early 1980's) that a stand-alone record/playback board would sell. I did set one up on an Apple ][ at a convention and made the front page of the San Jose Mercury, but still no interest. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: poplar vs. pine Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:52:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: According to the Michigan Lumber Company, "Yellow Poplar is harder and more dent resistant than most pines." The Milwaukee Repertory Theatre builds most of their scenery from clear poplar. When they close a show, I'm there by the dumpster to grab anything they throw away. A lot of it is still good lumber and useable pieces. I have several window and door units in stock and I've used them on a number of occasions. Not only do they build good stuff, they use good stuff to start with. David K. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1119281926.42b6e3065550a [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:38:46 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Cc: rebekkah [at] excite.com Subject: Re: New Shop Tools References: In-Reply-To: Rebekkah, I like the Unisaw, complete with the Biesmeier T-Square 50" fence. You can get one new for about $1600-$1800. My personal preference, though, is to go with the left-tilt model. The Powermatic 66 is great, too, and their standard is left-tilt. It's a little bit more expensive, but it's a very good saw. We also have a Shop Fox rolling tool base with a table extension, and I really dig that as well. As far as the Radial Arm saw goes, I, too, prefer the Sliding Compound Miter Saw. It's safer, and easier to keep accurate than the Radial Arm saw. The DeWalt DW708 comes in at about $600, and it'll cross-cut to a little better than 11" at 90 degrees. Their adjustable DW723 Miter Saw Stand goes for an additional $200. What it won't do is rip stock, but that's what you have a tablesaw for. Look at the tool tests and reviews in Fine Woodworking, Fine Homebuilding, and American Woodworker Magazines. They do a really good job of comparing apples to apples, and they will also explain the oranges. Whichever saws you end up with, get the right blade for the cutting applications. A lot of good tools have been misused by employing the wrong blade for the job. Freud and Forrest make some pretty good blades, and their are others that will do a fine job, but the right blade for the work makes all the difference. It's up to your budget and needs, but like anything else, buy the best you can afford, and you'll be happier in the long run. Good Luck, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Quoting Rebekkah Meixner : > I am looking for advice on some good quality table saws, radial arm saws, > and other scene shop necessities. I was looking at a Delta > 10� unisaw for the table saw but would like some other brands to compare > against. Thanks for your help. > Rebekkah Meixner > Indiana University Southeast ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:07:32 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: New Shop Tools Message-id: <010601c575ba$8cf5c110$f73e4104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> The Unisaw is a good one. I like the Biesemeier (sp?) fence. they used to make an 8' unit which was fabulous. I also really liked the Powermatic 12" table saw. Instead of the radial arm saw, check out the DeWalt 12" dual bevel sliding miter saw. Although both would be nice, if I had a choice of one or the other, the sliding miter unit would be my choice... way more useful. I haven't done much looking but I don't think there are many radial arm saws out there. Delta makes a 12" and Craftsman has a few models, but then I don't recommend any Craftsman tool with a cord. Side note: I purchased a Craftsman 1-1/2" paddle bit (Speed-bor, spade bit... whatever) that fit into my hex shank snap in chuck that I have on all my drills and screwguns. The first time I used it, the hex shank snapped at the indent where the chuck grabs it. When I took it back for exchange (it did say "Craftsman" after all) I met quite a bit of resistance as the clerk claimed that it was a "power tool accessory" and therefore not covered by the return policy. I persisted, and avoiding the term "bullshit", and convinced the store manager that it should be replaced due to a manufacturer's defect. Laters, Paul "I like Germany," was Tom's gut reaction. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: New Shop Tools Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C855 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Instead of the radial arm saw, check out the DeWalt 12" dual=20 > bevel sliding miter saw. Although both would be nice, if I=20 > had a choice of one or the other, the sliding miter unit=20 > would be my choice... way more useful. Others have chimed in, but considering the additional weight a few more "me toos" might have, I've gotta add a "me too" to this one. I am stuck with a radial arm now after five years of having one of the aforementioned DeWalts, and I'm sooooo keen on trying to find the necessary $600 in this year's budget that I can't even describe it. Table-saw-wise, I'm really liking the Jet we have here. Out of all the fences I've worked with, it's the most rock-solid bar none. > "I like Germany," was Tom's gut reaction. Ouch. =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: New Shop Tools Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:21:26 +0000 HI all, I have to agree too! Get the dual bevel sliding chop saw. The Dewalt can even be set-up to handle half laps if you have a need to do so. I gave the art Dept. my radial arm saw last year and have never looked back. Moe Maurice "Moe" Conn Designer/Technical Director Kohn Theatre University of the Cumberlands 606-539-4520 mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu We're at it again: Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html A Charity ride to help raise money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:30:58 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: An open invitation (slightly OT) Message-id: <5a4c5530e76f2e501e7b2e363edf6288 [at] appstate.edu> Hello Fellow List'ers, The Long Reach Long Riders would like to extend an invitation to any of you in the areas we're traveling through to join us for a meal or frosty beverage. We'll be at The Black Rooster Pub in Washington DC on 1919 L ST NW on Saturday, June 25th, beginning at 7pm for the "kick-off extravaganza" We'll be in Lexington KY on the evening of Sunday, June 26th, at the Holiday Inn North, and eating at the Post Restaurant, attached to the hotel, around 7 or 7:30 (almost all supper times will be 7-ish local time) We'll be in Columbia MO on Monday, June 27th, staying at the Best Value Inn, and eating supper at Golden Corral Tuesday, June 28th, we'll be in Hays, KS, staying at Fairfield Inn, and again eating at Golden Corral Wednesday, June 29th, we'll be in Scottsbluff, NE, staying at The Candlelight Inn, and eating at Whiskey Creek, across the street from the hotel. We'll also be attending a performance that night at the local theatre, so we may be eating a bit early that evening. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, we'll be at the Fair Value Inn in Rapid City, SD, (exit 59) If anyone would like to join us for an evening or even a day of riding in your area, we'd love to see you. Send any of us (me, Bill Sapsis, Loren Schreiber, Wayne Rasmussen, Cris Dopher, Moe Conn... hmmm... any others on this list?) an e-mail off-list and we'll get phone #'s to you. Thanks for everyone's support! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:54:34 -0400 Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey Greg, Don't forget that we're stopping in Lawrence, KS on the 28th to have lunch with my daughter, Jordan (the one who got arrested protesting at the RNC last year in NYC, remember?). Anyone who wants to watch me embarrass her by signing happy birthday to her (20th) should come on over. I have no idea where we will be eating but it will be downtown Lawrence which is, what? 2 blocks long. Look for the rowdies with the motorcycles. Be well Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.2778.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS On 6/20/05 1:30 PM, "Greg Williams" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello Fellow List'ers, > > The Long Reach Long Riders would like to extend an invitation to any of > you in the areas we're traveling through to join us for a meal or > frosty beverage. > > We'll be at The Black Rooster Pub in Washington DC on 1919 L ST NW on > Saturday, June 25th, beginning at 7pm for the "kick-off extravaganza" > We'll be in Lexington KY on the evening of Sunday, June 26th, at the > Holiday Inn North, and eating at the Post Restaurant, attached to the > hotel, around 7 or 7:30 (almost all supper times will be 7-ish local > time) > We'll be in Columbia MO on Monday, June 27th, staying at the Best Value > Inn, and eating supper at Golden Corral > Tuesday, June 28th, we'll be in Hays, KS, staying at Fairfield Inn, and > again eating at Golden Corral > Wednesday, June 29th, we'll be in Scottsbluff, NE, staying at The > Candlelight Inn, and eating at Whiskey Creek, across the street from > the hotel. We'll also be attending a performance that night at the > local theatre, so we may be eating a bit early that evening. > Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, we'll be at the Fair Value Inn in Rapid > City, SD, (exit 59) > > If anyone would like to join us for an evening or even a day of riding > in your area, we'd love to see you. > > Send any of us (me, Bill Sapsis, Loren Schreiber, Wayne Rasmussen, Cris > Dopher, Moe Conn... hmmm... any others on this list?) an e-mail > off-list and we'll get phone #'s to you. > > Thanks for everyone's support! > > -=Greg Williams=- > Production Manager > Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University > ------We're at it again!!!------ > Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for > BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:14:05 -0400 Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Haruuumph. I meant singing, not signing. My signing skills are even worse than my singing ones. Sigh Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.2778.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS On 6/20/05 1:54 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Greg, Don't forget that we're stopping in Lawrence, KS on the 28th to > have lunch with my daughter, Jordan (the one who got arrested protesting at > the RNC last year in NYC, remember?). Anyone who wants to watch me > embarrass her by signing happy birthday to her (20th) should come on over. > I have no idea where we will be eating but it will be downtown Lawrence > which is, what? 2 blocks long. Look for the rowdies with the motorcycles. > > Be well > Bill S. > > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.2778.4561 mobile > > Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway > Cares/Equity Fights AIDS > > > > > On 6/20/05 1:30 PM, "Greg Williams" wrote: ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <192.424cf667.2fe861c7 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:15:35 EDT Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) In a message dated 6/20/05 2:10:46 PM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << My signing skills are even worse than my singing ones. >> but easier to listen to perhaps ? very best, Keith ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:34:22 GMT Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) Message-Id: <20050620.113442.1930.162619 [at] webmail32.lax.untd.com> Hmmm... How about someone capturing this sound byte digitally, and then transferring the resulting audio file to the LRLR website along with a picture of the occasion, including a 'reaction shot' of his daughter? /s/ Richard > Anyone who wants to watch me embarrass her by signing happy birthday > to her (20th) should come on over. > Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050620113813.01f41fa8 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:43:02 -0700 From: theatre safety programs Subject: re: Vermont Stage Electrician Licensing This is from a Vermont attorney who also has experience with entertainment industry cases, who researched it. "I spoke to my neighbor who used to own an electrical contracting business here in Vermont. He said that it was his understanding that any commercial event or application would require the use of a licensed electrician." Jerry Gorrell A question to anyone working in VT as a stage electrician: I have been told that I may have to hire a licensed electrician to tie in my power at all my tour stops in the state of Vermont. Does anyone familiar with the Vermont state electrical code know this to be true? I'm running an 80KW genny, with limited power distribution, to an outdoor tent circus. Any of that make a difference? Any help on the subject would be appreciated, especially since our third build up takes place on the 4th of July. I don't really want to pay an electrician double time for something I can do myself. Thanks, -Jared Fortney Tech. Director Circus Smirkus Big Top Tour 2005 Phone: 802-533-7443 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:55:07 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) In-reply-to: Message-id: <8471141c84ef878f2e4e955cd9f68c5a [at] appstate.edu> References: On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Hey Greg, Don't forget that we're stopping in Lawrence, KS on the 28th > to > have lunch with my daughter, Jordan Uhmmm... I didn't forget... nope not me... She, ah, she, ... she _bribed_ me not to mention it, that's what it was. She doesn't want to add to the trauma of her father singing (or signing) to her! By the way, Richard, I'm sure pix and possibly a sound bite could be on the website by that evening! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:10:45 GMT Subject: Re: Vermont Stage Electrician Licensing Message-Id: <20050620.121126.1930.163105 [at] webmail32.lax.untd.com> Dear Jared, I do not have a copy of the Vermont statute that you are referring to, but you said that you are plugging into a generator to which you have exclusive control, presumably with UL-listed Camlocks or equivalent listed devices, and NOT to any energy source supplied or regulated by the State of Vermont or by any local utility. Are you sure that your actions fall within the scope of the statute, particularly if there are no tools involved, except possibly tools used in conjunction with the placement of, and attachment to, a Grounding Rod? /s/ Richard ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.3f244419.2fe8a5c4 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:05:40 EDT Subject: Re: Mackie trim In a message dated 20/06/05 01:59:18 GMT Daylight Time, adam [at] fitchtech.net writes: > Depends on what you are using sound for. If all you are doing is cue > playback it isn't much more than pressing GO these days, regardless of > how many simultaneous cues you have going at a time. In your given > scenario of needing four stereo and two mono (a total of 10 channels by > my calculations) a simple computer running SFX with an M-Audio Firewire > 410 attached could tackle this with no problems. But, obviously, if one > is having to mix microphones then this cannot be replaced by a computer > any more than a lighting board programmer can be. No microphones, just cue playback. But it's not as simple as you make out. Constant seawash, Two different motor vehicles arriving and departing, footsteps on shingle, all located on an arena stage, and from accurately located speakers. A visible cassette playback, with the machine on stage, and bathroom noises. That's just Acts I and II. Act III is really interesting. A concert hall. A string quartet comes to an end, on a notional stage. Applause, and then interval ambience, dipped for dialogue. Interval bells, and 'audience sitting down' ambience, Tuning up, and then another string quartet, to play the show out. The point is that there is always a background effect, over which various spot effects may be played in, each through a different speaker or speaker pair. Maybe the gear you suggest would do this. I don't know, and it was back in the days of analogue sources. But I doubt it. The show was Ariel Dorfman's "The -------- Quartet" (I can never remember the title, but it's Schubert). Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <44242bfe807c38c7b0720718b284a331 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:00:00 -0400 > I meant singing, not signing. I was going to make a wisecrack but I didn't want to look non-PC and insensitive in case your daughter was hearing impaired. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:16:58 -0400 Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yet another class act member of the Stagecraft Mailing list. This really is one hell of a group. No, she's not hearing impaired, except when she was younger, of course, and I wanted her to clean her room. She used to be able to sign pretty well but I don't know if she kept it up. Thanks Be well Bill www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.2778.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS On 6/20/05 9:00 PM, "Greg Bierly" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I meant singing, not signing. > > I was going to make a wisecrack but I didn't want to look non-PC and > insensitive in case your daughter was hearing impaired. > > > Greg Bierly > Technical Director > Hempfield HS > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Cc: lrlr [at] sapsis-rigging.com Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:25:20 +0000 Correction... We will be eating dinner in Columbia MO at the Outback Steak House...Geez Guys you should consult the Food Guy before you Blindly invite people to dinner. Moe Maurice "Moe" Conn Designer/Technical Director Kohn Theatre University of the Cumberlands 606-539-4520 mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu We're at it again: Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html A Charity ride to help raise money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS >From: Bill Sapsis >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:16:58 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Yet another class act member of the Stagecraft Mailing list. This really >is >one hell of a group. > >No, she's not hearing impaired, except when she was younger, of course, and >I wanted her to clean her room. She used to be able to sign pretty well >but >I don't know if she kept it up. > >Thanks >Be well >Bill >www.sapsis-rigging.com >800.727.7471 >800.292.3851 fax >267.2778.4561 mobile > >Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway >Cares/Equity Fights AIDS > > > > >On 6/20/05 9:00 PM, "Greg Bierly" wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> I meant singing, not signing. > > > > I was going to make a wisecrack but I didn't want to look non-PC and > > insensitive in case your daughter was hearing impaired. > > > > > > Greg Bierly > > Technical Director > > Hempfield HS > > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c57602$124a2b70$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > We will be eating dinner in Columbia MO at the Outback Steak > House...Geez You're going to Columbia, MO -- home of Shakespeare's Pizza (the best pizza on earth) -- and you're eating at a chain restaurant? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:50:47 -0400 Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. So maybe I'm obsessing here a bit but, knowing how posts sometimes get misinterpreted....I read the last post and I want to make sure that Greg knows I was complimenting him. I appreciated his sensitivity. Thanks Bill www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.2778.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS On 6/20/05 9:16 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Yet another class act member of the Stagecraft Mailing list. This really is > one hell of a group. > > No, she's not hearing impaired, except when she was younger, of course, and > I wanted her to clean her room. She used to be able to sign pretty well but > I don't know if she kept it up. > > Thanks > Be well > Bill > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.2778.4561 mobile > > Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway > Cares/Equity Fights AIDS > > > > > On 6/20/05 9:00 PM, "Greg Bierly" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> I meant singing, not signing. >> >> I was going to make a wisecrack but I didn't want to look non-PC and >> insensitive in case your daughter was hearing impaired. >> >> >> Greg Bierly >> Technical Director >> Hempfield HS >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:54:08 -0400 Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hmmm. Maybe not. Tell me more about this Shakespeare's place. Bill (I've gotta get some work done sometime tonight) S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.2778.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS On 6/20/05 9:39 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > You're going to Columbia, MO -- home of Shakespeare's Pizza (the best pizza > on earth) -- and you're eating at a chain restaurant? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:55:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c57604$55f455b0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Hmmm. Maybe not. Tell me more about this Shakespeare's=20 > place. A crust that's substantial enough to grab hold of without being doughy = and mushy. Ingredients that are 100% fresh. Each pie made to order. Of course, I haven't been in Columbia since 1999, but Shakespeare's = Pizza -- if they're still there (and whoever heard of a pizza place in a college = town going out of business?) -- is worth going back for. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:02:02 +0000 Well, If Shakespere's will feed us wayward folks and no cost that would be fine by me, however, I have talked to more Coorprate offices and eateries, that I can count and the places we will be hitting have offered the right price. If any of you fine folk eat at any of the eateries we will be gracing with our presence, be sure to thank them for supporting th LRLR's. If you want to know what those are places are and where, go to the website and look at the sponsor page or the message board under food and thanks. Moe We're at it again: Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html A Charity ride to help raise money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS >From: Bill Sapsis >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:54:08 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hmmm. Maybe not. Tell me more about this Shakespeare's place. >Bill (I've gotta get some work done sometime tonight) S. >www.sapsis-rigging.com >800.727.7471 >800.292.3851 fax >267.2778.4561 mobile > >Please support the Long Reach Long Riders benefit ride for Broadway >Cares/Equity Fights AIDS > > > > >On 6/20/05 9:39 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" >wrote: > > > You're going to Columbia, MO -- home of Shakespeare's Pizza (the best >pizza > > on earth) -- and you're eating at a chain restaurant? > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4852.64.28.54.241.1119319840.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Color Scrollers From: "Bill Nelson" I bought some used DMX Color Rangers recently, but have been unable to locate the manual. I know that some scrollers have switch options for fan speed, but don't know if these do. I managed to figure out the addressing, and the internal settings seem to work with our Bijou board. But it sure would be nice if I could slow down the fans. Does anyone have an on-line copy of the manual? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4856.64.28.54.241.1119320312.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: NEW TOOLS From: "Bill Nelson" > I agree, I dumped our radial arm saw, over 30 years old, and bought a > compound miter chop saw with a sliding arm. Much less money outlay, and > does the same job. So it doesn't seem to be as difficult keeping it in > square as the radial arm saw was! If you don't need the sliding arm feature, get a regular chop saw. The cuts will be more precise. Some chop saws will rotate 90 degrees to do rip cuts like a radial arm saw and some won't. But I prefer to do rips on a table saw, so don't consider that to be any big loss. One recent purchase which I really appreciate is the panel saw. It is far safer than the table saw for cutting up large panels. If I need precision, I make rough cuts with the panel saw, then make final cuts on the easier to manage pieces using the table saw. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: NEW TOOLS Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:36:43 -0400 > One recent purchase which I really appreciate is the panel saw. It is > far > safer than the table saw for cutting up large panels. If I need > precision, > I make rough cuts with the panel saw, then make final cuts on the > easier > to manage pieces using the table saw I bought a cheap one too and it has been wonderful. I don't like the measuring guide on it (I don't remember the model, it is the cheapest one on toolcrib.com) but it is waaay safer than students trying to cut 4x8 sheet goods than on a table saw. If you don't have the space toolcrib's (Amazon.com company) has a $89 portable panel saw that is awesome. It is not quite as nice a true panel saw but it cuts a straight line at any angle every time as long as you take the extra few seconds to line it up properly. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:42:35 -0400 > I want to make sure that Greg knows I was complimenting him. Aw shucks Bill, I knew what you meant. I am touched..... (so what big job do you need me two work in Lancaster next week?) ;-) Seriously thanks for the compliment and I too feel this list has one hell of a bunch of great professionals (and I am including all you theater amateurs and hobbyists in that group also) Keep up the nice work everyone. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3167.204.210.108.77.1119322661.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sorta OT: Health Insurance From: andy [at] ducksechosound.com Hey gang, I'm about to wrap up a tour that happened to offer quite a nice health plan as one of its benefits. Seeing as I will be uninsured very shortly, I'm looking for any advice anybody might have on reasonable health coverage for a mid-20s touring sound guy type, particularly since I'll be between tours (read "bouncing between freelance gigs and/or unemployment for at least a month or two). Is there anything available through IA (all my paperwork sans my card and travelling card went home to NJ since I joined while I was on the road having come onto this tour as a mid-tour [well, week #3, but...] replacement, so I have no idea if there was any info on that sort of thing in any of the various literature I received when I became a member)? On a related note, if anybody knows of any openings for a sound guy on tour or in NY, NJ, Chicago, Vegas, or Boise (don't ask), drop me a line! Looks like another year where a lot of the producers are cutting back on number of tours, so right now pickings are slim as far as I've been finding :o1 Best, and thanks in advance, Andy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050620224408.01e12758 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:45:50 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Sorta OT: Health Insurance In-Reply-To: References: You should have COBRA coverage available for 12 months. This is a continuation of your current insurance through that employer--however, you pay the full premium. That is probably your best bet. Mike At 09:57 PM 6/20/2005, andy [at] ducksechosound.com wrote: >I'm about to wrap up a tour that happened to offer quite a nice health >plan as one of its benefits. Seeing as I will be uninsured very shortly, ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050620224750.01df8fb8 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:50:05 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Sorta OT: Health Insurance In-Reply-To: References: Caveats: your employer had to have at least 20, I think, employees for this federal law to apply. The continuation time period is 18 months. If you are eligible, you should have received notice. Mike At 10:45 PM 6/20/2005, Mike Brubaker wrote: >You should have COBRA coverage available for 12 months. This is a >continuation of your current insurance through that employer--however, you >pay the full premium. That is probably your best bet. > >Mike > >At 09:57 PM 6/20/2005, andy [at] ducksechosound.com wrote: > >>I'm about to wrap up a tour that happened to offer quite a nice health >>plan as one of its benefits. Seeing as I will be uninsured very shortly, ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:49:12 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Hmmm. Maybe not. Tell me more about this Shakespeare's > place. A crust that's substantial enough to grab hold of without being doughy and mushy. Ingredients that are 100% fresh. Each pie made to order. Of course, I haven't been in Columbia since 1999, but Shakespeare's Pizza -- if they're still there (and whoever heard of a pizza place in a college town going out of business?) -- is worth going back for. This sounds very much like Salvo's Pizzeria in Leeds (University city) in Yorkshire, UK. 20 years or so ago when my wife was at uni we were regulars there (I used to sorta, well, 'pop up' for the odd weekend or 3 every month!!) and you sometimes queued for 2 hours to get in BUT the food and the atmosphere were magic. IIRC the kitchen was a three quarter open sided counter where the pizza chefs made and tossed the pies whilst singing loudly in Italian (obviously) tenor voices. Not been back in 15 years, but I'd expect it's still there. Hang on - yup - quick Google finds them - http://www.salvos.co.uk/. Anyone (UK) been there lately?? Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:10:28 +0100 From: Tony Miller Reply-To: Tony Miller Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: References: As it happens Salvo's is 5 minutes walk from my house. It's still going strong, in fact it's going from strength to strength having recently opened a deli and cafe 2 doors away. The restaurant is as good as ever and you still have to queue but I eat there regularily the last time being at the weekend. The same family is running it but now the son has taken over. Ciao Tony Miller. On 6/21/05, Tony Deeming wrote: > This sounds very much like Salvo's Pizzeria in Leeds (University city) in > Yorkshire, UK. >=20 > 20 years or so ago when my wife was at uni we were regulars there (I used= to > sorta, well, 'pop up' for the odd weekend or 3 every month!!) and you > sometimes queued for 2 hours to get in BUT the food and the atmosphere we= re > magic. IIRC the kitchen was a three quarter open sided counter where the > pizza chefs made and tossed the pies whilst singing loudly in Italian > (obviously) tenor voices. >=20 > Not been back in 15 years, but I'd expect it's still there. Hang on - yup= - > quick Google finds them - http://www.salvos.co.uk/. >=20 > Anyone (UK) been there lately?? >=20 > Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: tonymille [at] gmail.com (Tony Miller) Subject: RE: An open invitation (slightly OT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:32:13 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Tony Miller Sent: 21 June 2005 10:10 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: An open invitation (slightly OT) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- As it happens Salvo's is 5 minutes walk from my house. It's still going strong, in fact it's going from strength to strength having recently opened a deli and cafe 2 doors away. The restaurant is as good as ever and you still have to queue but I eat there regularily the last time being at the weekend. The same family is running it but now the son has taken over. Ciao Tony Miller. EXCELLENT news! Some of my wife's family live near Ripon, and we have a caravan (US + trailer!) on their farm where we stop for weekend breaks and though we always say we fancy popping into Leeds for a bit of reminiscence (Salvo's being a BIG part of that!) we've not yet managed it. One day.... Maybe....... Ynot ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #434 *****************************